Harawira - proof that racism comes in all shapes, sizes and colours

[motor_mayhem]

http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/7688308/harawira-not-comfortable-with-kids-dating-pakeha/

Does anyone think this guy can offer anything worth while to NZ politics?

I wish JK would lay the smack down and tell the Maori Party that if they don't get rid of him (Harawira) then he will go elsewhere for support. It would be a rough few months but on that pretense I think the Nats would govern alone after next election. They would have my vote anyway

[oldrider]

I wouldn't read too much into that, it's no more than most parents would feel about who their kids come home with.
I would feel the same toward my grandchildren too and they are part Maori anyway!
When they do eventually bring home their preferred "partners" they will be made welcome and accepted into the family anyway!

I don't believe Honi is a Maori trueblood anyway but what does that matter? :mellow:

[HQfiend]

Makes you wonder how long this intolerant, racist, separatist will be in parliament. Wouldn't surprise me if he asked for apartheid for the far north so they can develop at their own speed. This kind of attitude is what holds back the concept of one nation of kiwi's (or New Zealanders if you prefer) rather than them and us bro!

Oh and there aren't any true/full blood Maori and hasn't been for about 50 years!

[rainman]

Does anyone think this guy can offer anything worth while to NZ politics?

I understand he's quite popular in his constituency.


I wish JK would lay the smack down and tell the Maori Party that if they don't get rid of him (Harawira) then he will go elsewhere for support. It would be a rough few months...

I think you misunderstand the relationship with the MP.

I usually quite like Hone (entertainment value), but yes, he's being a racist arse in this case if you ask me.

[Trudes]

Makes you wonder how long this intolerant, racist, separatist will be in parliament. Wouldn't surprise me if he asked for apartheid for the far north so they can develop at their own speed. This kind of attitude is what holds back the concept of one nation of kiwi's (or New Zealanders if you prefer) rather than them and us bro!

Oh and there aren't any true/full blood Maori and hasn't been for about 50 years!
The thing is though, if I understand correctly the brainwashing they attempt at Uni, is that Maori leaders don't want a united nation, one nation, one people; they want an "us and them" situation, they want Maori rights as Tangata whenua and all the extras that comes with. But remember, it's only white folks that are racist.

[MSTRS]

I understand he's quite popular in his constituency.


Because he feeds their fears, desires and prejudices.
Just like Don Brash did in Orewa.

[duckonin]

I usually quite like Hone (entertainment value), but yes, he's being a racist arse in this case if you ask me.

He is a racist arse in every case !!! Fuck he learn't well from his mother...

[Banditbandit]

Harawira - proof that racism comes in all shapes, sizes and colours

Yeah .. just like on KB .. racism is alive and well ...

[bogan]

"I wouldn't feel comfortable. Like all Pakehas would be happy with their daughters coming home with a Maori boy? And the answer is they wouldn't," he said.

thats only cos the pakehas would then have to keep a close eye on him so he doesn't nick all their shit, which is not racist, just practical :shifty:

The fact that he hasn't been kicked out, suggests to me the maori party want the same things he does, which seems like a free ride for their people.

[SS90]

thats only cos the pakehas would then have to keep a close eye on him so he doesn't nick all their shit, which is not racist, just practical :shifty:

The fact that he hasn't been kicked out, suggests to me the maori party want the same things he does, which seems like a free ride for their people.

You know, it's common for Polititians to make dangerous statements to get issues "out in the air" (Michael Laws springs to mind), but I just can't shake the feeling that Harawira actually believes what he says.

If I was Maori, I would be embarrassed by his statements.

I am sure his statement is not typical of Maori, and I know they are not in line with any Maori person I know personally.

[motor_mayhem]

Yeah .. just like on KB .. racism is alive and well ...

So you're telling us this justifies Hone's actions?

[avgas]

Oh and there aren't any true/full blood Maori and hasn't been for about 50 years!
Bummer then - So Hone's kids are just going to have to be a pack of wankers then

[avgas]

But remember, it's only white folks that are racist.
Shhhhhh its a secret.
I still laugh to this day at the people who call me racist.
Yep I am racist, so is my Chinese wife, and so are my indian/korean/japanese/Maori/Samoan......... friends.
But me being racist does not stop the finger pointers from being stupid.

[avgas]

I understand he's quite popular in his constituency.
So is unemployment, and sky tv - whats your point.

[scissorhands]

Seems like everyones a racist:innocent: except for the politically correct John Key.....bless him:whocares:

[idb]

I wouldn't want my kid coming home with a Harawira, never mind what race he is.

[MSTRS]

I wouldn't want my kid coming home with a Harawira, never mind what race he is.

"Put that down. You don't know where it's been!"

[Crasherfromwayback]

Bummer then - So Hone's kids are just going to have to be a pack of wankers then

With a father like him...they couldn't be anything else.

[mashman]

I don't know him, not been here long enough to see many of his tirades. But all I can see is a guy saying he'd rather his kids kept to their own ethnic group when it comes to "dating"... He's absolutely right too in the eyes of many people, IF they were to tell the truth... Personally I care not... but in the context of the article, they may as well be discussing a Protestant being invited into a Catholic household (and they can both be White :))... there's no real difference. For me, it looks like he's expressing his preference and not dictating what ethnic group his kids can and can't get all interracial with...

[spajohn]

I wouldn't want my kid coming home with a Harawira, never mind what race he is.

Not liking a cunt doesn't make you racist.

We are talking about Hone Harawira, I mean, John Hatfield, here aren't we!? LOL

[Banditbandit]

So you're telling us this justifies Hone's actions?

Whatever gave you that idea ? I was simply pointing out that people on Kiwibiker are racist too

[Banditbandit]

With a father like him...they couldn't be anything else.

Gee .. I wonder what your kids will be like then ...

[Crasherfromwayback]

Gee .. I wonder what your kids will be like then ...

Probably a whole lot better looking and smarter than yours.

[bogan]

I don't know him, not been here long enough to see many of his tirades. But all I can see is a guy saying he'd rather his kids kept to their own ethnic group when it comes to "dating"... He's absolutely right too in the eyes of many people, IF they were to tell the truth... Personally I care not... but in the context of the article, they may as well be discussing a Protestant being invited into a Catholic household (and they can both be White :))... there's no real difference. For me, it looks like he's expressing his preference and not dictating what ethnic group his kids can and can't get all interracial with...

you can't draw similarities between race and religion, religion actually affects a persons behaviour etc, whereas race only affects the color of the skin.

[BoristheBiter]

He' not saying anything new.

The KKK have been talking this type of shit for years, just both sides are now in agreement.

[Virago]

...race only affects the color of the skin.

So racial discrimination is just a pigment of the imagination...?

[Trudes]

I don't know him, not been here long enough to see many of his tirades. But all I can see is a guy saying he'd rather his kids kept to their own ethnic group when it comes to "dating"... He's absolutely right too in the eyes of many people, IF they were to tell the truth... Personally I care not... but in the context of the article, they may as well be discussing a Protestant being invited into a Catholic household (and they can both be White :))... there's no real difference. For me, it looks like he's expressing his preference and not dictating what ethnic group his kids can and can't get all interracial with...

Agree..... except I can just imagine the uproar if the shoe was on the other foot and Key said that he wouldn't be too happy if one of his kids started dating a Maori.:shit:

[mashman]

Agree..... except I can just imagine the uproar if the shoe was on the other foot and Key said that he wouldn't be too happy if one of his kids started dating a Maori.:shit:

lol, very true... but is wise old Johnny telling the truth (la da da da daaaaaa... i'm doubtin it)? We know Hone is :)... Hone only said he wouldn't be comfortable with it... and if the only "white" people he knows, or has ever really associated with are politicians :shifty: are you surprised at his perception?

[Trudes]

lol, very true... but is wise old Johnny telling the truth (la da da da daaaaaa... i'm doubtin it)? We know Hone is :)... Hone only said he wouldn't be comfortable with it... and if the only "white" people he knows, or has ever really associated with are politicians :shifty: are you surprised at his perception?

All good points. Maybe a truer statement is really that politicians are all just arseholes and some are just better liars than others. ;)

[mashman]

you can't draw similarities between race and religion, religion actually affects a persons behaviour etc, whereas race only affects the color of the skin.

Why not? I pretty sure the attitudes behind racial and religious differences are basically the same... a condescending marginalisation of everyone that is not part of your "group"...

[mashman]

All good points. Maybe a truer statement is really that politicians are all just arseholes and some are just better liars than others. ;)

Nooooooo... that's a fact :laugh:

[bogan]

So racial discrimination is just a pigment of the imagination...?

ahahaha, I do enjoy a good pun! and no, there are racial traits, but just because somebody af a certain race turns up on your doorstep, doesn't mean they have those traits. If your daughter is into them surely it's worth getting to know them before passing judgement?


Why not? I pretty sure the attitudes behind racial and religious differences are basically the same... a condescending marginalisation of everyone that is not part of your "group"...

yes, but you are in a religious group by choice (for adults anyway), not so with race, meaning religous people embrace the traits associated with thier group, whereas those of a certain race may not have any of the racial traits.

[DMNTD]

The KKK have been talking this type of shit for years, just both sides are now in agreement.

Exactly...but in this country it's ok to have a whole political party that promotes segregation in one form or another. :mellow:

[BoristheBiter]

Exactly...but in this country it's ok to have a whole political party that promotes segregation in one form or another. :mellow:

of course, only white people can be racist, didn't you know that.

[Banditbandit]

Probably a whole lot better looking and smarter than yours.

Mate .. I've been smart enough to get to 55-years-old without any kids ...

[BoristheBiter]

Mate .. I've been smart enough to get to 55-years-old without any kids ...

Sounds smart to me

[Crasherfromwayback]

Mate .. I've been smart enough to get to 55-years-old without any kids ...

Hahaha...well I'm 43 and haven't built any yet. No plans to either.

[MSTRS]

you can't draw similarities between race and religion, religion actually affects a persons behaviour etc, whereas race only affects the color of the skin.

You probably can, actually. It's a fine line.
Religious nutters, and Maori like the Harewira family, have a collective attitude. One that in their eyes marks them as being superior, and more worthy, than those who are not in their group.
To define someone as 'maori' may not be as simple as the colour of their skin etc. There are plenty that refuse to fit the stereotype, and are sometimes known as Brown Pakeha because of it.

[Banditbandit]

Hahaha...well I'm 43 and haven't built any yet. No plans to either.

So .. your kids will be just as smart as mine ..a big fat zero ... :shifty:

[Crasherfromwayback]

So .. your kids will be just as smart as mine ..a big fat zero ... :shifty:

My kids would be...an accident!

[avgas]

Exactly...but in this country it's ok to have a whole political party that promotes segregation in one form or another. :mellow:
I don't see why not. I mean if there can be a whole voting system dedicated to what side of the fence you grew up on, why not a political party that caters to that particular system.
Bit like Busses and Bus lanes.










.....when a subway would have been better :shifty:

[bogan]

You probably can, actually. It's a fine line.
Religious nutters, and Maori like the Harewira family, have a collective attitude. One that in their eyes marks them as being superior, and more worthy, than those who are not in their group.
To define someone as 'maori' may not be as simple as the colour of their skin etc. There are plenty that refuse to fit the stereotype, and are sometimes known as Brown Pakeha because of it.

I see what you're saying, but it still means projecting the traits of a subset of maoris onto the whole population of them and judging them for it, as you would see a maori on your daughters arm long before you recognise him as a brown pakeha.

[Rogue Rider]

Ol Hone is stuck so far up his jaxi that he can't see the wood through the trees. Unlike the pretext to the horse manure he shrouds, most parents don't have too much to do with who their kids partner up with or Marry.
As with John Key, If my kids, either of them came home with Asian, Island, Maori, Russian or whoever. I wouldn't judge them by there race nor gender.
We might hold concerns of their intentions, but our trust is always in their good judgment and character that we instilled in them.
Sadly, Hone Harawira is blatantly racist and narrow minded. He hold little in the view point or form for any ethnicity other than his own, who I might reinforce and point out are migrants also, with only inhabiting these fine shores for the past 835 years or so. Yes the English treaty was flawed, but alot less so than what would have happened if it were French rule, or heaven forbit left in the the hands of the sealers and whalers......
The English or French crusaders however treated the local ethnicity folk not that much different to the way Maori treated Moriori when they arrived, only as I understsand, no Maori were eatin by the English or French....
In this day and age, if cultures can't form peace and get along off each other benefits culturally together then its going to be a sad hard slog.
.
Personally, there is no room in todays society for racism. We are all of the same creed just here through different routes. Ultimately, we had to have come from 2 people so somehow we are all related via around 6-8 millenniums mathematically.
Equal rights to all I say. I am a 5th generation NZer, and I have a chinese friend who is a 6th generation who's forefathers worked in the mines on the west coast of sth island in 1830's. I would say thats long enough to know some shit.

Also, I know that its not fair that you sold a heap of land for some clapped out muskets and some blankets, however its also not fair that my Triumph Speed Triple is no longer worth the 17k I paid for it, and there are now newer betterbikes I could have now for the same price. Regret is a sad reality consequence of poor decision making. If your generations past made some dumb decisions, make better ones.

[Conquiztador]

Sadly there is not much hope when laws and rules are made to cater for your heritage.

We run a childcare centre. Up until beginning of 2010 all the teachers in training could apply for a study grant to use for study costs from Ministery of Education.

This grant is still available but only for Maori teachers in training. Currently we have three teachers in training. Only the two who have Maori in them were able to apply, not the pakeha girl. They both got $3K each. And please note that we are talking about a grant from the government.

I have always wondered how a "New Zealand European Rugby Team" would be looked at...

[Patrick]

I don't know him, not been here long enough to see many of his tirades. But all I can see is a guy saying he'd rather his kids kept to their own ethnic group when it comes to "dating"... He's absolutely right too in the eyes of many people, IF they were to tell the truth... Personally I care not... but in the context of the article, they may as well be discussing a Protestant being invited into a Catholic household (and they can both be White :))... there's no real difference. For me, it looks like he's expressing his preference and not dictating what ethnic group his kids can and can't get all interracial with...

"One people" and all that... But not for Hone.....

The fighting between churches has always puzzled me. Isn't "their" god the same one as "the others" god....? Or am I getting "Lost" again...? :blink:

[MSTRS]

The fighting between churches has always puzzled me. Isn't "their" god the same one as "the others" god....?

Of course. But OUR way of worshipping is the right way...