Only a $50 fine for no helmet?

[SMOKEU]

I just watched Road Cops, and I was surprised to find that the dude on the AG100 only got fined $50 for no helmet, whereas he got fined $200 each for no WOF and no rego. Now I wonder what is more dangerous; no helmet or no rego....

[Latte]

Yep, mrs gave me a scowl when I mentioned how it might work out cheaper to not buy a new helmet and just risk the fines :P

And the guy on the trumpy, I know for a fact I couldnt scare up 9g with a few phone calls. Niiiice bike though.

[Maha]

Putting the Law aside for one moment......um, both Fuckwits.
675 Triumph, riding outside license (either on learners or restricted) and $9K worth of fines?
Hope he sells the bike to pay back his equally fuckwit mates. (fuckwits for paying his fines on the spot)

[Racey Rider]

Hated the way they edited the program.

Just tell one story at a time. Stop cutting in and out of each incident throughout the whole programe!

[SMOKEU]

Hated the way they edited the program.

Just tell one story at a time. Stop cutting in and out of each incident throughout the whole programe!

It really does piss me off how most of these 'reality' shows do that!

[Brian d marge]

I just watched Road Cops, and I was surprised to find that the dude on the AG100 only got fined $50 for no helmet, whereas he got fined $200 each for no WOF and no rego. Now I wonder what is more dangerous; no helmet or no rego....

Rego , and Wof hence the largess of the fine. Goes into the general fund ,,, and that pays for the beehive

Stephen

[pzkpfw]

It's also much easier to spot a rider without a helmet than a bike with expired/no license or W.O.F.

I'd suspect that has a hand in making those fines higher; more deterence to do it in the first place, because it seems easier to "get away with".

[Kickaha]

I just watched Road Cops, and I was surprised to find that the dude on the AG100 only got fined $50 for no helmet, whereas he got fined $200 each for no WOF and no rego. Now I wonder what is more dangerous; no helmet or no rego....

Well the $50 fine hasn't increased since 1988 then (don't ask me how I know :whistle:)

[rabidnz]

$50 bucks and the ticket from the cops confirming that you are a bit of a retard for not wearing a helmet

[Renegade]

i thought the cop must have given him the wrong fine for the helmet, im sure it was meant to be $150, i know a bicycle fine for no helmet is $55 :innocent:

[AllanB]

$50 no helmet.

$150 for no seat-belt (obviously in a car ya funny buggers).

[monkey99]

I just watched Road Cops, and I was surprised... Now I wonder what is more dangerous; no helmet or no rego....

What about U-Turning coppers? :innocent:

[Patrick]

i thought the cop must have given him the wrong fine for the helmet, im sure it was meant to be $150, i know a bicycle fine for no helmet is $55 :innocent:

Yep - no lid = $50 now... was $150.... but to appease those claiming it was all revenue collecting, one of the new reduced revenue collecting fines.....


What about U-Turning coppers? :innocent:

$150 for failing to give way....

[saltydog]

I sat there watching it as well, even said to wifey i'd love to risk a ride through town just for giggles. There is something liberating and naughty about not wearing one. I rode the length of Nusa Tengara (Bali to Timur via lombok, Flores, Sumbawa, Sumba) without a helmet. Picked up a few fines there but.

[Toaster]

Hated the way they edited the program.

Just tell one story at a time. Stop cutting in and out of each incident throughout the whole programe!

They are trying to make it "cool". How many times do they need to show close up shots of the front wheel going around??????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyone not wearing a helmet is a complete idiot. He was so thick he could have been used to shield the new nuclear facility in Iran. Twat.

[Rogue Rider]

Well, I like previous mentioned hated the editing format. It is a real put off and I would be reluctant to waste an evening to watch it again.
Back in the day, an MOT officer would have pulled the dude over on the ag, and had a chat. He would have most likely said, "now, whats the story sonny, (he would have called him sonny cause he probably knew his name, cause he was a real policeman) what brings you to be riding along the road without a helmet" The rider would have given an explanation like this, "well mr officer, i was just running my brother home from the farm, he been helpin me wif diggin some ditches" "well sonny, your probably used to it on the farm, but on the road, you really need to use a helmet. How far you goin, right, look I'll help you out this time, I'll take your bro home for you, and you can head back to the farm aye" Oh cheers mr officer, thank you....... No Fine. Education, and No stuck up wench police officer with an attitude.
I notice that the police all have attitude of "I'll nab the sucker, or but I'll only ping em for this much...... like that is being gracious, and educational. Everyone is sooooo appreciative of there consideration and good manners.

[steve_t]

Well, I like previous mentioned hated the editing format. It is a real put off and I would be reluctant to waste an evening to watch it again.
Back in the day, an MOT officer would have pulled the dude over on the ag, and had a chat. He would have most likely said, "now, whats the story sonny, (he would have called him sonny cause he probably knew his name, cause he was a real policeman) what brings you to be riding along the road without a helmet" The rider would have given an explanation like this, "well mr officer, i was just running my brother home from the farm, he been helpin me wif diggin some ditches" "well sonny, your probably used to it on the farm, but on the road, you really need to use a helmet. How far you goin, right, look I'll help you out this time, I'll take your bro home for you, and you can head back to the farm aye" Oh cheers mr officer, thank you....... No Fine. Education, and No stuck up wench police officer with an attitude.
I notice that the police all have attitude of "I'll nab the sucker, or but I'll only ping em for this much...... like that is being gracious, and educational. Everyone is sooooo appreciative of there consideration and good manners.

Huh? Did we watch the same show? The show I saw had a dude that refused to stop. When he finally stopped the convo was
"why are you riding on the road without a helmet?"
"I'm not on the road"
"What do you call this?"
"Uh... the road."

The worst part was that he had his little brother on the back without a helmet too.

And of course the best part was "I didn't stop because the bike doesn't have any brakes"

It makes me laugh that people like the dude in his missus' Subaru and the agro woman whose rego ran out and was driving without her seatbelt as well as without her glasses on get so shitty at the cops because the cops are enforcing the law. Either don't break the law in the first place or at least man up and take the consequences of getting caught without whining like a bitch and complaining about the cops.

The editing is crap like that cos they want you to sit and watch the whole show to find out what happens. If they did each piece one at a time, you're less likely to watch the entire thing... well, that's my theory anyway. But I agree, it's a pain in the ass

[Kickaha]

I notice that the police all have attitude of "I'll nab the sucker, or but I'll only ping em for this much...... like that is being gracious, and educational. Everyone is sooooo appreciative of there consideration and good manners.


Would you rather they had the attitude "I'll nab the sucker but I'll ping him for everyfucking thing I can"?

The guy riding the bike was being a cock he deserved everything he got

[duckonin]

Yep - no lid = $50 now... was $150.... but to appease those claiming it was all revenue collecting, one of the new reduced revenue collecting fines.....



$150 for failing to give way....

Tell that to the cop in the South it cost him more than $150 4 'failing to give way.:yes:

[Banditbandit]

Anyone not wearing a helmet is a complete idiot.

Talk about being sucked in by the bullshit propoganda ...

Many of us remember the days before helmets were legally required ... and the fight we had to keep it that way ... we lost ... just like we've largely lost the ACC battle ..

[red mermaid]

Oh yeah, the good old days of the 1950's, or was it the 1960's.

It used to great tootling along on the BSA or Enfield avoiding the sheep on SH 1 as you puttered along at 30 mph.

[oldrider]

Huh? Did we watch the same show? The show I saw had a dude that refused to stop. When he finally stopped the convo was
"why are you riding on the road without a helmet?"
"I'm not on the road"
"What do you call this?"
"Uh... the road."

The worst part was that he had his little brother on the back without a helmet too.

And of course the best part was "I didn't stop because the bike doesn't have any brakes"

It makes me laugh that people like the dude in his missus' Subaru and the agro woman whose rego ran out and was driving without her seatbelt as well as without her glasses on get so shitty at the cops because the cops are enforcing the law. Either don't break the law in the first place or at least man up and take the consequences of getting caught without whining like a bitch and complaining about the cops.

