Tyrsox

[kiwi cowboy]

Getting a set of tire warmers [Tyrsox] but it seems they arent thermostated so was wondering whot others did reguarding the temp regulation?.

[steveyb]

Why are you wasting your money on old technology, substandard and no back-up tyrewarmers like Tyrsox when there there local businesses you can buy good quality warmers from?

If you don't support local guys who take the risk and don't make huge profits, then soon enough there will be no one in NZ to buy anything off.

Of course I run one of them, but there are others too who have good quality gear at differing price points depending on your budget.

Tyrsox are simply not really up to the job, and if they are second hand they are unlikely to last very much longer.

Steve

www.tyrewarmers.co.nz
www.racesupplies.co.nz

[budda]

Well said Steve - how come the local guy you always bone for a discount is the last guy you actually want to spend money with ? Jeesus, we dont ask for discounted food at the Supermarket, and you're only renting it for 24 hours at the most !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[kiwi cowboy]

Why are you wasting your money on old technology, substandard and no back-up tyrewarmers like Tyrsox when there there local businesses you can buy good quality warmers from?

If you don't support local guys who take the risk and don't make huge profits, then soon enough there will be no one in NZ to buy anything off.

Of course I run one of them, but there are others too who have good quality gear at differing price points depending on your budget.

Tyrsox are simply not really up to the job, and if they are second hand they are unlikely to last very much longer.

Steve

www.tyrewarmers.co.nz
www.racesupplies.co.nz

1st up you are assuming im buying offshore!!!.
Well Steve as you said these are substandard which any salesman will say of another competiters product [Just look at the other threads on here alone between quasi and 1 tonne and the rest. They all say there the best.]
As for supporting local guys well i do as much as i can but im on an average wage and have to make my dollar go as far as possible at times.
You say i should support your business which is fine but you import your goods and put a markup on and resell them so most of the money i give you for the purchase goes oversea's and only a little stays in nz so no different to me getting them cheaper elsewere and spending the extra in another nz shop or being able to go to another raceday which is supporting our local business.
To take this further i work in a primary industry in nz and the produce we sell for buggar all is sold in markets that are driven down in price by imported produce so are you telling me you go shopping and buy only nz produce to support the nz business's ?
Just look at wool for instance - The price is hardly worth the cost of shearing at times but we take the risk and sell it but nobody wants the garments made because of cheap imported shit and everyone wants cheap.
When yourself and all of nz decide to support nz busniess like you say i might get a decent wage and would gladly buy from you.

[gixerracer]

1st up you are assuming im buying offshore!!!.
Well Steve as you said these are substandard which any salesman will say of another competiters product [Just look at the other threads on here alone between quasi and 1 tonne and the rest. They all say there the best.]
As for supporting local guys well i do as much as i can but im on an average wage and have to make my dollar go as far as possible at times.
You say i should support your business which is fine but you import your goods and put a markup on and resell them so most of the money i give you for the purchase goes oversea's and only a little stays in nz so no different to me getting them cheaper elsewere and spending the extra in another nz shop or being able to go to another raceday which is supporting our local business.
To take this further i work in a primary industry in nz and the produce we sell for buggar all is sold in markets that are driven down in price by imported produce so are you telling me you go shopping and buy only nz produce to support the nz business's ?
Just look at wool for instance - The price is hardly worth the cost of shearing at times but we take the risk and sell it but nobody wants the garments made because of cheap imported shit and everyone wants cheap.
When yourself and all of nz decide to support nz busniess like you say i might get a decent wage and would gladly buy from you.

HAHA Steve you got told didnt you:gob:

[cowpoos]

Why are you wasting your money on old technology, substandard and no back-up tyrewarmers like Tyrsox when there there local businesses you can buy good quality warmers from?

If you don't support local guys who take the risk and don't make huge profits, then soon enough there will be no one in NZ to buy anything off.

Of course I run one of them, but there are others too who have good quality gear at differing price points depending on your budget.

Tyrsox are simply not really up to the job, and if they are second hand they are unlikely to last very much longer.

Steve

www.tyrewarmers.co.nz
www.racesupplies.co.nz

Aye???? You and Phill sold me a set of tyrsox tyrewarmers??? told me they were the best thing since someone invented beer????

[steveyb]

I have to agree with almost everything you have said. But I understand a little about economies and technologies too.
The state of our economy is and will continue to be rather precarious owing to our reliance upon spending our hard earned money, no not on imports because we can't make everything, but on pre-exisiting domestic property. Property makes nothing for anyone except the banks and only drives debt.
But you know, one of the other major reasons for the parlous state of our economy is our reliance on primary production and the commodification of almost everything we then produce and try to sell.
Commodification leads to only one result and that is the position of being a price taker, not a price maker.
We used to say we had the best standard of living in the western world. Based on the sheeps back. But it was all fake because the prices were fake and the farmers loved it and lauded it over the remainder of the economy.
Not to mention the fact that farming does not pay the price of the environments it tramples.

We however suffer further, from the triple tyrannies of distance to and from markets, low population numbers, ensuring that integrating with markets is expensive, and that we do not have the domestic consumption to support internal markets, and lack of capital to grow our own businesses into internationally competitive businesess. You would be interested, I am sure, in the NZ Farming Systems Uruguay capitulation. A brave attempt at integrating internationally and exporting our expertise (by the way into a country with low land and labour costs) has fallen over to the lowest bidder because the owners were unable to source capital for expansion on the local markets. Why? Because all the money is tied up in houses, farms and property debt instruments.

We have extremely strong technology businesses in New Zealand, many of them developed for and from the primary sector (by the way I am a career scientist always trying to build high tech and high value science that can be turned into technologies) that export to the whole world. But most of them are old companies, built in better times by very visionary people when people had more money to invest in business cos they weren't ploughing every cent they had into mortgages.

But in so many cases, when you don't want to be a market leader and only want to make a few units, just try and find the components to make small numbers of these lower value products (e.g. tyrewarmers) and you come up against brick wall after brick wall. Cos we have. Our plan was to build them here sourcing whatever we could locally. But it was simply not possible, effectively.

Tyrewarmers are simple creatures, there is no real mystery to them. But try and source the components to make them here and you will probably fail (a couple of people have over the past 20 years and have come to the same conclusions). And then you will find that the components are all imported as well. So one might as well skip that problem and buy the completed product and have that manufacturer take on that risk, much like your wool risk.

So, I can give people the learn too you see.

All I wanted to really suggest in the first instance, is that Tyrsox really are rubbish and that you would be throwing money away by buying them (unless they are almost free). I know this first hand having tested them out and I am unafraid to say so. I would say that though wouldn't I.

But if you had said you were buying KLS, Cap-It, Chicken Hawk, Bickle, Bandit (there you go Craig!), or RaceTech I would have said, Go for it, they are all great warmers, and then suggested you look at ours to compare the price/quality ratio and the service/warranty back up that dealing locally gets you. But no product is perfect. Ours have issues from time to time as much as any other product might do and ours are NOT the best (that honour probably goes to KLS and Cap-It). And we are unafraid to say that either. But check out the prices for most of the others.

You might notice that there are plenty of brands I have not mentioned, as many of them are substandard.

But have fun. I hope the wool prices pick up and you can buy that NZ made bike, tyre, suspension, oil, chain, brakepad etc etc etc.

Cheers.

Steve

[steveyb]

Aye???? You and Phill sold me a set of tyrsox tyrewarmers??? told me they were the best thing since someone invented beer????

If we said that (which I think might be somewhat overstating the situation) it was because we were ignorant at the time.
Those were our first sales and we were learning the ropes just like anyone else.
We did not revisit them.
But I would have said the best thing since chocolate anyway, not beer.
Chocolate gets more girls than beer.

[Wingnut]

LET THE LYNCHING BEGIN!

I'm all for buying in such a way that benefits our local economy and specifically the local motorcycling industry but if the finances are that tight................... Some people tend to forget that some of us are barely able to even race due to the financial costs. Its a different financial world for some nowdays...

[cowpoos]

If we said that (which I think might be somewhat overstating the situation) it was because we were ignorant at the time.
Those were our first sales and we were learning the ropes just like anyone else.
We did not revisit them.
But I would have said the best thing since chocolate anyway, not beer.
Chocolate gets more girls than beer.

As far as I know they still work...I think I lent them to mark anderson??

and I forgot who I lent my motogp ones to....incase anyone knows?

[kiwi cowboy]

LET THE LYNCHING BEGIN!

