VMCC round 4 - long track [Archive]

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rachprice

26th July 2010, 19:00

Marknz

26th July 2010, 19:30

Lookin' forward to reading the answers to this myself... that and every other corner on the circuit :blink:

CHOPPA

26th July 2010, 19:47

Would someone please like to enlighten me how to take the start of the left hander after the hair pin on the long track, picture to clarify

I'm always super slow on it and I just cant manage to get a fast line, dam that bumpy patch!!!

Im a bit puzzled as well! Everytime I have ridden it has been underwater so I havnt really found a fast line. All i can suggest is stay wide on the entry as the corner can suck you in to turn in too early. Turn late and straighten up over the bump.

I might take a walk next round to have a closer look!

neil_cb125t

26th July 2010, 20:31

Im a bit puzzled as well! Everytime I have ridden it has been underwater so I havnt really found a fast line. All i can suggest is stay wide on the entry as the corner can suck you in to turn in too early. Turn late and straighten up over the bump.

I might take a walk next round to have a closer look!

As I love that part of long track - i give out a hint which was given to me by Chris O, as chopper stated wide entry.. but if you can cross the bump with ya tires basically as close as you can to the inside line, like 1 foot ( yes your basically hanging over the grass ) the bump 'nearly' disappears. Lastly for rach get your ass off the seat, helps the bike soak up the bump....

I do love long track .....hope its dry for you.....it might have something to do with few good laps last year ......CHALLENGE to your F3 hard cores!!!! 2:02.6

rachprice

26th July 2010, 21:18

Thanks guys :)

ajturbo

26th July 2010, 22:34

Biggles08

26th July 2010, 22:37

... I just cant manage to get a fast line, dam that bumpy patch!!!

I'm pretty sure your not alone rachprice...I don't think there really is a 'fast line' through there:blink:

rachprice

27th July 2010, 07:28

your RG suits the long track... keep in close like the others have said... let the bike drift out as you wind on the gas don't slow for the last turn into the front straight just keep it going hard... you'll love it:scooter:

I do love the last part of that corner coming out onto the long track but I know Im losing time on that corner compared to everyone else/other corners

Deano

27th July 2010, 08:06

cross the bump with ya tires basically as close as you can to the inside line, like 1 foot ( yes your basically hanging over the grass ) the bump 'nearly' disappears.

Just lift your knee Rach or you might lose a slider on the ripple strip.

neil_cb125t

27th July 2010, 09:14

Just lift your knee Rach or you might lose a slider on the ripple strip.

so you've seen the patch up job on my leathers!

sinfull

27th July 2010, 09:30

Was TRYING to follow Brian Bernard through there last track day we had the long track and he was triple apexing the corner ! Seemed to be a peg he aimed at (not a brake marker but just a brown wooden) if the grass is cut and it's still there look for that , then he was hitting the trench just as it joined the larger patch about 4 or 5 ft out , i still felt it was less of a bump right on the ripple as Niel said and you had the extra 4 or 5 ft to get it back over after straightening a little (if your steaming) the rest was just as AJ said drifting wide futher than you think you should after the ditch with it tapped and hitting the apex where it comes onto the old track at full steam at just the right point (Lol yeah right)

roogazza

27th July 2010, 10:12

214140

On the gas and get that knee out.

Deano

27th July 2010, 10:30

so you've seen the patch up job on my leathers!

Better than that bro - I ripped a slider off on that strip myself.

lukemillar

27th July 2010, 10:35

Ha - I asked the same thing after that Brian Bernard trackday (and I missed round 2)

There is some stuff in this thread:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/114634-Manfeild-long-circuit-question...

I have only been around that part of the track for maybe 6 laps, so next round is going to be interesting!

Cheers
Luke

Crasherfromwayback

27th July 2010, 11:04

Would someone please like to enlighten me how to take the start of the left hander after the hair pin on the long track,

Flat out with your eyes closed.

Thank me later.

rachprice

27th July 2010, 13:27

I guess with the wee streetstock bikes sometimes we take different lines cos there is just no power to get out of a corner
maybe I should get there super early and go for a walk over there.

gixerracer

27th July 2010, 14:36

Flat out with your eyes closed.

Thank me later.

Pretty much the best way just chuck it in have faith in the tyres and suspension and if that dont work hopefully you leathers and helmet will save you:innocent:

Crasherfromwayback

27th July 2010, 14:48

Always worked for me!

discodan

27th July 2010, 14:50

I have never wanted to test the limits on that corner but I think it is more physcological than anything. On a street stock, I'm guessing you would want to make that corner as short as possible and take the inside line of the bump.

