ACC making faster bikes easier to own!

[OnCam]

Hi guys n girls,

have been thinking over the last couple of days, where id like to progress with motorcycle ownership in the next year or two. ive based my thoughts around sportbikes but you can apply the ideas to your personal steed category

im currently riding a zx6r 636cc ive been categorised into the upper ACC price category
(hella dangerous! :Punk:)..

All of us are affected by this classification, win or lose the price goes up, but the classification purely on the cc rating is going to have in my mind a bigger effect than just a difference in rego prices.

In terms of an already struggeling bike market from the recent recovering recession, this is going to take its toll on so many more bikers financially, more than it already has..

a few storys recently of people having no choice but to sell their pride an joy, 1000cc gsxr special editions and bikes that many have owned with so much pride and respect, work their life to afford and go through the 3 year licence process to finally obtain legalisation to ride!.

To be forced out of the already expensive game by a further increase in acc costs is a sad way to end the passion for what some live for every day, every weekend, every km of road...

With the impact of cc classification on the bike market im predicting a lot of CHEAPER 1000cc bikes, 750s, 675 daytonas and 636 ninjas etc, with people opting to settle for the 599cc to keep costs minimal (gsxr600, R6, new ZX6 cbr600) which are all awesome bikes, and i feel will hold their value in the 2nd hand market with more demand.

In once sence bigger faster bikes will be more easy to obtain, alot more to choose from on the 2nd hand market, possibly some bargains as dealers try to flick off old stock in the new year, quite alot of people will buy on impulse with worrying about the rego costs later, or if you break the costs down throughout the year its not overly expensive if your only means of travel, still a relatively cheap hobbie for the level of fun and overall personal satisfaction (cheaper than being a smoker and better for you for sure..)

the other hand 599cc market and below will strive, alot of people believe you dont need anything more than a 600 on NZ roads and todays examples are nothing to be laughed at, for sure the 675 750 and the supersports + extra have their benefits but are they worth the extra money come rego time?

with the increased avaliability of faster higher cc bikes for a nice price, will we see more people stepping into one for the overall ability these machines have, 2up, trackdays, around town, touring, fast riding?

if you pick one up for a huge saving price wise (say 3-4k under retail price), that gives you a few solid years even paying the full rego price before you feel hard done by..

would like to hear your input, obviously what ive said is open for discussion, its just what ive been thinking about and is no way set in stone,

hope it brings some valued ideas and discussion.. cheers

[danchop]

the difference from owning a 125cc from a 1000cc is just over $100,will it impact your thinking that much?

[Blinkwing]

the difference from owning a 125cc from a 1000cc is just over $100,will it impact your thinking that much?

Not really, because if you can afford a nice 600++ bike, $125 will most likely be worth it just to ride that one bike.

People with more than one bike will be impacted more, is what I guess.

[McDuck]

Not really, because if you can afford a nice 600++ bike, $125 will most likely be worth it just to ride that one bike.

People with more than one bike will be impacted more, is what I guess.

Yep my plan was to have (eventually) and arm chair bike and a crotch rocket but now i will only be having one.... but ti should be a nice one...

[neels]

For $100 a year I don't think most people will be that bothered, it's either really expensive or slightly more really expensive.

I'm currently on 599cc but looking at heading upwards, I figure the extra $2 a week is worth it.

[miloking]

Yep my plan was to have (eventually) and arm chair bike and a crotch rocket but now i will only be having one.... but ti should be a nice one...

My grandma says "crotch rocket" haha...any self respecting biker would not call sport bike crotch rocket...

[miloking]

Hi guys n girls,

have been thinking over the last couple of days, where id like to progress with motorcycle ownership in the next year or two. ive based my thoughts around sportbikes but you can apply the ideas to your personal steed category

im currently riding a zx6r 636cc ive been categorised into the upper ACC price category
(hella dangerous! :Punk:)..

All of us are affected by this classification, win or lose the price goes up, but the classification purely on the cc rating is going to have in my mind a bigger effect than just a difference in rego prices.

In terms of an already struggeling bike market from the recent recovering recession, this is going to take its toll on so many more bikers financially, more than it already has..

a few storys recently of people having no choice but to sell their pride an joy, 1000cc gsxr special editions and bikes that many have owned with so much pride and respect, work their life to afford and go through the 3 year licence process to finally obtain legalisation to ride!.

