Rego increases [Archive] - Kiwi Biker forums

Baldy

24th August 2010, 20:17

Rogue Rider

24th August 2010, 20:20

I would be definately doing that myself if I had a second vehicle.

fossil

24th August 2010, 22:24

:Punk: hi boys and girls hope those in'' powers to be dept'' realise wot a dik head decision they have made,uping rego , bet they are losing money , most bikers i have spoken, to today have g
ot there rego on hold and will only be riding in the spring and summer months:innocent:.S o id say they are going to lose out:yes:I re reg in oct,:blink: baldy

ride to live live to ride now on hold:Punk:

I bet they are laughing their heads off. Wet roads, dark longer, grit everywhere,less bikes on the road = less chance of a accident. When you register your bike in October you will still pay the motorcycle safety levy of $30.00 anyway, better weather,less grit and shit on the roads = less chance of an accident. My mate registered his diesel hilux ute and it cost about the same as his cbr1000rr.

Marmoot

25th August 2010, 12:04

I wonder what would happen next year.

Math said that "Half the population x similar cost = twice the levy per head".

Unless those with rego-on-hold stops riding.
But then again, they might not be the ones with accidents either.
Interesting.

Berries

25th August 2010, 20:43

bet they are losing money , most bikers i have spoken, to today have g
ot there rego on hold and will only be riding in the spring and summer months:innocent:.S o id say they are going to lose out:yes
Can't see the problem. Putting your rego on hold and not riding isn't exactly a protest is it, that's why you are allowed to do it. If you aren't riding then you aren't going to be involved in a bike crash so I am sure the ACC will be happy to lose the income, seeing as they will also reduce the payouts.

It is those people who are going to protest by putting the rego on hold and still ride that will cause the agro. Less income but no decrease in payouts will lead to some changes. I wonder what the ACC will do when they start seeing people getting injured who are riding bikes that have purposefully been put on hold as a big FU to them ? I wouldn't have thought that those claims are going to be very successful.

SMOKEU

25th August 2010, 21:52

I refuse to pay the government any more than I have to in taxes. Rego on hold for me then!

mrchips

25th August 2010, 22:14

I can't complain, I drive a 5.7 L V8 tank & pay the same $ 281.61 yr rego as Mr & Mrs Greeny in their yota prius.

Although I feel sorry for private non-petrol vans & utes paying from $ 583.81 yr rego. When you compare that to a 600cc + bike the $ 517.25 yr rego doesn't seem to bad !

MarkH

6th September 2010, 14:33

Although I feel sorry for private non-petrol vans & utes paying from $ 583.81 yr rego. When you compare that to a 600cc + bike the $ 517.25 yr rego doesn't seem to bad !

The biker still pays more to ACC - the diesel is cheaper than petrol partly because there is no ACC levy on diesel but there is on petrol.

duckonin

6th September 2010, 15:13

:Punk: hi boys and girls hope those in'' powers to be dept'' realise wot a dik head decision they have made,uping rego , bet they are losing money , most bikers i have spoken, to today have g
ot there rego on hold and will only be riding in the spring and summer months:innocent:.S o id say they are going to lose out:yes:I re reg in oct,:blink: baldy

ride to live live to ride now on hold:Punk:

The 'powers to be Dept' will laugh when they read this as you are making their new system work the way they want it to..."Another one off the road".:yes:

Lose out, no only you, as you now cannot ride your bike, as for the money if they do not make enough this year they will lift the costs higher next year, Matey they never lose!!:innocent:

rabidnz

6th September 2010, 15:18

rego strike!

Juzz976

6th September 2010, 15:56

I'm only registering my bike, if I use the car I take bike rego with me and If I get pulled up I'll explain my reasoning

Big Col

6th September 2010, 16:47

Just put bike on rego hold today; lady at the Post Office said quite a few bikes were going on hold. I will still ride whenever I feel like it, Ive got one bike registered and one not. Not gonna pay two ACC levys, Ive only got one body to injure.

myvice

9th September 2010, 04:29

It sucks, why cant we reg the bike for the admin fee of $20? Or whatever it is, and then its $500 for the rider for the year…
For those with more than one bike it’s the fairer deal.
Or, how’s this for madness, teach people to look out of their fucking windows when they drive?

Still pissed off...

Max Preload

15th September 2010, 11:03

It sucks, why cant we reg the bike for the admin fee of $20? Or whatever it is, and then its $500 for the rider for the year…Can nobody ride the other bikes while you're out on one of them?

Deano

15th September 2010, 11:49

Govt and ACC revenue via rego is decreasing, but I don't think accident costs will decrease proportionally. 2 factors for this are fair weather riders (me included) having rego on hold over winter, but the same chances of a crash in summer cause I don't really ride in winter anyway.

Then there are those that will put rego on hold and still ride.

So, I'm picking the rego will rise even sharper in years to come for this shortfall.

No win situation.

Waxxa

15th September 2010, 15:00

you have a point there Deano. Cost of accidents and rehab go up, revenue goes down, increase in the levies!

Just suck up the increase guys because it wont decrease in the future. Lets stop having accidents instead and then maybe the levy wont increase in the next few years to come.

The levy increase on us bikers is unfair, i agree!

Owl

15th September 2010, 15:07

So, I'm picking the rego will rise even sharper in years to come for this shortfall.

Maybe, or they'll wise up and increase the infringement fee to discourage non-payment?

retro asian

15th September 2010, 15:12

Getting very tempted to sell my VL800 and replace with a much safer to ride (and hence cheaper to rego) Yamaha R6...

Max Preload

15th September 2010, 15:50

Lets stop having accidents instead and then maybe the levy wont increase in the next few years to come.I've been looking for a set of rose-tinted glasses. Where did you get yours from? They're clearly very effective.

mrchips

15th September 2010, 19:13

The biker still pays more to ACC - the diesel is cheaper than petrol partly because there is no ACC levy on diesel but there is on petrol.

Don't they pay RUC as well ? either way....

I've decide if i'm paying $517 / yr rego i may as well get my money's worth so I've abandoned the loser cruiser & now commute to work on the bike. Its a Win win situation ! Free parking, cheap as chips petrol + life gained is priceless.

Now, where did i put my rainsuit ?

duckonin

15th September 2010, 19:20

Getting very tempted to sell my VL800 and replace with a much safer to ride (and hence cheaper to rego) Yamaha R6...

Yes the twits got that wrong, for real !!!:yes:

MarkH

15th September 2010, 19:27

Don't they pay RUC as well ?

Yes, petrol costs at the pump include an ACC component as well as a road user tax. Diesel does not include either of those things so they pay more ACC levy in their rego as well as having to pay the RUC.

MarkH

15th September 2010, 19:34

Getting very tempted to sell my VL800 and replace with a much safer to ride (and hence cheaper to rego) Yamaha R6...

As you should - I am sure your VL800 would have a chassis number that starts with 666 - being over 600cc it is obviously an agent of the devil! There are many much more saintly choices such as the R6 as well as the GSXR-600, CBR600RR & ZX-6R ('07 onwards). These 600cc bikes are clearly much safer vehicles and the ACC levy charges reflect this. A far more dangerous machine that these 600cc safe ones would be the Suzuki Burgman AN650 - a crazy dangerous ride of the most hardened thrill seekers if I have ever seen one.

dieseldave

15th September 2010, 19:54

Bro in Oz says bikes over 200cc $AUD 700.00! $800 for 500cc ->.
200cc $264.00 actual cost for his rego.

riffer

15th September 2010, 20:12

Yes more bikers are putting their bikes rego on hold. Here are the official figures so far up to July. Expect more after July (we don't have those figures yet):

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myvice

28th September 2010, 02:35

Can nobody ride the other bikes while you're out on one of them?

No! Ride ya own fucking bike!
74cc over!
So very impressed.
Hope Mr Smith accidentally strangles himself to death while making toast.

roogazza

9th October 2010, 07:28

My rego just came in again, this time with the $517 fee listed for 12 mths. Bit of a shock seeing that.
In the last 6 mths I have ridden once, maybe its time to go on hold ?(and I suppose there's a fee for that too ?)
When's summer again ? December to March ? maybe I'll do it for 3 mths.

davereid

9th October 2010, 07:44

Just suck up the increase guys because it wont decrease in the future.

My plan is simpler than that.

By NOT PAYING my bike regos, I'm saving well over $2000 a year. So far, it hasn't cost me a cent in fines so I'm quids in.

At some stage I'll have to register - possibly when automatic number plate cameras dot our fair land, or if they think of something else to encourage me.

At that time, I won't be interested in paying to register half a dozen bikes, I'll have to drop down to just one.

I can then pay for that with the savings I have made by not paying in the mean time. And for the mean time I have had the enjoyment of a garage full of lovely motorcycles.

ACC are already the loser. But even when they manage to find a way to make me pay, I'll only be paying for 1 bike, not 5 or 6.

And as I will be doing exactly the same annual mileage, they have just reduced their income, while providing the same benefits.

I'll be the loser too, as the enjoyment I gain from those other bikes will be lost.

But I'm postponing that day as long as I can, it will happen only when they get systems good enough to make it happen, I'll not be doing it voluntarily.

Max Preload

10th October 2010, 00:10

At that time, I won't be interested in paying to register half a dozen bikes, I'll have to drop down to just one.Or at least, one licensed plate... :shifty:

mrchips

10th October 2010, 06:45

There should be a discount for the registered owners of multiple 'private' motor vehicles at least, just makes common sence ?

As many have said, you can only ride one at a time.

Max Preload

10th October 2010, 12:43

There should be a discount for the registered owners of multiple 'private' motor vehicles at least, just makes common sence ?

As many have said, you can only ride one at a time.And someone else can ride/drive the others.

MarkH

10th October 2010, 15:37

And someone else can ride/drive the others.

That's the problem isn't it - one person may own 4 bikes and a family might own 4 bikes. The person that is the only one to use their 4 bikes is paying 4 lots of ACC levy (over $2K now) and is getting overcharged terribly. The family that has 4 bikes between 4 riders is paying what they should. If you allow one person to register 4 bikes and only pay one ACC levy then you might find that both examples register 4 bikes in one name and save a heap of ACC levy, but the family of 4 riders is ripping off the system. A parking warden can't tell if the system is being ripped off - the bike they are looking at IS registered. A police officer that runs a license plate check can see that the bike IS registered.

ACC takes the easy way out and requires every vehicle registered to pay the ACC levy - which of course is going to be unfair on some. Not that they give a fuck about any of us, of course.

The solution:
Allow competition - some competitor would run through a check list and decide a fair accident insurance premium which you pay, then you don't need to pay an ACC levy on your rego or on petrol you buy. If they privatise ACC then surely they will have to open it up to competition?

breakaway

10th October 2010, 15:47

If they privatise ACC then surely they will have to open it up to competition?

Yeah, because that's worked for so many other countries right? Oh wait.

baptist

12th October 2010, 20:57

MaxB

12th October 2010, 21:25

Why not scrap all rego's and put it all on the price of petrol, that way you get a real user pays system. I guess this might cause a few strops from the owners of big 4x4's and V8's but it may be the fairest thing to do? just a naughty thoughty:innocent:

But the guvermint robbers seem to prefer fixed fees to levies because we can choose not to drive so much or buy luxury goods but with stuff like rates, income tax and regos they can hike them them anytme they want.

pzkpfw

12th October 2010, 21:56

Why not scrap all rego's and put it all on the price of petrol, that way you get a real user pays system. I guess this might cause a few strops from the owners of big 4x4's and V8's but it may be the fairest thing to do? just a naughty thoughty:innocent:

Surely someone has the numbers: how much ACC gets out of regos, and how much petrol is burned in NZ.

That'd tell us how much the petrol would have to go up, if the ACC fee went down.

(Of course, ACC want us "dangerous bikes" to pay more than those "safe cars", so they wouldn't think the petrol-fee idea is fair, anyway.)

((Presumably someone also has statistics to say whether more km's = more chance of accident or not. e.g. maybe it's the weekend riders (who buy less petrol so would pay less fees on that petrol) that crash more than regular riders?))

(((I don't think any system will be fully "fair" for everyone. Which is why I think the old system was best - just spread the cost out as much as possible over a large group, and tough luck that some car drivers "subsidise" bike riders.)))

davereid

13th October 2010, 06:37

Surely someone has the numbers: how much ACC gets out of regos, and how much petrol is burned in NZ.

That'd tell us how much the petrol would have to go up, if the ACC fee went down.

Yep. I did it for the BIKEOI. The figure is $0.08 per litre if all fuels are taxed. Or $0.12 per litre if just petrol is taxed.

ACC won't buy this. The reason is they want to use Registration as a tool to engineer you into the sort of vehicle they want you in. So towards cars with ABS, ESC, multiple airbags and away from bikes etc.

The Government won't buy it either. They wish to privatise the motorvehicle insurance system and bring in compulsory third party insurance as an alternative.

This will cost much more than our current system, so first you need to be softened up, and second ACC needs to be fully funded, so it can be sold.

MarkH

13th October 2010, 13:34

Bigger bikes use more fuel, actually not so much bigger bikes as more powerful bikes - a GSXR-1000 will use more fuel than a ST-1300. So the bikes with more grunt (more dangerous) would pay more ACC per Km ridden than the smaller, slower commuter bikes - at least ACC should like that.

Even though I run up fairly high kms I'd be quite happy to pay ACC on fuel instead of rego.

baptist

13th October 2010, 20:51

I agree that the government would not like it for a multitude of reasons, but if bikers and other groups with an interest in the idea put pressure on their MP's etc, who knows, the government seem to like all this user pays stuff when it comes to new roads (tolls), it just seems to make sense and evens out the costs. :facepalm: I forgot for a minute then that most MP's don't care what we think as they are elected on a list:shit: :yes: I'll just :shutup:

Pixie

17th October 2010, 18:54

The "On Hold "rules are going to be reviewed.

In other words you won't be able to put a motorcycle "on Hold"

MarkH

17th October 2010, 20:35

The "On Hold "rules are going to be reviewed.

In other words you won't be able to put a motorcycle "on Hold"

How would that work for genuine cases? i.e. a motorcycle off the road for 6 months or a bike being repaired or customized and not currently running, etc.

breakaway

17th October 2010, 20:47

The "On Hold "rules are going to be reviewed.

You got a source for that? Or is that just more hearsay?

trailblazer

17th October 2010, 21:01

i agree that it sucks that rego has gone up. It stung me both with my bike and with my 4x4. So instead of crying about it i have just sold my 4x4 in favour of the bike as it is way cheaper to run and the money i save on rego i will just buy a rain suit and tough it out on shitty days. I would rather the increase would go onto the price of fuel but like others have said it ain't fair to those people that drive there safe toyota prius and its those sort of nana cars that they are tring to get us into instead of our bikes. I have heard from a mate that is a cop that there are alot more of the acc and police stops that they have just done in the coromandal for all over the country over the next year so if you chose to put rego on hold you will end up paying anyway.

Max Preload

18th October 2010, 00:57

The "On Hold "rules are going to be reviewed.

In other words you won't be able to put a motorcycle "on Hold"I've heard nothing regarding this and I keep my ear very close to the ground on these matters. Got a source?

rastuscat

20th October 2010, 18:07

You got a source for that? Or is that just more hearsay?

It's not hearsay.

The Ministry of Transport has several regional advisors regarding legislation. The one down here (earthquakeville) (and he's actually a good bugger) has talked about having to hand your plate in before the rego goes on hold. That way, if you're on hold and riding it'll be with no plate. You'll stick out like dogs nuts.

That looks like bing no problem for genuine cases, but would stop folk who are wroughting the system.

Of course, if you have no plate, you'll just twist the wrist and ride away, but that's another issue..............

imdying

20th October 2010, 18:10

For some it'll be just another reason not to stop for Her Majesties enforcers in'it.

What are the contact details for this MOT advisor rastuscat?

Corse1

20th October 2010, 19:20

Had a visitor from POM land here on the weekend. 70 quid for rego and 60 odd quid for MOT.
He nearly dropped dead when I told him what we pay:facepalm:

Virago

20th October 2010, 19:22

Had a visitor from POM land here on the weekend. 70 quid for rego and 60 odd quid for MOT.
He nearly dropped dead when I told him what we pay:facepalm:

What's their current price on petrol? They have a lot more tax built into their fuel prices.

baptist

21st October 2010, 18:50

What's their current price on petrol? They have a lot more tax built into their fuel prices.

I'm a POM and the Petrol is a heck of a lot more expensive in the UK but the wages are also a lot more than we get paid over here. Our Rego in comparison is a lot more. However, I'm not sure if any of our Road Tax was for any kind of ACC levy equivalent or if it was all just a central tax (we also pay national insurance in the UK which is for health care).