I'm all for buying in such a way that benefits our local economy and specifically the local motorcycling industry but if the finances are that tight................... Some people tend to forget that some of us are barely able to even race due to the financial costs. Its a different financial world for some nowdays...

Thanks.
Thats very true for alot of us.
Green rep sent

[Antonio]

http://www.depot4motorcycles.co.nz

[Mishy]

Getting a set of tire warmers [Tyrsox] but it seems they arent thermostated so was wondering whot others did reguarding the temp regulation?.

This is the sort of question that a local supplier can help you with , and that's the main advantage behind buying local - local support with both the buying decision, and any after sale.

History and experience tell most that you don't get squat from overseas - talk to someone local.

[kiwi cowboy]

http://www.depot4motorcycles.co.nz

Please enlighten me as to were the tyre warmers are on that site?

[kiwi cowboy]

This is the sort of question that a local supplier can help you with , and that's the main advantage behind buying local - local support with both the buying decision, and any after sale.

History and experience tell most that you don't get squat from overseas - talk to someone local.

I was asking on here as there are others in nz with these warmers so was asking them but they wont answer probably scared of bein roasted now.

Dont get squat from overseas?-were do you think all the tire warmers come from?.

[Antonio]

Please enlighten me as to were the tyre warmers are on that site?

I couldn't find them, they just opened, so they might not have all the products.
why don;t you contact them, just drop them a line and ask them.

[codgyoleracer]

I vote for Colts, 1set i have is 11 years old still going stroing. 2nd set is 3years old - and has the same boring service record (I:E nothing spent).

They are dearer though $700 aussie, - with main difference appearing to be that there is no "banding temperature marks" left on the tyres where the elements run and the fabric used for em seems to be almost "un-meltable" (even when left plugged in on the floor by dozy old pricks like me), they are tough.

The reason for paying the extra is that there is invariably no local service once purchased - so it pays to choose wisely.

Steve at Tyrewarmes has solved this part of the equation with his local supply & aftersales network though, and i can understand his market approach (I;E as sharp-a-price as possible )- as my experience in business shows that any product under the $1000 range has Kiwis tending to look at price first.

Steve - Do you have enough market share to consider introducing more levels of specifications in your range ?

Glen

[k14]

My opinion, avoid tyresox like the plague. My mate had them and they were rubbish. As you say no thermostat and they would always roast the tyres, I have no evidence to suggest this is bad but it just didn't seem right. I have had my tyrewarmers.co.nz ones for a few years now and haven't had a problem with them. Steve B has great after sales support and will bend over backwards to help you out.

[steveyb]

Hey thanks for the support guys.
I fear I went a bit off the deep end in my initial reply, apologies for that.

We are always on the look out for additions to our range, but the bottom line, as Glen points out, is that NZers are a very price sensitive lot. So, we keep what we have and price it under the magic $500 line. There are not too many punters out there who will pay for high quality items over cheaper alternatives. A really really good example of this is the very low number of Arai helmets that are used in NZ racing as compared to the lower priced (and by inference, lower quality) brands. I know this frustrates the NZ Arai distributors.

As an example from our own experience, we bought in one set of each of the Chicken Hawk products from the USA to test the market. Their base model is similar to our model in most repects, though it is built differently. Their middle model has a two-way switch on it to change temperatures, their top model has digital control.

Even though the base model was priced almost the same as our ones, we could not sell any of them at all!! The prices we needed to charge in order to just cover our costs were just too high. So we ended up keeping the digi ones, Phil has them, giving the middle ones to a mate and swapping the base ones for a helmet that I wrecked.

Our marketing partner, RaceSupplies.co.nz is attempting to organise a supply deal with Cap-It. These are great upper level warmers, but this is clearly reflected in the price.

If we can find the components, ie the micro switches, then we will retro fit two thermostats into our warmers to make temperature switching possible. But as I mentioned, finding the components in NZ is very difficult.

If anyone has any leads do drop me a line.

Cheers

Steve
www.tyrewarmers.co.nz

[wharfy]

Hey thanks for the support guys.
I fear I went a bit off the deep end in my initial reply, apologies for that.



Not by KiwiBiker standards..........:bash:

[cowpoos]

If we can find the components, ie the micro switches, then we will retro fit two thermostats into our warmers to make temperature switching possible. But as I mentioned, finding the components in NZ is very difficult.



Talk to Sean Kelly [skelstar] He'll be your man....electrical engineer and all.