To be forced out of the already expensive game by a further increase in acc costs is a sad way to end the passion for what some live for every day, every weekend, every km of road...

With the impact of cc classification on the bike market im predicting a lot of CHEAPER 1000cc bikes, 750s, 675 daytonas and 636 ninjas etc, with people opting to settle for the 599cc to keep costs minimal (gsxr600, R6, new ZX6 cbr600) which are all awesome bikes, and i feel will hold their value in the 2nd hand market with more demand.

In once sence bigger faster bikes will be more easy to obtain, alot more to choose from on the 2nd hand market, possibly some bargains as dealers try to flick off old stock in the new year, quite alot of people will buy on impulse with worrying about the rego costs later, or if you break the costs down throughout the year its not overly expensive if your only means of travel, still a relatively cheap hobbie for the level of fun and overall personal satisfaction (cheaper than being a smoker and better for you for sure..)

the other hand 599cc market and below will strive, alot of people believe you dont need anything more than a 600 on NZ roads and todays examples are nothing to be laughed at, for sure the 675 750 and the supersports + extra have their benefits but are they worth the extra money come rego time?

with the increased avaliability of faster higher cc bikes for a nice price, will we see more people stepping into one for the overall ability these machines have, 2up, trackdays, around town, touring, fast riding?

if you pick one up for a huge saving price wise (say 3-4k under retail price), that gives you a few solid years even paying the full rego price before you feel hard done by..

would like to hear your input, obviously what ive said is open for discussion, its just what ive been thinking about and is no way set in stone,

hope it brings some valued ideas and discussion.. cheers

Seriously? if you let ACC make decisions about what bike you are going to ride maybe you need to reconsider your "real" reasons for motorcycling...

[SMOKEU]

Put the rego on hold if you're not going to park in a parking wardens turf.

[dogsnbikes]

Not At all.... With two bikes over 601cc and a 250 all wof'd and rego'd,each bike its great for the purpose I use it so its worth the money despite the only downfall that I am paying the same rego cost for a bike thats 75hp as I am for one that is over 160hp

solution when I upgrade the 75hp bike,I will be looking at something in the 120-140hp range.....

more bang for your buck you could say:innocent:

[Conquiztador]

Hi guys n girls,

have been thinking over the last couple of days,

Good. Keep on practising.

[OnCam]

ive got no problems paying to use my 636, not going to put it on hold.. where did i state i cant afford it?

there are people out there who will look at the pricing differences and make their decisions based on that..

no need to get personal or poke stick, everyone has their own ideas.. input would help being a forum for discussion rather than lame remarks

[MSTRS]

Fair enough. But $100 difference is not going to create a depressed market for over-600cc bike. Nor do I think that multiple ownership will lead o the same. The hold facility will just be used more.

[OnCam]

great thank you, this is a great reply!

[sinfull]

The hold facility will just be used more.
Untill that loophole is closed !

[MSTRS]

Untill that loophole is closed !

Can't see that happening. There are too many valid reasons for wanting a reg kept live, but not in use.
What could happen is the fine for using whilst on hold will increase.

[imdying]

It's all bollocks, anyone that can't afford the increase shouldn't be riding bikes anyway. Those are the sort of people that skimp on tyres, driveline, brake pads, safety gear. In the big picture of sports biking, it's a very minor increase. Just be thankful you're only registering one a year.

[MSTRS]

It's all bollocks, anyone that can't afford the increase shouldn't be riding bikes anyway. Those are the sort of people that skimp on tyres, driveline, brake pads, safety gear. In the big picture of sports biking, it's a very minor increase. Just be thankful you're only registering one a year.

Excuse me!!! I don't skimp on stuff that affects my safety etc. But fucked if I'll happily pay a bullshit levy increase, that threatens my toys...

[imdying]

Excuse me!!! I don't skimp on stuff that affects my safety etc. But fucked if I'll happily pay a bullshit levy increase, that threatens my toys...Rubbish, $3 a week or whatever it is/was doesn't threaten anything except your latte intake. I am however sorry that you can't afford the increase :(

[bogan]

It's all bollocks, anyone that can't afford the increase shouldn't be riding bikes anyway. Those are the sort of people that skimp on tyres, driveline, brake pads, safety gear. In the big picture of sports biking, it's a very minor increase. Just be thankful you're only registering one a year.

I didn't used to skimp on that shit, but now I have $175 less in the bike budget per year, now I can't afford getting the suspension upgraded (well I couldn't if I hadn't already bought the bits, just making a point you see).

Also, would you rather I drive round in a poorly maintained van?

[MSTRS]

Everyone's economic situation is different. There are some who are/were hurting before ANY of the recent increases were announced. ACC, GST, ETS, etc...

[imdying]

I didn't used to skimp on that shit, but now I have $175 less in the bike budget per year, now I can't afford getting the suspension upgraded (well I couldn't if I hadn't already bought the bits, just making a point you see).
Everyone's economic situation is different. There are some who are/were hurting before ANY of the recent increases were announced. ACC, GST, ETS, etc...Those people who can't afford to ride bikes, are going to have to stop, or ride them less in the case of those who're finding another $3 a week too much of a stretch. They're (I'm still talking about the bikes mentioned in the first post here) toys, and not ones that can be run on a tight budget.

[MSTRS]

But we can't pay rego on an as you can afford it basis. Generally, 3 months is the minimum amount one can get, and along with other price rises that is maybe the straw etc
I say this is unfair on many.

[imdying]

I say it isn't unfair on many.

[miloking]

Rubbish, $3 a week or whatever it is/was doesn't threaten anything except your latte intake. I am however sorry that you can't afford the increase :(


oh ok so because increase is very "small" we shouldnt worry about it regardless how unfair or that its pretty much theft commited by ACC sanctioned by goverment...thats just retarded!!!

[imdying]

oh ok so because increase is very "small" we shouldnt worry about it regardless how unfair or that its pretty much theft commited by ACC sanctioned by goverment...thats just retarded!!!If it were unfair or was theft, then sure it'd be something to get excited about. But given that bikers have more vicious accidents requiring greater resources to fix them back up, it's not. There are a lot of stats bandied about, but who would be foolish to believe them. Personally, I can only look to my own contact with A&E nurses, and take into consideration what they tell me about what they actually see. I totally expect the government to skew the data their way, and I totally expect BRONZ et all to do the same.

Times are tough man, the world is economically disappearing up it's own arse. If I can spend another $3 a week to make sure other riders (cause let's face it, I have medical and surgical insurance anyway, so I could in general give two shits what happens to the peasents using the public health system) are looked after should they arse off, then that's money well spent.

Yeah yeah, I know that's a bit socialist, but some of those less fortunate people are known to me and I'd like to see them looked after to some sort of reasonable standard.

/edit: Someone != some of

[Katman]

Yeah yeah, I know that's a bit socialist, but someone of those less fortunate people are known to me and I'd like to see them looked after to some sort of reasonable standard.

I don't disagree - but it gets a little tiresome when you see the same person needing repairs time and time again.

[MSTRS]

...those less fortunate people are known to me and I'd like to see them looked after to some sort of reasonable standard.

O Munificient One! Pray pay my rego for me...
I will be grateful.

[imdying]

I don't disagree - but it gets a little tiresome when you see the same person needing repairs time and time again.I'm picking that they're reasonably rare though... motorcycling can be a harsh mistress, those that continually put themselves at risk either die, or get sick of spending time in orthopedics. Although admittedly I do know people like you describe. In their favour, getting older has sorted them out for the most part.


O Munificient One! Pray pay my rego for me...
I will be grateful.No no, you gotta pay for your own toys!

[MSTRS]

But but but. You said. I've not cost anyone a cent for some 36 years. I won't waste your 'gesture'. Honest.
Besides, I already own the toy. It's just using it that needs addressing...

[imdying]

But but but. You said. I've not cost anyone a cent for some 36 years. I want waste you 'gesture'. Honest.Yeah yeah, I said... :laugh: I said I won't begrudge having to pay the price of a latte a week towards ensuring that there is an adequate health system for you should you break your 36 year streak, not that I'd help you break it :laugh: