And we think we are hard done by!

[Corse1]

Well we are really but here is what a biker in Canada emailed me yesterday.

"Kinda like our provincial neighbor, Quebec. Only problem is there they have publically declared war against motorcycles. If you own a sportbike you`ve seen the registration rates go from $250/plate/year about 5 years ago to over $1000 and projected to go to $1600!! LOTS of big sportbikes for sale in Quebec! And that`s for basic insurance. If you want full coverage it`s way more!" :shit:

The insurance he is talking about is the medical that equates to our ACC. Wonder what happens if you have an accident with no registration. Do the Ambo's just leave you on the side of the road:angry:
I wonder how hard it is to import from Quebec....

[Motu]

I was moaning about paying $1,000 a year to register the bike and Pajero,and my nephew in Canada wondered what I was moaning about - it costs him $1600 a year for his pickup.

[NONONO]

Well we are really but here is what a biker in Canada emailed me yesterday.

"Kinda like our provincial neighbor, Quebec. Only problem is there they have publically declared war against motorcycles. If you own a sportbike you`ve seen the registration rates go from $250/plate/year about 5 years ago to over $1000 and projected to go to $1600!! LOTS of big sportbikes for sale in Quebec! And that`s for basic insurance. If you want full coverage it`s way more!" :shit:

The insurance he is talking about is the medical that equates to our ACC. Wonder what happens if you have an accident with no registration. Do the Ambo's just leave you on the side of the road:angry:
I wonder how hard it is to import from Quebec....

And when people listen to Katman and his "I'm to blame, lets make ACC an insurance scheme with all the benefits", this is what happens!

[sinfull]

And when people listen to Katman and his "I'm to blame, lets make ACC an insurance scheme with all the benefits", this is what happens!

Does he say that ?

[NONONO]

Does he say that ?

Does he ever say anything else?

[sinfull]

Does he ever say anything else?
I do actually hear it another way but by all means (seeing you seem to know) dig up the posts where he said these things and post em on up bro !

[Katman]

I do actually hear it another way but by all means (seeing you seem to know) dig up the posts where he said these things and post em on up bro !

It's a new sport called 'Let's put words in Katman's mouth'.

(Actually, come to think of it, it's not even new). :oi-grr:

[Corse1]

I was moaning about paying $1,000 a year to register the bike and Pajero,and my nephew in Canada wondered what I was moaning about - it costs him $1600 a year for his pickup.

I'm lucky that my job pays for my ute rego....$583!!:yes:

[NONONO]

Erm...
Post 1.
Katman "Maybe it's time we accepted the levy increase that has been imposed upon us and now divert our energy towards insuring there are no further increases.
Be back with more soon eh?

[sinfull]

And when people listen to Katman and his "I'm to blame, lets make ACC an insurance scheme with all the benefits", this is what happens!


Erm...
Post 1.
Katman "Maybe it's time we accepted the levy increase that has been imposed upon us and now divert our energy towards insuring there are no further increases.
Be back with more soon eh?
Nonono my give a fuck is broken lets blame someone else !

How the fuck do you get that from that ! Happy digging ! (oh a quote might help too)

[Katman]

Erm...
Post 1.
Katman "Maybe it's time we accepted the levy increase that has been imposed upon us and now divert our energy towards insuring there are no further increases.
Be back with more soon eh?

Is English your second language?

[98tls]

is english your second language?

nonono............

[NONONO]

Is English your second language?
Surely not...and if it were?
All I have heared in the last few months from Katman and his apologists is
"it's all our own fault"
"We all fall off far too much"
"Let's accept the shafting that the government and ACC have handed us".
Bullshit.
This is the very premise from which ACC will dissolve into an insurance scheme/scam. It's exactly the same argument that Smith and Judge have put forward to push the imminent privatization of ACC.
It's been weeks since the "new approach" proposed by Katman first appeared, and what? Hot, hot air. Not one concrete proposal acted on. Hot air, just noise.
You know, empty, loud, worthless noise.
None of which benefits bikers one bit.

[sinfull]

Surely not...and if it were?
All I have heared in the last few months from Katman and his apologists is
"it's all our own fault"
"We all fall off far too much"
"Let's accept the shafting that the government and ACC have handed us".
Bullshit.
This is the very premise from which ACC will dissolve into an insurance scheme/scam. It's exactly the same argument that Smith and Judge have put forward to push the imminent privatization of ACC.
It's been weeks since the "new approach" proposed by Katman first appeared, and what? Hot, hot air. Not one concrete proposal acted on. Hot air, just noise.
You know, empty, loud, worthless noise.
None of which benefits bikers one bit.
Give up diggin huh !
It's been weeks since you joined perhaps, Katman has been saying the same shit for hmmm the 3 odd years i been here ! Funny thing is, it appears to be panning out like he said it would !
Not that i care ! I'm a hedonist, but i do detest half wit attacks on ppl with slanderous remarks !
Apologists hahaha is that a word ? So it is : one of the authors of the early Christian apologies in defense of the faith.

[NONONO]

Give up diggin huh !
It's been weeks since you joined perhaps, Katman has been saying the same shit for hmmm the 3 odd years i been here ! Funny thing is, it appears to be panning out like he said it would !
Not that i care ! I'm a hedonist, but i do detest half wit attacks on ppl with slanderous remarks !
Apologists hahaha is that a word ? So it is : one of the authors of the early Christian apologies in defense of the faith.

Been here years sunshine.
Apologists, yep, that's a word alright, Plural of apologist.
Maybe an education would be useful if you intend to engage in argument.
Hot fucking air, hot fucking air....

[Katman]

Apologists hahaha is that a word ? So it is : one of the authors of the early Christian apologies in defense of the faith.

Every day's a school day Bill.

[sinfull]

Been here years sunshine.
Apologists, yep, that's a word alright, Plural of apologist.
Maybe an education would be useful if you intend to engage in argument.
Hot fucking air, hot fucking air....
Join date october 2009, been here years hmmm least i can add lol duh !!!!

You post a slanderous post about a member and as yet fail to come up with proof other than ummmm (reworded) get over it they done it , how about we think of ways we can maybe stop them doing it again, awww yeah he's in Keys pocket alright !!!!

time you realised that the great acc rego increase scandal that we all protested about was a front so WE yes we were front page news for the weeks it took to change (awww do i need to list them) so many parts of acc and many other things that used to make nz a great place to live in ! Yes does the term smokescreen mean anything to you ?

But all WE wanted to do was ride to parliment and protest the rego increase (were ya there?)Well mr not all hot air, tell me what the fuck are you gonna do about the fact you have to pay more for your rego ?????

Say it's my fault ?

[Katman]

Say it's my fault ?

Ok, it's your fault. :wacko:

[98tls]

Every day's a school day Bill.

I reckon one of Hitchers young uns has recently got a puter.:blink:

[98tls]

Join date october 2009, been here years hmmm least i can add lol duh !!!!

You post a slanderous post about a member and as yet fail to come up with proof other than ummmm (reworded) get over it they done it , how about we think of ways we can maybe stop them doing it again, awww yeah he's in Keys pocket alright !!!!

time you realised that the great acc rego increase scandal that we all protested about was a front so WE yes we were front page news for the weeks it took to change (awww do i need to list them) so many parts of acc and many other things that used to make nz a great place to live in ! Yes does the term smokescreen mean anything to you ?

But all WE wanted to do was ride to parliment and protest the rego increase (were ya there?)Well mr not all hot air, tell me what the fuck are you gonna do about the fact you have to pay more for your rego ?????

Say it's my fault ?

:gob:Dont be so harsh hes spent many hours on the Playstation,thats "been around" isnt it?:mellow:

[NONONO]

Join date october 2009, been here years hmmm least i can add lol duh !!!!

You post a slanderous post about a member and as yet fail to come up with proof other than ummmm (reworded) get over it they done it , how about we think of ways we can maybe stop them doing it again, awww yeah he's in Keys pocket alright !!!!

time you realised that the great acc scandal that we all protested about was a front so WE yes we were front page news for the weeks it took to change (awww do i need to list them) so many parts of acc and many other things that used to make nz a great place to live in !

But all WE wanted to do was ride to parliment and protest the rego increase (were ya there?)Well mr not all hot air, tell me what the fuck are you gonna do about the fact you have to pay more for your rego ?????

Say it's my fault ?

Oh dear, oh dear...
You are aware you can have more than one moniker on this site eh?
Yes I was there, no, it was not about a brief moment in the spot light.
You will never have any idea about what myself and others have done, we won't bother telling you, why would we?
I do know this, there are some who have not accepted the unfairness of the increases. Who will not accept the dismantling of the ACC, and who do not blame bikers for the recent policy changes of this government.
And I also know there are people like you, who do and will.

[sinfull]

Oh dear, oh dear...
You are aware you can have more than one moniker on this site eh?. Awww hahaha funnie as fuck that quote is !


Yes I was there, no, it was not about a brief moment in the spot light.
You will never have any idea about what myself and others have done, we won't bother telling you, why would we?
I do know this, there are some who have not accepted the unfairness of the increases. Who will not accept the dismantling of the ACC, and who do not blame bikers for the recent policy changes of this government.
And I also know there are people like you, who do and will.You seem to forget i dont care ! I'm a hedonist, all i care about is me !
But it does get my goat when you say shit and cant back it up ! Or can you ?

[NONONO]

Awww hahaha funnie as fuck that quote is !
You seem to forget i dont care ! I'm a hedonist, all i care about is me !
But it does get my goat when you say shit and cant back it up ! Or can you ?

Fuck..you got a goat as well...........
Far out.

[Spearfish]

If ACC/rego is added to regular insurance + the 85 cents per ltr tax in fuel not to mention Grab Snatch Take at various points along the way with a WoF every six months all paid for by money you have earned and already paid tax on (especially self employed) I think we can still find momentum for a good run at winning the who has it the hardest comp.

[Spyke]

Do their costs include third party?

[nudemetalz]

I remember Katman saying once that his Katana wasn't really a real Katana but actually made up from a GT380.....

[Katman]

I remember Katman saying once that his Katana wasn't really a real Katana but actually made up from a GT380.....

I was probably drinking that night. :wacko:

[Corse1]

If ACC/rego is added to regular insurance + the 85 cents per ltr tax in fuel not to mention Grab Snatch Take at various points along the way with a WoF every six months all paid for by money you have earned and already paid tax on (especially self employed) I think we can still find momentum for a good run at winning the who has it the hardest comp.

And this just in........."A few years ago Ontario changed the law concerning the no insurance coverage fine. It used to be $500 to be found riding with no insurance but too many people were riding without, paying the 2 or 3 tickets per year because it was still cheaper than getting coverage with their records. Then they upped the limit to $5000 for the first offence!! A lot of people parked their bikes!":shit:

[Corse1]

Do their costs include third party?

"Sounds like it`s fairly similar only in Quebec it`s mandatory. You have to get a renewal sticker yearly for the plate and the insurance in in the cost of the sticker. It would be easy for the police to see if you`re running on an expired plate as they have the year and month on the sticker."

I think it is only medical though.

[Corse1]

Been here years sunshine.
Apologists, yep, that's a word alright, Plural of apologist.
Maybe an education would be useful if you intend to engage in argument.
Hot fucking air, hot fucking air....

Geez I didn't know i would start this sort of shit.......I must start threads more often :rockon:

[dipshit]

Or across the ditch in NSW...

http://www.greenslips.com.au/about-greenslips/what-is-a-greenslip.html

http://www.gixxer.com/forums/showthread.php?t=273330

[DEATH_INC.]

And this just in........."A few years ago Ontario changed the law concerning the no insurance coverage fine. It used to be $500 to be found riding with no insurance but too many people were riding without, paying the 2 or 3 tickets per year because it was still cheaper than getting coverage with their records. Then they upped the limit to $5000 for the first offence!! A lot of people parked their bikes!":shit:

Funny, I said this'll happen here too if too many don't pay rego....just watch, our govt is a good sheep.
In aussie the insurance only covers medical, and I know my mate up in north aussie pays around $1000 a year for rego on bike or car.
Which brings me to my last point, where is this new system unfair.....my 4x4 has gone up as much as my bike, yet I've NEVER had an injury from that, but have had a few from the bikes over the years????
I think we've just had it too easy for too long.

[MSTRS]

Hmmmm. NZ doesn't have the same cover system/s that the rest of the world has. Yet.
Nick the Prick and his cronies want to follow the rest of the world. Hence the price rises.
Lifting our game (which is all that KM has ever said) may help, but it's still a sideshow in the scheme of things the way Nick the Prick wants it.

[Corse1]

Funny, I said this'll happen here too if too many don't pay rego....just watch, our govt is a good sheep.
In aussie the insurance only covers medical, and I know my mate up in north aussie pays around $1000 a year for rego on bike or car.
Which brings me to my last point, where is this new system unfair.....my 4x4 has gone up as much as my bike, yet I've NEVER had an injury from that, but have had a few from the bikes over the years????
I think we've just had it too easy for too long.

My mate in QLD pays $380 / year for his GPZ1000RX. Its off the road but he still has to pay reg every year to avoid putting it over the pits. No such thing as dereg like our system. maybe thats the next thing to go:angry:

[Katman]

Lifting our game (which is all that KM has ever said)

Amen. <hgvhgvhjv>

[DEATH_INC.]

That's interesting....my mate's in Queensland too. Does that include insurance?

[avgas]

And when people listen to Katman and his "I'm to blame, lets make ACC an insurance scheme with all the benefits", this is what happens!
True.
Except for the fact you have not actually added up the amount you currently pay for ACC......
I currently have 2 motorbikes, a car and work for a living.........as well as that I also have private insurance........needless to say if someone said "Hey how about you pay a flat rate of $2000/year to a private company" I would not even hesitate to pay it.

[MSTRS]

No-one has raised the point of whether Oz/Canada/the rest of the world pay on each and every vehicle they own, like here.
In Europe, a rego plate is yours, not the vehicle's, so one could expect that included cover follows any vehicle that plate is attached to.

[DEATH_INC.]

No-one has raised the point of whether Oz/Canada/the rest of the world pay on each and every vehicle they own, like here.
In Europe, a rego plate is yours, not the vehicle's, so one could expect that included cover follows any vehicle that plate is attached to.
Good point, and this is the bigger issue I reckon. 1 acc charge per person per year.

[Corse1]

That's interesting....my mate's in Queensland too. Does that include insurance?

Not sure I'll ask the question..I think 3rd party.


Good point, and this is the bigger issue I reckon. 1 acc charge per person per year.

I am in total agreement of this. I dont mind the increase so much as having to pay twice for two bikes:angry:

[breakaway]

I like how everyone is comparing the registration costs of vehicles canada etc to NZ.

How is the registration cost there relative to their income? What is the condition of their roads / roading infrastructures compared to ours?

Oh, nevermind, continue justifying rego costs.

[Virago]

I like how everyone is comparing the registration costs of vehicles canada etc to NZ.

How is the registration cost there relative to their income? What is the condition of their roads / roading infrastructures compared to ours? ...

A valid point.

