Forced off the road by Nick Smith!

[oldrider]

Currently I own four vehicles:

I have been adding up what costs are going to hit me now to keep them registered and stay using them on the road!

A Motorcycle. (955i Tiger) $517.25
A small (diesel) 2ltr 4x4 truck. $583.81 (which I use mostly off road)
A small station wagon. $281.61
A light trailer. $35.12
Registration total = $1417.79
Add on insurance and six monthly warrant of fitness checks? $$$!

56 years as licensed driver, two serious accidents (bike) totally my fault, one requiring an X-ray and a little Physiotherapy, nothing on the other, no other vehicles involved.

Back in the fifties I hit a pile driving truck that failed to give way and had no lights on in a narrow Petone street, very messy but other than hurrying, not my bloody fault!

Income, national superannuation and small (now very shaky) savings investment returns.

My solution other than selling them all and walking everywhere with my zimmer is:

Sell my motorcycle and quit riding motorcycles forever! :angry2:
Place the diesel 4x4 truck registration on hold and leave it on the farm where I use it.
Replace 2x4 station wagon with a more universally suitable small (petrol) 4x4 vehicle.
Keep the trailer as is.

Revamped total annual registration (approximately) $316.73 - saving = $1101.06

I hate Nick Smith with a vengeance, the fucking bastard! :brick: :ar15:

Anyone want to buy a tidy 06 Tiger with a few extras? What is it they say? "Reluctant sale"! :cry:

[Milts]

I'm sorry to hear that, that seriously sucks... although surely giving up motorcycling should be the last resort? Or you could look to drop to something under the arbitrary 600cc limit...
Perhaps part of the ACC campaign should be to push for serious rego reductions for people who own multiple vehicles, it's not like someone who rides one bike 15 hours a week is any less likely to be hurt that someone riding bike #1 for 10 hours and bike #2 for 5 hours per week. It's a pretty hideiously discriminatory system.

[Brian d marge]

Vote him out and anyone who does the same thing

Stephen

[Crazy Steve]

Registration total = $1417.79

Some people would still say thats a Bargin ! ! !

Crazy Steve.

[Crazy Steve]

Also you forgot to mention that petrol is getting closer and closer to $2 per litre again ! !

Crazy Steve.

[YellowDog]

I'm sorry to hear that, that seriously sucks... although surely giving up motorcycling should be the last resort? Or you could look to drop to something under the arbitrary 600cc limit...
Perhaps part of the ACC campaign should be to push for serious rego reductions for people who own multiple vehicles, it's not like someone who rides one bike 15 hours a week is any less likely to be hurt that someone riding bike #1 for 10 hours and bike #2 for 5 hours per week. It's a pretty hideiously discriminatory system.

There are not many who would not agree that the system is pretty damn stupid.

Surely a system whereby you pay the full levy on ONE of your registered vehicles and then a reduced rate for the others would be far more reasonable.

However - IMO They should split the ACC portion away from the rego fee.

If drivers/riders have to fund the ACC portion of the cover rather than the vehicle, this would get around the issue of many drivers/riders per vehicle.

Perhaps this could be admisistered through the driving licence register so that all drivers/riders had an annual ACC fee associated with their annual licence renewal?

Maybe this would be a way of refusing those who cannot see or have unpaid fines?

Just thinking out aloud here so no red blings thanks :) Comments appreciated.

All I am saying is that there has to be a fairer way!

[PrincessBandit]

There are not many who would not agree that the system is pretty damn stupid.

Surely a system whereby you pay the full levy on ONE of your registered vehicles and then a reduced rate for the others would be far more reasonable.

However - IMO They should split the ACC portion away from the rego fee.

If drivers/riders have to fund the ACC portion of the cover rather than the vehicle, this would get around the issue of many drivers/riders per vehicle.

Perhaps this could be admisistered through the driving licence register so that all drivers/riders had an annual ACC fee associated with their annual licence renewal?

Maybe this would be a way of refusing those who cannot see or have unpaid fines?

Just thinking out aloud here so no red blings thanks :) Comments appreciated.

All I am saying is that there has to be a fairer way!

Why would they want a fairer way when this method screws much more money out of us. They're obviously not concerned in the slightest about being voted out of power over it, so what to do ......what to do.......

[davereid]

ACC needs a certain amount of money to operate. The exact amount is hard to determine, as ACC seem to be broke one minute, and investing billion-dollar surpluses the next.

But, during the original ACC protests, we calculated that a 0.12c per litre fuel price increase would fund all of the ACC vehicle account.

The reason ACC does not select this model tells us more about what is going on than any politician.

1) If ACC is funded by fuel tax, you cannot open the system to private enterprise, as you have no way of billing an individual.

2) ACC like to use punitive levies to shape the mix of our vehicle fleet. They can and will use levies to force undesirables (like oldrider?) off the road.

[danchop]

Why would they want a fairer way when this method screws much more money out of us. They're obviously not concerned in the slightest about being voted out of power over it, so what to do ......what to do.......
what about those of us that smoke ciggarettes and ride bikes?

[Banditbandit]

what about those of us that smoke ciggarettes and ride bikes?

We're dammed to whatever hell Nick Smith and co can concieve ...

[Okey Dokey]

Jeez, oldrider, it does suck that ACC can ruin a very enjoyable hobby like riding for you. We, too, have had to make adjustments to our budget so that we can keep both gsxrs on the road. I guess we are lucky that there was enough wiggle room to allow us to do so. I wish you could find a way to keep motorcycling, too. Hopefully you can find something else that you can sacrifice instead.

[SMOKEU]

Put the rego on hold and pay the fine if you get snapped. Make sure your insurance company still covers you if you do that.

[zahria]

Put the rego on hold and pay the fine if you get snapped. Make sure your insurance company still covers you if you do that.

Or you can put reg on hold over winter, as I am doiing, and get back on the road in summer.
You can't give up like that, there has to be a way!

[jafar]

2 cars @ $281.61 Each =563.22
2 bikes@ $517.25 Each =1034.50

total of $1597.72

$ 133.15 per month average.

$ 4.38 per day .

& that doesn't include the vehicles I drive for my job either.

[Swoop]

Vote him out and anyone who does the same thing

Stephen
As the saying goes... "If voting would make a difference, it would have been made illegal long ago".

[marty]

My daily ride is now a scooter - heaps well cheap and a blast to ride. Back in the market for an RS250. Just can't be fucked with the big-bike dramas any more. Rego and tyre costs are just getting silly

[rabidnz]

and dont forget bus prices are getting close to that of 2 litres of 91

[Bald Eagle]

and dont forget bus prices are getting close to that of 2 litres of 91

but unlike a Transmetro Welly train the bus might actually get you to work :lol:

[aprilia_RS250]

All I can say that sucks. Could be worse though. At least you have some options to play with.

[aprilia_RS250]

My daily ride is now a scooter - heaps well cheap and a blast to ride. Back in the market for an RS250. Just can't be fucked with the big-bike dramas any more. Rego and tyre costs are just getting silly

RS250s aren't that cheap! 500 for new tyres, 30 for 1L FS 2 stroke oil every 1000km, plus it consumes petrol like a +600cc bike.

[Paul in NZ]

Yep - the rego cost was pretty well the straw that broke the camels back for me too - oh well....

[NighthawkNZ]

Cool the way I read this that is 2 more cars off the road... so he can afford to ride his Tiger... :)

[Brian d marge]

Well ya have a few choices

Vote em out and make sure the incoming , will remove the Tax ( no one seems to be saying this ,least I haven't heard from labor or the greens )

Protest until its removed ,( NZ , non starter ,,,)

Dont pay until pinged

Dont ride

Leave and live in another country

Stephen

[imdying]

RS250s aren't that cheap! 500 for new tyres, 30 for 1L FS 2 stroke oil every 1000km, plus it consumes petrol like a +600cc bike.Yeah, but in comparison to a big bike, sticky tyres last forever. Totally agree about the petrol and fully synth though... doesn't go far in a two stroke.

[Maha]

Currently I own four vehicles:

I have been adding up what costs are going to hit me now to keep them registered and stay using them on the road!

A Motorcycle. (955i Tiger) $517.25
A small (diesel) 2ltr 4x4 truck. $583.81 (which I use mostly off road)
A small station wagon. $281.61
A light trailer. $35.12
Registration total = $1417.79
Add on insurance and six monthly warrant of fitness checks? $$$!

56 years as licensed driver, two serious accidents (bike) totally my fault, one requiring an X-ray and a little Physiotherapy, nothing on the other, no other vehicles involved.

Back in the fifties I hit a pile driving truck that failed to give way and had no lights on in a narrow Petone street, very messy but other than hurrying, not my bloody fault!

Income, national superannuation and small (now very shaky) savings investment returns.

My solution other than selling them all and walking everywhere with my zimmer is:

Sell my motorcycle and quit riding motorcycles forever! :angry2:
Place the diesel 4x4 truck registration on hold and leave it on the farm where I use it.
Replace 2x4 station wagon with a more universally suitable small (petrol) 4x4 vehicle.
Keep the trailer as is.

Revamped total annual registration (approximately) $316.73 - saving = $1101.06

I hate Nick Smith with a vengeance, the fucking bastard! :brick: :ar15:

Anyone want to buy a tidy 06 Tiger with a few extras? What is it they say? "Reluctant sale"! :cry:

What this Country needs John is, a dedicated, elected body to protect and promote Motorcycling in New Zealand.

[NighthawkNZ]

What this Country needs John is, a dedicated, elected body to protect and promote Motorcycling in New Zealand.

That use to be BRONZ... but no longer... though they say different but from what I have seen BRONZ is nothing like it use to be...

[avgas]

Yeah man, I can sympathize.
2 x 400cc bikes
+ 1 x car
+ southern cross private health-care ($600/yr)
+ income acc crap

Will quit paying taxes before I stop riding though.

[avgas]

That use to be BRONZ... but no longer... though they say different but from what I have seen BRONZ is nothing like it use to be...
Often those who seek power. Are not those who should be given it.
- Cant remember who said it, but sums up BRONZ for me.

[bsasuper]

They put ACC levy up, raise gst, will try to cut wages, then they cant understand why we cant save $$$$ for retirement. :angry:Dont forget the first thing they did when they took over was a salery increase for themselves

[mrchips]

They put ACC levy up, raise gst, will try to cut wages, then they cant understand why we cant save $$$$ for retirement. :angry:Dont forget the first thing they did when they took over was a salery increase for themselves

Never mind... Now we've got 9% "Compulsory savings" on the cards.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvBCl3CBMXA

[pete376403]

If the 4x4 is used mostly off-road as you say, then that should go on hold.
How often do you use the trailer? It might be more economical to sell it and hire one as required.

[ukusa]

yep, costs are going through the roof, time to make decisions.
Sold my diesel ute earlier this year, that saves me around $1100/year (rego & insurance) + no more RUC charges/fuel costs etc. I have a company car anyway, so no great inconvenience other than having to hire a trailer every now & again.
Bike will now be rego'd for probably 8 months of the year, so should bring cost down to similar to last year. Bike insurance has just arrived though, it's gone up $70 for the year despite no claims (ever). Might be time to start shopping around on that again, considering I do less than 5K a year.

[marty]

RS250s aren't that cheap! 500 for new tyres, 30 for 1L FS 2 stroke oil every 1000km, plus it consumes petrol like a +600cc bike.

I know. I did 30000km on a 2002 one. It's still way cheaper than a big bore.

[oldrider]

Never mind... Now we've got 9% "Compulsory savings" on the cards.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RvBCl3CBMXA

After 40+ years of saving and skimping for retirement security what do the politicians (Labour and National esp) do, they devalue your savings by excessive taxation, inflationary policies and aiding and abetting a myriad of dubious financial and banking institutions we end up with sweet fuck all and the tell you all to "SAVE"! FFS!

When I first started out in the work force I was inundated with life insurance salesmen, they locked you into these great insurance schemes that cost you an arm and a leg, only to be worth fuck all at maturity!

Save for retirement, yeah right!

The harder you work and save the more they flog you for doing it and take everything off you when you get there!

But they never face the same difficulties themselves, they see to it that "they" are OK!

Now they have even made riding my bike prematurely financially impossible because it is so dangerous! FFS

Who asked them to save me from myself!..............so now you know what "they" mean! Cunts! :yes:

I am really really really pissed off! :mad::angry2::yeah:

[one fast tl1ooo]

thats gotta suck...... one word for you flip up plate and no reg...And go hard .. :yes:

[BMWST?]

I'm sorry to hear that, that seriously sucks... although surely giving up motorcycling should be the last resort? Or you could look to drop to something under the arbitrary 600cc limit...
Perhaps part of the ACC campaign should be to push for serious rego reductions for people who own multiple vehicles, it's not like someone who rides one bike 15 hours a week is any less likely to be hurt that someone riding bike #1 for 10 hours and bike #2 for 5 hours per week. It's a pretty hideiously discriminatory system.

that will merely put up the price of individual license holders.They will still try to collect the same pool of money from license holders as opposed to bikes.

[Pixie]

What this Country needs John is, a dedicated, elected body to protect and promote Motorcycling in New Zealand.

Te roopu piki me te tiaki nga mea motopaika kei Aotearoa?

[bogan]

me thinks another trip to the capital should happen, let em know that a year (or thereabouts) later we haven't forgotten, and we're still fucked off. Keep some annual leave in reserve people, one way or another we'll be back!

[Mom]

Even that bloke Myth agreed that the multi rego ACC components were unfair when we tackled him at a public meeting end of last year. I reckon this could be the next focus of protest myself.
How say you?

[NighthawkNZ]

I am really really really pissed off! :mad::angry2::yeah:

We are all slaves to the system... and it has been dsigned that way to keep you slaves to the system because it has been inbreed that that is the only way... we come up with new idea's but in the end it just a old idea that has new packaging that didn't work...

They are all puppets.. you have to find the puppeteers and cut the strings...

Sad thing is people don't see it... and it will never change...

[pritch]

I am really really really pissed off! :mad::angry2::yeah:

I'm looking forward to retiring and will probably shift to a 600cc bike at that time purely because of the ACC embuggerance. Ignoring some particularly tasty sprotbikes for obvious reasons, there's a shortage of 600s about. Lots of 670, 675, 690, or whatever, but those few extra ccs are expensive.

Just as well the only 600 I can think of is so bloody good. Looks like I'll be a Hornet owner again.

By way of revenge I'll probably cast my vote so as to cause either of the two major parties the maximum amount of grief . Welcome back Winston Peters? :whistle:

[oldrider]

I'm looking forward to retiring and will probably shift to a 600cc bike at that time purely because of the ACC embuggerance. Ignoring some particularly tasty sprotbikes for obvious reasons, there's a shortage of 600s about. Lots of 670, 675, 690, or whatever, but those few extra ccs are expensive.

Just as well the only 600 I can think of is so bloody good. Looks like I'll be a Hornet owner again.

By way of revenge I'll probably cast my vote so as to cause either of the two major parties the maximum amount of grief . Welcome back Winston Peters? :whistle:

I thought it was 650cc and above, so most 650's are not actually 650 but 599cc or something!

I think it would be worth contesting, nominal against actual, they are being damned pedantic, why can't we!

Winston is just another socialist, don't expect anything much different from him, they all represent bigger government at our expense, bastards!

There are only socialists on offer in this country anyway, left of centre or completely left, take your pick!

Received my reminder notice for my little Toyota Townace diesel truck today, a wee two seater 2litre 4x4 tip truck that hardly carries as much as a small trailer...$583.31 for 12 months..ACC levy $467.08! Incredible!

Works out best if I only do it 6 months at a time until it goes on hold.

Every time I look in my garage and see my bike gleaming away it sends me into a deep fit of depression, bastards, especially that prick Nick Smith! :sick:

[pritch]

I thought it was 650cc and above, so most 650's are not actually 650 but 599cc or something!


Last time I looked the categories were to be:
up to 125
125 to 600
600 plus

The Hornet will be 599 or whatever.

All of which reminds me, I need to register the SJ50:scooter:

[davereid]

I thought it was 650cc and above, so most 650's are not actually 650 but 599cc or something!

I think it would be worth contesting, nominal against actual, they are being damned pedantic, why can't we!

Winston is just another socialist, don't expect anything much different from him, they all represent bigger government at our expense, bastards!

There are only socialists on offer in this country anyway, left of centre or completely left, take your pick!

Received my reminder notice for my little Toyota Townace diesel truck today, a wee two seater 2litre 4x4 tip truck that hardly carries as much as a small trailer...$583.31 for 12 months..ACC levy $467.08! Incredible!

Works out best if I only do it 6 months at a time until it goes on hold.

Every time I look in my garage and see my bike gleaming away it sends me into a deep fit of depression, bastards, especially that prick Nick Smith! :sick:

Don't let the bastards get ya.

I've got so many vehicles.. I have enjoyed driving them all, but the reality is that ACC has made it unrealistic for me to keep them.

In the meantime I am driving them with a WOF but no rego. For some of them it has been almost a year since they last saw a rego tag, so I have saved over my motorcycle fleet about $2500, giving me plenty of room to pay a fine should I be caught.

At the moment, being caught doesn't seem likely, but the local paper reports Wellington Police now have a van, which uses number-plate recognition. This no doubt will be parked in busy places collecting number-plates, to allow a ticket to be mailed.

Eventually the balance will swing, and riding rego-less will be come tricky. Perhaps my moped reg will do the rounds of all my bikes as required, or I will keep one plate live for all bikes.

The problem being, that like lots of other bikers, if it becomes necessary to reduce my vehicle fleet I will do it. ACC will collect less revenue as a result. But I will still be out there, riding my motorcycle.

ACC face the basic laws of commerce. By putting prices up, they will have less customers. But they wont have any lower costs.

My advice ?

Ride rego-less until being caught is more likely than not. Then, pick the vehicles you like most and keep them.

Thats my plan anyway.

[Banditbandit]

Te roopu piki me te tiaki nga mea motopaika kei Aotearoa?

Kaore. Te Ope Taua motopaika. He whananga whai rakau te mea nui.

[Banditbandit]

In the meantime I am driving them with a WOF but no rego. For some of them it has been almost a year since they last saw a rego tag, so I have saved over my motorcycle fleet about $2500, giving me plenty of room to pay a fine should I be caught.



The problem is you will have to pay more than the fine if you get caught. You will have to pay all of the registration fee since the vehicle was last registered. So if it's been more than a year since it was registered, if you get caught, you'll have to pay all of that time PLUS the next few months as well - a savings of absolutely zero and an addition of the fine.

It looks like a worthwhile financial risk - but it's not ...

[davereid]

The problem is you will have to pay more than the fine if you get caught. You will have to pay all of the registration fee since the vehicle was last registered. So if it's been more than a year since it was registered, if you get caught, you'll have to pay all of that time PLUS the next few months as well - a savings of absolutely zero and an addition of the fine.

It looks like a worthwhile financial risk - but it's not ...

I didn't know that you have to back pay rego, do you have a reference ?

Even if it is correct, its still well worth it. I have already saved $2500. Thats 3 years rego when I do decide to "go legal".

[Banditbandit]

I didn't know that you have to back pay rego, do you have a reference ?

Even if it is correct, its still well worth it. I have already saved $2500. Thats 3 years rego when I do decide to "go legal".

Go here http://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicle/registration-licensing/licensing.html scroll down to Licensing – your ongoing responsibility

So if you decide to pay the licence .. then you'll get hit with the $2500 you owe anyway ...

It's a no-win situation - bastards have us by the balls ...

[ukusa]

Go here http://www.nzta.govt.nz/vehicle/registration-licensing/licensing.html scroll down to Licensing – your ongoing responsibility

So if you decide to pay the licence .. then you'll get hit with the $2500 you owe anyway ...

It's a no-win situation - bastards have us by the balls ...

that's why we put the rego on hold first, then ride!

[davereid]

that's why we put the rego on hold first, then ride!

Yes, I haven't just not paid them, I have either put them on "hold" or moved them to an exempt class.

I looked at that lnk, and could see that with continuous registration, I would liable for back fees if I did not exempt. But I couldn't see how I would be liable for back-fees if caught while unlicensed, only the fine would apply.

So, worst case I would have to pay back rego, on the vehicle I was caught on only, until the time it was last correctly registered.

In a way, I hope they DO move to electronic numberplate rego checking. A human being would quickly notice that my correctly registered TGB moped actually had BMW badges. A camera would just say "rego=OK".

I will also be pragmatic. A couple of months rego over summer will cover much of my really busy riding season, and reset the clock if back-dues become payable.

Strangely, the first few trips I did rego-less I was very aware of it, and super sure I would get caught. Now, it doesn't bother me, although I still choose the longer country road every time over the quick highway. Mind you, I used to choose those roads when fully legal, so its not particularly relevant.

[ukusa]

In a way, I hope they DO move to electronic numberplate rego checking. A human being would quickly notice that my correctly registered TGB moped actually had BMW badges. A camera would just say "rego=OK"..

good point, so with the proposed number plate recognition cameras it would be best to swap plates with your other "rego'd" bike rather than ride with an expired rego. Reminds me of when I was a kid & dad would swap the trailer plate onto the caravan etc.