The editing is crap like that cos they want you to sit and watch the whole show to find out what happens. If they did each piece one at a time, you're less likely to watch the entire thing... well, that's my theory anyway. But I agree, it's a pain in the ass

I guess these are sprinklings of the more intelligent new Zealand citizens on display! :mellow:

[Banditbandit]

Oh yeah, the good old days of the 1950's, or was it the 1960's.

It used to great tootling along on the BSA or Enfield avoiding the sheep on SH 1 as you puttered along at 30 mph.

It was the end of 1973 (I think - about then anyway) when they introduced compulsory helmets in Godzone ... and bikes then would go passed the ton .. even Enfields. (BSA's had been doing it for years)

[red mermaid]

Oh ok, thats only 37 years ago.



It was the end of 1973 (I think - about then anyway) when they introduced compulsory helmets in Godzone ... and bikes then would go passed the ton .. even Enfields. (BSA's had been doing it for years)

[avgas]

No wof is definitely more dangerous.
No wof means he could do everything in his power and the bike would fail causing a crash.
No helmet just means he will only make one mistake in his life. And the the general public will never have to deal with him again.

I say decrease the fine for no helmet to $10

[Banditbandit]

No wof is definitely more dangerous.
No wof means he could do everything in his power and the bike would fail causing a crash.
No helmet just means he will only make one mistake in his life. And the the general public will never have to deal with him again.

I say decrease the fine for no helmet to $10

I hate to point this out ... but I've dropped a bike when I had no helmet on .. and I'm stilll here ...

[avgas]

I hate to point this out ... but I've dropped a bike when I had no helmet on .. and I'm stilll here ...
Consider yourself lucky. If a cop caught you it would have cost you $50

[Banditbandit]

Consider yourself lucky. If a cop caught you it would have cost you $50

Naaa .. I dropped it before helmets were required ... yeah I know ... I'm old

[avgas]

Naaa .. I dropped it before helmets were required ... yeah I know ... I'm old
Nah I let you off. Its too hard to hand shift* and wear a helmet :scooter:
(*old bike ref)

[scumdog]

I guess these are sprinklings of the more intelligent new Zealand citizens on display! :mellow:


The scarey thing is John - we are sharing the roads with the above mentioned lackwits and vacuum brains...

[SMOKEU]

I say decrease the fine for no helmet to $10

Wearing a helmet should not be mandatory; at least then we can eliminate some more idiots from the gene pool.

[The Pastor]

all you pussies who need helmets and brakes to ride! HA! I can ride my bike with no handlebars.

[scumdog]

all you pussies who need helmets and brakes to ride! HA! I can ride my bike with no handlebars.


Ferk, I just need a bike - no motor involved!

[Big Dave]

I ride my bike like it's got no handlebars.

fixed for 10

[cowboyz]

really??? ppl do know we are talking about a POS AG farm bike that was probably lucky to be doing 40k/hr! I used to whip up to the runoff all teh time on the road with no helmet on. I thought the cop was being a prentenious bitch anyhow.

[Banditbandit]

The scarey thing is John - we are sharing the roads with the above mentioned lackwits and vacuum brains...

Who are you calling a lackwit and a vak .. vacum .. errr .. THAT ??

[Reckless]

Yep - no lid = $50 now... was $150.... but to appease those claiming it was all revenue collecting, one of the new reduced revenue collecting fines......

WTF: They put the ACC levies up and the fines for no helmet DOWN??
Next year we will read head injuries are up and ACC has to go up again!
WTF: There just ain't no sense in this world anymore??

[davereid]

Wearing a helmet should not be mandatory; at least then we can eliminate some more idiots from the gene pool.

The facts sadly don't support you.

In spite of our passionate belief in the effectiveness of helmets, which logic tells us just must make us safer, the evidence is less clear cut.

Getting on a motorcycle made you somewhere between 18 and 25 times more likely to die in a motor accident than a car driver.

So there is no doubt that you have to be an idiot to ride a motorcycle.

But a helmet ?

It makes such a minor difference to survival rates that it can't be clearly seen in NZ data, which actually peaks with the most deaths after helmets were introduced.

(This is caused by the first oil crisis which pushed lots of kiwis onto bikes, rather than any increase caused by helmets.).

And even international data, collected over years, and for the purpose of "proving" helmets are wonderful manages only to credit them with a 0.3 to 0.5 times improvement.

Year - Deaths Motor Cyclist & Pillion
1965-170
1966-162
1967-188
1968-179
1969-179
1970-211
1971-227
1972-225
1973-250
1974-190
1975-170
1976-180
1977-207
1978-176
1979-140
1980-163

So, wear your helmet.

But be very very aware that it is not a panacea.

The laws of physics tell us that your helmet will be very good at preventing abrasion.
And not very good at reducing brain injury.
And possibly implicated in increasing spinal injury.

And also consider that it is not a binary.

A helmet does not necessarily change it from "Dead" to "Uninjured".

There are a lot of people with serious brain and spinal injuries, well and truly alive, and counted in the "helmet saved me" figures.

Its my view that we strap on a helmet, and somehow think we are now "ok" or "safe".

This is a view of the helmet as a magical tool. Its not. Its just 2kg of plastic.

[Banditbandit]

Now let me see .. If helmet laws came in in December, 1973, and helmets are designed to reduce motorcycle accident deahs, then the figures for motorcycle deaths should drop in the number of deaths in 1974 and thereafter ...

So let us look at you figures ......

Oh look ... in 1973 there were 250 motorcycle accident deaths and in 1974 there were 190 ... A 24% drop ... that's statistically significant ... I wonder what occurred to make that drop .... THAT'S RIGHT - HELMETS BECAME COMPULSORY ... and in 1975 and 1976 there was a further drop ... (Maybe we all caught up and bought helmets ...)

Yeah it goes up again ... (lots of people bought small cheap jap crap around that time - cheap commuter transport) so I'd need to comapre it to bikes on the road as well ...

But it certainly looks like an impact to me .. and pretty immediate ...

[davereid]

Now let me see .. If helmet laws came in in December , 1973, and helmets are designed to reduce motorcycle accident deahs, then the figures for motorcycle deaths should drop in the number of deaths in 1974 and thereafter ...

So let us look at you figures ......

Oh look ... in 1973 there were 250 motorcycle accident deaths and in 1974 there were 190 .. I wonder what occured that made that drop .... HELMETS BECAME COMPULSORY ... and in 1975 and 1976 there was a further drop ... (Maybe we all caught up and bought helmets ...)

Yeah it goes up again ... (lots of people bought smal cheap jap crap) so I'd need to comapre it to bikes on the road as well ...

But it certainly looks like an impact to me .. and pretty immediate ...

Hmm I understood helmets became compulsory in 1971 for speeds above 30mph, and fully compulsory in 1973.

I could stand corrected there.

I don't see it as particularly relevant, as the rate returned to pretty similar to the rate for the 60s.

Not the massive change predicted.

[steve_t]

Dave, interesting reading. Have you got access to the total number of motorcycle accidents in each year? Or, slightly less relevant but relevant nonetheless, the total number of motorbikes registered in NZ in each year? I'm amazed nobody's actually done a study. We should hit up some university kids to do one

[gazmascelle]

so..

fine for no helmet on a MC - $50

any old open face helmet might avoid this fine, but will still leave your chin/face/etc all over the road after a bad whoops

even a full face helmet will often serve no purpose other than providing something to scoop your remains from the road after an accident

fine for no helmet on a bicycle - $55! haha


Is everyone running our government fucked in the head? OK so my last helmet saved me from a very sore face last year when my suzuki found itself under a car though.. maybe they're not so bad :niceone:

[SMOKEU]

I thought the cop was being a prentenious bitch anyhow.

I can't say I blame her after he took that long to stop, even with no brakes.

[Kickaha]

There are a lot of people with seriious brain and spinal injuries, well and truly alive, and counted in the "helmet saved me" figures.

Something you've said on a few occasions but so far you have been unable to provide any figures to back up your claim when asked to

[avgas]

Wearing a helmet should not be mandatory; at least then we can eliminate some more idiots from the gene pool.
Sadly my friend. The fuckers breed faster than they kill themselves according to stats.
This is why the USA seems to get more and more of them as time continues.

[SMOKEU]

Sadly my friend. The fuckers breed faster than they kill themselves according to stats.
This is why the USA seems to get more and more of them as time continues.

Someone needs to tell them to put the dick down.

[avgas]

There are a lot of people with seriious brain and spinal injuries, well and truly alive, and counted in the "helmet saved me" figures.
Hey some of us were brain damaged before the crash.
It's "serious" by the way

[SMOKEU]

Hey some of us were brain damaged before the crash.
It's "serious" by the way

That's probably half the reason for the crash happening in the first place.

[davereid]

Something you've said on a few occasions but so far you have been unable to provide any figures to back up your claim when asked to

Data on head injury and spinal injury rates due to motorcycle crashes does not seem to be publicly published, even assuming it is recorded.

However, your neck was designed only to carry the weight of your head. Simple physics dictates that adding 2 kg must have some effect on the structure.

The same applies to the severity of head injuries.

If we accept that a helmet mitigates the effects of an impact, we must also accept that there will be some injuries that would have resulted in brain injury to the point of death, that now result in brain injury to the brink of death.

I accept that it can't be directly demonstrated, as I can't find any direct data.

What I can find is that motorcycle death rates remained stable from the 60's through to the 80's.

But by the late 70's spinal injury rates had reached the point where we needed dedicated spinal units (1977 Otara) and 1979 (Burwood).

If you have ever been unfortunate enough to visit either of these places, you will find a good percentage of patients were motorcyclists.

It is not my view that helmets are of no value.

It is my view, that if you ride down the road helmet-less, and feel vulnerable, that is because you are.

It is also my view that if you ride down the road helmeted and feel invulnerable, that you should have a rethink, as statistically you are only a little safer than when helmet-less .

[Banditbandit]

I agree that helmets are of value. When they became compulsory I swore I would never ride with a full-face bucket. I finally got one when I moved to Wellington and had to commute in that gawd-awful weather. At least I got to work reasonably dry.

The first time I dumped a bike with a full-face helmet on the chin piece looked like someone had taken an angle-grinder to it. That would have been my face in an open-face helmet. So I've never ridden without a full-face since. Dropped a bike badly since then - and was very thankful for the full-face helmet - the helmet was badly damaged, but I walked away (well, limped away) and only had mild concusion.

Davereid: I agree the stats you gave us don't completely support the value of helmets and there is an increase in deaths after that initial period ... but as I said, that was a time when there was an increase in bikes on the road as people bought them for cheap transport, so a full comparison of deaths per 100 bikes on the road would show a better picture.

Regardless - Helmets save lives and I would not ride without one ever again.

[barty5]

No wof is definitely more dangerous.
No wof means he could do everything in his power and the bike would fail causing a crash.
No helmet just means he will only make one mistake in his life. And the the general public will never have to deal with him again.

I say decrease the fine for no helmet to $10

Why not pay the person when caught wth no helmet :yes:

[Patrick]

.....but I'll only ping em for this much...... like that is being gracious, and educational. Everyone is sooooo appreciative of there consideration and good manners.

Bastards.... cutting slack like that.... don't they realise there is a quota to achieve? Blardy useless....:innocent:


Tell that to the cop in the South it cost him more than $150 4 'failing to give way.:yes:

Ah... but injuries or worse increases the fines.....


WTF: They put the ACC levies up and the fines for no helmet DOWN??
Next year we will read head injuries are up and ACC has to go up again!
WTF: There just ain't no sense in this world anymore??

Tis a conspiracy.....:shutup: