new sports bikes.....bit wank

[mikey]

who honestly gives a fuck if one bike puts out a few more horses or weighs an extra kilogram or 5 more than the competition,

for stareters these are normally claimed dry weights, might be a differnt story with everyhitn in them, an the power is nomrally a claimed power,

in the extreme competition of 600cc to 1000cc sports bikes post 2000 i dont think it reallly matters unless you can ride like, andrew stroud, or my granma, i dont think an extra CLAIMED kg or that bike is down a CLAIMED a horse or two will make a fuck a lot of difference.

when some bank is dumb enough to lend me money i will go for

a-the one that is a most comfortable to ride around commute
b-who is offering best deals at time, like HOEI helmet or discount or sumshit
c- if i think the salesman is a prick i will not buy, go to somehwere else, even a different dealership with same bike.
d- the looks

none of those are in any particular order

might even end up with a buell


i think its got a tad wank .

[Jantar]

You are perfectly correct. A few HP or a few kg here or there will make very little difference when cruising on the road.

On the Southern Cross Rally my GS1200SS at 100 HP cruised at a similar pace to Blackbird's 150 HP Blackbird and Mangell6's 120 HP FZ1.

A 230 kg bike with a 75 kg rider travelling at 120 kph is only using 35 HP at the back wheel. At 240 kph it is using 100 HP. But if you want to cruise at 300 kph, or accellerate quick enough to shred the tyes, then HP and weight does matter.

[John]

Some people care alot for bikes and like to stay on the cutting edge, its their life and they often desirve it, thats why that extra 10 horses and loss of 10kg can make all the difference you also failed to outline differences in brakes/suspension/rake/trail/ergonomics and heaps of crap - yes the claimed hp is normally taken from the crank after the build the engine but oh well.
Have fun with buying a new bike.

[Two Smoker]

I got my GSX-R600 because it was the best.... but i want to race mine...

[WINJA]

WAIT TILL YOU GOT THE BUG MIKEY HP IS ADDICTIVE ITS WORSE THAN "P".
WITH YOUR REASONING IT WOULD BE JUST AS MUCH FUN GETTING THERE IN A DIESEL TOYOTA COROLLA .I LIKE CORNEREING BUT I ALSO LOVE TO BE ABLE TO NAIL IT DOWN THE STRAIGHTS AND FEEL THE POWER.
AND YOU FORGET 6 CAN IT OUTRUN THE COPS

[Skunk]

Never needed the specs on a bike... My only question's are


What does it ride like?
Will it fit in the van?
What are the running costs?

[Biff]

Spot on Mikey.

If you look at the actual sales of sports bikes the world over sales are falling, fast. Pepole are getting pissed off by the fact that bikes are becoming more uncomfortable, more impractical etc. Hence the reason why naked bikes and sports tourers are streaking ahead in terms of global sales.

But the bike manufacturers are going to continue developing them and making them commerically available in order to promote, finance and qualify for WSG, MOTO GP etc.

I'll never go back to a sports bike, as I want a bike I can use everyday to communte, tour, take Ms Biff on trips in relative comfort etc.

But they are secsy looking machines.

[mangell6]

And once you have gone through the horsepower stakes you may begin to look at bikes where you have to actually 'work' at riding them to get the most out of the bike and the road.

I don't do any track racing and having a bike that can do 160kph in 2nd gear doesn't really leave much riding skill factor on the open road to keep up with people at speeds that ensures I can continue to ride.

Will eventually get a smaller bike where riding and bike handling skills are more of a factor than the ability to utilise 120+hp.

Still there is nothing like the sheer power and speed of HP.

Mike

[Motu]

Gotta agree with Mikey - wank,wank.The numbers on the spec sheet can be changed at will - by the advertising men,not the engineers....and who do the buying public believe? The add man because he makes it sound more exciting than a boring engineer.

It was Willian C Durant who started it,back in the 1920s...he was the guy who started General Motors.Who do you sell new cars to,when they just bought a new car last year?....You make them disatisfied with the car they now own,make the new one sound so much better they just have to have the latest one.Even Henry Ford had to succcumb and stop making the Model T.

I always gotta laugh at people who keep buying the latest bike - duh,why don't you get your money's worth out of the old one?

[justsomeguy]

I always gotta laugh at people who keep buying the latest bike - duh,why don't you get your money's worth out of the old one?

Sssshhhhh!!!!! :nono:

That's NOT what they say on TV. And what do you know compared to the people inside the TV???

[madboy]

I bought my bike based on the fact that it was a late-model 600 sportsbike with low mileage, I liked the look of it, I liked it on the road, it could smoke the 5-0 (my 400 top end was just a little lacking), I liked the dealer I bought it from and could afford it. That was my criteria. Nothing more special than that.

It was only afterwards that I bothered reading the write ups and comparos. Who cares? I'm not good enough to care whether it's got 1hp more than the competition, nor whether it has 10hp less. Last time I saw Velox on a twisty section I waved her past cos I knew my bike could whip her, but I couldn't. Victory to the 250.

But if you're good and you can do justice to the bike, then every last bit (or lack of bits) counts.

[Two Smoker]

. Last time I saw Velox on a twisty section I waved her past cos I knew my bike could whip her, but I couldn't. Victory to the 250.
.

Weasel is one girl im scared of seeing on a 600 Supersport :crazy: :eek5:

[FROSTY]

I totally agree with you mikey. In the real world of road riding 3 extra hp make zero difference. Its only in the road race world that it makes a difference Even then -as I've discovered to my extreme cost IRider ability can totally make up for lack of HP and even handling.

[MSTRS]

I subscribe to the principle that if your bike is capable of better than you can do, then you will never be disappointed.

[mikey]

WITH YOUR REASONING IT WOULD BE JUST AS MUCH FUN GETTING THERE IN A DIESEL TOYOTA COROLLA .


read what i said

or what i meant it to be interpreted as would go somwhat like

new sports bikes have ridicoulous amounts of power an are anorexic at best

i honestly dont think its going to make a difference if one is ]CLAIMED CLAIMED to have a DRY weight a few kilos more or a [SIZE=5]]CLAIMED few extra horses that i would put a 50 down that you will probably never see

[John]

read what i said

or what i meant it to be interpreted as would go somwhat like

new sports bikes have ridicoulous amounts of power an are anorexic at best

i honestly dont think its going to make a difference if one is ]CLAIMED CLAIMED to have a DRY weight a few kilos more or a [SIZE=5]]CLAIMED few extra horses that i would put a 50 down that you will probably never see

Happens to cars to - I think most realise what your saying but if the upper echelon (SP?) riders who give us nice second hand bikes, and they have their justified reason for doing so either being more speed better looks whatever - I'm sure you will find out one day :)

(heres a old test with cars)
http://www.dsv.su.se/~mad/power.html (http://www.dsv.su.se/%7Emad/power.html)

[Sensei]

[QUOTE=MSTRS]I subscribe to the principle that if your bike is capable of better than you can do, then you will never be disappointed.[/QUOTE


Agree with MSTRS & Winja once you have riden bikes that Have HP you don't go backwards . Big HP bikes now adays Handle & are very lght to bikes of 10y's back so you know its going to do the Job . As said before every one buys what they like & what suits their skill . Yea 1 kg here & 2HP there is not going to sell a bike over the other I believe , Its how it makes you feel when you ride it :niceone:

[StoneChucker]

Is this supposed to make people who buy the latest and greatest feel stupid or embarrassed? What happened to people buying what appealed to them?

I didn't buy my bike to have the latest, fastest, best and to be the best rider. I bought it because I wanted a litre bike, I wanted a new bike and im MY opinion the bike I chose looked the best. I never thought I'd be able to use all of it, and didn't think an extra few HP would make me a better rider.

Honestly, when I saw the bike I knew INSTANTLY that I had to have it. Maybe it came down to something as simple as looks? Good marketing? Maybe. The bike I wanted? Definitely.

And no I don't plan to upgrade to the 05 model, the 06 and then the 07. I plan to keep this for quite some time, till I can sit at the top of the takas and lament on how in my day 180HP was alot, and how crazy you youngsters are to ride 2015 Gsxr1000's with 572 HP, and 125kg bikes :niceone:

Bikes are a personal choice, just like any other posession. Implying that one's choice is superficial is only going to annoy people.

[justsomeguy]

Is this supposed to make people who buy the latest and greatest feel stupid or embarrassed? What happened to people buying what appealed to them?

I didn't buy my bike to have the latest, fastest, best and to be the best rider. I bought it because I wanted a litre bike, I wanted a new bike and im MY opinion the bike I chose looked the best. I never thought I'd be able to use all of it, and didn't think an extra few HP would make me a better rider.

Honestly, when I saw the bike I knew INSTANTLY that I had to have it. Maybe it came down to something as simple as looks? Good marketing? Maybe. The bike I wanted? Definitely.

And no I don't plan to upgrade to the 05 model, the 06 and then the 07. I plan to keep this for quite some time, till I can sit at the top of the takas and lament on how in my day 180HP was alot, and how crazy you youngsters are to ride 2015 Gsxr1000's with 572 HP, and 125kg bikes :niceone:

Bikes are a personal choice, just like any other posession. Implying that one's choice is superficial is only going to annoy people.

Relax stoney - he's talking to the people who buy with their head and not their heart - and oh yeah poor people.

Those who simply can't afford the latest and greatest need to be able to offer a rational explanation apart from the fact that they are skint.:yes:

[FROSTY]

SC I think ya missed the point dude. The point was about searching for the last 2% of hp -Your buying decision had very little to do with clamed or real HP figures
If I was looking at a new 600 it would be for track use so I'd be looking at race results as well as pure HP figures.

[Motu]

Agree with MSTRS & Winja once you have riden bikes that Have HP you don't go backwards .

I do,often - I like bikes,it doesn't matter to me how much power they have or how fast they go,I get a buzz out of some really slow guttless bikes.I just sold a 750 to buy a 230 - expand your experiance,don't just stay at one narrow edge of performance.

[StoneChucker]

SC I think ya missed the point dude. The point was about searching for the last 2% of hp -Your buying decision had very little to do with clamed or real HP figures
If I was looking at a new 600 it would be for track use so I'd be looking at race results as well as pure HP figures.
You want the truth? You want the TRUTH??? YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH! :ride:

I was merely clarifying myself as someone who doesn't base everything on HP, dude ;)

I am SO going to LET you kick my arse at Taupo in Dec, but I could easily beat you, you know. I got more HP :rofl:

[SPman]

Its how it makes you feel when you ride it

Thats basically it in a nutshell! DT230..Z1000...GSXR....BMW...whatever.


Something like this is starting to look good again.......GT1000

[mikey]

I got my GSX-R600 because it was the best.... but i want to race mine...

you bought it or the finance company/./..../../.../ :whocares:

[Eurodave]

You dont NEED 100 hp [or more] at the rear wheel to have fun on a bike,period!!!

Anyone that says to me that they can FULLY exploit that sort of power on 2 tiny little rubber contact patches ON A PUBLIC ROAD should be locked up for fear of killing themselves or others in the process

Admittedly horsepower is addictive...... but theres a point where the racetrack becomes the only viable way of unleashing enormous gobs of it & surviving to talk about it another day

[Ixion]

I've never needed to go *fast* to have fun on a bike. A real biker can have a fun time on a 50cc. Or a 1000cc.

One thing about HP though, is it's not necessarily the peak hp that people buy power bikes for, it's the mid range hp.

It's very nice being able to just twist the throttle and take off, without having to worry about changing gear etc. That to me is much more important than some top end hp figure. More and more, the big Vtwins with their gruntly bottom and mid end performance seem to make far more sense to me than the tuned to the limit sports bikes.

[avgas]

Im finding alot of the new bike (and cars for that matter), have changed to not suit my tastes. But you see that is the glory of it all. Cos the people who buy the latest thing, never put much thought into buying it anyhow.
As for the HP thing.....take a closer look at those spec sheets, in most cases the specs are get worse (98 R1 to 04 R1 is my favourite) or not changing at all.
Thankfully alot of bike companies are changing their ways - Look at Triumph, Kawasaki,Suzuki - realeasing a range of Cafe' Racers/Naked bike that dont have the biggest and best motors in the world.
Also one of the sexiest Dukes' in the world, the MH900 - is based purely off the old 900 Pantah, Why? Cos thats what people who think about bike want.
However, you cant simply stop the boat to make such specialized motor bike all the time, so you make a limited run.
I have a secret love affiar with Streetfighters (youll know when i come out of the closet about this....itll be on one wheel). Not becasue the are brutal looking machines, but because it reflects what you want in a bike - if you think the new GSXR headlight looks like a glow in the dark dildo.....in the rubbish it goes.
So its up to you what you ride, but if your gone all night, smell like kerosene, smilling like you have won lotto and turn up to work late........then you know she's a perfect match for you :rofl:

[Sensei]

It's very nice being able to just twist the throttle and take off, without having to worry about changing gear etc. That to me is much more important than some top end hp figure. More and more, the big Vtwins with their gruntly bottom and mid end performance seem to make far more sense to me than the tuned to the limit sports bikes.

Dude where ya been my GSXR1000 puts out the same Torque as a 999 Ducati
& a V-Rod. Twins have had their days as been the only thing with Torque . Having owned 2 Ducati's & a Triumph which both have great torque they still don't come close to The GSXR . See if you can take a Big Twin down to 20k in top & pull cleanly away from there :rofl:.

[Hitcher]

Mikey for President!

[justsomeguy]

Mikey for President!


So its up to you what you ride, but if your gone all night, smell like kerosene, smilling like you have won lotto and turn up to work late........then you know she's a perfect match for you

.... And Avgas for the President's speech writer. :)

[StoneChucker]

Cos the people who buy the latest thing, never put much thought into buying it anyhow
Nice generalisation there buddy... It's nice being told what sort of person I am. Good to be put in my place. (XJ/FROSTY, seems I didn't miss the point afterall)

It's very nice being able to just twist the throttle and take off, without having to worry about changing gear etc. That to me is much more important than some top end hp figure
My sentiments exactly. One of the BIG reasons why I'm keeping my bike, and waiting till I can get another, as apposed to selling it to buy another.

But what the fuck do I know, I'm not even a REAL biker anyway... I just bought a bike for the hell of it, no thought, no passion.

[justsomeguy]

Don't worry stoney......


Remember what I mentioned before about the poor people......and what the fuck are you getting hyped up about - if you got a problem go look at your bike........ or go for a ride -- you got a R1 so shut up... you got no reason to be anything but :banana:

As for my "dream bike" - it's currently a tie between a ZX10 and a R1...... with the vote in favour of the R1.

Nothing wrong with your red and black - but the special edition black.......... makes me go :not:

Why do I like it?? Cos it's cooler than hell fire.

Raven Black designed by the :devil2:

http://www.motorxperience.tv/filecontent/images/Yamaha-R1raven.jpg

[StoneChucker]

Don't worry stoney......

Remember what I mentioned before about the poor people......and what the fuck are you getting hyped up about - if you got a problem go look at your bike........ or go for a ride -- you got a R1 so shut up... you got no reason to be anything but :banana:

As for my "dream bike" - it's currently a tie between a ZX10 and a R1...... with the vote in favour of the R1.

Nothing wrong with your red and black - but the special edition black.......... makes me go :not:

Why do I like it?? Cos it's cooler than hell fire.
Raven Black designed by the :devil2:


Hehe, ok ok. But, you'd be suprised - having your dream bike doesn't make everyday full of flowers and fluffy bunnies.

Yes, that Raven black is very evil :devil2: IF you get one, we can be friends. ;) {pt}

[justsomeguy]

Hehe, ok ok. But, you'd be suprised - having your dream bike doesn't make everyday full of flowers and fluffy bunnies.

Yes, that Raven black is very evil :devil2: IF you get one, we can be friends. ;) {pt}

I know - I bought my dream car and am now selling it - cos it's too pretty for me to thrash it....... got an old replacement already lined up -- along with plans for a roll cage in a year......:Punk:

And I won't be buying a R1 too soon. I will only be trading up to a level where I can hope to in a year reach the limits of the bikes capacity.....

So the plan is - ZZR250 till march - get my full - get a ZXR400 ride/race it - get super good on it - get a 600 ride/race it - then probably 3+ years from today when I'm comfortable at 250+ then I'll look at an R1 - cos I'm one of those idiots who has to "see wot she'll do" - and if I get a R1 too soon, yup I will be trying to "see wot she'll do" at a frequency too regular for my good......:yes:

[750Y]

this thread reads like "i don't like other peoples choices". It's a comment not so much about the bikes, it's more about the owners of said bikes.(wankers supposedly)
many people will never be large enough of character to respect others freedom to make their own choices without judging them by their own pre-conceived notions. that is the true meaning of a 'low brow'.
I subscribe to the "do what makes you happy" philosophy.
I do what I want & if people don't like it that's their problem.
sportsbikes evolve get over it.

[Coyote]

this thread reads like "i don't like other peoples choices". It's a comment not so much about the bikes, it's more about the owners of said bikes.(wankers supposedly)
many people will never be large enough of character to respect others freedom to make their own choices without judging them by their own pre-conceived notions. that is the true meaning of a 'low brow'.
I subscribe to the "do what makes you happy" philosophy.
I do what I want & if people don't like it that's their problem.
sportsbikes evolve get over it.
Yeah, I like the Raven R1 as well

[Lou Girardin]

Too true Mikey, I had a short ride on a mate's new gixxer 600. Up till then the thought of a sports bike had a slight attraction, but the riding position is just ridiculous. How anyone can call them comfortable beats me. It is a lovely bike in other respects though, you just think it through bends and it feels toylike, as if you can do anything with it. My warehouse bike (Bandit) may be be well down the lust stakes but I can't think of anything that does all I need as well.
It is funny though, people think 2 or 3 kilos is a big deal on a bike when they could lose more than that in body weight by dieting. Cheap performance 1kg = 1hp

[Brains]

Too true Mikey, I had a short ride on a mate's new gixxer 600. Up till then the thought of a sports bike had a slight attraction, but the riding position is just ridiculous. How anyone can call them comfortable beats me. It is a lovely bike in other respects though, you just think it through bends and it feels toylike, as if you can do anything with it. My warehouse bike (Bandit) may be be well down the lust stakes but I can't think of anything that does all I need as well.
It is funny though, people think 2 or 3 kilos is a big deal on a bike when they could lose more than that in body weight by dieting. Cheap performance 1kg = 1hp

Comfortable!? From the perspective of a CBR1000RR rider, the seat has too much foam, the raised bars need to be replaced by clipons, the pegs are a tad low and not far back enough. I recon if I ride anything but a sports bike it'll be too comfortable and I'll go to sleep.

The bikes should feel like their class, a cruiser should feel like riding a lazy boy with wheels, sports cruisers should be able to eat miles n' miles without a single discomfort to the rider, sports bikes should feel like product superbikes - wrists, back, arse, knees should all hurt after minimal time in the saddle. It's all part of the tactile experience of the bikes we choose to ride.

[mikey]

Mikey for President!

of what shall i to preside over?



othe peoples bikes would be great. maybe i can be site president. just need some of pops rich saudis mates to pay me to do what they say then itl be a true sorted democracy,

[mikey]

Nice generalisation there buddy... It's nice being told what sort of person I am. Good to be put in my place. (XJ/FROSTY, seems I didn't miss the point afterall).

damm straight JACKSON back in your place there, go fetch us a beer.

.......

you know it wasnt what i was implying, and your smart enough to figure it out....



But what the fuck do I know, I'm not even a REAL biker anyway... I just bought a bike for the hell of it, no thought, no passion.

damm straight chief your right there...... veryright there. ill be around to take your bike away tomorrow an you can go an buy a harley. with hte beard your almost looking the part. just need a bug catcher helmet an some tassles....

[SPORK]

of what shall i to preside over?



othe peoples bikes would be great. maybe i can be site president. just need some of pops rich saudis mates to pay me to do what they say then itl be a true sorted democracy,
Ok, I give up, you're not as stupid as you try to be. Now we just need you spelling properly and you'll be right up there.

[scumdog]

I've never needed to go *fast* to have fun on a bike. A real biker can have a fun time on a 50cc. Or a 1000cc.

One thing about HP though, is it's not necessarily the peak hp that people buy power bikes for, it's the mid range hp.

It's very nice being able to just twist the throttle and take off, without having to worry about changing gear etc. That to me is much more important than some top end hp figure. More and more, the big Vtwins with their gruntly bottom and mid end performance seem to make far more sense to me than the tuned to the limit sports bikes.

Yep, in day-to-day riding/cruising I rarely have to get much past 3,000rpm - or change down to overtake, even two-up.

[avgas]

Yeh i was just remembering the good ol' days when i rode the TS, RZ and the RG. Those were real bikes, no horsepower (well not to start with anyhow), no real worries. Where have all the two strokes gone :no:
It was like being naughty, sneaking out - and coming home at rediculous hours of the morning, smelling like petrol pump - for a while dad didnt even care about the girls in my bed, or where id been :rofl:

[inlinefour]

who honestly gives a fuck if one bike puts out a few more horses or weighs an extra kilogram or 5 more than the competition,

for stareters these are normally claimed dry weights, might be a differnt story with everyhitn in them, an the power is nomrally a claimed power,

in the extreme competition of 600cc to 1000cc sports bikes post 2000 i dont think it reallly matters unless you can ride like, andrew stroud, or my granma, i dont think an extra CLAIMED kg or that bike is down a CLAIMED a horse or two will make a fuck a lot of difference.

when some bank is dumb enough to lend me money i will go for

a-the one that is a most comfortable to ride around commute
b-who is offering best deals at time, like HOEI helmet or discount or sumshit
c- if i think the salesman is a prick i will not buy, go to somehwere else, even a different dealership with same bike.
d- the looks

none of those are in any particular order

might even end up with a buell


i think its got a tad wank .

Rep points to you, as you've hit the nail right on the head. Most of us (I'd like to think) have a preference for various reasons. Personally I like Honda because I've had an awesome run with them and not so with other brands. I want the CBR600RR, why? Because I like it, my current bike is too slow and does not handle well compared and I think they are a great looking bike. Sure the equivilent would do just as well (probably), but I think there comes a time in life when we should all be able (and afford) what it is that we want.

[Madmax]

I bought a ZX10R because i liked the way it looks
(I only went in the shop to get some parts for the ZXR750
came out with a 10) and i collect insane things like ,bikes ,pets
flatmates ETC, (as a bonus its easyer to ride than the flatmates,pets,ETC)
:devil2:

[2_SL0]

I picked mine cus its green, and has pretty wheels. :whocares: :yes: :ride:

[Biff]

99.9% of the figures dished out by bike companies are total bollox anyway. Dry weights are the areas in which manufacturers BS us the most. I’ve read of several independent studies over the years where professionals have attempted to weigh brand new bikes and achieve the same weights as the manufacturers claim. They can't.

Dry weights mean exactly that, no oil, fuel, brake fluid, etc etc, and in not test could these experts get the bikes in question to weigh as little as the manufacturers official claimed dry weights. Besides, we can’t ride ‘dry’ bikes anyway. No fuel, no brakes, no oil! And different bikes have different sized fuel tanks, so naturally the weight of their fully loaded fuel tanks will also differ.

Then there's the bhp figures. Well Mr Manufacturer, we'll have to take your word for these figures I guess, as I know of no-one that can access the bikes crank and measure the bhp. Again, useless and misleading information.

In fact, during one of the investigations (by T.W.O mag I think) an insider from Yamaha claimed that they made up the weight and bhp figures for the R1, as the figures that they had measured during their own tests made the bike look uncompetitive. Even Yamaha refused to demonstrate how they achieved these ‘official; measurements.

Now we all know the R1 isn’t uncompetitive, but as long as we consumers keep looking towards these misleading figures, and using them as a basis when deciding what bike to buy, then the manufacturers will keep lying to us.

[Lou Girardin]

Somethings never change. Just like Jag "fettling" the 1st E type so that it would crack 150 mph

[Ixion]

Somethings never change. Just like Jag "fettling" the 1st E type so that it would crack 150 mph
And didn't every young boy of the day know that figure by heart. And recited the gospel truth that "E types do 150 mph". Which must have been very annoying for all the people who bought E types and only manged around 120mph

[Biff]

And didn't every young boy of the day know that figure by heart. And recited the gospel truth that "E types do 150 mph". Which must have been very annoying for all the people who bought E types and only manged around 120mph

Didn't we just - I even asked for santa to bring me a toy one, and got one. Ya see it works!!

Bloody marketeers. String the lot of them up by their sensitive bits and make them watch Shortland Street for a month I say.

[Motu]

Yeah,we were really sucked in in those days eh? Not smart like the young fullas of today....That big 150mph speedo on the Vincent was heady stuff....absolute proof of it's capabilities.

The Commando,the Trident,the CB750...they all at various times were the fastest over the 1/4 mile and top speed.....but never both at once because it was all gearing,the bike with the fastest 1/4 mile time was geared down,the best top end bike was geared up....but the absolute proof was the spec sheet,it was there in black and white,for this year atleast.

[Ixion]

Yeah,we were really sucked in in those days eh? Not smart like the young fullas of today....That big 150mph speedo on the Vincent was heady stuff....absolute proof of it's capabilities.
..

Yeah, the easiest tuneup I ever did was when I tuned my 3TA to do 120mph. Dead easy, just fitted a BSA 120mph Smiths speedo. Must be able to do 120 mph, look, that's what the speedo goes up to.

[Bonez]

I do,often - I like bikes,it doesn't matter to me how much power they have or how fast they go,I get a buzz out of some really slow guttless bikes.I just sold a 750 to buy a 230 - expand your experiance,don't just stay at one narrow edge of performance.
Agreed Motu. HP is not what motocycling is ALL about. Thank gooddess.......

[Roadrash]

To be honest, i really don't see the point i don't know anyone who could REALLY notice the difference in handling etc between this year and last years and at the end of the day if you did ride them like they are ment to be ridden you could kiss your licence goodbye before the things run in, and most people you see on them ride 160km in a straight line then go around a corner at 30km because they're to much for them. think i'll get me a big loud '98 TL1000R and save myself ten grand