More pinlock questions

[st00ji]

so i recently replaced my aging HJC with a shoei xr1000. i'd always planned to put a pinlock in this helmet, which is an even stronger conviction since i discovered it fogs like a bastard if i should even think about closing the visor fully.

so i toddled down to the local parts store, to be told that i need a special pin lock visor, as well as the pinlock itself! effectively tripling the expected cost. to be fair to the guy it did indeed look like the pinlock did not come with the pins to affix it to my regular visor... and the special shoei pinlock visor had a spare pair of pins, so i guess i could convert another visor to take a pinlock fairly easily if i did cough up the extra. (handy for tinted option, since it appears i wont be able to close my visor without one)

so is that how it is, or am i being had? have not heard mention of this special visor before.

cheers!

ps - pretty unhappy with the way it fogs with the visor down, even at 100k its fog city. yes i have the vent open :P

[Spazman727]

I've got the same problem with my HJC CSR1, but only with my clear visor (my tinted one fogs a little but not nearly as much). I looked at the Pinlock website and they say that you need a special visor with pins on it. I've heard that shaving foam on the visor helps, but I haven't tried that yet. I don't know how much this special visor is but I'm thinking I'm going to need one sooner rather than later is I'm gonna stay upright.

[slofox]

I was pretty sure there was an "after market" version of pinlock that could be fitted to any helmet..?

Or maybe not - though I seem to remember a post on here about some such...

Anyone?

[onearmedbandit]

Pinlock sell a kit that enables you to attach one of their products to pretty much any visor.

http://www.webbikeworld.com/anti-fog-visor/

[Banditbandit]

I stuck a tiny piece of bluetack just where the visor touches the helmet (at the bottom) works a treat ... and bugga all cost ..

[st00ji]

it demists fine when the helmet is cracked open, but i have found in heavier rain water makes its way onto the inside of the visor - very difficult to clear while moving :D so i want to be able to keep the thing closed.

my HJC was fine with some catcrap sprayed in it - even standing still - but it doesnt seem to make a jot of difference with the shoei.

[ckai]

bugger, you should have brought the 1100. They have the pins already on the visor and it comes with a pinlock. I've got one on my clear and iridium visor.

But that's not the point. Yes you do need the visor with pins in unless you go with one of the universal solutions as mentioned above. It is a bit shit to tell you the truth. I suppose that's why the 1100 has the pins so people don't get pissed off buying another visor

[sinned]

bugger, you should have brought the 1100. They have the pins already on the visor and it comes with a pinlock. I've got one on my clear and iridium visor.

But that's not the point. Yes you do need the visor with pins in unless you go with one of the universal solutions as mentioned above. It is a bit shit to tell you the truth. I suppose that's why the 1100 has the pins so people don't get pissed off buying another visor

Does the 1100 fog without the pinlock fitted?

[st00ji]

yep i would of gotten an 1100 if the 1000 hadnt been so cheap.

i ended up getting the guy to order me a light smoked pinlock visor, which comes with a spare set of pins. i guess i will be able to use those to convert my clear visor for rainy days.

[ynot slow]

My Shoei fogs at slow speeds,and annoys when wet due to rain migrating inside visor if slightly open,although in summer is great,no fogging obviously,will get pinlock visor as present one has a few scratchs.

[ckai]

Does the 1100 fog without the pinlock fitted?

Nope fogs like a bitch. But you get a pinlock insert and a "pinned" visor with them as standard.

I think because they seal so well around the visor they're always gonna fog since the hot breath can't escape. Pinlock fixed it well though.

The 1000's would be good prices due to the 1100 coming out. The fit of the 1100 was so much better for me and I decided to stump for the little bit extra (I got a pretty good deal). The extra seemed like nothing when you consider the visors, better aero's and all that garbage. Love it and love the pinlock :)

[st00ji]

what was the 1100 out of interest? i only paid $400 for my 1000

[slydesigns]

Try an Icon Airframe, Mainframe or even the Domain2. The Airframe kicks ass, has the pin lock, removable liner, fog free visor, whisper kit like the $1000 helmets but for half the cost.

Freedom Suzuki in Palmy are finally bringing them in, otherwise try most shops in OZ and the US

[sinned]

The pinlock visor is brilliant and I should have bought one earlier. The visor is fitted to a Shoei Raid2 which fogged badly. I have just got back from a 266km ride in the rain which was most enjoyable and especially so now I can close the visor and have no fogging.

Riding in the rain is great when you have good gear. Back home dry as - very dirty bike though.

[Mully Clown]

The pinlocked visors certainly are good, definitely no fogging. There's also some adhesives from Fog City (I think) which do the same thing without requiring the pins. It's like selotaping a package of air on your visor, they work as well.

Of course I need glasses to ride and they fog up like a bitch anyway.

[insomnia01]

I had a spare set of pinlocks when I purchased my Shoei Muliti tech flip front which I managed to fit to my Nitro Aerotech, As long as you make the bead on the insert a nice tight fit you should have no issues with fogging. I have been using my Nitro whilst touring over the past 3mths or so in some really shit weather, passing through National park region regularly in the early hours as well as late in the day without any fogging what so ever. I can see fogging happening on the edges of the bead but it don't effect the inside portion, make sense ???

[ckai]

what was the 1100 out of interest? i only paid $400 for my 1000

Shit $400 is a good price :). I got the 1100 for $900 (graphics not plain) and they threw in my iridium visor ($200). The 1100's had just come out and the 1000's were selling for about $650 I think on special. So I thought the extra $250 was worth it.

[st00ji]

yep i got it off trademe, some place in the waikato getting rid of their last few. just plain black but for that price i couldnt argue!

hows the iridium visor? can ya wear at night?

[Ratti]

I have a shoei multitec. It fogged badly in all weathers with the chin thingy on it. But less with the pinlock in place. I still have to have to front vent open.
My correcting lenses fog like anything as well so its a bit of a lose lose situation. Im thinking maybe I need to whip the chin thingy off again and put up with a cold face to solve the problem.

Maybe I have a really warm head?

[BMCruiser]

I've just fitted a stick-in anti-fog liner to my visor and it seems to work well. Just $60 odd from Cycletreads. This was Oxford brand but I think there are other similar products around. The sticky part is just around the outside edge of the film.

[BoristheBiter]

what was the 1100 out of interest? i only paid $400 for my 1000

Very good price.

I have the Shoei X-sprite ($920) with pinlock as standard and it has never fogged up once, even in the fog.
I would never have anything else now as nothing (that i have seen) does it 100% of the time as these do.
I would spend the extra money and get them as once you fit them there is nothing else to do, just sit back and enjoy the ride.

Now if i can just shut that wind noise up.

[pritch]

Pinlocks are old tech and no longer the best option. If you can get a coated visor.

The shoie one isn't bad - and yes I had to buy another visor and an insert. The Arai one causes distortion of oncoming headlamps at night - not really up to the quality of the rest of the hat. I thought it might have just been mine but I read a comment in BIKE where the tester threw threw the pinlock away in exasperation.

[st00ji]

yep mines been in place for a few days now, and i can only say good things about it. has transformed the helmet from annoying to awesome, which is great. money well spent imo! i struggle to even fog the sections that are not covered by the pinlock, presumably something to do with the moisture absorbing trick its supposed to do.

[Quasi]

Pinlocks are old tech and no longer the best option. If you can get a coated visor.

Hope i am not being too thick here - but what do you mean by a coated visor?

[NZsarge]

Pinlocks are old tech and no longer the best option. If you can get a coated visor.

The Shoei one isn't bad - and yes I had to buy another visor and an insert. The Arai one causes distortion of oncoming headlamps at night - not really up to the quality of the rest of the hat. I thought it might have just been mine but I read a comment in BIKE where the tester threw threw the pinlock away in exasperation.

Interesting, never had an issue like that with any of my Pinlock inserts.

[onearmedbandit]

Interesting, never had an issue like that with any of my Pinlock inserts.

Neither. I've had 3 Arai lids and never had an issue with the pinlock.

[pritch]

Hope i am not being too thick here - but what do you mean by a coated visor?

Some visors come with a coating on the inside that prevents fogging. My Shark came with one, it has worked fine for three years plus. I haven't used it lately, the lining needs a wash and I'm waiting for a warm sunny day!

I understand some HJC hats have similar but I haven't tried theirs.

My AGV clear visor has a coating and it has worked just fine so far. Currently though I use a dark visor on that hat (of course?) and it isn't coated.

As stated the Arai has a pinlock and it's OK in the day, but not too good at night.
It doesn't fog, it just diffuses (?) car headlights spreading them over more of the visor area than is helpful. The Arai arrangement is great as long as you don't ride at night. Just the thing for sprotbike riders :whistle: :devil2:

[NZsarge]

I haven't used it lately, the lining needs a wash and I'm waiting for a warm sunny day!
Good luck with that! Best wait a while... Like summer even.


As stated the Arai has a pinlock and it's OK in the day, but not too good at night.
It doesn't fog, it just diffuses (?) car headlights spreading them over more of the visor area than is helpful. The Arai arrangement is great as long as you don't ride at night. Just the thing for sprotbike riders :whistle: :devil2:

Yeah i've done a reasonable amount of night riding and as I said haven't yet struck the problem you're referring to so I dunno mate...

[onearmedbandit]

As stated the Arai has a pinlock and it's OK in the day, but not too good at night.
It doesn't fog, it just diffuses (?) car headlights spreading them over more of the visor area than is helpful. The Arai arrangement is great as long as you don't ride at night. Just the thing for sprotbike riders :whistle: :devil2:

Different experience to me then. Are you talking about actual 'Arai' versions of the Pinlock or just Pinlocks put onto Arai lids?

[pritch]

Are you talking about actual 'Arai' versions of the Pinlock or just Pinlocks put onto Arai lids?

I don't remember buying any extras, it was bought new as a complete helmet a few months ago. It hasn't been exposed to any funny cleaning materials and has had only relatively little use.

Since the AGV currently has a dark visor, and the Shoei has a half tint, the Arai is first choice for bad light conditions. Maybe when summer arrives I can take the pinlock out?

I just assumed they were all like that, the BIKE coments indicate that mine isn't the only one. None of which means that none of them are any good.

But I'll want to have a bloody good look if I buy a replacement one:yes:

[slofox]

Interesting, never had an issue like that with any of my Pinlock inserts.

Nor have I...

[ckai]

yep i got it off trademe, some place in the waikato getting rid of their last few. just plain black but for that price i couldnt argue!

hows the iridium visor? can ya wear at night?

I always have iridium visors. It gives me that cool "I wonder what he looks like" biker look :) And I love seeing the disappointment when I take off the helmet :lol:

To be honest, I prefer the tint colour of the HJC iridiums to the Shoei ones. The HJC ones are a bronze compared to a black. In saying that, the quality of the shoei ones are light years better, sooo nice. So I don't mind the actual tint colour as much.

As for night riding...the wife has been caught and done it but it's dodgy. I haven't but I have been caught at dusk which was bad enough for my shitty eyes. I just carry the clear one around my waist in a visor bag if I think I'm gonna be caught.


Some visors come with a coating on the inside that prevents fogging. My Shark came with one, it has worked fine for three years plus. I haven't used it lately, the lining needs a wash and I'm waiting for a warm sunny day!

I understand some HJC hats have similar but I haven't tried theirs.

My AGV clear visor has a coating and it has worked just fine so far. Currently though I use a dark visor on that hat (of course?) and it isn't coated.

As stated the Arai has a pinlock and it's OK in the day, but not too good at night.
It doesn't fog, it just diffuses (?) car headlights spreading them over more of the visor area than is helpful. The Arai arrangement is great as long as you don't ride at night. Just the thing for sprotbike riders :whistle: :devil2:

Shit, I haven't had a problem at all with mine so must be the Arai. I especially like the new visors where the pinlock really wraps around the side. None of the crap with the edge of the pinlock getting in your view.

[NZsarge]

Shit, I haven't had a problem at all with mine so must be the Arai. I especially like the new visors where the pinlock really wraps around the side. None of the crap with the edge of the pinlock getting in your view.

It's possible but I doubt it. I'm on my 3rd Arai now, i've had a Chaser and i'm on my second RX7GP none of which have had and visual distortion issues. Arai i'm told are pretty particular about every facet of their helmet design including the visors. I'd be more inclined to say it's a Pinlock distortion issue if anything. Although i've never experience an issue with them either.