Canada's per capita income is 40% higher than ours: http://siakhenn.tripod.com/capita.html

While the quality of roads is subjective, roading costs are somewhat proportionate to population density - Canada's density is only one fifth of New Zealand's - they will undoubtedly have higher roading costs.

[Spearfish]

And this just in........."A few years ago Ontario changed the law concerning the no insurance coverage fine. It used to be $500 to be found riding with no insurance but too many people were riding without, paying the 2 or 3 tickets per year because it was still cheaper than getting coverage with their records. Then they upped the limit to $5000 for the first offence!! A lot of people parked their bikes!":shit:

5 grand? fork'n'ell
Perhaps it makes a good reason to maintain a better record, but like most biker "cultures" (used loosely) it comes into conflict with legal conformity to often. Bikers, bikes and the motivations behind them will slowly change over time, with resistance....

[DEATH_INC.]

How is the registration cost there relative to their income? What is the condition of their roads / roading infrastructures compared to ours? .
Nothing to do with it. ACC is what the majority of yer rego is.

[Corse1]

That's interesting....my mate's in Queensland too. Does that include insurance?

He is just registering his XR250 this week.
$279 for rego.
$99 of it is CTP which is compulsary third party insurance in case you injure or kill someone else.

So the $380 for the 1000cc bike must have a CTP component of $199. This does not cover the owners medical.

[Big Dave]

It used to cost me just under $700 to register my T'bird in NSW.

So no, I don't feel hard done by in NZ at all. Worst case scenario was they were gunna put it up to what I was used to paying :-)

[DEATH_INC.]

Now I know it's not a bike....but why does it cost $570 odd to rego my Diseasil 4wd, when a petrol one is only $325?
See if ya can figure that one out...

[Big Dave]

Now I know it's not a bike....but why does it cost $570 odd to rego my Diseasil 4wd, when a petrol one is only $325?
See if ya can figure that one out...


You are a fuckin' enviro-vandal and must pay. :blink:

[DEATH_INC.]

You are a fuckin' enviro-vandal and must pay. :blink:

That's what I thought. Time for that blown V8 then. :innocent:

[MSTRS]

Now I know it's not a bike....but why does it cost $570 odd to rego my Diseasil 4wd, when a petrol one is only $325?
See if ya can figure that one out...

Because you pay 9.9c per litre on petrol at the pump as an ACC levy. But there is no levy on diesel...so you must pay extra on your rego.

[Genie]

Because you pay 9.9c per litre on petrol at the pump as an ACC levy. But there is no levy on diesel...so you must pay extra on your rego.

yeah but the diesel owner also has road user things as well...not a cheap vehicle at all. Man at the bike shop down the road has one and he was informing me of the costs involved. he and his wife thinking of a petrol car, trailer and motorbike will be cheaper to run!! go figure!

[MSTRS]

yeah but the diesel owner also has road user things as well...

Yep. Which is also paid by petrol vehicles ... at the pump.

[DEATH_INC.]

Because you pay 9.9c per litre on petrol at the pump as an ACC levy. But there is no levy on diesel...so you must pay extra on your rego.
Shit, so even tho I've never crashed the mower I still pay acc on it????
But ok, I didn't know about the acc on petrol thing, that explains it.

[MSTRS]

You'd think that it would be better to simply add those 2 'extras' onto diesel as well, eh?
Trucking industry would go into meltdown...imagine just how much they'd be paying, with the kms they do at much higher rate of fuel consumption too.
Sucks to own a 'commercial' diesel nowadays.

[pritch]

I have to organise RUCs for the cars where I work. I buy 15,000 Ks per time because that keeps them in step with the service interval. At a cost of between $500 & 600 per time.

If I owned a diesel I'd buy less at a time, but then I'd much rather buy petrol and pay as I go.

Glad they don't make diesel bikes eh?

[Big Dave]

Glad they don't make diesel bikes eh?

http://www.gizmag.com/go/6493/

[pritch]

Shit oh dear! I bet they're selling like hot cakes :whistle: