Aftermarket wheels for new National SUPERBIKE rules

[Robert Taylor]

Actually Robert, if some one was to fit light weight rear wheel to there Road bike, I think they would end up with more wheel spin, due to lack of weight on the road?

These light weight wheels started getting made many moons ago, when bikes, rims, chassis were shite, now that all the above has improved, it has slowed down the nessesity for them out there

If they were as great as the PR any one can read about them, would they NOT at least be on world SuperSport bikes at least, where apparently, MONEY in Not really a problem, UNLIKE here in New Zealand.

Having said that though, If the rules did allow them, I would find the money to at least test them again, it has been a few years now since I used light weight wheels, Like Carbon One's on the Britten, I was always asking for more weight in the front end, as it used to float around on the service, NOT Deffinately the wheel that was the problem, as we never got to test another option, due to the style of the Britten.

We did do a temp test of tyres on the Britten, and Tyres on a factory Ducati at Misano, same day, same tryes, same track, same amount of laps, the Britten was way less lower in temp?

Again, we thought the wheel weight option

Its what I kinda eluded to before, add lightweight wheels and yes you do have to change the suspension but it realistically goes beyond that with Superbikes as wheelie control becomes the biggest headache. Little wonder that there are lots of electronic aids, that stuff is not there for show.

[Shaun]

[QUOTE=sugilite;1129825619]OK, every standard shock on your average jap superbike that nz riders use (prob over 90% of the grid) will over heat their standard shocks in a handful of laps. What percentage of standard wheels have exploded from inferior metallurgy in nz? (I'll even accept an vauge estimate from you.) At least my opinion has come from actually racing a motorcycle, as against riding a text book.


Maybe you will remeber, what brand of Light Weight Wheel exploded on Robert Dunlop at the Isle of Man neally killing him?

NO< THEY WERE NOT THE BRAND IN THIS THREAD

[Drew]

Ya right on there Choppa - So much Drivel Opinion and No Facts.

Where are the Innovators in MNZ & Road Racer's Fraternity that are thinking of the Future of KIWI Racers on the International Scene in the Premier Classes???

It seems that the typical Iconic KIWI Paranoia is that - Everything has to be Cheap!!! Oh & Good Quality Too!!

Since when has Racing Ever Been Cheap???!!!!

How do you attract New Blood & Sponsors if the Rules are just so far behind the International 8 Ball that we are fast becoming an Isolated Bunch of Backward looking Ideological Fundamentalits!

There are Plenty of Classes for Everyone to Race at their Affordability Level, but The Premier Classes - This should be the Area we promote NZ's Best Rising Young Talent to take the Leap Onto the International Scene.

With the kind of thinking on this Thread - NZ Racers will become simply Hixtorical Nostalgia.

I hate that thought with a vengance and the MNZ Leaders should be thinking of this rather than the sort of thinking that has been spued out in this column to date.

:rockon:

The Locco'n'
Motion.Jeez man, and we were worried Marcus was making a dick of HIMself and you might not approve of it.

If one of our riders gets to the top here, and then goes AMA, he can ride on your wheels there and be on level playing field. But lets think it through a bit, how is it a problem that he hasn't used them here? No one else is.

There is no advantage to allowing them. We almost all buy our spare rims second hand from the net. Compete with those prices for everyone and you might be able to swing MNZ, I know for a fact you can't match $300-$600 a rim, so you might as well give up this particular crusade and save some face.

Drew

[Crasherfromwayback]

Tell ya what else is quite awesome. All this quoting of "gyroscopic forces". If we're going to get technical (and someone else started it) there is no such thing as a gyroscopic or centrifugal "force". This was taught in 5th form physics.

Dunno about you...but I think the forces of things spinning actually does greatly affect things!

Crank inertia could be called gyroscopic force no?

[White trash]

Dunno about you...but I think the forces of things spinning actually does greatly affect things!

Crank inertia could be called gyroscopic force no?

Nope. It's called just that, inertia. Hold ya spinning bycycle wheel by the axle horizontal and tell me which way the force is acting on the wheel. Thought so, there's only two. The force of gravity and the force of your arms holding the wheel up. Forces go in one direction, not every direction.

[Shaun]

Its what I kinda eluded to before, add lightweight wheels and yes you do have to change the suspension but it realistically goes beyond that with Superbikes as wheelie control becomes the biggest headache. Little wonder that there are lots of electronic aids, that stuff is not there for show.


So obviously to your average Road rider, track day rider, average race rider, if they want there bike to handle well still, they are going to NEED suspension mods to gain the true benefit from light weight wheels, if any to be had on the race track on a 1000 with NO Traction controll etc.

And I would claim! That I could adjust a standard chassis suspension set up, to achieve better turn in, ( 76 Customers on this site alone over the last 12 months are Very happy) for way way less than a set of BLING wheels ( And they are dam cool to look at, Probbally around $250-00 would achieve this

[Pussy]

Nope. It's called just that, inertia. Hold ya spinning bycycle wheel by the axle horizontal and tell me which way the force is acting on the wheel. Thought so, there's only two. The force of gravity and the force of your arms holding the wheel up. Forces go in one direction, not every direction.

What about gyroscopic precession?

[Crasherfromwayback]

Nope. It's called just that, inertia. Hold ya spinning bycycle wheel by the axle horizontal and tell me which way the force is acting on the wheel. Thought so, there's only two. The force of gravity and the force of your arms holding the wheel up. Forces go in one direction, not every direction.

Sheesh. Should've stayed at school longer! But what happens when you try and turn said wheel while it's spinning? It only wants to go straight ahead.

[cowpoos]

Tell ya what else is quite awesome. All this quoting of "gyroscopic forces". If we're going to get technical (and someone else started it) there is no such thing as a gyroscopic or centrifugal "force". This was taught in 5th form physics.

Drew tell you that mate?? or are you making a play on the real but oddly named 'fictitious force' [inertial force].

[Drew]

I note that you can still spend - Thousands of Bucks on Suspension System Mod's that have to be tuned at everty race meeting for every track - Perhaps some FACTS ON WHAT THE COST OF ALL THESE MUTLIPLE VARIABLES CAN COST TO DEAL WITH????



One more thing, Robert gives away nearly all of the hours labour at EVERY race meeting to twiddle with the suspension of anyone that asks for his help, weather it's his gear or not. We pay for some replacement parts, but most of the time it's a swap for what we've got that is coming out, and a bribe of a bottle of wine to get to the front of the queue.

The same can be said of Shaun Harris I'm told, although I have no personal experience in dealing with him.

[cowpoos]

Nope. It's called just that, inertia. Hold ya spinning bycycle wheel by the axle horizontal and tell me which way the force is acting on the wheel. Thought so, there's only two. The force of gravity and the force of your arms holding the wheel up. Forces go in one direction, not every direction.


put water in a bucket and spin in round and round...

[White trash]

What about gyroscopic precession?

I don't think that's a "force" either is it? More like a byproduct when a spinning object is twisted or knocked on it's axis. Once again, it doesn't occur in one particular direction.

Could be wrong, I've been mistaken on a few more than one occasions

[Drew]

Drew tell you that mate?? or are you making a play on the real but oddly named 'fictitious force' [inertial force].He told me years ago, then I learnt it in physics. He just happens to be way better at retaining the info, and describing it to others.

[White trash]

put water in a bucket and spin in round and round...

It's inertia that holds the water in the bucket mate. Not a force.

Edit: Holy fuck this thread's heading off topic now.

[Drew]

put water in a bucket and spin in round and round...That's nothing more than momentum ya cock knocker. The water is trying to go directly forward from the last direction it was pushed. We've had this argument, and with Jimmy's help I won.

[White trash]

Sheesh. Should've stayed at school longer! But what happens when you try and turn said wheel while it's spinning? It only wants to go straight ahead.

I think that's the inertia once again of each point of the wheel wanting to continue in it's current trajectory. Once you've twisted it, it's then a bitch to get back to straight ahead.

But I'm reasonably confident that true forces occur in one direction at a time. I'd have to dig out my school C physics book to explain it properly but it makes pretty good sense.

[Shaun]

To The Locco'n'Motion

I have a plan that will be good for you, but Not the average broke NZ racer

I would like to contract you to become the distibutor of a Quality product manufactured by my company

Then I would require that you choose a rider to support them with, then have that rider DO HIS BEST to promote your product, on a public forum.

He could use words like this for example " There is a RUMOR" Now I do understand the difference between Rumor and a Deffinate Rule change, as most intelligent folks would, but apparently I do not fit into that group, O well. But would prefer that you promote some one using my product who does not operate on rumors, or get rude and abusive at the potentuall clients out there.

And if a debate was ever to happen on the net, I would also ask that you both DO NOT try and drag another product down to try and high light your own agenda;s please, this is the worst and lowest form of sales man ship I have ever seen.

Your product is good, fact.

[Pussy]

I don't think that's a "force" either is it? More like a byproduct when a spinning object is twisted or knocked on it's axis. Once again, it doesn't occur in one particular direction.

Could be wrong, I've been mistaken on a few more than one occasions

It is a "force", or at least the resultant.
A spinning object will move 90 degrees in the direction that the force was applied.
This tendency is the principle behind how gyroscopes in aircraft etc work

[Robert Taylor]

It is a "force", or at least the resultant.
A spinning object will move 90 degrees in the direction that the force was applied.
This tendency is the principle behind how gyroscopes in aircraft etc work

But what then is the air speed velocity of an African Swallow carrying two coconuts under its wings? And how does that affect its trajectory when pulling out of a dive?

[White trash]

It is a "force", or at least the resultant.
A spinning object will move 90 degrees in the direction that the force was applied.
This tendency is the principle behind how gyroscopes in aircraft etc work

Exactly. The resultant. It aint a force if it needed a force applied to it to create it.

[cowpoos]

Exactly. The resultant. It aint a force if it needed a force applied to it to create it.

Then with your argument gravity isn't a force then??? its a result of centripital force [edit...kinda not really now I thin k about it]....which also won't be a force???

[cowpoos]

Then with your argument gravity isn't a force then??? its a result of centripital force....which also won't be a force???

and lets be clear with this argument....a definition of a force is any influence that causes a mass to undergo a acceleration of some discription.

[cowpoos]

That's nothing more than momentum ya cock knocker. The water is trying to go directly forward from the last direction it was pushed. We've had this argument, and with Jimmy's help I won.

.by accelerating the water...its a force...of which momentum is a force. but centrifugal is the correct one.

[Shaun]

and lets be clear with this argument....a definition of a force is any influence that causes a mass to undergo a acceleration of some discription.


so you mean like when you Masturbate:shit:

[Robert Taylor]

Then with your argument gravity isn't a force then??? its a result of centripital force....which also won't be a force???

Gravity is an extra important dimension with my example of the African Swallow carrying 2 coconuts under its wings. BUT, consider if the coconuts are filled with a replacement synthetic juice of a lighter specific gravity than stock. If the coconuts are also of irregular shape and well skinned plus arranged carefully under the birds plumage they may actually enhance lift at elevated dive speeds. If the bird goes supersonic even better. So the extra lift created may more than offset the weight and therefore inertia penalty and allow a much tighter trajectory when pulling out of a dive.
A leaf could also be taken from the 1972 model year March 721X Formula 1 car that tried to minimise polar moment of inertia with mass centralisation.

( Sorry to be so flippant but this thread needed perverse hunour, especially after Jimmy, Drew and Poos went off on an inertia tangent. That Monty Python sketch always made me giggle )

[Tony.OK]

And how does that affect its trajectory when pulling out of a dive?

Oh thats just simple logic..........obviously as the coconuts are heavy and causing a downward motion............then logic dictates that if the bird rolls over so the coconuts are pointing upwards then that is the direction it will follow.

Physics + logic = answer:yes:

[Pussy]

Oh thats just simple logic..........obviously as the coconuts are heavy and causing a downward motion............then logic dictates that if the bird rolls over so the coconuts are pointing upwards then that is the direction it will follow.

Physics + logic = answer:yes:

Don't forget the ideas that Mr & Mrs Newton's boy Isaac came up with, too....

[Pussy]

Gravity is an extra important dimension with my example of the African Swallow carrying 2 coconuts under its wings. BUT, consider if the coconuts are filled with a replacement synthetic juice of a lighter specific gravity than stock. If the coconuts are also of irregular shape and well skinned plus arranged carefully under the birds plumage they may actually enhance lift at elevated dive speeds. If the bird goes supersonic even better. So the extra lift created may more than offset the weight and therefore inertia penalty and allow a much tighter trajectory when pulling out of a dive.
A leaf could also be taken from the 1972 model year March 721X Formula 1 car that tried to minimise polar moment of inertia with mass centralisation.

( Sorry to be so flippant but this thread needed perverse hunour, especially after Jimmy, Drew and Poos went off on an inertia tangent. That Monty Python sketch always made me giggle )

Robert, if you're going to talk shit, you are going to have to do better than that.

You're up against the Mairs here!......

[Tony.OK]

Don't forget the ideas that Mr & Mrs Newton's boy Isaac came up with, too....

Ya mean don't stand under a tree or a coconut will fall on your head cause a bird was gonna crash and burn?

[Pussy]

Ya mean don't stand under a tree or a coconut will fall on your head cause a bird was gonna crash and burn?
Something like that. I was away from school that day

[Tony.OK]

Something like that. I was away from school that day

No doubt dreaming of flying and playin with yer nuts:innocent:

[Pussy]

No doubt dreaming of flying and playin with yer nuts:innocent:

I WAS mute testimony to what happens if you don't get a decent education... I was an ag pilot for 17 years!

[gixerracer]

Any I want to buy a heat pump I do ya a great deal:yes:

[wharfy]

Then with your argument gravity isn't a force then??? its a result of centripital force [edit...kinda not really now I thin k about it]....which also won't be a force???

Theres no such thing as gravity...
........ the world sucks....

[Pussy]

Hmmm... I'm starting to wonder if any of this has got anything to do with light weight aftermarket wheels?....

[Ivan]

I have stood back from posting on this but something got up my nose on a post you made ehreabout no new zealanders out there doing the international thing basically what you said cant find your post you said it on but have you got your facts right??????

You do know Dominic Jone's from down South is in the AMA racing??????

And to those that say say Shaun is a selfish wanker (which I am not saying he is as I know Shaun well enough he knows I am not meaning that)

Shaun has alot of involvement in rider's if you knew how much effort he puts in and time and money is unbelievable!

I got the opportunity to pit with his team a few years back at Nationals and the ammount of people coming in and out of the pits getting bikes worked on was heaps

Plus Shaun was a big involvement of Dom Jones going over to AMA

also as of lately he has been a MASSIVE help to my younger brother who is now racing Supersport if it wasnt for Shaun's help he would not be any were near were he is.


I AM NOT trying to kiss his arse either I just get FUCKED OFF when someone who has a massive involvment in the New Zealand Racing scene is knocked as being Selfish

[gixerracer]

Any 1 Hello Please:angry:

[gixerracer]

Any 1 Hello Please:angry:

Um Hello Its gone very quiet out there someone please buy a Quality LG heatpump from me Craig here at Shirriffs Installation Ltd we do very fantastic work.
I would say you have to have one or your just not safe.:love:

[cowpoos]

Any 1 Hello Please:angry:

I'll take one if you win the superbike championship this season, even without lightweight wheels!!

[Quasievil]

Bake beans n fish fingers is a winner I say:yes:

[k14]

Lol, this thread has a few gems.

Mr Whitetrash, Inertia is not a force. It is a constant used to measure how hard a round thing is to spin (or moreso accelerate and decelerate). It is proportional to its radius and mass, hence why lightweight wheels have less inertia than standard ones. They also use 16.5" rims in motogp etc to decrease this value.

The force that is derived from the inertia value (of a wheel for instance) is angular momentum. Angular momentum is proportional to the speed something is spinning and also its inertia constant. Again this is helpful with lighter rims when you want to change direction. When an object that has angular momentum has a force appled to move it (i.e tipping into a corner) a force is created that is at right angles to the direction the wheels is spinning. This makes it harder to tip the bike into the corner etc.

What mr cowpoos is referring to is centripetal acceleration, that is what keeps the water in the bucket when spinning around. Too late to explain that any more!

Clear as mud?

[Pussy]

Lol, this thread has a few gems.

Mr Whitetrash, Inertia is not a force. It is a constant used to measure how hard a round thing is to spin (or moreso accelerate and decelerate). It is proportional to its radius and mass, hence why lightweight wheels have less inertia than standard ones. They also use 16.5" rims in motogp etc to decrease this value.

The force that is derived from the inertia value (of a wheel for instance) is angular momentum. Angular momentum is proportional to the speed something is spinning and also its inertia constant. Again this is helpful with lighter rims when you want to change direction. When an object that has angular momentum has a force appled to move it (i.e tipping into a corner) a force is created that is at right angles to the direction the wheels is spinning. This makes it harder to tip the bike into the corner etc.

What mr cowpoos is referring to is centripetal acceleration, that is what keeps the water in the bucket when spinning around. Too late to explain that any more!

Clear as mud?

Look.... bugger off if all you're going to do is make sense!

[The Locco'n'Motion]

Oh I see it now - You can't argue with the Physic's of the Issue relating to wheels so we are onto cost.

Where did you get the $4500 from???

I have prices for racers that don't look anything like that maybe nearer to two sets for that price who know's - if you don't ask you don't get.

One thing is for sure - my sock isn't full of Crap.

Choice is a wonderful thing - Hey you don't have to buy the wheels - since when is choice such a serious Crime.

And yea I think that pricing is always a two way street cost what I give for what I charge is an altogether different thing that what the big boys are doing in the USA.

I don't spend a lot of time dreaming about becoming rich from the Motorcycle Wheels business that is for sure so give me a break - with all you guys out there Broke as I shouldn't expect to either.

It astounds me though how much money gets puffed up in smoke and pissed up against a wall and by my reckoning a couple of sets of wheels could be bought from a years pusuit of that so hey its what you want at the end of the day that will drive what you spend your money on for sure.

Hey have a Great Life!

The Locco'n'Motion
:rockon:


Your full of crap... and at $4500 a set.. --> http://www.loccomotion.com/rjzc/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=81_82&products_id=210 your fucking dreaming as well...I just got a price from a large USA website that ships here...$2600 for gsxr1000 09-10 kit.

[malcy25]

Oh I see it now - You can't argue with the Physic's of the Issue relating to wheels so we are onto cost.



No, it's want vs need. You WANT to sell the wheels, you WANT us to change the rules so we NEED the wheels.

As a country, MNZ has decided we don't NEED the wheels.

Never doubted the benefit in a pure sense, but the world is not pure like that.

The same argument could be applied to carbon brakes. Wey hey guys, this'll help your bike turn better, stop better, less unsprung weight. Do we NEED them? No.

Goodnight, I'm checking out, bed calls. Thanks for the fun reading on a wet Sunday folks!

[The Locco'n'Motion]

Yea - That has hit the nail on the head for sure.

Its always a good look when you have a good Spleen Vent and Stir the Pot Up.

Bed Calls to - Cheers

Its All Good Fun.

:rockon:


No, it's want vs need. You WANT to sell the wheels, you WANT us to change the rules so we NEED the wheels.

As a country, MNZ has decided we don't NEED the wheels.

Never doubted the benefit in a pure sense, but the world is not pure like that.

The same argument could be applied to carbon brakes. Wey hey guys, this'll help your bike turn better, stop better, less unsprung weight. Do we NEED them? No.

Goodnight, I'm checking out, bed calls. Thanks for the fun reading on a wet Sunday folks!

[scracha]

Allowing an aftermarket rear shock but not aftermarket forks is a little like allowing a carbon rear rim, but not a front one isint it?

There's no hidden OEM manufacturer's agenda, it's really just about cost. Aftermarket forks are uber expensive. I thought it was pure PR bullshit but that Ohlins kit Dr Bob put on my bike will soon pay for itself as my tyres literally last twice as long yet I'm pushing them a lot harder. Can't see 4 x lightweight wheels (+ more when I crash) paying for themselves but I could be wrong.


A physics degree does not teach you how to change a tyre.

[The Locco'n'Motion]

Don't Worry - the wheels will survive the Crashes Scratcha - if they don't you probably won't either so you won't need them after that anyway! Cheers! Tee Hee!
:rockon:



There's no hidden OEM manufacturer's agenda, it's really just about cost. Aftermarket forks are uber expensive. I thought it was pure PR bullshit but that Ohlins kit Dr Bob put on my bike will soon pay for itself as my tyres literally last twice as long yet I'm pushing them a lot harder. Can't see 4 x lightweight wheels (+ more when I crash) paying for themselves

[CHOPPA]

There's no hidden OEM manufacturer's agenda, it's really just about cost. Aftermarket forks are uber expensive. I thought it was pure PR bullshit but that Ohlins kit Dr Bob put on my bike will soon pay for itself as my tyres literally last twice as long yet I'm pushing them a lot harder. Can't see 4 x lightweight wheels (+ more when I crash) paying for themselves

What if there cheaper then OEM?

[CHOPPA]

Im glad everyone has taken so much interest in a class they have nothing to do with. MNZ must have a hell of a time wading through all this sort of shit to try come up with some rules.

A meeting with the 8 riders that bothered to race the Nats and im sure we could have had no hassles

[Drew]

Im glad everyone has taken so much interest in a class they have nothing to do with. MNZ must have a hell of a time wading through all this sort of shit to try come up with some rules.

A meeting with the 8 riders that bothered to race the Nats and im sure we could have had no hasslesWe get it bro, spare wheels for your superbike are uber expensive. Find a wheel that's similar and have an engineer make it fit. Only use them when it's wet and hopefully no one will protest.

[Shaun]

Um Hello Its gone very quiet out there someone please buy a Quality LG heatpump from me Craig here at Shirriffs Installation Ltd we do very fantastic work.
I would say you have to have one or your just not safe.:love:

will you publicly devolge the exspense involved, or do we have to ask you nicely and privately:shutup:

[Robert Taylor]

With all respect tone of response has been unneccessarily combative and unconstructive.

Suzuki NZ didnt want aftermarket wheels for the soild reasons I put forward and there absolutely are no agendas beyond that. Similarly I know I can answer 100% that Yamaha NZ and Blue Wing Honda would have exactly the same opinion as they have no budget and are in retrenchment. With the public exception of Choppa ( and he is entitled to his opinion ) the over-riding opinion of riders and bill payers is we are not going there. Craig Shirriffs has got a good ride with Suzuki and when he put in his budget proposal it was approved in part because he set realistic limits in what is currently a very tight market. Cold hard reality.

And yes a lot of money does get converted into alcohol and smoking pleasures but people arent en-masse going to exchange their pleasures ( what few many have in a stressful society ) to satisfy every importers appetite for sales of high tech products. And I should know! I drink rather too much red wine and undercharge or dont charge for many of my services. But that also recognises that there is not so many people out there with huge expendable incomes and none of them are bankrolled by Eric Watson. One of the many reasons that items such as spare wheels are sourced from e-bay, begged, borrowed or stealed etc. Also, I genuinely like helping people.

I put forward comments about wheelie control and Shaun also chimed in about it, a rider that has had long experience here and overseas and has won a major international race. We have a high proportion of tracks with low grip surfaces and tight corner exits, compared to relatively fast flowing Euro tracks. That means the bikes come off the corners in low selected gears, placing an even greater emphasis on wheelie control.

When you improve one area of technology there is all too often a negative by product and other technologies have to be either modified or introduced to negate such issues. It so happens that being a distributor of a premium suspension product ( and there are more than one1 ) I get to talk to the very engineers involved in MotoGP, WSBK and WSS600. Ive also spent time contracted to Ohlins doing WSBK pre season testing.
Wheelie and traction control are 2 big issues they talk about all the time and that is why there are so many electronic aids on MotoGP and Superbikes, bikes that use lightweight wheels and in MotoGP light everything else.

At this point not too many production bikes have such sophisticated electronic controls ( although in fairness its coming ) and given the nature of our tracks its not unreasonable to ask how unwanted wheelies can be controlled without harming corner exit speeds. I would reasonably hope for a race engineers answer.

[gixerracer]

Biggles Get of the net and go to work

[gixerracer]

will you publicly devolge the exspense involved, or do we have to ask you nicely and privately:shutup:

Start @ $1995 installed:gob:

[Maido]

Was it just me or did anyone else think.....

PKNrrlyuJXY

[Shaun]

Was it just me or did anyone else think.....

PKNrrlyuJXY



YEP, I have thought about her doing that on top of me many a times

But I am a Wanker rememeber:shit:

[CHOPPA]

Start @ $1995 installed:gob:

Thats a bit steep! Id use ambientair.co.nz :innocent:

[White trash]

Thats a bit steep! Id use ambientair.co.nz :innocent:

I'd use Hickson Electrical, BG Buck, G2 Group or Upper Hutt Electrical. Cause then I'd get a commision on it........:shifty:

[Shaun]

Thats a bit steep! Id use ambientair.co.nz :innocent:



Now Now Boys, don;t start rubbishing each others product to make yours sound better, and please do not list all the quotes of the Internet about your product, untill you Fully understand it your selves

[Nonbeliever]

.
I would say you have to have one or your just not safe.:love:

LOL funny shit

[codgyoleracer]

Im glad everyone has taken so much interest in a class they have nothing to do with. MNZ must have a hell of a time wading through all this sort of shit to try come up with some rules.

A meeting with the 8 riders that bothered to race the Nats and im sure we could have had no hassles

Choppa, dont you know that just about everyone on KB can ride a superbike at 9.5/10ths ?.

"A blonde complained to the commerce commision about the invoice she got from Craig Shirriffs to pay for her heatpump?.
She insisted that Craig guaranteed her "that it would pay for itself within the first year".

[Shaun]

Choppa, dont you know that just about everyone on KB can ride a superbike at 9.5/10ths ?.

"A blonde complained to the commerce commision about the invoice she got from Craig Shirriffs to pay for her heatpump?.
She insisted that Craig guaranteed her "that it would pay for itself within the first year".



Thats that "Fulllding area" coming out in him

[Deano]

given the nature of our tracks its not unreasonable to ask how unwanted wheelies can be controlled without harming corner exit speeds. I would reasonably hope for a race engineers answer.

More pies eh Craig !!

[Maido]

To be fair, I think aftermarket lightweight heatpumps are not a good thing to introduce to the superstock home class. Allowing aftermarket dishwashers was ok, but this is no way to encourage others to take up home ownership and make the grids bigger.

[Deano]

To be fair, I think aftermarket lightweight heatpumps are not a good thing to introduce to the superstock home class. Allowing aftermarket dishwashers was ok, but this is no way to encourage others to take up home ownership and make the grids bigger.

What gives more bang for buck though, performance wise ?

I mean, the wife will love being toasty with a new heat pump, and may be more inclined to wander about the place wearing a skimpy bikini (this may be a bad thing depending on the state of your missus).

The wife would also be grateful at having to spend less time washing and drying dishes. She will have more time for say........"fluffing your cushions".

And do industry agendas have any impact in all of this ?

Oh the dilemma !!

[sugilite]

Meh, you boys with the new toys, the post classic pot belly class is where the real action is :Punk:

[cowpoos]

Im glad everyone has taken so much interest in a class they have nothing to do with. MNZ must have a hell of a time wading through all this sort of shit to try come up with some rules.

A meeting with the 8 riders that bothered to race the Nats and im sure we could have had no hassles

Get a tyre changing machine...be almost as quick!!

[BOMBER]

dunno why all you cunts are so upset about light wheels Ive seen half the posters in this thread racing , most of yas a beyond help, light wheels or lead ones.

[Owl]

dunno why all you cunts are so upset about light wheels Ive seen half the posters in this thread racing , most of yas a beyond help, light wheels or lead ones.

Ouch!

Waiting patiently while I watch you change colour.
:corn:

[Crasherfromwayback]

dunno why all you cunts are so upset about light wheels Ive seen half the posters in this thread racing , most of yas a beyond help, light wheels or lead ones.

Burst my bubble why don't ya!

[BOMBER]

Ouch!

Waiting patiently while I watch you change colour.
:corn:

lol call it as I see it
:Punk:

[CHOPPA]

dunno why all you cunts are so upset about light wheels Ive seen half the posters in this thread racing , most of yas a beyond help, light wheels or lead ones.

hahahahaha

[CHOPPA]

Get a tyre changing machine...be almost as quick!!

I can change tyres faster then a tyre machine by hand

[White trash]

dunno why all you cunts are so upset about light wheels Ive seen half the posters in this thread racing , most of yas a beyond help, light wheels or lead ones.

Lol. You're not wrong. Perhaps you'd be so kind as to let us know who you are and when you beat us then :D

[White trash]

and may be more inclined to wander about the place wearing a skimpy bikini

Woohoo! Tell her not to get dressed, I'm on my way over mate :D

[Kickaha]

I can change tyres faster then a tyre machine by hand

You might against amatuers with crap tyre changers, but I'd be very surprised if you could against someone who knows what they're doing with decent gear

I haven't seen decent tyre changing machines at a track yet

[CHOPPA]

You might against amatuers with crap tyre changers, but I'd be very surprised if you could against someone who knows what they're doing with decent gear

I haven't seen decent tyre changing machines at a track yet

I prob cant beat the world tyre changing champion on the worlds best tyre changing machine....

[cowpoos]

I prob cant beat the world tyre changing champion on the worlds best tyre changing machine....

well....the question is....does a few minutes of hassle over 5 rounds at nats = $$$$$$$$ for the wheels then??? I bet OEM arn't cheap....but....you can buy alot of beer with the savings!!!

[sugilite]

dunno why all you cunts are so upset about light wheels Ive seen half the posters in this thread racing , most of yas a beyond help, light wheels or lead ones.

Excuse me sir, does your title say "L-plate rider"? :shifty:

[BIGBOSSMAN]

For fucks sake Marcus, stop digging a hole and making an Ass of yourself :jerry:

[BOMBER]

Lol. You're not wrong. Perhaps you'd be so kind as to let us know who you are and when you beat us then :D

Im Bomber and youre not.

[White trash]

Im Bomber and youre not.

Ahhh sweet, just as I suspected. Another keyboard hero who's never actually been there but knows he could roost any field he chose to compete in because he's always the auickest to the end of his driveway on his TS125 when racing his mates. Good skills man.

[gixerracer]

Ahhh sweet, just as I suspected. Another keyboard hero who's never actually been there but knows he could roost any field he chose to compete in because he's always the auickest to the end of his driveway on his TS125 when racing his mates. Good skills man.

Thats pretty funny JAMES as this was you a couple of years back till me and Sam turned up and made you realsie your a squid:shit::yes::scooter::innocent:

[White trash]

Thats pretty funny JAMES as this was you a couple of years back till me and Sam turned up and made you realsie your a squid:shit::yes::scooter::innocent:

No YOU turned up and showed me I was a squid mate. Sam had nothing to do with it :D

[Shaun]

Choppa, give me a call mate. I have 2 sets of OEM BMW wheels with discs.

1 set I have tagged for you, the other I have offered to another friend

0226440621


PS $2500-00 a set with discs mate, and they are on there way in 2 days, I decided to buy the motor for myself for some thing one day

[BOMBER]

Choppa, give me a call mate. I have 2 sets of OEM BMW wheels with discs.

1 set I have tagged for you, the other I have offered to another friend

0226440621


PS $2500-00 a set with discs mate, and they are on there way in 2 days, I decided to buy the motor for myself for some thing one day

Where the fuck can you get those? like people have them lying around in the sheds .............not
I got a full superman suit in my shed with kryptonite defensive sheilds installed, anyone can buy these of me for $2500, let me know if anyone is interested.

[Robert Taylor]

Where the fuck can you get those? like people have them lying around in the sheds .............not
I got a full superman suit in my shed with kryptonite defensive sheilds installed, anyone can buy these of me for $2500, let me know if anyone is interested.

I think the way that what you have said can be interpreted needs an apology from yourself.
( Of course its easy to type behind an internet pseudonym )

Shaun has many racing contacts overseas because he has spent so much time racing overseas. Im going to guess like you have ( whoever the hell you are ) but without inference. Shaun likely knows a BMW team that has bought lightweight wheels and has the oem wheels surplus. Similarly I have established many useful contacts overseas because Ive spent so much time overseas, thats how it all works.

I well know that Shaun can be a little mischievous and haphazard at times but he earns respect for having over the years selflessly helped a lot of people and being up front about who he is.

[CHOPPA]

I think the way that what you have said can be interpreted needs an apology from yourself.
( Of course its easy to type behind an internet pseudonym )

Shaun has many racing contacts overseas because he has spent so much time racing overseas. Im going to guess like you have ( whoever the hell you are ) but without inference. Shaun likely knows a BMW team that has bought lightweight wheels and has the oem wheels surplus. Similarly I have established many useful contacts overseas because Ive spent so much time overseas, thats how it all works.

I well know that Shaun can be a little mischievous and haphazard at times but he earns respect for having over the years selflessly helped a lot of people and being up front about who he is.

He was right on the money though RT ;) $1200 Deposit paid but wheel deal fell through the next day, apparently we getting a full refund. Thought was there though

[Shaun]

He was right on the money though RT ;) $1200 Deposit paid but wheel deal fell through the next day, apparently we getting a full refund. Thought was there though



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[Quasievil]

This will be my last post on here, any one wants me, pick up ya phone or email me



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[CHOPPA]

Your Sponsor IS getting his money back!!!!!!!!!!!




The INUENDOS that are popping up here, show me I must be doing some thing wrong by trying to GENUINELY help people.

This will be my last post on here, any one wants me, pick up ya phone or email me


Thanks to all that have done SAFE GENUINE Buisness with me

Thanks to all on here that supported my family after my -uck up

Im sure he will, I have no reason to believe otherwise?

[Sidewinder]

we just run light weight tyres, does the same trick:shifty:

[The Locco'n'Motion]

we just run light weight tyres, does the same trick:shifty:

Yow There Sidewinder - Imagine though just for second what would happen if you ran Lightened Wheels and Tyres given of course that Wheels have a broader Plan of Mass than a tyre does across the Diameter of the Wheel. Carrozzeria Wheels Have a Whole Lot More of their Mass small though it is - at the centre of the wheel, so Hey you could blow off a few more competitors using both these items and a finely tuned suspension set up - Now would'nt that just be a winning formula for race efforts. Mind you it is only physics and not me just carping on about my really great product!!! :rockon:

[Crasherfromwayback]

, so Hey you could blow off a few more competitors

Think he's blown them all anyway.

[CHOPPA]

we just run light weight tyres, does the same trick:shifty:

We run the heavy ones actually ;)

[White trash]

Hey you could blow off a few more competitors

Sidewinder's renowned for blowing competitors in the pits, doesn't need lightened wheels for that. Choppa seems to do alright ontrack thus far without lightened wheels too :D

[Sidewinder]

Sidewinder's renowned for blowing competitors in the pits, doesn't need lightened wheels for that. Choppa seems to do alright ontrack thus far without lightened wheels too :D

yea just put more air in them and they will be lighter

[Sidewinder]

We run the heavy ones actually ;)

i know thats why we get you to race with the 2nd hand ones because they have less rubber. my thought on light rims is like having a light or no fly wheel heaps of top end but no tourque

[Robert Taylor]

Yow There Sidewinder - Imagine though just for second what would happen if you ran Lightened Wheels and Tyres given of course that Wheels have a broader Plan of Mass than a tyre does across the Diameter of the Wheel. Carrozzeria Wheels Have a Whole Lot More of their Mass small though it is - at the centre of the wheel, so Hey you could blow off a few more competitors using both these items and a finely tuned suspension set up - Now would'nt that just be a winning formula for race efforts. Mind you it is only physics and not me just carping on about my really great product!!! :rockon:

Hey Loco, no-one for one minute doubts that such wheels are great. I think Choppa has eluded to it further along about lightweight tyres. He was obliquely referring to Dunlops that have a heavy carcass. Thats a disadvantage but arguably the Dunlops have strengths in other areas that more than make up for the weight and inertia penalty.
I agree with you about the distribution of mass.

[Robert Taylor]

i know thats why we get you to race with the 2nd hand ones because they have less rubber. my thought on light rims is like having a light or no fly wheel heaps of top end but no tourque

Thats an interesting comment about light flywheels and I guess you are referring to 4 stroke motors. In a 2 stroke its not quite the same. If you lighten the flywheel the motor will spin up faster ( and pop wheelies too readily ) but will lose a lot of over-rev after peak torque. That because there is less inertia to let the motor rev on as the expansion chamber tuned length is past its peak.

[CHOPPA]

How about we fill the tyres with helium?:doobey:

[Sidewinder]

Thats an interesting comment about light flywheels and I guess you are referring to 4 stroke motors. In a 2 stroke its not quite the same. If you lighten the flywheel the motor will spin up faster ( and pop wheelies too readily ) but will lose a lot of over-rev after peak torque. That because there is less inertia to let the motor rev on as the expansion chamber tuned length is past its peak.

just dont forget to bring your jug

[Sidewinder]

How about we fill the tyres with helium?:doobey:

done deal!!!!!!:sick:

[Crasherfromwayback]

How about we fill the tyres with helium?:doobey:

You should be using nitrogen!

[CHOPPA]

You should be using nitrogen!

Tried it but it doesnt work unless you vac the tyres and thats too much hassle

[Crasherfromwayback]

Fair enough. I wonder if the GP and World Supers teams use it?

[Kickaha]

Tried it but it doesnt work unless you vac the tyres and thats too much hassle

You should be able to get around 98-99% nitrogen in it without any special gear, we've tested at work and that's what we end up with

[cowpoos]

You should be able to get around 98-99% nitrogen in it without any special gear, we've tested at work and that's what we end up with

and your to fat for lightweight wheels to make a difference!! eat some celery tubby...you'll go faster!!

[CHOPPA]

You should be able to get around 98-99% nitrogen in it without any special gear, we've tested at work and that's what we end up with

Well if thats the case it still changes pressure the same as air

[Drew]

Well if thats the case it still changes pressure the same as airNope, nitrogen remains more constant through a wider range of temperature. That's why it is used, and you should have some bottles in your line of work.

[roogazza]

You should be using nitrogen!
We tried it at the 76 Castrol 6 hr. in a Z1. But went upside down after an hour and never tried it again. G.

[scracha]

and your to fat for lightweight wheels to make a difference!! eat some celery tubby...you'll go faster!!
We've been down this road before Poos.


Want the lightest rolling mass for least cost...then try hydrogen....just don't crash and go easy with the tyre warmers :-)