1973 Mikoyan-Gurevich (MiG-21MF Fighter Jet) for sale in Christchurch

[EJK]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Aircraft/Aircraft/auction-312051399.htm

Gonna go and see it tomorrow.



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[Mental Trousers]

Damn. Wouldn't be surprised to see that one turn up in New Plymouth ...

[raftn]

I dont think it will fit in my garage.

[nadroj]

What have you heard? Vause or Emeny?

[EJK]

It maybe a great investment. Maybe...

[marty]

I was discussing the merits of owning a very fast jet (Hawker Hunter) with the owner of said jet. The Hunter burns around 13000lbs/hr at sea level at max power (that's where all the fun is!) but only 3000 at altitude. The Mig burns around the same. that's pretty reasonable, and certainly nowhere near the $20k/hr quoted. Probably closer to $10k. built like a brick shithouse. engine bits easy to get - there's a largeish number of private ones in the USA.

[Kickaha]

Gonna go and see it tomorrow.


Might do the same

[Pussy]

Agree with the build quality.... the engineering in the L-29 and L-39 is faultless. Beautifully made.
You'd need to be REAL good mates with someone who has a Jet A-1 fuel card to run the thing!

[Oakie]

Russian import. One careful lady owner. Reg and WOF current. No tyre-kickers please.

[SMOKEU]

I wonder how much it will cost to get flying again.

[Pussy]

I wonder how much it will cost to get flying again.

You would be surprised. As long as there is a paper trail accompanying the aircraft, it wouldn't be TOO bad. Eastern Bloc aircraft are VERY well built.
It would, however, cost a bloody FORTUNE to feed it with Jet A-1

[SMOKEU]

You would be surprised. As long as there is a paper trail accompanying the aircraft, it wouldn't be TOO bad. Eastern Bloc aircraft are VERY well built.
It would, however, cost a bloody FORTUNE to feed it with Jet A-1

It will be a real shame to see it sitting in someones paddock rusting away. It would be nice to see something like this taking to the skies again.

[Hans]

Agree with the build quality.... the engineering in the L-29 and L-39 is faultless. Beautifully made.
You'd need to be REAL good mates with someone who has a Jet A-1 fuel card to run the thing!

That would be because they were built in Europe. Not somewhere in the steppes of Asia like this beastie. Wouldn't feel brave enough to solo this thing lol. Think vile speeds on approach and spool up times so long you need a calendar... It is beautiful though.

[EJK]

I wonder how much it will cost to get flying again.

Might have to start a country and get some taxes in. Then you might able to afford one..... or a fleet.


:shifty:

[Pussy]

That would be because they were built in Europe. Not somewhere in the steppes of Asia like this beastie. Wouldn't feel brave enough to solo this thing lol. Think vile speeds on approach and spool up times so long you need a calendar... It is beautiful though.

I flew about 8000 hours behind a Walter M601D.... similar spool up time... okay when you get used to them. I'd trust the MiG!

[Pussy]

From idle to powering up on an M601D is about 5 seconds.... may as well be 5 years when you're trying to negotiate a short strip

[tamarillo]

I just want it to sit in my front garden.

[Wannabiker]

Didnt Jeremy Clarkson get one of these in his front garden on one edition of "Top Gear"?

[blackdog]

a fishbed? on chuck yeagers flight simulator :rofl:

[Hans]

From idle to powering up on an M601D is about 5 seconds.... may as well be 5 years when you're trying to negotiate a short strip

Probably. Just without the butt-clenching sinkrate of the mig.

[cs363]

Didnt Jeremy Clarkson get one of these in his front garden on one edition of "Top Gear"?


No, that was an English Electric Lightning - here's the vid (fast forward to around the 5:00 mark)

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[marty]

Didnt Jeremy Clarkson get one of these in his front garden on one edition of "Top Gear"?

No. That was a Lightening. Twice the fuel burn of a Mig 21.

[Bren]

Stuff the Y2K with a Bell turbine......The Mig Turbine on a bike would be Lethal!

[Pussy]

Probably. Just without the butt-clenching sinkrate of the mig.

Can be a bit butt clenching approaching a sloping 200m airstrip in a Fletcher too, if you're not paying attention.
It's all about engine handling

[marty]

I reckon it would soon get boring being a single seater. Like a single seat Pitts - great fun, but it's more fun to share it.

Did you know that at just below the speed of sound, Auckland > Tauranga will take 9 minutes.....Akl > Wlg 26 mins

[Pussy]

I reckon it would soon get boring being a single seater.

I don't. It would be GREAT fun

[marty]

flying @ 50' up and down the west coast would be fun I admit. low and fast >

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAw6paXJ37k&feature=related

[Swoop]

It would be appropriate if it went to the Ashburton museum. They are collecting a few jets, including the only Harrier in the southern hemisphere.

[Pixie]

flying @ 50' up and down the west coast would be fun I admit. low and fast >

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAw6paXJ37k&feature=related

Until you suck a pukeko into the compressor

[nudemetalz]

Can be a bit butt clenching approaching a sloping 200m airstrip in a Fletcher too, if you're not paying attention.
It's all about engine handling

Bet the Mig needs a slightly longer strip than the Fletcher ;)

[EJK]

Un-related to the MiG but saw this on the news today.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/4049048/Iran-unveils-unmanned-ambassador-of-death

A little, 60 years, behind don't you think?

[Swoop]

Iranian President Mahmoud I'madinnerjacket has unveiled the country's first domestically-built unmanned bomber aircraft, calling it an "ambassador of death" to Iran's enemies.

"The jet, as well as being an ambassador of death for the enemies of humanity, has a main message of peace and friendship,"



That raghead is really fucked in the head.
A cruise missile that can carry up to 4 cruise missiles? Sounds a lot like the junkyard has been raided of old parts, from their F-5 & F-14 fleets, and put together for a bit of propaganda.

[EJK]

Well it's intellegent to see them finally copying German design.

[Swoop]

Well it's intellegent to see them finally copying German design.
Unfortunately, the only intelligent thing they are doing is keeping the last sqadron of F-14's in the air.
They are precisely the reason that the Tom's in the states are being destroyed, so that no pieces can be smuggled to Iran.

[avgas]

Un-related to the MiG but saw this on the news today.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/4049048/Iran-unveils-unmanned-ambassador-of-death
A little, 60 years, behind don't you think?
And then there is the RNZAF.....

[Insanity_rules]

The Q & A on that auction is a hoot, bet there'd be a few dreamers with cash out there.

[onearmedbandit]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Aircraft/Aircraft/auction-312391325.htm

[FROSTY]

I suppose I'm the only one that can see the funny side of the fact its parked in a disabled zone.

[EJK]

I suppose I'm the only one that can see the funny side of the fact its parked in a disabled zone.

Mechanically speaking it's quite ironic, don't you think?



Sorry that was my futile attempt of a lame joke.

[MsKABC]

The Q&A alone are good for a laugh...

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=312051399

[Swoop]

Un-related to the MiG but saw this on the news today.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/middle-east/4049048/Iran-unveils-unmanned-ambassador-of-death

A little, 60 years, behind don't you think?
Some intel:

26 August, 2010: Iran recently announced that it had developed an armed UAV, with a range of 1,000 kilometers. Pictures of this new weapons showed what appeared to be a copy of 1950s era American cruise missile, or target drone. These, in turn, were based on a similar weapon, the German V-1 "buzz bomb" that was used extensively in World War II to bomb London. The Iranian "Karar" UAV has the benefit of more efficient jet engines, more effective flight control hardware and software, and GPS navigation. Karar is not a wonder weapon, but the Iranians are depending on a clueless international mass media, and their own citizens, to believe it is.
In the last few years Iran has announced many similar weapons. There was, for example, a domestically designed and manufactured, helicopter gunship and another UAV with a range of 2,000 kilometers. Recently, there have also been revelations of heavily armed speed boats, miniature submarines, new artillery rockets and much more. Two years ago they showed off a new Iranian made jet fighter, which appeared to be a make-work project for unemployed engineers. It was a bunch of rearranged parts on an old U.S. made F-5 (which was roughly equivalent to a 1950s era MiG-21). The new fighter, like so many other Iranian weapons projects, was more for PR than for improving military power.

If you go back and look at the many Iranian announcements of newly developed, high tech, weapons, all you find is a photo op for a prototype. Production versions of these weapons rarely show up. Iranians know that, while the clerics and politicians talk a tough game, they rarely do anything. Even Iranian support of Islamic terrorism has been far less effective than the rhetoric. The Iranians have always been cautious, which is one reason Arabs fear them. When the Iranians do make their move, it tends to be decisive. But at the moment, the Iranians have no means to make a decisive move. Their military is mostly myth, having been run down by decades of sanctions, and the disruptions of the 1980s war with Iraq. Their most effective weapon is bluster, and, so far, it appears to be working.

But the Iranians know that nuclear weapons would make their bluff and bluster even more muscular. Even the suspicion that they had nukes would be beneficial. And that appears to be the current plan. One new weapon the Iranians do put a lot of money and effort into are ballistic missiles. They are building an extended range (from 1,300 to 1,800 kilometer) version of their Shahab 3 ballistic missile. The new version puts all of Israel within range, even if fired from deep inside Iran. Chemical warheads (with nerve gas) are thought to be available for these missiles. But Israel has threatened to reply with nuclear weapons if the Iranians attack this way. Iran would probably get the worst of such an exchange, and the Iranians are aware of it.

Not all of the clerics that run the country are eager to go to war with Israel, or even threaten it. But because the clerical factions do not want to appear at odds with each other in public, the more radical leaders are allowed to rant away about attacking Israel. That's also the thinking behind the many IRGC press conferences announcing imaginary new weapons. The clerics are not going spend billions on mass production of second rate systems that are most notable for being designed in Iran.

[Quasievil]

A Coalition of Forces needs to go into Iran with urgency and blow that nuclear power plant up very damn quickly, that idiot Ahmadinejad has made no secret of the fact that glory to Islam will be restored with the destrustion of Israel, and thats his lifes ambition.
It Needs a coalition of Airforces from around the world to note a very strong message that YOU MAY NOT HAVE THIS.

As long as it goes on You tube of course !!:yes:

[Swoop]

It Needs a coalition of Airforces from around the world...
I imagine that one Air Force has that scenario already well planned out...:shifty:

[cs363]

I imagine that one Air Force has that scenario already well planned out...:shifty:

I have no idea who you could be referring to.... :shifty:

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