The next corner is much more important for lap times though I reckon.

scracha

27th July 2010, 15:35

Better than that bro - I ripped a slider off on that strip myself.

You mean I'm supposed to get my knee down?

Hope this helps ya Rachael. I just gingerly tip it onto it's side just before the bumpety bit...it's the fast bit of the corner that scares me. By the time I'm at the corner exit you could probably forge steel between my arsecheeks
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rachprice

27th July 2010, 16:15

You mean I'm supposed to get my knee down?

Hope this helps ya Rachael. I just gingerly tip it onto it's side just before the bumpety bit...it's the fast bit of the corner that scares me. By the time I'm at the corner exit you could probably forge steel between my arsecheeks

Oh you are sweet thanks for the effort hahaha
That is pretty much the line that I take...maybe its not my line but more my balls or lack of that is the issue (theoretical balls!)
My bike isn't fast enough that Im shitting myself at the fast bit

In my first 2 rounds this is where I crashed....

Str8 Jacket

27th July 2010, 16:53

Oh you are sweet thanks for the effort hahaha
That is pretty much the line that I take...maybe its not my line but more my balls or lack of that is the issue (theoretical balls!)
My bike isn't fast enough that Im shitting myself at the fast bit

hehe, I called last year 'My quest for Balls' simply cause that's really what it's all about! :yes:

Put it this way; we are on pretty much the slowest bikes out there so it aint gonna hurt so much now while we learn! Anyway we HAVE to ride throttle open everywhere but the hairpins so may as well grow some balls now!

You'll be fine, get there early and walk the back part of the track. You won't regret it!!

quallman1234

27th July 2010, 17:16

On the very inside is definitely the place to be. But as everyone says just try and relax and trust your'll be alright, you get used to it. It is a pain tho. But then again, i wouldn't listen to me, i've crashed on every corner apart from T2 at manfield.

If you think its bad on a SS150 try it on a 125GP bike.

-Kyle H

Crasherfromwayback

27th July 2010, 17:25

If you think its bad on a SS150 try it on a 125GP bike.

-Kyle H

Or an 883 Twinsport Harley!

cowpoos

27th July 2010, 21:51

cowpoos

27th July 2010, 21:53

Flat out with your eyes closed.

Thank me later.

your right....

Ivan

27th July 2010, 22:28

a 150 os probably worse pretty much like a SV going over they pogo stick atleast the 125 has decent suspension

Str8 Jacket

28th July 2010, 07:18

a 150 os probably worse pretty much like a SV going over they pogo stick atleast the 125 has decent suspension

Yes, but the faster you go the less time you have to comprehend what just happened. By then it's all over! ;)

Deano

28th July 2010, 17:32

a 150 os probably worse pretty much like a SV going over they pogo stick atleast the 125 has decent suspension

Who the hell races an SV with a stock rear shock ?

Ivan

28th July 2010, 18:08

Who the hell races an SV with a stock rear shock ?

Im not talking about the rear im talking about the front I had the CKT front end job in myne felt good then I raced the ZX6 the same day and realised half the bumps I felt on the SV I didnt even feel on the 600

Matt Bleck

10th August 2010, 10:27

Im not talking about the rear im talking about the front I had the CKT front end job in myne felt good then I raced the ZX6 the same day and realised half the bumps I felt on the SV I didnt even feel on the 600

Looks like another wet one.. :Punk: http://www.metservice.com/towns-cities/palmerston-north

oh and I see Mr Glen Williams has entered F3!!! :shit:

cowboyz

10th August 2010, 10:36

FFS!!! when i checked that the other day it said fine!!! still 4 days to change its mind!

roogazza

10th August 2010, 11:15

[QUOTE=Matt Bleck;1129832517]Looks like another wet one.. :Punk: http://www.metservice.com/towns-cities/palmerston-north

I don't know why they don't call it the VMCC Wet Series !!!
You young fellas have got to be keen.
Send it down Huey ! :gob:

Deano

10th August 2010, 12:38

oh and I see Mr Glen Williams has entered F3!!! :shit:And the esteemed Mr Mental Trousers !

Mental Trousers

10th August 2010, 12:46

Looks like another wet one.. :Punk: http://www.metservice.com/towns-cities/palmerston-north

oh and I see Mr Glen Williams has entered F3!!! :shit:

Damn, who told him he could come along and play!!

Should be fun seeing how all of the 450's go against each other

12 Jarrod Wintle Yamaha R450
27 Chris Osborne Ozzy 450R
38 Duncan Keene Suzuki GSXR450R
43 Shane Taylor Triumph TT450
307 Trevor Delany Yamaha R450

Although Trevor Delany is down for F2 but not F3 at round 4??

Mental Trousers

10th August 2010, 13:47

oh and I see Mr Glen Williams has entered F3!!! :shit:And the esteemed Mr Mental Trousers !

Wanna bet on who's faster?? :blink:

bones1999

10th August 2010, 18:00

BRING ON THE RAIN!!!! :yes: :yes: :yes: :yes:

sugilite

10th August 2010, 22:14

I always liked the inside. As others have mentioned, try to be within a foot of the inside track at 'that' point. Being on a 150, I'm guessing you don't need to go too wide, otherwise you are covering needless real estate. The important part is to look for the bump asap and head in that direction, as you get closer and your happy your on the right trajectory, look past that bump (not at it!) and try and make sure you cross through it with at least some throttle on, this will give your suspension an easier time and any misbehavior will be auto corrected/sorted out faster. If there is no one to pass let the bike drift out a little and then bring it back in tighter for the rest. If there is someone in front, do not use their line, if they are tight, but you are to far away to go around, go a little extra wider then cut hard under them and gas it, if they brake earlier than you for the sweeper (do 150's brake for the sweeper?) you can either cut across them (to a point :innocent:) nicking off with their line, or simply ride around the sweeper and them on your chosen line providing you are confidant with your speed to pull off the pass.
If they are out wide after the bump, cut through on the inside, try and stay tight later than you normally would, so that way it makes it harder for them to pull of the same move on you that I described earlier :shifty: It also will give you a chance to take a line through the sweeper that lets you cut under them on the exit and hopefully get to the line 1st :yes:

ajturbo

11th August 2010, 19:20

If there is someone in front, do not use their line, if they are tight, but you are to far away to go around, go a little extra wider then cut hard under them and gas it, if they brake earlier than you for the sweeper (do 150's brake for the sweeper?) you can either cut across them (to a point :innocent:) nicking off with their line, or simply ride around the sweeper and them on your chosen line providing you are confidant with your speed to pull off the pass.

what you have described is what i managed to do to a 250 (i was on the 150) and beat him across the finish line by a couple of bike lengths...

and

No .. the 150's don't need to brake for that last sweeper on the long track...

Mudflaps

11th August 2010, 21:30

what you have described is what i managed to do to a 250 (i was on the 150) and beat him across the finish line by a couple of bike lengths...

and

No .. the 150's don't need to brake for that last sweeper on the long track...

Yeah no braking...and it feels awesome!! Feels like you are absolutely flying!! Best part of the long track:)

gatch

11th August 2010, 23:49

Having never tried the long track, I reckon just chuck it in and hang on. At worst you'll fall off.

But that's nothing new eh Rach..

Nyahahahahahahahahahhahahhahahahahahaha ahhh

quallman1234

13th August 2010, 17:58

a 150 os probably worse pretty much like a SV going over they pogo stick atleast the 125 has decent suspension

Rather be on the 150! At least those pogo over em..

Ahhh i think i'd take the 125 over the harley!

Yay racing tommorow!

Crasherfromwayback

13th August 2010, 19:43

Rather be on the 150! At least those pogo over em..

Ahhh i think i'd take the 125 over the harley!

Yay racing tommorow!

Racing 883 Harleys was no problem on bumpy tracks actually. It was that heavy it used to flatten them all out.:Punk:

cowboyz

14th August 2010, 05:45

well weather isnt completely shite! its kinda wanting to clear..............

quickbuck

15th August 2010, 09:54

I do love long track .....hope its dry for you.....it might have something to do with few good laps last year ......CHALLENGE to your F3 hard cores!!!! 2:02.6

A Darn shame it was wet/damp, and they got no where near it.....

Also a shame for Rach, I hope the body isn't as injured as I fear....

cowboyz

15th August 2010, 10:18

scrap what I said before.. it didnt clear! turned into a pretty less that average day really.

cowpoos

17th August 2010, 18:46

Racing 883 Harleys was no problem on bumpy tracks actually. It was that heavy it used to flatten them all out.:Punk:

Probally the reason the bump was made in the first place! :scooter: