MNZ rule changes: I have been told we'll know by the end of July

[neil_cb125t]

After asking around the pits at VMCC on Sat - Ozzy mentioned that we should know by the end of this month (any one else heard different?) what we will have to change......

Or in F3's ( or known as superlight/supersport/sportbike/superdooperracing) case weither I park my 20 year old production bike, and watch the 250 gp of New Zealand......:spanking::buggerd:

[Biggles08]

After asking around the pits at VMCC on Sat - Ozzy mentioned that we should know by the end of this month (any one else heard different?) what we will have to change......

Or in F3's ( or known as superlight/supersport/sportbike/superdooperracing) case weither I park my 20 year production bike, and watch the 250 gp of New Zealand......:spanking::buggerd:

Yeah we heard the same time frame too...

[Ivan]

I wouldnt stress Niel who has a 250 bike??? theres a few in clubmans at Vic Club but dont think they are going to go straight from clubmans to F3 Nats.

[slowpoke]

Or in F3's ( or known as superlight/supersport/sportbike/superdooperracing) case weither I park my 20 year production bike, and watch the 250 gp of New Zealand......:spanking::buggerd:

I wouldn't stress too much mate, a keen young fulla like yourself on a proddy based bike and a burnt out ol' bastard (like me) on a GP bike have about the same net speed so it all works out in the wash.

[Deano]

Get a perm Neil....or an SV :shutup:

[neil_cb125t]

Get a perm Neil....or an SV :shutup:

ha - you'll need more than modded 'tractor' to keep up with a 250GP bike :shit:........

plus i suit a will smith flat top better than a perm!

[lostinflyz]

well there was a 250 outblasting 2 600's down the levels straight last friday. goddamned cool bike but rather fast.

but whatever, not racing is way worse than racing something waaaaaay faster, but its the next annoying thing. In the end harden up and run the buggers bike over when it seizes. hehehe

[codgyoleracer]

After asking around the pits at VMCC on Sat - Ozzy mentioned that we should know by the end of this month (any one else heard different?) what we will have to change......

Or in F3's ( or known as superlight/supersport/sportbike/superdooperracing) case weither I park my 20 year old production bike, and watch the 250 gp of New Zealand......:spanking::buggerd:

Now i would like to see you trying to squeeze yourself on an RS mate.............:shutup:

[Peter Smith]

Now i would like to see you trying to squeeze yourself on an RS mate.............:shutup:

So when is your 250 arriving from europe??:innocent:

[Maido]

Dates for south island were released on a calander sent to me yesterday.

jan 29/30 levels
feb 5/6 teretonga
feb 12/13 ruapuna

Not sure how many nth island rounds or when they are, there is talk of the TT being held on the new track in the shed on Auckland Harbour. :innocent:

[codgyoleracer]

So when is your 250 arriving from europe??:innocent:

Hey thats meant to be a secret......

[CHOPPA]

Dates for south island were released on a calander sent to me yesterday.

jan 29/30 levels
feb 5/6 teretonga
feb 12/13 ruapuna

Not sure how many nth island rounds or when they are, there is talk of the TT being held on the new track in the shed on Auckland Harbour. :innocent:

Those dates look good!

[Maido]

Those dates look good!

I also just got my tire order form from F and D for the nationals, they said there are only 5 rounds (i have heard rumours of possibly 6) with last round on the first weekend of april.
Looks like I will be missing that last round then.

[Kevin G]

Road race dates.

Jan 29-30th Levels Raceway

Feb 5-6th Teretonga Park

Feb 12-13th Ruapuna Park - GP titles

Mar 26-27th Hampton Downs - TT titles

Apr 2-3rd Manfield

Some will be happy others not so, guess that's life.
Kevin G

[gixerracer]

Are all these confirmed

Road race dates.

Jan 29-30th Levels Raceway

Feb 5-6th Teretonga Park

Feb 12-13th Ruapuna Park - GP titles

Mar 26-27th Hampton Downs - TT titles

Apr 2-3rd Manfield

Some will be happy others not so, guess that's life.
Kevin G

[Maido]

Road race dates.

Jan 29-30th Levels Raceway

Feb 5-6th Teretonga Park

Feb 12-13th Ruapuna Park - GP titles

Mar 26-27th Hampton Downs - TT titles

Apr 2-3rd Manfield

Some will be happy others not so, guess that's life.
Kevin G

Sweet, I miss manfeild not HD yyyuusssssss!

[slowpoke]

Road race dates.

Jan 29-30th Levels Raceway

Feb 5-6th Teretonga Park

Feb 12-13th Ruapuna Park - GP titles

Mar 26-27th Hampton Downs - TT titles

Apr 2-3rd Manfield

Some will be happy others not so, guess that's life.
Kevin G


I wuv you guys!!!!:love:

Yep, lotsa unfinished business after last years fuggin' abortion (mine, not yours)

[Kevin G]

Are all these confirmed

Yip that is pretty much how it will be according to the RR commission.

[Robert Taylor]

Yip that is pretty much how it will be according to the RR commission.

Those dates are a massive improvement.

[satchriossi]

Why no love for Taupo, out of interest?

[Ivan]

Why no love for Taupo, out of interest?

I heard in the weekend that Manfield wasoff the cards and it was going to Taupo???

[SWERVE]

Yep dates look good this end...............finally both nth is rounds a week apart. Planning has commenced

[cowpoos]

Why no love for Taupo, out of interest?

Its a ghey track....

[neil_cb125t]

Now i would like to see you trying to squeeze yourself on an RS mate.............:shutup:

ha you provide it and ill ride it!!:Punk:

[Biggles08]

Its a ghey track....
Its a bloody awesome track...one that you have to ride hard to get reward...not rely on HP. I wish they ran a Nats round there!

[neil_cb125t]

Dates for south island were released on a calander sent to me yesterday.

jan 29/30 levels
feb 5/6 teretonga
feb 12/13 ruapuna

Not sure how many nth island rounds or when they are, there is talk of the TT being held on the new track in the shed on Auckland Harbour. :innocent:

WHAT

Why is this not publised on the MNZ web site - why does the site currently say starts on the 15the jan!! We have changed our leave applications once already!

unfourtunately i aint a KB social butterfly - so excuse me if i dont trust the sources.... but if its official then MNZ need to actually promote it.......!!:shit::gob:

rant over!!

Actual question - can someone from MNZ put their name to these dates?

[quickbuck]

WHAT

Why is this not publised on the MNZ web site - why does the site currently say starts on the 15the jan!! We have changed our leave applications once already!

unfourtunately i aint a KB social butterfly - so excuse me if i dont trust the sources.... but if its official then MNZ need to actually promote it.......!!:shit::gob:

rant over!!

Actual question - can someone from MNZ put their name to these dates?
Yup,
Just talking to the other half.
She is stoked with 3 weeks in the SI!
Work may not be.

I'm picking it is Airshow season too!!!

[cowpoos]

Its a bloody awesome track...one that you have to ride hard to get reward...not rely on HP. I wish they ran a Nats round there!

crap....its a silly track...only slow people like it.

[neil_cb125t]

Its a bloody awesome track...one that you have to ride hard to get reward...not rely on HP. I wish they ran a Nats round there!

Totally agree matey.....you just need to be able to cope with taking on more than one corner between straights:shit:

[neil_cb125t]

I heard in the weekend that Manfield wasoff the cards and it was going to Taupo???

well i too had heard that VMCC may not be interested in running a national levelled event..... but do not take it from me as the official:shutup:

[NinjaBoy]

WHAT

Why is this not publised on the MNZ web site - why does the site currently say starts on the 15the jan!! We have changed our leave applications once already!

unfourtunately i aint a KB social butterfly - so excuse me if i dont trust the sources.... but if its official then MNZ need to actually promote it.......!!:shit::gob:

rant over!!

Actual question - can someone from MNZ put their name to these dates?


The dates and hosting clubs have been announced here: http://www.nzsbk.blogspot.com

It would have been more obvious on the MNZ site.

[Kevin G]

WHAT

Why is this not publised on the MNZ web site - why does the site currently say starts on the 15the jan!! We have changed our leave applications once already!

unfourtunately i aint a KB social butterfly - so excuse me if i dont trust the sources.... but if its official then MNZ need to actually promote it.......!!:shit::gob:

rant over!!

Actual question - can someone from MNZ put their name to these dates?

They were only confirmed today and if my word as an MNZ Board member is official enough then....And I did put my name to it.....

Kevin Goddard

[budda]

WHAT

Why is this not publised on the MNZ web site - why does the site currently say starts on the 15the jan!! We have changed our leave applications once already!


Actual question - can someone from MNZ put their name to these dates?


Where the hell did you find THAT date ? and why would you have changed your leave applications already - a WISE man would wait for confirmation, wouldnt he ?

Peter Ramage

[CHOPPA]

Those dates look well thought out for a change, plenty of time to get sorted after Tri Series etc and 6 weeks to recover a bit from a SI trip

[sharky]

Those dates look well thought out for a change, plenty of time to get sorted after Tri Series etc and 6 weeks to recover a bit from a SI trip

Anyone wanting to do Paeroa as well will be having to make a swift move north after round 3...

[gixerracer]

Anyone wanting to do Paeroa as well will be having to make a swift move north after round 3...

F__K Paeroa didnt you see that guy on the rscue programe on tv the other night he hit a forklift

[Shaun]

I guess it must be a case of the Majority win with these dates

As there is NO way any Kiwi racer can do the NZ champs as well as say go to the USA for the start of there champs, O well, I guess the new Exspensice race classes being suggested will make up for this though eh

[gixerracer]

I guess it must be a case of the Majority win with these dates

As there is NO way any Kiwi racer can do the NZ champs as well as say go to the USA for the start of there champs, O well, I guess the new Exspensice race classes being suggested will make up for this though eh

Y should we fit in with the rest of the world ??? They wouldnt do the same for us and there is only one guy that actually gets of his arse and goes over seas racing and he nows as well as you do that being a NZ champ isnt worth a pinch of shit :shit:

[neil_cb125t]

Where the hell did you find THAT date ? and why would you have changed your leave applications already - a WISE man would wait for confirmation, wouldnt he ?

Peter Ramage

Well everyone does love to complain without trying to help the problem..... so here could be a suggestion....

MNZ has all road race licence holders contact addresses and email. A letter and or email to all past and present licence holders - stating the dates of the 2011 NEW ZEALAND ROAD RACING SERIES, the exciting new layout of events including a double points round at manfield. The effort that MNZ has put in to bring dates together to make it easier for competitors to compete.

Need a volunteer to do this..... contact me - I am MORE THAN happy to help!

[Biggles08]

I guess it must be a case of the Majority win with these dates

As there is NO way any Kiwi racer can do the NZ champs as well as say go to the USA for the start of there champs, O well, I guess the new Exspensice race classes being suggested will make up for this though eh

....are you serious Shaun??

I think the dates look great and well considered....only downside is most domestic companies shut down in Jan and like their staff to take their annual leave then...but nothing a bit of organizing with your understanding boss won't fix :yes:

[Rcktfsh]

Good work by the commission to get the dates sorted early allowing riders to plan ahead, be great to see the final round turned into the sort of spectacle the old shell two wheeler was.

[neil_cb125t]

Yup,
Just talking to the other half.
She is stoked with 3 weeks in the SI!
Work may not be.

I'm picking it is Airshow season too!!!

Yeah matey - that is a good point!

It does give us another pay to put more money in the bank!:shifty:

[Matt Bleck]

crap....its a silly track...only slow people like it.

But you just said you don't like it........ :shutup:

[quickbuck]

Where the hell did you find THAT date ? and why would you have changed your leave applications already - a WISE man would wait for confirmation, wouldnt he ?

Peter Ramage

Some of us need to apply months in advanve (yes over 6) to get that period of time off work.
It may not be the case in YOUR situation, but there are others in different situations.

WE needed to find out the dates ASAP for planning purposes, and found some many months ago, only for them to change.

Aaron Carr (as everybody is putting their name to things).

[Str8 Jacket]

But you just said you don't like it........ :shutup:

You're really mean.

[lostinflyz]

this is the first of any dates that have been annouced. Jan 15th sounds like last years dates for starting.

To be fair they can only book in dates so many months in advance, and some tracks are not so flexible i hear, and i imagine alot of other meets have priority to certain dates and times over the nats (most SI tracks are car club run so they take preference to their events/bigger events)

[Robert Taylor]

this is the first of any dates that have been annouced. Jan 15th sounds like last years dates for starting.

To be fair they can only book in dates so many months in advance, and some tracks are not so flexible i hear, and i imagine alot of other meets have priority to certain dates and times over the nats (most SI tracks are car club run so they take preference to their events/bigger events)

Money talks, the big car race events, their bigger budgets and bigger gate takings ( usually ) will get first bite of the cherry

[Robert Taylor]

Some of us need to apply months in advanve (yes over 6) to get that period of time off work.
It may not be the case in YOUR situation, but there are others in different situations.

WE needed to find out the dates ASAP for planning purposes, and found some many months ago, only for them to change.

Aaron Carr (as everybody is putting their name to things).

In a similiar vein the industry suppliers are also compromised if notice of rule changes are too short. Whether people like it or not the sport is also about the industry, especially given that the industry at large puts a hell of a lot of money and effort into road racing. Too often the industry is either taken for granted or people are downright rude about the industry.The leadtimes for pre-ordering product can be quite protracted and the investments very substantial, the impact of less than well researched rule changes can be devastating, economically.
If the industry at large pulled all its support tommorrow there would be no road racing worth going to.

[cowpoos]

But you just said you don't like it........ :shutup:

Don't get me started sunshine....I'm a fucking legend....ask my Mum!!

[Biggles08]

In a similiar vein the industry suppliers are also compromised if notice of rule changes are too short. Whether people like it or not the sport is also about the industry, especially given that the industry at large puts a hell of a lot of money and effort into road racing. Too often the industry is either taken for granted or people are downright rude about the industry.The leadtimes for pre-ordering product can be quite protracted and the investments very substantial, the impact of less than well researched rule changes can be devastating, economically.
If the industry at large pulled all its support tommorrow there would be no road racing worth going to.

A good example of exactly this was evident with no tires available that had been ordered within the prescribed time frame at last years Nationals, yet still was unable to be delivered for the SI rounds in time...I agree with you Rob, we need the industry to be excited about doing business if motorcycling in NZ is to flourish...especially in the racing scene.

For this same reason I hope MNZ decide to allow aftermarket wheels in the 600SP and the Superbike classes to get my sponsor involved more...hell...he wants to at the moment!:Punk:This will add to the 'point of difference' between the stock classes too (and make for some fun with suspension tuners too :shifty:).

[Robert Taylor]

A good example of exactly this was evident with no tires available that had been ordered within the prescribed time frame at last years Nationals, yet still was unable to be delivered for the SI rounds in time...I agree with you Rob, we need the industry to be excited about doing business if motorcycling in NZ is to flourish...especially in the racing scene.

For this same reason I hope MNZ decide to allow aftermarket wheels in the 600SP and the Superbike classes to get my sponsor involved more...hell...he wants to at the moment!:Punk:This will add to the 'point of difference' between the stock classes too (and make for some fun with suspension tuners too :shifty:).

What I do worry about though is that too many classes are effectively being created which will put pressure to in the future eliminate the more open classes. Especially if the costs in those classes magnify. We are looking too much to Austruckingfailure when in reality so few Kiwis race there and if the Dingos race here they usually dont bring their own bikes
It wasnt too many years back that complete aftermarket forks were banned in NZ Superbike by the rulemakers, largely on the grounds of cost and I quietly accepted that. We ran a full season on a Superbike with Ohlins forks and but for a crash the title would have gone to that bike and rider combination.
We also ran a dummy electronic suspension setup on Sam Smiths R6 at Pukekohe a couple of seasons back and electronic suspension promptly got banned, it put a couple of peoples noses out of joint because they didnt have it.( In reality it was the very trick fork internals we had just fitted and Sam being rather good at Pukekohe that made him very fast at that meeting ) It was a very revealing insight into human nature but it was also a very good giggle.
With all respect if lightweight wheels are allowed ( and there are very good technical reasons for having them plus its a very viable alternative re cost etc) then it displays a very selective mentality of what is and isnt allowed.
The market is small and limited in the number of riders, although per capita its amazing how many riders we put on the grids. Thinking alloud the most practical overall class structure should be Superstock only but allowing full exhaust systems pipes and ECUs, retaining current Superbike and SS600 suspension rules. And theres nothing to stop people running heavily modified stock suspension, if they so choose.

[budda]

Some of us need to apply months in advanve (yes over 6) to get that period of time off work.
It may not be the case in YOUR situation, but there are others in different situations.

WE needed to find out the dates ASAP for planning purposes, and found some many months ago, only for them to change.

Aaron Carr (as everybody is putting their name to things).

Your point is well put, Aaron - thats why we ( the Commission ) have published the dates NOW, so that the Competitors have as much time as we can manage to get their Champs arrangements in place .... you may have missed MY point though - there have been no dates previously issued by the Commission, the ones released yesterday are THE official dates

Peter Ramage
Road Race Commission Chair

[Biggles08]

What I do worry about though is that too many classes are effectively being created which will put pressure to in the future eliminate the more open classes. Especially if the costs in those classes magnify. We are looking too much to Austruckingfailure when in reality so few Kiwis race there and if the Dingos race here they usually dont bring their own bikes
It wasnt too many years back that complete aftermarket forks were banned in NZ Superbike by the rulemakers, largely on the grounds of cost and I quietly accepted that. We ran a full season on a Superbike with Ohlins forks and but for a crash the title would have gone to that bike and rider combination.
We also ran a dummy electronic suspension setup on Sam Smiths R6 at Pukekohe a couple of seasons back and electronic suspension promptly got banned, it put a couple of peoples noses out of joint because they didnt have it.( In reality it was the very trick fork internals we had just fitted and Sam being rather good at Pukekohe that made him very fast at that meeting ) It was a very revealing insight into human nature but it was also a very good giggle.
With all respect if lightweight wheels are allowed ( and there are very good technical reasons for having them plus its a very viable alternative re cost etc) then it displays a very selective mentality of what is and isnt allowed.
The market is small and limited in the number of riders, although per capita its amazing how many riders we put on the grids. Thinking alloud the most practical overall class structure should be Superstock only but allowing full exhaust systems pipes and ECUs, retaining current Superbike and SS600 suspension rules. And theres nothing to stop people running heavily modified stock suspension, if they so choose.
I personally believe it will end up as 'natural selection' and what will be will be. There will always be a minority of people that will want a class that is 'open' with regards to the rules...in fact I will re-word that, most would love to race a fully equipped piece of machinery but are unable to afford too...that is all that is stopping them.

However, the Super Stock class has the potential to draw in the motorcycling manufacturers more I think...we may end up seeing bike shops promoting racers...their racers more as the 'branding' of motorcycle manufacturers become more relevant to them. I'm all for a class that promotes Honda vs Kawasaki vs Yamaha vs Suzuki myself...because lets face it...then everyone will find out the awesomeness of the green!:Punk:

Aftermarket products such as Ohlins and Carrozzeria wheels are very important to the success of the racing community in NZ...but I believe proactive involvement of actual motorcycle manufactures is more important.

[CHOPPA]

What I do worry about though is that too many classes are effectively being created which will put pressure to in the future eliminate the more open classes. Especially if the costs in those classes magnify. We are looking too much to Austruckingfailure when in reality so few Kiwis race there and if the Dingos race here they usually dont bring their own bikes
It wasnt too many years back that complete aftermarket forks were banned in NZ Superbike by the rulemakers, largely on the grounds of cost and I quietly accepted that. We ran a full season on a Superbike with Ohlins forks and but for a crash the title would have gone to that bike and rider combination.
We also ran a dummy electronic suspension setup on Sam Smiths R6 at Pukekohe a couple of seasons back and electronic suspension promptly got banned, it put a couple of peoples noses out of joint because they didnt have it.( In reality it was the very trick fork internals we had just fitted and Sam being rather good at Pukekohe that made him very fast at that meeting ) It was a very revealing insight into human nature but it was also a very good giggle.
With all respect if lightweight wheels are allowed ( and there are very good technical reasons for having them plus its a very viable alternative re cost etc) then it displays a very selective mentality of what is and isnt allowed.
The market is small and limited in the number of riders, although per capita its amazing how many riders we put on the grids. Thinking alloud the most practical overall class structure should be Superstock only but allowing full exhaust systems pipes and ECUs, retaining current Superbike and SS600 suspension rules. And theres nothing to stop people running heavily modified stock suspension, if they so choose.

I completely agree with the superstock rules robert, suspension, full exhaust and tuning device. Chances are this rule will come in next year after i have modified my bike to superbike spec haha

[gixerracer]

I completely agree with the superstock rules robert, suspension, full exhaust and tuning device. Chances are this rule will come in next year after i have modified my bike to superbike spec haha

Just leave it alone then the bloddy thing is fast enough now

[scorry]

So........ motards racing at all 5 rounds this year?? :chase:

[Shaun]

Y should we fit in with the rest of the world ??? They wouldnt do the same for us and there is only one guy that actually gets of his arse and goes over seas racing and he nows as well as you do that being a NZ champ isnt worth a pinch of shit :shit:



You are correct re the NZ Championship Title means shite for over seas, but it is worth a lot to earn here!

And I am also sure the MNZ code is based on " To help and develop riders" So how does creating a class that is more exspensive than the current ones help that, also dates, how do we help encourage people to try and race over seas, when dates clash with the rest of the World, and it is NOT the world that needs to change, it is US! We have to work in with the world to help grow our sport and riders.

This is NO attach on any one, I am just High Lighting the issue, hoping the commision notes it for the future of our sport and riders.

Why are we even considering making the classes so different from current rules, Which will only make racing more exspensive??

Light weight wheels

Engine modofications

The $ ADD UP

[brads]

You are correct re the NZ Championship Title means shite for over seas, but it is worth a lot to earn here!

And I am also sure the MNZ code is based on " To help and develop riders" So how does creating a class that is more exspensive than the current ones help that, also dates, how do we help encourage people to try and race over seas, when dates clash with the rest of the World, and it is NOT the world that needs to change, it is US! We have to work in with the world to help grow our sport and riders.

This is NO attach on any one, I am just High Lighting the issue, hoping the commision notes it for the future of our sport and riders.

Why are we even considering making the classes so different from current rules, Which will only make racing more exspensive??

Light weight wheels

Engine modofications

The $ ADD UP

Could'nt agree more with you shaun,why make it more expensive than it already is?

[Shaun]

Could'nt agree more with you shaun,why make it more expensive than it already is?



I cannot understand either Brad, unless there is something we are not totally aware of?

The economy is F"D Bike sales are F"D Accessories sales are F'd so where is the EXTRA REQD money going to come from to build these bikes

If you are Not a compitent mechanical person, the cost involved in building an up spec 600 motor is going to cost you around $3k MIN, What is the point, O that's write, so we can go to Aussie, hahahaha, who does any way, NO one has any Money, and there are only 3-5 riders here that would be worth sending any way these days---- Not a Dig at people, just how I see the level of riders in NZ at the moment, there are some on there way again, and ONE very very good future I am aware of on his way up the chain.

Hero's and Stars

Sketchy Racer, Glenn Skatchill

So where has all the sponsorship money come from to get him over seas racing after his last 12 months of brilliant commitment to his riding?????
He is the BEST young rider I have ever seen in this country, including Aaron Slight Andrew Stroud Simon Crafer, I grew up with them, so know where they were at at his stage of his racing.

The above PROVES to me the serious lack of funds in our sport

[Robert Taylor]

I personally believe it will end up as 'natural selection' and what will be will be. There will always be a minority of people that will want a class that is 'open' with regards to the rules...in fact I will re-word that, most would love to race a fully equipped piece of machinery but are unable to afford too...that is all that is stopping them.

However, the Super Stock class has the potential to draw in the motorcycling manufacturers more I think...we may end up seeing bike shops promoting racers...their racers more as the 'branding' of motorcycle manufacturers become more relevant to them. I'm all for a class that promotes Honda vs Kawasaki vs Yamaha vs Suzuki myself...because lets face it...then everyone will find out the awesomeness of the green!:Punk:

Aftermarket products such as Ohlins and Carrozzeria wheels are very important to the success of the racing community in NZ...but I believe proactive involvement of actual motorcycle manufactures is more important.

Yes there will be natural selection, for better or worse. Manufacturers of aftermarket product, the tyre suppliers, oil suppliers etc ad infinitum are in fact just as important as the bike manufacturers themselves as they are all interlinked. Taking it to its finest point bike manufacturers are in fact assemblers of product as many of the bikes use product that is made by subcontractors. For example WP are a subcontractor of product to KTM ( although in that case Ill conveniently foget that KTM own WP)
When we are talking aftermarket suspension there are in fact 5 highest quality and performance products on the radar screen that race at the highest levels beit WSS600, World 600 and 1000 Superstock ( yes aftermarket suspension used in 600 Superstock ) and AMA racing. WP, Penske, Works level Showa,Ohlins and Bitubo. Bitubo making a presence in WSS600 on the Triumphs and a nice looking product indeed.
Interesting to note that 3 of the biggest motorcycle distributors in NZ strongly favour aftermarket suspension for Superstock 600 class and the vibe out there is that most submitters were also in favour of retaining aftermarket. A fifth motorcycle manufacturer ( KTM ) has standard suspension components that in other ways are considered aftermarket!!!
It would be ideal to have a greater level of dealer involvement but frankly I dont see much more of that anytime soon. The road race motorcycle world is a very different animal to 2 or 3 decades ago and whilst many hark back to the simplicity of those times it aint coming back! Also, this sounds negative but its the stark reality. Given that current retail motorcycle sales are down as low as 1962 levels and that dealers are operating on extremely squeezed margins many are on the bones of their bottoms. It is they who need sponsorship!

[fossil]

Your point is well put, Aaron - thats why we ( the Commission ) have published the dates NOW, so that the Competitors have as much time as we can manage to get their Champs arrangements in place .... you may have missed MY point though - there have been no dates previously issued by the Commission, the ones released yesterday are THE official dates

Peter Ramage
Road Race Commission Chair

Is there any truth in the rumour that bridgestone will be announced as the control tyre for a number of classes?

[lostinflyz]

only because bridgey's have been scientifically proven to be 10x superior to everything else....

dear fucktards, MNZ have decided that you don't need anything else, cause you'll only make the wrong decision (not my words!!!).

[CHOPPA]

So where has all the sponsorship money come from to get him over seas racing after his last 12 months of brilliant commitment to his riding?????
He is the BEST young rider I have ever seen in this country, including Aaron Slight Andrew Stroud Simon Crafer, I grew up with them, so know where they were at at his stage of his racing.

The above PROVES to me the serious lack of funds in our sport

I think there is still the money out there but I dont think you can just sit back and expect to get it. I was at Strouds house and I asked if he worked. He laughed and just showed me what he actually does to make a living from racing (amongst other things)

I think any rider with talent/age on there side but most importantly dedication will be able to get to where they need to, to prove themselves. They may not make it but they will get a shot to prove themselves.

I dont see any dedication from Road Racers in comparison to young MX riders and that really is the diff. If Glen has Ben Townleys dedication I dont doubt he has the talent to succeed.

[Dom]

Yes there will be natural selection, for better or worse. Manufacturers of aftermarket product, the tyre suppliers, oil suppliers etc ad infinitum are in fact just as important as the bike manufacturers themselves as they are all interlinked. Taking it to its finest point bike manufacturers are in fact assemblers of product as many of the bikes use product that is made by subcontractors. For example WP are a subcontractor of product to KTM ( although in that case Ill conveniently foget that KTM own WP)
When we are talking aftermarket suspension there are in fact 5 highest quality and performance products on the radar screen that race at the highest levels beit WSS600, World 600 and 1000 Superstock ( yes aftermarket suspension used in 600 Superstock ) and AMA racing. WP, Penske, Works level Showa,Ohlins and Bitubo. Bitubo making a presence in WSS600 on the Triumphs and a nice looking product indeed.
Interesting to note that 3 of the biggest motorcycle distributors in NZ strongly favour aftermarket suspension for Superstock 600 class and the vibe out there is that most submitters were also in favour of retaining aftermarket. A fifth motorcycle manufacturer ( KTM ) has standard suspension components that in other ways are considered aftermarket!!!
It would be ideal to have a greater level of dealer involvement but frankly I dont see much more of that anytime soon. The road race motorcycle world is a very different animal to 2 or 3 decades ago and whilst many hark back to the simplicity of those times it aint coming back! Also, this sounds negative but its the stark reality. Given that current retail motorcycle sales are down as low as 1962 levels and that dealers are operating on extremely squeezed margins many are on the bones of their bottoms. It is they who need sponsorship!

Don't forget K-Tech Robert. They have found their way onto some fast bikes on a couple of continents.

[Biggles08]

I think there is still the money out there but I dont think you can just sit back and expect to get it. I was at Strouds house and I asked if he worked. He laughed and just showed me what he actually does to make a living from racing (amongst other things)

I think any rider with talent/age on there side but most importantly dedication will be able to get to where they need to, to prove themselves. They may not make it but they will get a shot to prove themselves.

I dont see any dedication from Road Racers in comparison to young MX riders and that really is the diff. If Glen has Ben Townleys dedication I dont doubt he has the talent to succeed.

You may just be on to something there Choppa!

[Robert Taylor]

Is there any truth in the rumour that bridgestone will be announced as the control tyre for a number of classes?

No, Buddha may be Buddha but he has ethics.

[Wingnut]

I dont see any dedication from Road Racers in comparison to young MX riders and that really is the diff.

Agreed. But is that because there is a better or easily obtainable "Pathway" available for up and comers in the MX scene? I would imagine it would be significantly easier to commit and sacrafise if your goals were realistically obtainable?

Choppa you will know, how do the two codes (Road vs MX)compare financially? The cost to run at the top level in NZ specifically?

[CHOPPA]

Agreed. But is that because there is a better or easily obtainable "Pathway" available for up and comers in the MX scene? I would imagine it would be significantly easier to commit and sacrafise if your goals were realistically obtainable?

Choppa you will know, how do the two codes (Road vs MX)compare financially? The cost to run at the top level in NZ specifically?

The thing with MX is there is a lot more riding involved, parts wear out far quicker and bikes need to be replaced twice a year or have a practice and a race bike. Given you would ride 10x more the costs are similar so obviously if you raced your Superbike that much the cost would be stupid.

Sponsors are a bit easier to get when racing road bikes, its very very hard nowdays to get a professional ride in MX as parents are grooming there kids from a really young age and there is so many fast fast kids, they need to look at road racing!

The thing about MX is that to be fit for a 30 min race at a professional level you have to dedicate a couple of hours everyday to training.

Ben Townley and Josh Coppins both had to buy rides to get to europe but they had the dedication and determination to do whatever it took to become the best so people/family could see a worthwhile investment.

There is a Spanish formula extreme and Spanish Moto2 ride available at the moment which is run by Dorna, it will cost around 120k. That also incudes some british rounds french rounds and if your quick enough moto gp wild card. The expenses are payable over the year and there is the potential of around 50k prizemoney. Its not impossible to get there if your determined

[Robert Taylor]

Don't forget K-Tech Robert. They have found their way onto some fast bikes on a couple of continents.

Yes you are correct and its a good product but not better. They have made headway in markets and series where the aforementioned brands have either no presence or their trackside service is appallingly bad with a reluctance to work with riders and make setting changes to keep pushing forward.
A wliingness to work very hard to back up your product makes all the difference.

[Robert Taylor]

Choppa is correct, you often have to make your own chances and not expect everything on a plate. Also being involved with MX I can relate that the costs there are high and often even higher.

Relevant to all of this I have often over the years viewed how distributor backup has been seen as a gravy train in road race. Distributors often have presence ''but for the grace of god'' and shouldnt be milked for all that can be got when times are good. Its a little like the environment, its okay to mine the resources but do it sustainably and put something back.

[Wingnut]

So........ motards racing at all 5 rounds this year?? :chase:

I thought that this was going to be a great class for the masses to watch. But with such a poor turnout at the three south island rounds..... It was a shame to see so few motards on the grid when comparing it to the club scene @ MCC the previous season.

Where did all the numbers go??

[Wingnut]

only because bridgey's have been scientifically proven to be 10x superior to everything else....

dear fucktards, MNZ have decided that you don't need anything else, cause you'll only make the wrong decision (not my words!!!).

Breathe Tim breathe............ The couriers are working overtime....:innocent:

[Shaun]

Is there any truth in the rumour that bridgestone will be announced as the control tyre for a number of classes?






Did you also get one of TEXT sent out by DRUNK people trying to be funny

[scorry]

I thought that this was going to be a great class for the masses to watch. But with such a poor turnout at the three south island rounds..... It was a shame to see so few motards on the grid when comparing it to the club scene @ MCC the previous season.

Where did all the numbers go??

good call mate, i thought it would have been good too.
With over 20 easy at each of the MCC rounds, i would have liked to see that at nationals, but at times there was only 12 on thr grid.
Definatly not helping our argument for having motards at all 5 rounds.

It was also mentioned that motards really need some sort of dirt section to actually be a motard race, it is in the pipeline by the sounds of things but i dont think it will be next year.

[budda]

Don't forget K-Tech Robert. They have found their way onto some fast bikes on a couple of continents.

BLOODY HELL,Dom .... thems possibly dirty words there fella ! Doesnt K-tech subscribe to that mother of all evils suspension theory called "progressive springing" ? certain Dutch Purple Springed connotations if I remember correctly ........

[Robert Taylor]

BLOODY HELL,Dom .... thems possibly dirty words there fella ! Doesnt K-tech subscribe to that mother of all evils suspension theory called "progressive springing" ? certain Dutch Purple Springed connotations if I remember correctly ........

No that was Hyperpro, a little bit of activity here in years past but not so happening now.

K-Tech cartridges use linear wind.

[Dom]

BLOODY HELL,Dom .... thems possibly dirty words there fella ! Doesnt K-tech subscribe to that mother of all evils suspension theory called "progressive springing" ? certain Dutch Purple Springed connotations if I remember correctly ........

Na, K-Tech is the British company that has been winning BSB races over the last two season with their Superbike fork and AMA Superbike races with their Cartridge kit. I was very surprised to get a quality, analytical answer from Dr Bob tho!!!

[Maido]

Na, K-Tech is the British company that has been winning BSB races over the last two season with their Superbike fork and AMA Superbike races with their Cartridge kit. I was very surprised to get a quality, analytical answer from Dr Bob tho!!!

I was very supprised you used a big word like analytical

[Kevin G]

I'm surprised you can spell it!

[Robert Taylor]

Na, K-Tech is the British company that has been winning BSB races over the last two season with their Superbike fork and AMA Superbike races with their Cartridge kit. I was very surprised to get a quality, analytical answer from Dr Bob tho!!!

Credit where it is due. Its no better than the famous Swedish and Dutch ( now Austrian ) products but it all comes down to trackside backup.

[fossil]

Did you also get one of TEXT sent out by DRUNK people trying to be funny

Was that the one about Continentals?

[Robert Taylor]

I'm surprised you can spell it!

The really sad thing is there will be a whole load of Yanks that think everyone in NZ is exactly like Dom!

[jellywrestler]

The really sad thing is there will be a whole load of Yanks that think everyone in NZ is exactly like Dom!
He will fit right in , he's from Invercargill and has the same number of fingers as the Simpsons have, they won't even notice.In fact you'll probably see him on one of there shows as an extra...

[Robert Taylor]

I was very supprised you used a big word like analytical

The really scary thing though Jeremy is there will be a whole pile of Yanks that Dom kicks around with that will think all New Zealanders are like him and roll their ''r's''!!!

[Robert Taylor]

He will fit right in , he's from Invercargill and has the same number of fingers as the Simpsons have, they won't even notice.In fact you'll probably see him on one of there shows as an extra...

Well I guess a lot of those banjo players must comment to him that he sure has pretty teeth!!!

[jellywrestler]

it was also a very good giggle.

Hey Mr Taylor.
It's friday night and I've decided to have a couple of beers, while sorting out a few things. etc.
Friday nights are usually a bit of fun at my house, a bit of Pink Floyd in the background some laughing water in my hand and whatever.
Thing is now I've got a vision of you having 'a very good giggle' that's going to take a little time to get out of my head bugger it all...

[gixerracer]

He will fit right in , he's from Invercargill and has the same number of fingers as the Simpsons have, they won't even notice.In fact you'll probably see him on one of there shows as an extra...

Man I hate Dom not only is he living the dream in the US but now he gets on the greatest tv show ever also.:angry:

[Robert Taylor]

Hey Mr Taylor.
It's friday night and I've decided to have a couple of beers, while sorting out a few things. etc.
Friday nights are usually a bit of fun at my house, a bit of Pink Floyd in the background some laughing water in my hand and whatever.
Thing is now I've got a vision of you having 'a very good giggle' that's going to take a little time to get out of my head bugger it all...

Havent you seen me laugh? Its also very possible to laugh inside behind a poker face.

Pink Floyd, cannot disagree with that!

[jellywrestler]

Man I hate Dom not only is he living the dream in the US but now he gets on the greatest tv show ever also.:angry:
Don't feel left out;I thought I caught a glimpse of you one episode Craig, but I was wrong, it was two glimpses...

[cowpoos]

Well I guess a lot of those banjo players must comment to him that he sure has pretty teeth!!!

Says the guy from the taranaki...where there are no cousins after dark...and in some cases no fairer sex...lol...

[suzuki21]

Says the guy from the taranaki...where there are no cousins after dark...and in some cases no fairer sex...lol...

Hey guys, there is nothing wrong with playing the banjo. And cowpoos - if one accidentally does something to ones cousin in the dark it is not necessarily rude if she is hot and one didnt recognise her. And before you say I am probably in somewhere like Kaponga sitting down on my rocking chair playing a banjo wearing a plaid shirt....... ummmmmmm I might be actually. Shit I need to go out more often.

[suzuki21]

Hey guys, there is nothing wrong with playing the banjo. And cowpoos - if one accidentally does something to ones cousin in the dark it is not necessarily rude if she is hot and one didnt recognise her. And before you say I am probably in somewhere like Kaponga sitting down on my rocking chair playing a banjo wearing a plaid shirt....... ummmmmmm I might be actually. Shit I need to go out more often.

Just to clarify
Banjo - yes
Cousins - no!
Plaid - nah

[budda]

No that was Hyperpro, a little bit of activity here in years past but not so happening now.

K-Tech cartridges use linear wind.

s'funny, when I enquired about some detailed purple setup info, the reply came via Ktech

[budda]

Says the guy from the taranaki...where there are no cousins after dark...and in some cases no fairer sex...lol...

bung bung bung BUNG buda bung, buda bung buda bung buda bung ..........

[cowpoos]

Hey guys, there is nothing wrong with playing the banjo.

Hmmm...I hear Craig wants to learn?

[Robert Taylor]

s'funny, when I enquired about some detailed purple setup info, the reply came via Ktech

I think you were suffering a moment of purple haze after you took a wrong turning and arrived in Kaponga.

[Dom]

Don't feel left out;I thought I caught a glimpse of you one episode Craig, but I was wrong, it was two glimpses...

Man, last time I saw Craig in a dress he didn't look that fine!!! Oh wait, thats when he was just about to go out for a race.

[Dom]

Credit where it is due. Its no better than the famous Swedish and Dutch ( now Austrian ) products but it all comes down to trackside backup.

6 one, half dozen the other. I agree that the big difference between the brands is usually the support/experience that comes with it. People don't know how lucky they are with CKT in NZ. I should know.

[Shaun]

Man I hate Dom not only is he living the dream in the US but now he gets on the greatest tv show ever also.:angry:




Living the DREAM YEA WRITE, he is as Broke as can be, his bike is NOT well prepared, it was very gutless at the last round, and then a Spark plug flew out, and the other 3 were loose! WOW, what a Dream to be working so hard at.

Sorry DOM, But I think people here need to Know how dam hard you are working to be chasing your Goals


PS, someone PAY for my Airfares, and we will get DOM Flying over there

[jellywrestler]

Havent you seen me laugh? Its also very possible to laugh inside behind a poker face.

Pink Floyd, cannot disagree with that!
laughings cool Robert, it's the vision of you giggling, like an 11 year old schoolgirl that is difficult.

[gixerracer]

Living the DREAM YEA WRITE, he is as Broke as can be, his bike is NOT well prepared, it was very gutless at the last round, and then a Spark plug flew out, and the other 3 were loose! WOW, what a Dream to be working so hard at.

Sorry DOM, But I think people here need to Know how dam hard you are working to be chasing your Goals


PS, someone PAY for my Airfares, and we will get DOM Flying over there

U r such a dick I think yo need some more happy pills:yes:

[gixerracer]

Hmmm...I hear Craig wants to learn?

I teach it in my spare time im surprised you havent been to my class as masterton region is my strongest area

[cowpoos]

I teach it in my spare time im surprised you havent been to my class as masterton region is my strongest area

I havn't lived in the wairarapa for about 5 years ya twit...lol

[Shaun]

U r such a dick I think yo need some more happy pills:yes:




Obviously Craig, as you are far more Intelligent than me Bah hahahaha