Yamaha Jog versus Suzuki UZ50?

[Slunk]

Hi guys!
Bit if a shame that scooters are deemed "off topic" here but anyhow..

I'm in a bit of a dilemma, looking at getting a new 50cc to use for my 10min flat commute to work.

Took a uz50 for a spin yesterday and a jog out today and I'd have to say they were pretty damn similar powerwise. I was expecting the jog to be more peppy but it really wasn't.

So I'm looking for a bit of advice on the two really.

I can get the suzuki for $2000 on the road or the yamaha will be $2370 on the road.

The only way I can distinguish between them is the yamaha can fit the helmet under the seat, while the suzuki can't - wtf? also the yamaha has front disc and is better looking imho. The suzuki is alot cheaper and it is a bit quieter being a 4 stroke.

I want a bike that can comfortably do 60km/hm- that's about it really, I dont think I'll be going as far as 70cc or larger kits and other go faster bits.

So those of you with either, please chime in!

btw I'd rather not fit a top box to the suzuki

[AllanB]

Can you get snow tyres for them? Could be a deal breaker in Dunedin!

Either or really both have been around for ages and are proven performers (so to speak) - Sounds to me like you were more impressed with the Yammy, but for the price difference between them you could probably run the Suzuki for 5 years!

There is probably F-all profit for the shop in a $2k scooter but don't be afraid to try to get the Yamaha dealer to get closer to the Suzuki or throw in some 'goodies' like a Yoshi pipe, sport tyres etc - oops I mean helmet, gloves. :innocent:

[Slunk]

Fortunately the suzuki just dropped $450 to $2000, Yamaha guy won't budge on price but will chuck in a helmet, however I already have one, so doesn't help much. Might be able to get something else.

Either will get derestricted. However both restricted scooters happily got to 60km/h. Can I expect a noticeable difference once derestricted?

I was just looking at the white jog Aaron had (links about it in this thread: http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/105582-Speeding-up-the-Jog) with all the trick bits. Looked pretty sweet, specially the speedo - i can't imagine how annoying it would be to have a scooter constantly off the clock.

Tomorrow I might take the suzuki up the same hill I took the jog, then i have a good comparison. But I've got to admit the 4 stroke is much nicer on the ears.

[danchop]

dont be too harsh on the dealers not budging much on price,those little scooters have next to no profit in them anyway

[allycatz]

Why bother de-restricting? Why not shop around for say a 125 or 150 scooter. Yeah youll have to get ya licence but at least you will have it and get bored and want a real bike

[nadroj]

I rode both before buying the Jog for my son to commute to school a while back. The disc brake and build quality was the difference.

[Slunk]

Cheers for the responses,

Reasons why i don't want to get a 125cc: License, WOF's and Rego ($405 vs $169)

I had a 125cc in Taiwan for 3 years and it was a great machine, however it doesn't make sense to me in my present situation. A 50cc will serve my purposes fine.

The reason for me to derestrict a 50cc is so that it can reach 50km/h faster and it can sit on 60km/h more happily.

Looks like it will come down to whether the extra $200-300 for better brakes and storage is worth it.

[Spearfish]

To de-restrict a std jog get the dealer to leave the washer out of the exhaust, there is no spacer in the variator. jogs are rev limited so anything else just helps take-off speed.

I did just on 11,000kms in about year and a half with a jog and pulled the barrel off for a we look (only to put a better cylinder back on), apart from a little carbon it was mint.
I've had some 400km days with the thing pinned without any probs.
It uses about 1ltr of 2t oil every 1000ks so good fully synth oil is worth the expense.
Will go around 160km before the tank is dry (flat out)
Tyres last around 6-7000ks
Drive belts around the same
After the first two services you can do it at home.
Insurance is only 120 full cover. The Jog has an physical rear wheel lock that works off the key so insurance Company's will accept as an mobiliser for a discount. It doesnt stop it being carried off though.

On the silly side, jogs are raced overseas (22+hp!) so there are shyt loads of go faster parts so much so that often go faster parts are cheaper than stock replacements.
Jamaha jog engines are a mineralli design/build and copied by most other 2t brands and parts often swap making a larger pool of components.

[Slunk]

To de-restrict a std jog get the dealer to leave the washer out of the exhaust, there is no spacer in the variator. jogs are rev limited so anything else just helps take-off speed.

I did just on 11,000kms in about year and a half with a jog and pulled the barrel off for a we look (only to put a better cylinder back on), apart from a little carbon it was mint.
I've had some 400km days with the thing pinned without any probs.
It uses about 1ltr of 2t oil every 1000ks so good fully synth oil is worth the expense.
Will go around 160km before the tank is dry (flat out)
Tyres last around 6-7000ks
Drive belts around the same
After the first two services you can do it at home.
Insurance is only 120 full cover. The Jog has an physical rear wheel lock that works off the key so insurance Company's will accept as an mobiliser for a discount. It doesnt stop it being carried off though.

On the silly side, jogs are raced overseas (22+hp!) so there are shyt loads of go faster parts so much so that often go faster parts are cheaper than stock replacements.
Jamaha jog engines are a mineralli design/build and copied by most other 2t brands and parts often swap making a larger pool of components.

Thanks mate!! lots of good info there, especially about the insurance, what company is that with ? and where/why did you do 400km's in a day?

The jog managed 45km/h up High Street (a steep street here in Dunedin) while the Suzuki only did a pitiful 30km/h, so I think my mind is made up. Also the suzuki felt kinda cheap, the grey plastic at the front feels like it will snap off if you look at it funny, spongy brakes despite only having 45kms on it, plus it doesn't even have a fuel gauge, just a warning light when you get down to 0.8L

Any drawbacks to the jog i may not be aware of ?

what gets done at the first service? they guy quoted $140, what do they need to do exactly?

[Pogo2]

Have a look at scooterreview.com. NZ website but has alot of overseas visitors.

They will have a comparision of the Suzuki vs Jog.

Guessing but the Jog will possibly win. Everyone seems happy with them as a 50cc scoot.

Enjoy!

[danchop]

dont bother taking it in for a first service unless you dont know how to adjust things,pump your tyres up and maybe have a gork at the spug plug

[cave weta]

Where is Carver when you need him?:innocent:
He has doubled the top speed on a JOG

[Gibbo89]

having ridden 4 stroke and 2 stroke scooters, you should get the jog man. 2 strokes will take off a lot better at the lights etc. and the fact that the helmet fits under the seat is a biggy. pretty annoying carrying around the helmet when the jog has a bigger boot. 2 stroke will handle those big arse hills a lot better too. you'll get used to the noise of the 2 stoke scooter.

[danchop]

yes how else are you going to take a hot chick for a ride if you cant pack a spare helmet under the seat

[geoffm]

Spring for a big top box as well - very handy if you are commuting. I have a large size Cnell one from Trademe on my 50. Holds a helmet, lunch and the jacket goes under the seat.

[Spearfish]

Thanks mate!! lots of good info there, especially about the insurance, what company is that with ? and where/why did you do 400km's in a day?

The jog managed 45km/h up High Street (a steep street here in Dunedin) while the Suzuki only did a pitiful 30km/h, so I think my mind is made up. Also the suzuki felt kinda cheap, the grey plastic at the front feels like it will snap off if you look at it funny, spongy brakes despite only having 45kms on it, plus it doesn't even have a fuel gauge, just a warning light when you get down to 0.8L

Any drawbacks to the jog i may not be aware of ?

what gets done at the first service? they guy quoted $140, what do they need to do exactly?

I went with state for no other reason than I've got other stuff with them the odd time I've needed to claim they didn't give me any probs. (non bike though)

The 400 km trips were just for fun, there are at least two other Jogs that have gone way further "Carver" is one.

The first two should be at the dealer you purchase it from just to cover the warranty.

Take the first 500ks reasonably gently but don't baby it, you have a fresh engine to run in, new tyres to scrub and believe it or not the drive belt needs to be run in a bit as well.
Most of the time your riding it like you stole it so maintain the simple stuff like the air filter (washable), plug, gear oil. Tyre pressure makes a difference. If your right into DIY get a cable lube tool.

There are plenty of good second hand ones around that will save a few bucks some with a givi box on the back.

[Slunk]

There's an '08 jog in Invercargill for $1500, done 1600kms. Would that be a good deal compared to a new one for $2300 but has 12 month warranty?

[Spearfish]

There's an '08 jog in Invercargill for $1500, done 1600kms. Would that be a good deal compared to a new one for $2300 but has 12 month warranty?

Just do the usual checks and negotiate.
Mine is an 08
There are scoots around with well over 30,000 kms and still going so 1600ks isn't much.

[nadroj]

Sold my 05 on friday for $1k. Still on it's original front & 2nd rear tyre.

[DangerMice]

I do about 1000km a month on my Jog and it's a legend. The disc brake makes a huge difference. Apart from the usual servicing I've only had to replace the rear tyre (got a nail, but it was worn anyway) which cost $40, cheap as. +1 on everything Spearfish said.

[thetackleman]

I am riding a 1998 Suzuki address way ..........

The 2010 / 2011 Yamahas are good because they are all 2 stroke
But most of the new suzukis are 4 stroke ..... I find that they go slower than 2 strokes ???

[Zipper2T]

I am riding a 1998 Suzuki address way ..........

The 2010 / 2011 Yamahas are good because they are all 2 stroke
But most of the new suzukis are 4 stroke ..... I find that they go slower than 2 strokes ???

Agreed. Unless it's dead flat, a moped class scooter reallly needs a 2 stroke engine. It gives that little extra margin of speed and hill climbing ability.
Although I believe the UZ50 is slighty above the usual 4 stroke scooters of that capacity, in that it is fuel injected.