Ebay vs Trade me

[rapid van cleef]

hey, ive been trawling the net looking for candidates for new levers for me bike and ive found this cool site called ebay. ..........ahem

would you believe my suprise when i found a supplier selling biker levers for under 100 bucks inc shipping from china. the EXACT same levers are on trade me from a kiwi supplier for 170 bucks plus pnp.

They are described as being as good as Pazzo, they look cool. and the trade me site has heaps of info on them.

Buy NZ??????????..........................I dont bloody think so!

[BOMBER]

hey, ive been trawling the net looking for candidates for new levers for me bike and ive found this cool site called ebay. ..........ahem

would you believe my suprise when i found a supplier selling biker levers for under 100 bucks inc shipping from china. the EXACT same levers are on trade me from a kiwi supplier for 170 bucks plus pnp.

They are described as being as good as Pazzo, they look cool. and the trade me site has heaps of info on them.

Buy NZ??????????..........................I dont bloody think so!

China are really good at making quality bikes and parts eh so go for it

Anyway Brake levers arent important when they fail

[rapid van cleef]

ok matey. you tell me which levers i should get then, who supplies them and how much and what guarantees they have against failure compared to any imported brands. then compare that to the standard levers on my bike that are not brand new and have been used for almost 30,000km?

the point i was maiking is not the product itself, rather the fact that someone is trying to sell the exact same product here in NZ for 70% more than i can buy from ebay. I'm all for buying NZ etc but what the hell is the point when people are charging excessively for their product?

[NighthawkNZ]

Globlism... will kill local markets... and will continue to do so...

If the NZ market buys from the same place you do they have to put a mark up on else what is the point...

The one thing is if you buy in NZ you still have the gurantee of the NZ consumers act etc... buy off eBay and you have nothing

[avgas]

I have a hunk of metal with a pin in it sitting on my desk.
What type of bike brand do you want stamped into it - whole thing will cost you $20

[rapid van cleef]

Theres a huge difference between a mark up and charging way above and over what i would,deem reasonable. Is it just me or does anyone else think that 70% mark up is too much? id be happy to pay maybe 10-20 bucks more for such an item to keep it local. not 70 bucks more. i dont care about the brand. im not a 'bling' person. i rarely buy brand name goods for anything really. it depends on the item. The actual item in question is irrelvant here, simply a point about people often comment about keeping cash in NZ. thats great, im all for that, but what incentive is there if someone is setting up a business to sel goods here in nz(so they are obviously buying in bulk) then attempting to sell on at an enormous mark up. ridiculous

[bogan]

yeh I find ebay is pretty good, sooner or later they should close the gst loophole to event things out a bit. With huge markup like that, and buying from TM anyway I'd definitely be using ebay.

[nutjob]

If he is actually managing to sell items on TradeMe with a 70% mark up, then good on him! As someone who has purchased plenty of items on Ebay in the past, you always take the risk that the item won't be as described, may turn up damaged, or may not even turn up at all! (I have had several problems with items from China) :angry:
Buying from somone in NZ should give you a bit more piece of mind and back up service if there is a problem :yes: It just depends how much more you are willing to pay for this.
If you really think that the item is too dear, then just buy it from Ebay and let the man go about his business :niceone:

[jellywrestler]

The one thing is if you buy in NZ you still have the gurantee of the NZ consumers act etc... buy off eBay and you have nothing
paypal has a reasonable trading policy and refund service

[jellywrestler]

Theres a huge difference between a mark up and charging way above and over what i would,deem reasonable. Is it just me or does anyone else think that 70% mark up is too much? id be happy to pay maybe 10-20 bucks more for such an item to keep it local. not 70 bucks more. i dont care about the brand. im not a 'bling' person. i rarely buy brand name goods for anything really. it depends on the item. The actual item in question is irrelvant here, simply a point about people often comment about keeping cash in NZ. thats great, im all for that, but what incentive is there if someone is setting up a business to sel goods here in nz(so they are obviously buying in bulk) then attempting to sell on at an enormous mark up. ridiculous

are you old enough to drink? Tell me how come when I go on the piss I payt more for a pint of beer in a pub than I do for the same quantity at a wholesaler? Then when I get a taxi home It costs me way more than the petrol used during this trip.
Maybe you can enlighten me with your wise words?

[avgas]

are you old enough to drink? Tell me how come when I go on the piss I payt more for a pint of beer in a pub than I do for the same quantity at a wholesaler? Then when I get a taxi home It costs me way more than the petrol used during this trip.
Maybe you can enlighten me with your wise words?
Have to agree with Jelly a bit here.
If we all walked around just paying for what we want/use......we all would be farmers and going to trademarkets.
70% mark-up is reasonable when you consider the following
take out your 15% GST = 55%
take out any shipping charges (roughly 20%) = 35%
take out any admin costs (roughly 30%) = 5%

So you are only paying an actual profit figure of 5%, kinda scary really. And if a business only grows by 5%.....its still considered as doing well.

[imdying]

Wow, someone is trying to make a dollar... how dare they :rolleyes:

Making as much profit as you can, that's business....


However, rapid van cleef, I'm far more interested in why a parasite like you thinks it's ok to support a business based on stealing the hard work of others?

[Jonno.]

are you old enough to drink? Tell me how come when I go on the piss I payt more for a pint of beer in a pub than I do for the same quantity at a wholesaler? Then when I get a taxi home It costs me way more than the petrol used during this trip.
Maybe you can enlighten me with your wise words?

Ebay is akin to having a pub charging wholesale prices right next door with a free drop off service.

[avgas]

Ebay is akin to having a pub charging wholesale prices right next door with a free drop off service.
Or a whore house on the way home from work :shit:

[rapid van cleef]

generated dicsusion, which is what this site and any other forums are about. healthy discussions are good, even the heated ones.

and by the way that 70% mark up ive seen was 70% above the retail cost inc shipping, which was almost half of the total cost. I believe there are many companies taking advantage of the fact that NZ is quite isolated and charging a hell of a lot for certain items. which is fine. I will look elsewhere, thats all. All about our right to choose as we see fit

anyway

no one else is gonna worry about paying my bills etc, so I will always go for the best price I can get, taking into account the customer support factor etc


I never said anything about people not making profit. thats a good thing. just weird that some people will happily pay incredible amounts of cash for goods that they can buy elsewhere for exactly the same item at almost half the cost. Like i siad, I wouldnt do it personally, but if you choose to,thats your choice, and thats ok. I just wanted to get a feel for other peoples opinions on it thats all.


onwards

[doc]

Well I've just purchased a sidestand today.

Both new
Trademe was NZ$407.00 not including courier

Ebay was NZ$ 79.00 including UPS shipping

You would have to wouldn't ya. :gob: It was just a friggen sidestand

[Jantar]

Globlism... will kill local markets... and will continue to do so...

If the NZ market buys from the same place you do they have to put a mark up on else what is the point...

The one thing is if you buy in NZ you still have the gurantee of the NZ consumers act etc... buy off eBay and you have nothing

Absolutely correct. And that is why I'm [prepared to buy from New Zealand suppliers and pay a premium for it. The big question though is "How much premium should I pay?"

I look at it this way: The New Zealand retailer can buy from the same place I do, and then has to pay GST (15% from Oct). Onto this he needs to add a markup (lets say 25%). His shipping costs should be similar or cheaper. From this I'm happy to pay 40 - 50% more to get the item here in New Zealand. I'll still consider it at up to 100% more, but once it is over 100% markup then I'll buy from EBay.

My most recent experience came when I needed new ink cartridges for my printer. Both black and magenta were low, so I went into Dick Smith to buy a full set. Shock and horror when I found out that the black was around $36 and the colours were over $28 each. That made it $149 for the set. They didn't have the multi pack that Cannon claim were available at a cheaper price than buying individually. As a result I only bought the black and magenta and decided to get the others as needed. :shit:

Once I got home I decided to see if I could get the full set direct from Cannon. Sure enough the Cannon website did list the set at a much cheaper RRP, but didn't sell direct. Instead they would point to the enarest approved retailer. Next I checked EBay, and sure enough the inks were available from a number of reatailers. I purchased a complete set which arrived a few days later. The cost? Would you believe US$17.50 for the lot. Once postage was added on that was the complete set, black and 4 colours for NZ$38 delivered to my mailbox. :yes:

So $38 from EBay, $149 from Dick Smith: That is much more than the 100% mark up I would consider reasonable.

[Strider]

I have got all my bike parts from ebay/ USA and with the exhange rate at the moment.
I get goods over seas for alot cheaper than what they sell here for the same parts. Even after I and P&P plus the fees charged on credit card it still works out cheaper. I got a pair of cobra passanger floor boards and save over $100 bucks NZ on them. Sweet

[vindy500]

most the guys on trade me are just chinese guys buying it from ebay anyway

[paulmac]

You (op) should bring in a container of them and make your fortune .....!

[Hailwood]

There are many threads here about buying locally vs Ebay..I can only go on my dealings with ebay.....When I owned the Harley, I have purchased several parts on Ebay direct from dealers and found that the cost to me was usually half that charged by my local dealer. Having said that, I did visit my local dealer with a price and he was good enough to bring his price down so that the difference wasnt so great.

If you talk to your local dealer and give them a chance, maybe they can do something for you. If not, then at least you tried............

[NighthawkNZ]

paypal has a reasonable trading policy and refund service

Does it give product guarantee... ??? NZ consumers act gives right of return with in (I believe 7 days) and a few other bits and pieces...

[CHR1S]

Having worked in cage parts for a number of years 70% is nothing. The worst part I managed to come across was a clutch release bearing with a cost of $4.50 with a retail of $110....worse still, a few had been sold. I imagine bike parts (especially genuine) are no exception!

So yeah for the hassle/costs involved running even an online only store (probably has a day job aswell) it'd be safe to say the guys making f all per unit..all the best to him, and caveat emptor to those who cut him out and go direct.

[avgas]

bearing with a cost of $4.50 with a retail of $110....worse still, a few had been sold. I imagine bike parts (especially genuine) are no exception!
All engine bearings for RG150 - just shy of $800.
Made did the lot using F&P sourced bearings for $50.

[awayatc]

I buy a lot on trademe
I buy a lot on E-bay...
I get more often dicked around on trademe then on e-bay.
I get my products quicker from e-bay then from within NZ.....
Oh and I am getting them a fair bit cheaper on e-bay....
I don't mind supporting local business if they make an effort to be competitive..
(price/service/professionalism etc....)

But to sponsor lazy c*nts just because they live in the same country.....?
Thats where i am already getting taxed to death for.....

I Can't afford to be that generous ....:bye:

Nor do I chose to...

[DR650gary]

I buy a lot on trademe
I buy a lot on E-bay...
I get more often dicked around on trademe then on e-bay.
I get my products quicker from e-bay then from within NZ.....
Oh and I am getting them a fair bit cheaper on e-bay....
I don't mind supporting local business if they make an effort to be competitive..
(price/service/professionalism etc....)

But to sponsor lazy c*nts just because they live in the same country.....?
Thats where i am already getting taxed to death for.....

I Can't afford to be that generous ....:bye:

Nor do I chose to...

What he said:yes:

Product on Ebay $AU0.99 plus postage $AU5.99. Identical product on Trademe (even the logo) $29.00 plus postage $6.99.

Heated Grips on Ebay $US1.99 plus $US2.99 postage, Trademe $25.00 plus postage. I bought 6 sets for myself and mates.

I have had products from O/seas that were substandard and to be honest, their after sales remedies were fairer and faster than local.

Happy to support local traders but not at these levels.

I recently ordered a dual set of throttle cable for my Kawasaki. Only 1 arrived as they are no longer stocked. The dealer was unimpressed when I declined to take the single cable as all aftermarket sets were in pairs and I didn't need three cables. NZ price for 1 was $59.00. A set delivered from the UK $77.00 total.

[SS90]

hey, ive been trawling the net looking for candidates for new levers for me bike and ive found this cool site called ebay. ..........ahem

would you believe my suprise when i found a supplier selling biker levers for under 100 bucks inc shipping from china. the EXACT same levers are on trade me from a kiwi supplier for 170 bucks plus pnp.

They are described as being as good as Pazzo, they look cool. and the trade me site has heaps of info on them.

Buy NZ??????????..........................I dont bloody think so!

Wow, it is amazing how this often slagged out has progressed from "NZ bike shops ripping us off, Trademe rules (etc)

to "Trademe is a rip off, Ebay rules"

I wonder, is the average Kiwi attitude so crap that people actually will soon think that unless goods are free ( or perhaps we are given a small financial incentive to take goods off traders hands), traders should be put to death.

Can we talk about Lawyers, residential property investors and real estate agents? When it comes to unreasonable fees for services and goods, these people are the scum, not retailers competing in a global market.

[awayatc]

Attitude............?


My prescription glasses in NZ are NZ $900
Same glasses of Internet from old US of A are NZ $180 delivered to my frontdoor within a week....

I never had the luxury to be able to afford an attitude....
To busy paying family bills....

[EJK]

I shop at Pak'n Save all the time.


All good!






Well, it's only bike parts. It's not like the whole NZ economy will collapse & dollar slump cause some people bought bike parts from overseas.

Eat more lambs, drink more L&P and shop at Pak'n Save more to balance it out.

[brp]

I'm with Rapid ! If you have imported products from China you know the prices - unbelievably cheap. Obviously still plenty of demand for products where sellers on trade me are making large profits - over 1000% common.

Low risk buying off the site Sam copied from power sellers, best thing you can do rapid is what you are doing - vote with your dollar and buy elsewhere :rockon:

[Berries]

I shop at Pak'n Save all the time.
You can get powdered milk out of China for 85% less than Pak n Save. Not only do you save money, you help NZ farmers.

[NighthawkNZ]

You can get powdered milk out of China for 85% less than Pak n Save. Not only do you save money, you help NZ farmers.

yeah but would your truly want to drink powdered milk from china.... lord knows what other chemicals and power is mixed with it...
http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/7742243/nz-milk-powder-implicated-in-new-chinese-probe/

[Berries]

That was kind of the point.

[DR650gary]

Wow, it is amazing how this often slagged out has progressed from "NZ bike shops ripping us off, Trademe rules (etc)

to "Trademe is a rip off, Ebay rules"

I wonder, is the average Kiwi attitude so crap that people actually will soon think that unless goods are free ( or perhaps we are given a small financial incentive to take goods off traders hands), traders should be put to death.

Can we talk about Lawyers, residential property investors and real estate agents? When it comes to unreasonable fees for services and goods, these people are the scum, not retailers competing in a global market.

Get off your high horse man. I happily supported NZ retailers until I found that they seldom stocked the goods I wanted and ordered them from a supplier overseas when I ordered it off them. Then charged me a massive markup plus the freight. If a retailer wants to compete, then compete, not use license restrictions to gain excessive margins.

The industry that I am in has become international so we have to compete with o/seas suppliers. This has massively reduced our margins over the years but we are now able to compete both locally and internationally.

Protection leads to greed, not efficiency.

But you have all the rights to buy poor quality products at overinflated prices if you wish.:mellow:

[SMOKEU]

are you old enough to drink? Tell me how come when I go on the piss I payt more for a pint of beer in a pub than I do for the same quantity at a wholesaler? Then when I get a taxi home It costs me way more than the petrol used during this trip.
Maybe you can enlighten me with your wise words?

Because pubs feed on the stupidity of their customers.

[Oscar]

Globlism... will kill local markets... and will continue to do so...

If the NZ market buys from the same place you do they have to put a mark up on else what is the point...

The one thing is if you buy in NZ you still have the gurantee of the NZ consumers act etc... buy off eBay and you have nothing

If the NZ market buys from the same source, they'll be buying a shitload more than me. So even with a mark up I should be able to buy these things at a reasonable price locally - a price that, even if slightly dearer, does not involve faffing about with overseas suppliers.

[DrunkenMistake]

It all still comes down to quality, in the end it doesnt matter if you pay a 70% markup or you go straight to the chinese supplier, the real question you should be asking yourself isnt "Should I buy cheaper becouse im a tight ass" It should be, "Should I buy cheaper, which inturn means cheaper quality, and risk these levers failing on me while im riding" Lets be honest, Even at 50km's on city roads, If you break lever fails you, your gonna do some serious damage to something weither it be yourself or somebody inocent or simply to property, if that were to happen would you be man enough to stand up and admit that your abilty to be a tight ass was more than likely the cause?
Becouse I dont think so,
I would rather pay money for quality, And I would rather support a NZ seller than the suppiler, The way the economy is at the moment, we realy need to be spending within NZ,

It would be like your job, that is if you have one, If your employer turned around and said to you, I am going to cut your hours becouse I can get somebody from overseas to come over and do the same job for 25% of the amount you get paid, not only does that put you out of a job, but it takes money out of the country. If that makes sence.

[DR650gary]

It all still comes down to quality, in the end it doesnt matter if you pay a 70% markup or you go straight to the chinese supplier, the real question you should be asking yourself isnt "Should I buy cheaper becouse im a tight ass" It should be, "Should I buy cheaper, which inturn means cheaper quality, and risk these levers failing on me while im riding" Lets be honest, Even at 50km's on city roads, If you break lever fails you, your gonna do some serious damage to something weither it be yourself or somebody inocent or simply to property, if that were to happen would you be man enough to stand up and admit that your abilty to be a tight ass was more than likely the cause?
Becouse I dont think so,
I would rather pay money for quality, And I would rather support a NZ seller than the suppiler, The way the economy is at the moment, we realy need to be spending within NZ,

It would be like your job, that is if you have one, If your employer turned around and said to you, I am going to cut your hours becouse I can get somebody from overseas to come over and do the same job for 25% of the amount you get paid, not only does that put you out of a job, but it takes money out of the country. If that makes sence.

What a load of bollocks. Everyone, virtually, in NZ who is working is competing against overseas workers. That is why a large volume of services and products are sourced and provided overseas.

Anyone here has a $9.00 brake lever fail.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Parts-for-sale/Brakes/auction-308387254.htm

This is a product that I am certain is sourced from o/seas, sold locally at a fair price by a local trader. I have also bought hand guards off them so Isuuppose they are going to fall off and jam my throttle open.

Very little of what we buy and put on our bikes is locally made. Crap is crap and exhorbitant markups are greedy.

Just my 2 cents.

[Jonno.]

It all still comes down to quality, in the end it doesnt matter if you pay a 70% markup or you go straight to the chinese supplier, the real question you should be asking yourself isnt "Should I buy cheaper becouse im a tight ass" It should be, "Should I buy cheaper, which inturn means cheaper quality, and risk these levers failing on me while im riding" Lets be honest, Even at 50km's on city roads, If you break lever fails you, your gonna do some serious damage to something weither it be yourself or somebody inocent or simply to property, if that were to happen would you be man enough to stand up and admit that your abilty to be a tight ass was more than likely the cause?
Becouse I dont think so,
I would rather pay money for quality, And I would rather support a NZ seller than the suppiler, The way the economy is at the moment, we realy need to be spending within NZ,

It would be like your job, that is if you have one, If your employer turned around and said to you, I am going to cut your hours becouse I can get somebody from overseas to come over and do the same job for 25% of the amount you get paid, not only does that put you out of a job, but it takes money out of the country. If that makes sence.

What do you think people are going to do with the money they saved? :weird:
This thread is about the SAME products from different suppliers. No one cares about your faggy elitist attitude.

[breakaway]

It all still comes down to quality, in the end it doesnt matter if you pay a 70% markup or you go straight to the chinese supplier, the real question you should be asking yourself isnt "Should I buy cheaper becouse im a tight ass" It should be, "Should I buy cheaper, which inturn means cheaper quality, and risk these levers failing on me while im riding" Lets be honest, Even at 50km's on city roads, If you break lever fails you, your gonna do some serious damage to something weither it be yourself or somebody inocent or simply to property, if that were to happen would you be man enough to stand up and admit that your abilty to be a tight ass was more than likely the cause?
Becouse I dont think so,
I would rather pay money for quality, And I would rather support a NZ seller than the suppiler, The way the economy is at the moment, we realy need to be spending within NZ,

It would be like your job, that is if you have one, If your employer turned around and said to you, I am going to cut your hours becouse I can get somebody from overseas to come over and do the same job for 25% of the amount you get paid, not only does that put you out of a job, but it takes money out of the country. If that makes sence.

If you look up right now, you might see the point going over your head.

Its about getting Product A from Suppliers Local and International. Same product, but international supplier turns out to be cheaper.

I'm afraid that "Support local business" slogan simply won't help these local businesses more. If the price difference is small, like maybe 20-30%, then I can understand, but sometimes its well over double, and comes with a mandatory 3 week wait period. These businesses need to pick up the slack. I mean shit, a tail tidy from a local dealership is 3x the price ($130) than one shipped to me from a shop in the United States.

[pritch]

I support the local businesses. I have also bought bits and pieces from EBay and from TradeMe with no problems. Quite the opposite.

With reference to the original post I bought CRG levers when they were on "special". Not that they were exactly cheap.

I recently needed an accessory for my locally purchased Optimate battery charger, the item was not stocked by the NZ importer. I sent an email to the manufacturer asking for the names of some reputable retailers in the UK. The item was not at all expensive but I received a prompt reply nominating two retailers accepting international orders. There was also some good technical advice regarding a simple test that I should conduct before ordering to be sure the item would work as desired.

My experience suggests that you can make your own luck to a certain extent. Buying cheap stuff from some guy in China, or from his cousin in Auckland, may not be the best way to start?

[ynot slow]

Just had a look at a US online bike store,saw a jacket on closeout for $39.99,when freight added it came to $149.00 roughly $110 postage.Another site for shoei visor and pinlock combo,freight and taxes took it too $157.00US,can get here for $135-150kiwi.

Mind you ordered a pair of osram H4 +80 bulbs for the car,landed(5days) for $37.00kiwi from UK.If you can get the Philips ones (don't try supersheep or crapco,try auto sparky)you told $40-45 each($80-90pair).

[doc]

Well I've just purchased a sidestand today.

Both new
Trademe was NZ$407.00 not including courier

Ebay was NZ$ 79.00 including UPS shipping

You would have to wouldn't ya. :gob: It was just a friggen sidestand

Sidestand just arrived. 6 days from USA USPS 1st class international, the cheapest option. Takes the same in NZ sometimes.

I'm more than happy, price, time and effort involved. Off to checkout bling on ebay :shit:

[skinman]

Just got Dodge jacket from ebay $37US for jacket $25US postage. Thats approx $124 NZ. Damm sight cheaper than any NZ jacket (also I couldnt find one in NZ).
We are getting ripped off.

[pritch]

\
We are getting ripped off.

Not necessarily. There's a load of other threads about that on KB, and some got very heated.

Sometimes there are reasons to buy local, in other instances it may be better to shop further afield. Buying long distance can be risky but if you play your cards right it can work for you.
Whatever works at the time.

Enjoy the jacket:yes: