MAG-NZ launches in New Zealand

[Mom]

It is with great pleasure we announce the arrival of MAG-NZ to the biker scene in New Zealand. While our official launch date is October 3rd 2010 we have launched our website today and invite you to come in and find out a bit more about us.

www.mag-nz.org

Motorcycle Action Group of New Zealand (MAG-NZ) has been formed by bikers, for bikers and promises a new era of meaningful and purposeful representation for bikers in New Zealand.

As the name suggests MAG-NZ is about Action.

As an organisation we are committed to upholding bikers freedoms, and resisting imposed restrictions and laws which impede those freedoms.

We will do so actively, we will not passively accept the eroding of our legal right to ride. MAG-NZ believes that bikers themselves understand, and are responsible for, the actions that are required to ensure their freedoms. We will not wait for others to do our job for us.

MAG-NZ believes there are 3 levels of action required;

• Personal;
• Local;
• National.

As an organisation MAG-NZ is committed to all three.

We also see the sense in belonging to an international group, committed to similar ideas. MAG-NZ has the support and backing of MAG-UK and will use the resources this affiliation brings to ensure we achieve our goals.

So, do not ask what MAG-NZ can do for you, rather, what can you do for your fellow bikers?

Membership of MAG-NZ is open to anyone regardless of what they ride. You don't even have to be a motorcycle owner - if you simply have "an interest" in motorcycles or things motorcycling we welcome your membership.
Join us today!

[NONONO]

Erm, who?
WoooHooo!

[Maha]

Congratulations MAG-NZ enjoy the ride.

[Bren]

Anne, what happened to BRONZ then? are they too old skool for todays times or what? If I were to join up with a biker neo-political group why would I choose MAG over BRONZ?

[Mom]

Anne, what happened to BRONZ then? are they too old skool for todays times or what? If I were to join up with a biker neo-political group why would I choose MAG over BRONZ?

BRONZ are still very much in evidence Bren. Read the website, MAG-NZ is definately NOT a politically motivated group.

[DEVVIL]

As the name suggests MAG-NZ is about Action.
Go MAG!!!

[Korumba]

Not to be confused with the BRUs NAG-NZ action group : )

Any T Shirts???????

[Mom]

Any T Shirts???????

Yes there will be t-shirts, and badges too :yes:

[caseye]

Not to be confused with the BRUs NAG-NZ action group : )

Any T Shirts???????

Ya Cheeky shit, hey mate hows the winterless Nirf?
Name says it all, time for some, come on in and get amongst it.

[Fatt Max]

Congratulations MAG-NZ enjoy the ride.

Looking forward to it....

[george formby]

Good stuff:yes:, Ian Mutch was in the shop a few times over the summer during his tour. Had a crack at taking his Harley up 90 mile beach.:yes: A bikers biker.:shit:

[Mom]

Good stuff:yes:, Ian Mutch was in the shop a few times over the summer during his tour. Had a crack at taking his Harley up 90 mile beach.:yes: A bikers biker.:shit:

Yeah, he said it was a pity we were not ready to go when he was here. Still we are here now.

[Bender]

Well done, deserves support.

[MadDuck]

Looking forward to it....

Yep. Same here :yes:

[admenk]

Was in MAG back in the UK, good to see it arrive here as well, will definately be looking at joining.:yes: Be interested to see how you interact with BRONZ though. What we don't need, it two competing groups taking support of each other. Are there any plans for cooperation between the two?

[NONONO]

Was in MAG back in the UK, good to see it arrive here as well, will definately be looking at joining.:yes:

:yes:
Luverly Jubbly...see you on 3rd Oct then....

[yungatart]

A massive amount of work has gone on behind the scenes to launch MAG-NZ.
Well done to all those involved...
It will be interesting to see this baby develop!

[Big Dave]

If this can be a more workable or better option than BRONZ model I wish it well. I'm sure we all will.

At the moment what I see is it making the situation worse by further fragmenting the numbers represented.

The Ulysses club is the most quoted motorcycling advocate/spokesperson because they have the biggest membership.

We don't need 'another' action group - we need one strong one. I don't really care which one it is - but the answer isn't in duplication.

[Mom]

Was in MAG back in the UK, good to see it arrive here as well, will definately be looking at joining.:yes: Be interested to see how you interact with BRONZ though. What we don't need, it two competing groups taking support of each other. Are there any plans for cooperation between the two?

The Action Group have organised protest rides that BRONZ have supported in the past, I cant see any reason for that not to continue.

The Action group supported the BRONZ Damn the Levies protest last year. I personally put alot of time and effort into the background of that ride, I know members of MAG that marshalled and spoke at their Wellington protests.

[rustic101]

Whole heartedly agree with what Big Dave said.

Dependant on the approach it may be seen as 'just another group of munters'... I note there is a section on wire rope barriers, which are perfectly safe, yet there is nothing on rider safety or skills preventing riders from making contact with said objects.

As BD, said its about strength in unity. Ulysses appear to have at least some 'street cred', Which I must join eventually.

Good effort though and I wish you luck but it appears its just another group like BRONZ.

[St_Gabriel]

Well I wish it well and hope that it can further raise the awarenees that we are, in fact, road users with rights.

Have signed up with my 20 bucks, just remains to be seen if I renew it next year.....

BTW Was it an intentional slight against the Waikato where all the provinces started with a capital letter except the Waikato????

[GOONR]

Well I wish it well and hope that it can further raise the awarenees that we are, in fact, road users with rights.

Have signed up with my 20 bucks, just remains to be seen if I renew it next year.....

BTW was it an intentional slight against the Waikato where all the provinces started with a capital letter except the Waikato????

Welcome aboard,

I will sort out the W w issue.

[p.dath]

Just came across this organisation in another thread.

I'm not complete sure about the difference in focus between BRONZ and MAG-NZ. So when would someone join BRONZ and when would someone join MAG-NZ?

What is the organisational structure of MAG-NZ? Is there a board, chairman, or someone in control? How do policy's get decided? Is it a registered not for profit organisation? Does it have elections for those in charge? Is there some kind of charter? Are any financial reports published about the funds collected? Are funds audited?

[Maha]

Whole heartedly agree with what Big Dave said.

Dependant on the approach it may be seen as 'just another group of munters'... I note there is a section on wire rope barriers, which are perfectly safe, yet there is nothing on rider safety or skills preventing riders from making contact with said objects.

As BD, said its about strength in unity. Ulysses appear to have at least some 'street cred', Which I must join eventually.

Good effort though and I wish you luck but it appears its just another group like BRONZ.

McDonalds and Subway pedal the same product yet they taste very different.
MAG-NZ will never been seen as 'just another group of munters' trust me on this, I know the people involved, unlike yourself. But I thank you for your comment.

[Mom]

Just came across this organisation in another thread.

I'm not complete sure about the difference in focus between BRONZ and MAG-NZ. So when would someone join BRONZ and when would someone join MAG-NZ?

What is the organisational structure of MAG-NZ? Is there a board, chairman, or someone in control? How do policy's get decided? Is it a registered not for profit organisation? Does it have elections for those in charge? Is there some kind of charter? Are any financial reports published about the funds collected? Are funds audited?

I dont see MAG-NZ and BRONZ as mutually exclusive.

http://www.mag-nz.org/about-mag-nz/founding-members

Have a look here, this forms the basis of the official organisation. We have sent the forms to be registered so MAG-NZ will be an Incorporated Society. We are not for profit and this is clearly stated in our rules. We have a Management Committee of 12. Once we get the confirmation of our INC status you will be able to read our rules online. An AGM will be held annually no later than 5 months after the end of our financial year which is 31st March. Our books are required to be audited each year.

[bogan]

Just came across this organisation in another thread.

I'm not complete sure about the difference in focus between BRONZ and MAG-NZ. So when would someone join BRONZ and when would someone join MAG-NZ?

Just come along to our actions and decide whether you want to join us. While MAG-NZ and BRONZ do overlap on some issues and principals, we don't on others, so if you are happy with both, join both!

[Katman]

The site seems to be having problems processing my membership.

Subscription fee has been paid though - I'll email the membership secretary.

Best of luck for the future.

A fresh outlook should do wonders.

[Mom]

The site seems to be having problems processing my membership.

Subscription fee has been paid though - I'll email the membership secretary.

Best of luck for the future.

A fresh outlook should do wonders.

Thank you for your support, I hope the server copes with all the traffic it is getting.

[Big Dave]

I dont see MAG-NZ and BRONZ as mutually exclusive.

I see you competing for the same membership dollars and making both less viable.

This looks like we have a 2 party system where there wasn't enough constituents for one.

[cs363]

A fresh outlook should do wonders.

Probably the key statement....
Who is the front man/woman/person etc for MAG-NZ, as in who will be fronting up to the media and so on?

[Katman]

I see you competing for the same membership dollars and making both less viable.

Quite frankly, if 240 members is the best that BRONZ can show for all it's years of existance I'd question whether they're likely to be much competition.

[Mom]

Probably the key statement....
Who is the front man/woman/person etc for MAG-NZ, as in who will be fronting up to the media and so on?

http://www.mag-nz.org/about-mag-nz/founding-members/60-founding-members/6-mom
That would be me.

I have had a bit of experience.

http://tvnz.co.nz/politics-news/bikers-play-santa-politicians-3315351/video

[ynot slow]

Nice,thought holy heck this is good.....



Then spied the committee and what?Bloody dodgy bunch me thinks,and as for witnessing certain members signatures am unsure,seems I should've taken more notice of written words I was witnessing.



Nah seriously well done dudes and dudets,spent my dollars towards a great cause,hell only $20.00,spent more for coffees and cake this arvo.:yes:

[Mom]

Nice,thought holy heck this is good.....



Then spied the committee and what?Bloody dodgy bunch me thinks,and as for witnessing certain members signatures am unsure,seems I should've taken more notice of written words I was witnessing.



Nah seriously well done dudes and dudets,spent my dollars towards a great cause,hell only $20.00,spent more for coffees and cake this arvo.:yes:

Thanks for your support Tony, it is appreciated.

[Paul in NZ]

Well done folks. I have always believed that popular movements, if sufficiently consistent, persisent and visible are capable of achieving almost anything.

By way of support, I will do you this one favour and not join. I've never been much of a biker (a pretty sad fuck actually) and every biker thing I've ever supported has turned to shit often resulting in me getting hit too... (mind you I did learn to hit back pretty good ;-) )

Give em HELL! Dont back off and stay in their faces making annoyingly positive suggestions...

Is there a way of donating without joining?

[MSTRS]

... I note there is a section on wire rope barriers, which are perfectly safe, yet there is nothing on rider safety or skills preventing riders from making contact with said objects.


WRB safe? I suppose they are. If you don't strike one...or don't get taken out by the opposing vehicle that they didn't stop.
As for rider training etc....watch this space. Bronz have RRRS. Excellent course it is too. MAG-NZ has no intention of duplicating that. In time, there will no doubt be links on the website to approved rider training courses.
Rome wasn't built in a day, people. There is a heap of stuff yet to come, as MAG-NZ looks to the future of motorcycling in NZ.

[Maha]

Well done folks. I have always believed that popular movements, if sufficiently consistent, persisent and visible are capable of achieving almost anything.

By way of support, I will do you this one favour and not join. I've never been much of a biker (a pretty sad fuck actually) and every biker thing I've ever supported has turned to shit often resulting in me getting hit too... (mind you I did learn to hit back pretty good ;-) )

Give em HELL! Dont back off and stay in their faces making annoyingly positive suggestions...

Is there a way of donating without joining?

Click on the website link in my sig Paul and then to the right is the donate option.
Thank you for your support mate.

[MSTRS]

Quite frankly, if 240 members is the best that BRONZ can show for all it's years of existance I'd question whether they're likely to be much competition.

This about sums it up. Regardless of the good things they have done, it has become clear that their performance doesn't meet the needs of the tens of thousands of potential supporters.
MAG-NZ is looking to do just that.

[Big Dave]

WRB safe? I suppose they are. If you don't strike one...or don't get taken out by the opposing vehicle that they didn't stop.
As for rider training etc....watch this space. Bronz have RRRS. Excellent course it is too. MAG-NZ has no intention of duplicating that. In time, there will no doubt be links on the website to approved rider training courses.
Rome wasn't built in a day, people. There is a heap of stuff yet to come, as MAG-NZ looks to the future of motorcycling in NZ.

Why didn't you just do this as BRONZ and then change the name or something.

You've just duplicated everything - you're quite welcome to it - all power to you.

But now we have two versions of essentially the same thing and the value of what has gone before is diminished.

[MSTRS]

You've just duplicated everything - you're quite welcome to it - all power to you.



I support the pro-active drive behind this new entity. I might be wrong, probably am, but to me it seems that Bronz doesn't seem to have the same passion?

[fliplid]

So, what pubs you going to meet in? MAG in the UK used to meet in pubs :yes:

[Maha]

Nice,thought holy heck this is good.....



Then spied the committee and what?Bloody dodgy bunch me thinks,and as for witnessing certain members signatures am unsure,seems I should've taken more notice of written words I was witnessing.



Nah seriously well done dudes and dudets,spent my dollars towards a great cause,hell only $20.00,spent more for coffees and cake this arvo.:yes:

The committee was elected Tony, we had number (in mind) to fill all the spots and, I for one said the day before that I didn't want to be a committee member. There were a few that I thought should be there ahead of me, but fingers were pointed in my direction when a certain position needed filling. The ''Dont follow me im Lost'' position. :shifty:

[The Pastor]

mag sounds like nag

[Maha]

So, what pubs you going to meet in? MAG in the UK used to meet in pubs :yes:

We met last week at the Prospect in Howick and formed the basis of the MAG Committee over and all day breakfast and english tea..:innocent:

[Fatt Max]

So, what pubs you going to meet in? MAG in the UK used to meet in pubs :yes:

The world is our pub......like that idea, mind you I woulkd prefer a tour of North Island bakeries myself.....oh well.....

[Maha]

mag sounds like nag

It does, but it hell beats our other choice...Bikers Action Group....:yes:

[Big Dave]

I support the pro-active drive behind this new entity. I might be wrong, probably am, but to me it seems that Bronz doesn't seem to have the same passion?

I don't know for sure either. Les has kicked some goals. Finn has worked tirelessly for years. Peggy is Stoic. Stoney - Riffer - ya know - they have put in.

Like I say - I personally don't care what flag we're rallying around in the fight for better treatment for motorcyclists - BRONZ is and always has been open to suggestions - it wouldn't take a palace coup to make it become MAG.

My 'concern' is there is only enough of us for one flag to have any chance at decision making level. It's not a really multi-issue platform. The currency is membership numbers.

The Motorcycle Council that is being mooted will probably take precedence anyway.

[NONONO]

I think that's the real point here BD..
ESSENTIALLY not the same.
Essentially (at it's very core) MAG-NZ is about action.
Action on a personal, local and national level.
We will get there, and sincerely, we hope you can be part of that.

[Pixie]

If this can be a more workable or better option than BRONZ model I wish it well. I'm sure we all will.

At the moment what I see is it making the situation worse by further fragmenting the numbers represented.

The Ulysses club is the most quoted motorcycling advocate/spokesperson because they have the biggest membership.

We don't need 'another' action group - we need one strong one. I don't really care which one it is - but the answer isn't in duplication.
What do you mean "another action group"?
Where are the others?

[Big Dave]

What do you mean "another action group"?
Where are the others?

You reckon the BIKOI would have happened without Les, Lars and Stoney?

[The Pastor]

It does, but it hell beats our other choice...Bikers Action Group....:yes:

Hey, don't bag on that name!

[Pixie]

Whole heartedly agree with what Big Dave said.

Dependant on the approach it may be seen as 'just another group of munters'... I note there is a section on wire rope barriers, which are perfectly safe, yet there is nothing on rider safety or skills preventing riders from making contact with said objects.

As BD, said its about strength in unity. Ulysses appear to have at least some 'street cred', Which I must join eventually.

Good effort though and I wish you luck but it appears its just another group like BRONZ.

Tell the people in the crushed car that featured in "Road Police" two weeks ago that WRB's are perfectly safe.Seems they couldn't stop a truck crossing the motorway.....

[Katman]

Like I say - I personally don't care what flag we're rallying around in the fight for better treatment for motorcyclists - BRONZ is and always has been open to suggestions - it wouldn't take a palace coup to make it become MAG.


That's easily fixed.

BRONZ could accept the fact that they've had their chance to make a difference and Motorcycling could now be better served by BRONZ aligning themselves behind MAG-NZ.

[Bikemad]

interesting thread............im off now to read up on the MAG thing..........:scooter:

[rustic101]

Tell the people in the crushed car that featured in "Road Police" two weeks ago that WRB's are perfectly safe.Seems they couldn't stop a truck crossing the motorway.....

The system worked very well in that particular case. It could well have been worse!

The point I was and will continue to make is - Place emphases on prevention rather than cure. Every, yes every crash is avoidable, that includes car trucks buses and us.

Motorcyclists have their knickers in a knot over Wire Rope Barriers causing harm, rather than addressing the real issue, their speed, observation, risk taking and riding style etc.

[Katman]

You reckon the BIKOI would have happened without Les, Lars and Stoney?

Lars excluded, egos got in the way of the other two.

[NONONO]

The system worked very well in that particular case. It could well have been worse!

The point I was and will continue to make is - Place emphases on prevention rather than cure. Every, yes every crash is avoidable, that includes car trucks buses and us.

Motorcyclists have their knickers in a knot over Wire Rope Barriers causing harm, rather than addressing the real issue, their speed, observation, risk taking and riding style etc.
Sounds like you won't be joining us then, thanks for your interest in the thread anyway.....

[AD345]

Sounds like you won't be joining us then, thanks for your interest in the thread anyway.....


Not trying to stifle debate are ya?

[Bikemad]

righto.........had a read........everything seems in order............im sure caseye wouldnt be invoved in anything too dodgy.......ahem......happy to bring my $20 along on launch day.......

[NONONO]

Not trying to stifle debate are ya?

Stifle? Can't even spell it mate......Is that like strangle?

[Pixie]

The system worked very well in that particular case. It could well have been worse!


Very well except the truck crossed into opposing traffic and crushed a car before coming to rest against a tree-pffft

[rustic101]

Sounds like you won't be joining us then, thanks for your interest in the thread anyway.....

I sincerely wish the group well, it appears honourable. You're correct though I wont be joining MAG, if anything I'll join Ulysses and provide my support through them. Have been considering that move for a while.

It will be interesting to watch how far your team get though.

Best of luck

[rustic101]

Very well except the truck crossed into opposing traffic and crushed a car before coming to rest against a tree-pffft

So a question, what caused the crash?



Poor driving skills
Speed
Maintenance of the truck


Had the truck hit concrete barriers, it could well have climbed those; rolled over, or bounced its way down the motorway causing havoc, possible death.

My point - Look at the cause of the crash.

[Mom]

Not trying to stifle debate are ya?

Not at all, however this thread is about the launch of MAG-NZ and not the WRB's


Very well except the truck crossed into opposing traffic and crushed a car before coming to rest against a tree-pffft


So a question, what caused the crash?



Poor driving skills
Speed
Maintenance of the truck


Had the truck hit concrete barriers, it could well have climbed those; rolled over, or bounced its way down the motorway causing havoc, possible death.

My point - Look at the cause of the crash.

Can you please take this discussion into a thread relating to the Cheesecutters.

[St_Gabriel]

So do new member get stickers? or access to purchase stickers? Got 2 cars and a bike that seem rather naked without some cool stickers.... Just thinking that the more opportunity to get the name and logo out, the better. Maybe MAG logo for the bike and the same but with the url for the cages.

[Katman]

How about getting a shit load of flyers out to motorcycle businesses?

[AD345]

Not at all, however this thread is about the launch of MAG-NZ and not the WRB's


The thread is about what people want to talk about.

For me it's about seeing how this new group handles the cut & thrust of competing agenda's, skepticism, kiwi knocking, band-waggoning and all the other stuff that goes along with putting yourself in the public eye here in Godzone.

I'm interested to find out about the types of people you are and how you handle yourselves. Y'see I'm part of the great unwashed that hasn't joined your, or anyone else's, action/political group and I wanna see if there is a reason to change that.

[Mom]

I don't know for sure either. Les has kicked some goals. Finn has worked tirelessly for years. Peggy is Stoic. Stoney - Riffer - ya know - they have put in.

There is no member of my committee bagging the people that have worked so hard over many years. They are to be respected and applauded for their efforts. We would never bag the newcomers either, for they have worked equally as hard as a lot of us have in the past 10 months.

However, there is a place for a group that is not afraid to stand up and be counted. The Action group have a proven track record of organising sucessful protest rides. We are going to take this WRB issue back to the government. We are not going to stop lobbying against unfair treatment of bikers, we will stand up for the little guy. We will make it easy for our members to have a voice.

We also will not forget that bikers are social beasts and need to have fun from time to time. We will be organising "events" to give our members an opportunity to have a bit of fun.

We are new, there is more, much more in the pipeline.

[Mom]

I'm interested to find out about the types of people you are and how you handle yourselves. Y'see I'm part of the great unwashed that hasn't joined your, or anyone else's, action/political group and I wanna see if there is a reason to change that.

Come along to our launch on October 3rd and meet the lot of us and pick our brains on what we are all about.

[Mom]

So do new member get stickers? or access to purchase stickers? Got 2 cars and a bike that seem rather naked without some cool stickers.... Just thinking that the more opportunity to get the name and logo out, the better. Maybe MAG logo for the bike and the same but with the url for the cages.

You know, you are the 2nd person today to ask about stickers. We have badges on the way, and are looking into some patches as well. It looks like we might have to organise some stickers as well :yes:

[St_Gabriel]

and are looking into some patches as well.

But but but, if you do that we will never be allowed to visit W(h)anganui will we?????, I mean, didnt they ban patched members? (Does that also exclude John Wayne Bobbit?)

[Mom]

How about getting a shit load of flyers out to motorcycle businesses?

I emailed a heap of shops today, our flyer for our launch is a work in progress at this stage, hopefully completed this coming week. Flick one of us an email @mag-nz.org with your email addy and we will email you a copy when we have it ready. We can print and post you some too, just tell us where to send them. If you can help us build our contact database please feel free to add as many other emails etc as you can.

[NONONO]

Stickers? Stickers?...Oh the humanity, what bout the bleedin paint?
Bobbit, shmobbit, small man syndrome....dead I think, not enough blood to the brain.

[Conquiztador]

I know I should really care, but...:yawn:

[Squiggles]

BRONZ are still very much in evidence Bren. Read the website, MAG-NZ is definately NOT a politically motivated group.

I dont understand the action part not being political? Do you mean not aligned with National/Labour?

I'll prolly join next pay, belong to most groups (BRONZ, MNZ, SMC, not-ulysses-because-im-not-ancient-although-i-attended-one-of-their-meetings-once-:blink:)

Why do NZ bike related shops/clubs all gravitate towards black and yellow? :lol:

[caseye]

I dont understand the action part not being political? Do you mean not aligned with National/Labour?

I'll prolly join next pay, belong to most groups (BRONZ, MNZ, SMC, not-ulysses-because-im-not-ancient-although-i-attended-one-of-their-meetings-once-:blink:)

Why do NZ bike related shops/clubs all gravitate towards black and yellow? :lol:

Eggsactly that Squiggles "Not Aligned" with any Political Party.
Many thnaks for the support.
In this case MAG-UK's main emblem is Black and ikky brown we wanted to keep the association but have something recogniseably Kiwi, this did it for us.

[Maha]

Eggsactly that Squiggles "Not Aligned" with any Political Party.
Many thnaks for the support.
In this case MAG-UK's main emblem is Black and ikky brown we wanted to keep the association but have something recogniseably Kiwi, this did it for us.

And how about the Te Reo translation?...nice touch...:yes:

[NONONO]

Big P, small p..gives a crap...Action, that's whats important.
MAG-NZ, works for me.

[fossil]

There is no member of my committee bagging the people that have worked so hard over many years...


Bloody marvellous, another group to water down the strength of motorcyclist, I notice you call it "my committee" was that a Freudian slip?

I belong to a number of clubs and organisations, including the largest motorcycle club in NZ. They have no political agenda, they don't beat drums or make effigies of government Ministers, they have over 65 affiliated clubs all over NZ, they are "not for profit", have a professionally staffed office,a history spanning over 90 years and they are representing our road riding members (and all motorcyclist) on a number of government committees and with various government departments. They have been working very hard to get access at the highest levels, to be involved, to look after the interest of motorcyclist and to effect a positive change to the way that we are viewed and treated by those who make decisions. Some people think they they are only about competition,those people are ill informed.
I belong to Motorcycling New Zealand.

[Maha]

Bloody marvellous, another group to water down the strength of motorcyclist, I notice you call it "my committee" was that a Freudian slip?

I belong to a number of clubs and organisations, including the largest motorcycle club in NZ. They have no political agenda, they don't beat drums or make effigies of government Ministers, they have over 65 affiliated clubs all over NZ, they are "not for profit", have a professionally staffed office,a history spanning over 90 years and they are representing our road riding members (and all motorcyclist) on a number of government committees and with various government departments. They have been working very hard to get access at the highest levels, to be involved, to look after the interest of motorcyclist and to effect a positive change to the way that we are viewed and treated by those who make decisions. Some people think they they are only about competition,those people are ill informed.


Thats exactly us (MAG-NZ)..thank you for your comments.

[caseye]

Bloody marvellous, another group to water down the strength of motorcyclist, I notice you call it "my committee" was that a Freudian slip?

I belong to a number of clubs and organisations, including the largest motorcycle club in NZ. They have no political agenda, they don't beat drums or make effigies of government Ministers, they have over 65 affiliated clubs all over NZ, they are "not for profit", have a professionally staffed office,a history spanning over 90 years and they are representing our road riding members (and all motorcyclist) on a number of government committees and with various government departments. They have been working very hard to get access at the highest levels, to be involved, to look after the interest of motorcyclist and to effect a positive change to the way that we are viewed and treated by those who make decisions. Some people think they they are only about competition,those people are ill informed.
I belong to Motorcycling New Zealand.

no slip fossil the committee of MAG-NZ is Mom's as she is the president. Belonging to any organisation that is willing is a good thing your input here is valued.Perhaps all riders/motorists should join one or the other. Butt which one they cry?
Well we've had enough of sitting around waiting for some magic to happen we're about trying to make something happen, calmly and with level heads, hopefully with plenty of support from ordinary bikers/motorists.

[NONONO]

Bloody marvellous, another group to water down the strength of motorcyclist, I notice you call it "my committee" was that a Freudian slip?

I belong to a number of clubs and organisations, including the largest motorcycle club in NZ. They have no political agenda, they don't beat drums or make effigies of government Ministers, they have over 65 affiliated clubs all over NZ, they are "not for profit", have a professionally staffed office,a history spanning over 90 years and they are representing our road riding members (and all motorcyclist) on a number of government committees and with various government departments. They have been working very hard to get access at the highest levels, to be involved, to look after the interest of motorcyclist and to effect a positive change to the way that we are viewed and treated by those who make decisions. Some people think they they are only about competition,those people are ill informed.
I belong to Motorcycling New Zealand.

Good on yer mate, sounds like your doing a fine job. Keep it up, hope to be working with MNZ in the near future.

[Pixie]

So a question, what caused the crash?



Poor driving skills
Speed
Maintenance of the truck


Had the truck hit concrete barriers, it could well have climbed those; rolled over, or bounced its way down the motorway causing havoc, possible death.

My point - Look at the cause of the crash.
Driver suffered a heart attack

[Pixie]

Bloody marvellous, another group to water down the strength of motorcyclist, I notice you call it "my committee" was that a Freudian slip?

I belong to a number of clubs and organisations, including the largest motorcycle club in NZ. They have no political agenda, they don't beat drums or make effigies of government Ministers, they have over 65 affiliated clubs all over NZ, they are "not for profit", have a professionally staffed office,a history spanning over 90 years and they are representing our road riding members (and all motorcyclist) on a number of government committees and with various government departments. They have been working very hard to get access at the highest levels, to be involved, to look after the interest of motorcyclist and to effect a positive change to the way that we are viewed and treated by those who make decisions. Some people think they they are only about competition,those people are ill informed.
I belong to Motorcycling New Zealand.
I'm interested in joining.
What have they achieve recently?

[Big Dave]

I'm interested in joining.
What have they achieve recently?

They have achieved quite a lot really - you just seem too generally miserable to notice.
The minister consults Les (amongst others that represent larger numbers of riders).
It was Les who put the 'put money aside for safety measures' is his clam-like.
Plenty of other things too. He has worked quite tirelessly and is close to becoming a player.
BIKEOI etc.

My opinion is 'we' don't need a MAG and a BRONZ. There isn't enough interested people.

If one proves better than the other - well and good. If they serve to make each other weaker...time will tell huh.

Ulysses is sponsoring talks on a 'motorcycle council'. But purport it to be non-political. I suspect that will change in time too.

Good luck to all - said it all twice - I'm done - and will let the media make up their own minds.

[Mom]

We met last week at the Prospect in Howick and formed the basis of the MAG Committee over and all day breakfast and english tea..:innocent:

That was a great venue too, I think a toss up between there and the Kaukapakapa Hotel. It will be great when Riverhead Hotel re-opens. Weekend meetings on the deck out the back sound pretty nice to me.

[scracha]

I belong to Motorcycling New Zealand.
So do I but I haven't heard fuck all about their position on ACC levies, never mind what action they've taken.

As for being "ill informed". Go to the MNZ website and you could be forgiven for thinking the organisation was all about competition.

Go MAG I say. Although I too think they should advocate better training and would be better off not mentioning the 2007 wire rope barrier incident.

[Maha]

They have achieved quite a lot really - you just seem too generally miserable to notice.

The minister consults Les amongst others that represent larger numbers of riders.

It was Les who put the 'put money aside for safety measures' is his clam-like.

Plenty of other things too.

I think Dave, that Pixie was referring to MNZ, scracha also knew who fossil was talking about.
Just to clear something up Dave, its not an ''Us V them'' thing. I very clearly stated that (to the founding members) right from the outset, so can we put it to bed please.


So do I but I haven't heard fuck all about their position on ACC levies, never mind what action they've taken.

As for being "ill informed". Go to the MNZ website and you could be forgiven for thinking the organisation was all about competition.

Go MAG I say. Although I too think they should advocate better training and would be better off not mentioning the 2007 wire rope barrier incident.

[kevie]

Interesting thread debate...... and as we know debate is healthy (except when the other guy is bigger and hits harder than you)
Also as we know competition is healthy and not necessarily a negative thing.
I think we need to keep an open mind on the BRONZ vs MAG issues, after all I think if the leadership of both are open and co-operative then they could be very effective together on the causes they represent. This will minimise the effect of a 'split support' but could potentially bring on board, overall, a larger number of supporters that may not of otherwise fronted up with their time, dollars and voice. After all ... there were thousands of motorcyclists at the BIKEOI suporting the 'cause' but how many signed up for BRONZ? I never...thought about it but never....... so maybe this will bring in some more members and hopefully, will not (as some fear) take anything away from BRONZ.
I think the first year will tell which one we should fund (or both) and show us the effectiveness of both BRONZ and MAG.

Congradulations guys on the commitment to get this up and running, wish yous well and hope we see a lot of combined groups activities.
Will post on our club (Feilding riders club) site re MAG-NZ too.

Off now to sign up ...... poor benificiary with a broken bike but you will ... this term, have my $20.

[Mom]

Go MAG I say. Although I too think they should advocate better training and would be better off not mentioning the 2007 wire rope barrier incident.

We are currently writing policy on training. MAG believes in, and supports advanced rider training. We will be lobbying hard to get better access to advanced training for bikers around NZ. This ACTION - taking advanced rider training, falls under our umbrella of "Personal Action" and forms part of the MAG policy.

As far as the WRB issue is concerned, we believe that we have a moral obligation to continue to have these barriers made safer for bikers. The petition has over 7,000 signatures on it now, we owe it to those that have signed to make sure their message is delivered to Parliament.

[NONONO]

Interesting thread debate...... and as we know debate is healthy (except when the other guy is bigger and hits harder than you)
Also as we know competition is healthy and not necessarily a negative thing.
I think we need to keep an open mind on the BRONZ vs MAG issues, after all I think if the leadership of both are open and co-operative then they could be very effective together on the causes they represent. This will minimise the effect of a 'split support' but could potentially bring on board, overall, a larger number of supporters that may not of otherwise fronted up with their time, dollars and voice. After all ... there were thousands of motorcyclists at the BIKEOI suporting the 'cause' but how many signed up for BRONZ? I never...thought about it but never....... so maybe this will bring in some more members and hopefully, will not (as some fear) take anything away from BRONZ.
I think the first year will tell which one we should fund (or both) and show us the effectiveness of both BRONZ and MAG.

Congradulations guys on the commitment to get this up and running, wish yous well and hope we see a lot of combined groups activities.
Will post on our club (Feilding riders club) site re MAG-NZ too.

Off now to sign up ...... poor benificiary with a broken bike but you will ... this term, have my $20.

Nice to have you on board mate.
We are not competing with anyone for members or memberships...There have been, and continue to be, a number of motorcycle organizations around, and no one has been kicking up a fuss about them "splitting" the biker voice.
Working together? Yes..As keeps being pointed out here, MAG-NZ is about action, that means an active membership. Actively working, with whoever, whenever and doing whatever is needed.
Hope to meet you soon
MAG-NZ, join up, get active.

[willytheekid]

"An invitation is extended to all bikers to be part of history in the making with the launch of MAG-NZ.
We are kicking off our launch with a ride that those of you who have attended our events before will recognise. Four “Points of the Compass” rides will leave their starting points in Auckland at 10:30am and make their way to Drury Performance Tyres on Great South Road in Drury. There will be some entertainment to celebrate the arrival of MAG-NZ on the biker scene."

YAWN...another AUCKLAND bike group...great "national" launch (as usual!)
Best of luck MAG-Auckland...oops, I mean MAG-NZ.

Sorry, but Ive heard all these "promise's and Rants" before..... from many, many "groups"
This appears to be another group based in Auckland, trying to take other peoples "champagnes" (ACC, report a road, Wire barriers etc) and stake a claim to them and all the hard work NZ bikers have already put in.
Best of luck, I truly hope you are genuine and can make a difference, but count me & my wallet out!.

LONG LIVE KIWIBIKER.CO.NZ!!! :ride:......the site that truly unites & informs KiwiBikers

[Mom]

YAWN...another AUCKLAND bike group...great "national" launch (as usual!)
Best of luck MAG-Auckland...oops, I mean MAG-NZ.

Don't be too hasty forming those opinions, we have members in the South Island, and will be making moves to establish a real presence down there very soon. The finishing touches are just being put on a weekend event in Taupo in November.

Still I can appreciate where you are coming from, I look forward to proving to you that we are infact exactly what we say we are.

Thank you for your comments.

[yungatart]

YAWN...another AUCKLAND bike group...great "national" launch (as usual!)
Best of luck MAG-Auckland...oops, I mean MAG-NZ.



Not so.
I am a founding member of MAG-NZ. I live in Hawkes Bay. There are other founding members from outside of Auckland also.
What you have seen (so far) is a website launch...the best is yet to come!
We have to start somewhere, since most of our founding members live up that way it seemed a good place to start
I have no doubt that before long MAG-NZ will have members from all over NZ.

[willytheekid]

Don't be too hasty forming those opinions, we have members in the South Island, and will be making moves to establish a real presence down there very soon. The finishing touches are just being put on a weekend event in Taupo in November.

Still I can appreciate where you are coming from, I look forward to proving to you that we are infact exactly what we say we are.

Thank you for your comments.


Not so.
I am a founding member of MAG-NZ. I live in Hawkes Bay. There are other founding members from outside of Auckland also.
What you have seen (so far) is a website launch...the best is yet to come!
We have to start somewhere, since most of our founding members live up that way it seemed a good place to start
I have no doubt that before long MAG-NZ will have members from all over NZ.

And as I said- "Best of luck, I truly hope you are genuine and can make a difference" any help to the bike community is great!
But as I also stated, Ive joined MANY groups that make a lot of promises...as a result Ive learnt to stand on my own two wheels (feet) and take personal action when action is needed,But for now... KIWIBIKER.CO.NZ is the only "group" for me....real riders, real input, and great advice & support when I need it.
But I truly do wish MAG-NZ all the best (had a good look at the site) its always good to see new Biker focused Groups forming, we have a great "can do" biker community in NZ...but Im just not that fast to jump up & down with excitement till I see "Have Done!" from groups.
Congrats on the Site launch (looks great) and all my best wishes for the future.

[Katman]

But for now... KIWIBIKER.CO.NZ is the only "group" for me....real riders, real input, and great advice & support when I need it.


Now we know you're just taking the piss. :wacko:

[willytheekid]

Now we know you're just taking the piss. :wacko:

LOL....the Katman strikes again! :laugh:

[Mom]

Now we know you're just taking the piss. :wacko:

We are getting a tremendous amount of support for MAG-NZ, and I guess we do have something to prove in a way. The next few days should see the launch of our first MAG-NZ "local to you" Chapter in Christchurch.

Be sure to keep the weekend of November 5th & 6th free, we are heading your way for an event :D

[Gremlin]

Ignore the doubters, just keep working at what you're doing.

Big thanks for all your continued hard work :yes:

[AllanB]

I should be happy about this and be reaching for my credit card to pay up. But to be honest I cringe every time I read about 'bikers' rights - now it is probably just my hang-up but I'll join in if you pass a resolution to never use the term 'biker' in anything that relates to a public statement or a issue that you expect public support from.

That phrase for anyone over 40 who does not ride, describes a bunch of rough louts out to cause mayhem. And lets face it 90% of the population don't give a flying fuck about us or our perceived rights.

Unless you are setting up presentable, well spoken individuals to be spokes-persons in the public arena you'll never get any support from Joe-public. Because that's the same Joe-public we fucked off yesterday when we passed them at speed :whistle:and they shook their heads and said 'there goes a temporary New Zealander kids'.

And how come every time I meet someone new who finds out I ride a motorcycle automatically asks if it is a Harley? We should do something about that!

But I rant. I never joined BRONZ either as I watched and watched and saw nothing much happening - maybe this is what is needed - a fresh start, RIP BRONZ you had your chance time for the new kids on the block.

Fuck-it, maybe I'll pay up and see how you do - after all it is only 38c a week for the year, which is cheaper than any other aspect of my passion for motorcycling that I can think of :done: But I expect more than a bloody badge from you.

[Big Dave]

Just to clear something up Dave, its not an ''Us V them'' thing. I very clearly stated that (to the founding members) right from the outset, so can we put it to bed please.


a fresh start, RIP BRONZ you had your chance time for the new kids on the block.


Probably not.

[Squiggles]

Eggsactly that Squiggles "Not Aligned" with any Political Party.
Many thnaks for the support.
In this case MAG-UK's main emblem is Black and ikky brown we wanted to keep the association but have something recogniseably Kiwi, this did it for us.

Cool.


I have a bit of a niggle though finding myself involuntarily associated with MAG-NZ. The events listed so far are all from the past, none bear the name MAG nor did at the time of attendance. Having attended (and in the case of the compass ride myself and phurball collected the $$ / held the speaker) its a situation im somewhat uncomfortable with right now.

The position statement is vague and waffly to me.


As the name suggests MAG-NZ is about Action.
As an organisation we are committed to upholding bikers freedoms, and resisting imposed restrictions and laws which impede those freedoms.

We will do so actively, we will not passively accept the eroding of our legal right to ride. MAG-NZ believes that bikers themselves understand, and are responsible for, the actions that are required to ensure their freedoms. We will not wait for others to do our job for us.

MAG-NZ believes there are 3 levels of action required;

* Personal;
* Local;
* National.


As an organisation MAG-NZ is committed to all three.

How i ask, Protest? Submissions? What issues are currently being reviewed?
What will the driving force behind MAG-NZ be?

To me its currently a bit like our mayoral race, I mean "Safer communities", how does Banks plan to do that?

Intentions are good but its how they are met that i want to know before I'm comfortable being associated with any organisation.

[Hawk]

Don't be too hasty forming those opinions, we have members in the South Island, and will be making moves to establish a real presence down there very soon. The finishing touches are just being put on a weekend event in Taupo in November.

Still I can appreciate where you are coming from, I look forward to proving to you that we are infact exactly what we say we are.

Thank you for your comments.

Main landers are here, boots, bikes and Speight’s

[NONONO]

Main landers are here, boots, bikes and Speight’s

Bloody Marvelous, Good on yer mate.

[Mom]

I have a bit of a niggle though finding myself involuntarily associated with MAG-NZ. The events listed so far are all from the past, none bear the name MAG nor did at the time of attendance. Having attended (and in the case of the compass ride myself and phurball collected the $$ / held the speaker) its a situation im somewhat uncomfortable with right now.

I am sorry you feel that way Steven, the events that are on the MAG-NZ website were all organised by AAG (Auckland Action Group) in fact if you read on there it clearly states we had a different name when we first started out. Is there something in particular on the website that you are not happy with, have we named you or posted a pic of you? If so, please let one of us know and we will take down the offending item immediately. We have not set out to upset anyone.

[Mom]

Main landers are here, boots, bikes and Speight’s

Welcome aboard. To coin a phrase - enjoy the ride :D

[fliplid]

Just a thought- I have to confess to having them occasionally :blink: Are folk more ready to join up "online" rather than do the download, print, fill out, get payment and then post off and wait route? I know personally I prefer to do it "online" :innocent: cos it's easier (er, like the KR subs), and can't really be fagged (no reference to Hondas!) with all the download, print and post route.
I know that I would have difficulty in getting me sen down to the BRONZ meetings (being mid week, and earlyish in the evenings) and that's to do with work finish times and working here, there and everywhere! That's why I aint been there before, or joined to date. Possibly BRONZ need to update the joining process a bit, and that might improve their membership. As it is- and I'm definitely not knocking all their work done to date, and what will be done in the future- from following some of the past threads on subjects supported by BRONZ- some folk who post on here seem to perceive them as what might be termed "old beardys". As I have mentioned, I have never been to one of their meetings, and have only seen Les on the telly- who was doing a sterling job with the interview!
I'll get me coat! :scooter:

[caseye]

For Squiggles.
At the time you were riding with the Auckland Action Group, you know how well those rdies went off and that thanks to Anne and her press contacts, we got good coverage.
It is the AAG that has now evolved into MAG-NZ.
We began as a one issue protest movement but have steadily become more and more agitated at the lack of "action" from any other quarter, so we've started MAG-NZ.
This is the initial phase, October 3rd is our first official MAG-NZ Ride, it's main purpose is to reacquaint ourselves with those who have supported our rides and actions in the past and of course to gather as many like minded individuals as we can together to once again get amongst it.
No $'s have gone to anyone person, instead to the nominated charities, MAG-NZ is forwarding the necessary documentation to become a not For Profit incorporated Society so there can be no impropririty .
Issues that we will be following up on are listed on the web site, if there are otheres you'd like to see there.
Can i suggest you add them to the site, it is after all there for everyone to have thier say and put forward ideas and suggestions.
No amount of effort unseen and behind closed doors is going to impress anyone or alay their fears as to what is and is not being done.
All I/we can tell you is that we're after as many members as we can physically muster, who want to actually ride and show thier support for our cause and their peace of mind.
To that end please forward us your 20 bucks and get on our web site and start pushing somehting. we are.

[cs363]

I should be happy about this and be reaching for my credit card to pay up. But to be honest I cringe every time I read about 'bikers' rights - now it is probably just my hang-up but I'll join in if you pass a resolution to never use the term 'biker' in anything that relates to a public statement or a issue that you expect public support from.

That phrase for anyone over 40 who does not ride, describes a bunch of rough louts out to cause mayhem. And lets face it 90% of the population don't give a flying fuck about us or our perceived rights.

Unless you are setting up presentable, well spoken individuals to be spokes-persons in the public arena you'll never get any support from Joe-public. Because that's the same Joe-public we fucked off yesterday when we passed them at speed :whistle:and they shook their heads and said 'there goes a temporary New Zealander kids'.

And how come every time I meet someone new who finds out I ride a motorcycle automatically asks if it is a Harley? We should do something about that!

But I rant. I never joined BRONZ either as I watched and watched and saw nothing much happening - maybe this is what is needed - a fresh start, RIP BRONZ you had your chance time for the new kids on the block.

Fuck-it, maybe I'll pay up and see how you do - after all it is only 38c a week for the year, which is cheaper than any other aspect of my passion for motorcycling that I can think of :done: But I expect more than a bloody badge from you.

+1 The terms 'biker' and 'cager' are two that if removed from our collective vocabulary would do much to improve our public image IMO.

[Smifffy]

It all sounds good. I like the
MAG-NZ believes there are 3 levels of action required;

* Personal;
* Local;
* National.


So other than stumping up $20, what do recommend as a personal action in the next month or two, for those of us interested?

I'm keen to know what actions are being advocated at all levels, rather than a vague "we need to do something"

Good luck with it, I can't wait to see some action.

[MSTRS]

LONG LIVE KIWIBIKER.CO.NZ!!! :ride:......the site that truly unites & informs KiwiBikers
KB is very important to a lot of people. But it is NOT a club, or lobby group, or national body that speaks for the collective or anything really - other than a website where people with an interest in bikes can yak to each other, organise get-togethers, and such like.

So do I but I haven't heard fuck all about their position on ACC levies, never mind what action they've taken.

As for being "ill informed". Go to the MNZ website and you could be forgiven for thinking the organisation was all about competition.

I wasn't going to do the us'n'them thing, but since you mention MNZ in those terms, I must agree...MNZ - who? The people that dictate to clubs who can stage race meetings? And who have a rep at every meeting to change the rules in their own handbook, if that's what suits on the day.


Go MAG I say. Although I too think they should advocate better training and would be better off not mentioning the 2007 wire rope barrier incident.
And why not? Freak it may have been. But as WRB's form more and more of NZ's barrier system, this kind of outcome for motorcyclists will become 'common'. We don't want that to happen. Try as we, or anyone else, may, motorcyclists are going to fall off their bikes for any number of reasons. Where they fall off in relation to roadside hazards or safety systems will be instrumental in how serious their injuries are.
NZTA continue to remove trees (for instance) that are close to road edges, because they kill the occupants of cars that hit them. Motorcyclists should be afforded the same consideration as regards the things that hurt us.
N'est pas?
The training thing will become a reality in short order. But I don't see it being run by MAG-NZ. I see currently operating concerns being promoted on the website, with information on what to expect and where to find it. Etc...

[Mom]

+1 The terms 'biker' and 'cager' are two that if removed from our collective vocabulary would do much to imrpove our public image IMO.

It is funny how different people have different ideas about that. I am 50 years of age and I call myself a biker - always have done, but I detest the term cage or cager.

MAG-NZ will most likely use both the term Motorcyclist and the term biker to describe who we are, our members use different terms to refer to themselves too.

[NONONO]

It all sounds good. I like the

So other than stumping up $20, what do recommend as a personal action in the next month or two, for those of us interested?

I'm keen to know what actions are being advocated at all levels, rather than a vague "we need to do something"

Good luck with it, I can't wait to see some action.
Well me old cock sparrow, judging from your avatar (which you just changed lol) and sig it would seem that you would be well acquainted with action, both personal, local and national. Apply similar principles..
In a nutshell, don't "wait to SEE some action", rather, take some action.

[Mom]

It all sounds good. I like the

So other than stumping up $20, what do recommend as a personal action in the next month or two, for those of us interested?

I'm keen to know what actions are being advocated at all levels, rather than a vague "we need to do something"

Good luck with it, I can't wait to see some action.

Personally you could make sure your bike is well maintained and is up to WOF standard. You could take a bit of time next time you go out for a ride to test out your emergency braking technique deliberately, NOT because you have to. You could spend time concentrating on developing a strong "spidey"sense, and ride your bike with a wise head.

Peronally you could make sure you have signed the WRB petition (if you support it of course), and be observant about road hazards you encounter on your rides. If you do find something that poses a hazard, get onto your local council - there is a list of them on a link on the MAG-NZ website for convienience. Get on www.mag-nz.org and let us know what hazards you have encountered if they are not remedied quickly.

I could go on, but you get the idea.

[Smifffy]

Well me old cock sparrow, judging from your avatar and sig it would seem that you would be well acquainted with action, both personal, local and national. Apply similar principles..
In a nutshell, don't "wait to SEE some action", rather, take some action.

Oh I'm quite happy to take action, I was just inquiring as to whether there was a recommended course of action, in order to present a consistent, common message.

Some people might think that "action" is popping wheelies in front of the media on a protest ride, or doing a burn out on the front steps of an electorate office.

To continue your analysis of my own actions, I identified something simple that I could do in response to an issue that concerns me, and then advocated that action to others in as simple terms as possible.

In my limited experience, when someone goes to a website regarding social issues they are looking for, amongst other things, the answer to a simple question: "What can I do?"

I'm just asking for 1 example, and if it lies within my abilities I'll implement it from tomorrow.

Without such an example, I'd have to think this is still more about words than actions.

[Squiggles]

I am sorry you feel that way Steven, the events that are on the MAG-NZ website were all organised by AAG (Auckland Action Group) in fact if you read on there it clearly states we had a different name when we first started out. Is there something in particular on the website that you are not happy with, have we named you or posted a pic of you? If so, please let one of us know and we will take down the offending item immediately. We have not set out to upset anyone.

Nothing on the website, its only in the media and its more of a concern on what the future might hold for MAG-NZ (Thus the questions on how?)

[Katman]

So other than stumping up $20, what do recommend as a personal action in the next month or two, for those of us interested?


I think one of the greatest things we could do on a personal level is, if you believe in the concept of riding in a responsible manner, be vocal about it.

All too often motorcyclists turn a blind eye to displays of stupidity on bikes because they think it's not cool to say anything.

The more vocal we become about responsible riding, the more seriously we're likely to be taken when we have a grievance to air.

[NONONO]

All good..
Have you written to your local MP re the continued existence of cheese cutters?. Asked him his/her stance on ACC levies?
These may not be issues for you personally but they would be personal lvl actions.

[zeocen]

I signed up last night but can't seem to login?

[Berries]

Perhaps committee members could have a specific KB avatar. It is a bit hard telling who is who with all new yellow squares appearing. I know from the website that Mom and Fatt Max are on the committee, no idea who the others are so it is all starting to get a bit confusing.

[oldrider]

If this can be a more workable or better option than BRONZ model I wish it well. I'm sure we all will.

At the moment what I see is it making the situation worse by further fragmenting the numbers represented.

The Ulysses club is the most quoted motorcycling advocate/spokesperson because they have the biggest membership.

We don't need 'another' action group - we need one strong one. I don't really care which one it is - but the answer isn't in duplication.

Who ever pledges to drive "Nick Smith" out of office and parliament all together will get my support!

Destroy "Nick Smith" (personally) the way he has dealt a death blow to some of us motorcyclists and caused unwarranted financial pressure on the rest!

Get rid of Nick Smith!

Get rid of Nick Smith!

Get rid of Nick Smith!

Get rid of Nick Smith!

Get rid of Nick Smith!

Who?

That arse wipe, Nick Smith!

Get rid of the bastard!

Run Nick Smith out of town! :yes:

[Smifffy]

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/mag-nz_cheesecutters/

Please sign

I posted the same to facebook for my 500 followers lol

For all the good it will do, when was the last time the voice of the people meant anything in this country?

Ride responsibly & keep the WOF up to scratch. Got it.

Thanks for the advice

[NONONO]

Oh, you were looking for advice? Sorry, that's the other shop...
You have followers?:innocent:
All good...


Nice rant there John....

[Maha]

Perhaps committee members could have a specific KB avatar. It is a bit hard telling who is who with all new yellow squares appearing. I know from the website that Mom and Fatt Max are on the committee, no idea who the others are so it is all starting to get a bit confusing.

Thats why I chose a different avatar, my name is Mark James and I am MAG's Ride and Events coordinator, Anne (Mom) is my wife and Fatt Max is just a bouncy castle.

[Smifffy]

Oh, you were looking for advice? Sorry, that's the other shop...
You have followers?:innocent:
All good...


Nice rant there John....

Yeah, I was, and I think so will many more of your potential members.

By "the other shop" do you mean BRONZ, or MNZ?

I thought y'all were serious about this.

Riding responsibly & keeping the wof up to date, were both pieces of advice, that were to be frank somewhat patronising, if I weren't interested in those things why would I even consider agitating for improved road safety for motorcyclists?

As I said before, if there was some meaningful action that was recommended, I'd start tomorrow, or even now in the case of the petition, which I have signed and since posted online here & facebook for more signatures, which is more than you have done with it.

Now I will wait to see if there's any meaningful action from this group before investing further.

[fliplid]

Fatt Max is just a bouncy castle.
You forgot to list his other accomplishments, such as dedicated musician, ardent devourer of pies...:innocent:

[Maha]

You forgot to list his other accomplishments, such as dedicated musician, ardent devourer of pies...:innocent:

I feel he an berries would get on just fine.....:shifty:

[Fatt Max]

Thats why I chose a different avatar, my name is Mark James and I am MAG's Ride and Events coordinator, Anne (Mom) is my wife and Fatt Max is just a bouncy castle.

Just, Just, JUST.......s'pose you are right there mate.

[Fatt Max]

You forgot to list his other accomplishments, such as dedicated musician, ardent devourer of pies...:innocent:

.....and president of the Oceania Leather Thong Owners Association

[Berries]

Thats why I chose a different avatar, my name is Mark James and I am MAG's Ride and Events coordinator, Anne (Mom) is my wife and Fatt Max is just a bouncy castle.
Don't know why but with your username I always assumed you were female. My apologies and thanks for putting me straight. Funnily enough, I saw a bouncy castle outside Mitre 10 today. If Fatt Max is that colour then he is in serious trouble.

[Smifffy]

Holy crap, the comments section on my facebook page has gone nuts over the posting of the petition, with one person actually advocating WRB's and an interesting backlash. Only 1 additional sign-up so far though.

It's even gone international!!!! woop woop!

hmmm where is DB these days? :blink:

[Maha]

Don't know why but with your username I always assumed you were female. My apologies and thanks for putting me straight. Funnily enough, I saw a bouncy castle outside Mitre 10 today. If Fatt Max is that colour then he is in serious trouble.

Nothing wrong with a man in a dress is there?
But I draw the line at lippy.

[Katman]

But I draw the line at lippy.

So you're open to the idea of a full body wax?

[NighthawkNZ]

That phrase for anyone over 40 who does not ride, describes a bunch of rough louts out to cause mayhem. And lets face it 90% of the population don't give a flying fuck about us or our perceived rights..

Common mistake... you mean Bikie vs Biker... ;) but difference.

What BRONZ needs to do is re-affiliate with all the different local branches or BRONZ as I have said on another site... BRONZ lost its way years ago...

Heck BRONZ Otago call themself "a club"... they aren't a club. They are suppose to be part of National Organisation for Bikers Rights...

I have nothing against BRONZ starting a social side or club as part of BRONZ as mentioned us bikers a social creatures after all... But their main goal and course, should be what they were orginally set up to do. VCR run by BRONZ Otago... a great rally... donations made to charities every year... but the profits should now be going to fight ACC... how much easier would it be to take things to court when they have money behind them... I mean its not that hard... but the last BRONZ Otago president didn't want any thing to do with it and wanted to stay a social club (which they aren't suppose to be in the first place) and stay away of the political stuff that BRONZ was setup to fight for...

Think about it how much money is raised by bikers in general through out the country... ??? all goes to charity... how about we start raising some money for your ourself to be used as to fight for changes... heck wouldn't suprise me if there was enough to start a insurance scheme... ???

If BRONZ goes back to its roots affilates the different branches back to a National group and aligns itself with any and all groups and clubs including MAG-NZ, bikers in NZ would have a better chance of getting any changes...

Heck I was thinking last year of trying to start a Motorcycle version of AA... MANZ with the benifits that AA offered. AA is a huge thorn in our side as motorcyclists...

[scracha]

We are currently writing policy on training. MAG believes in, and supports advanced rider training. We will be lobbying hard to get better access to advanced training for bikers around NZ. This ACTION - taking advanced rider training, falls under our umbrella of "Personal Action" and forms part of the MAG policy.

Good. Positive action to get our house in order and stop us falling off bikes. Katman will be excited !! Seriously though, I hope MAG doesn't come across as a bunch of rowdy bikers shouting at government minsters and bandying about seriously flawed statistics. I hope MAG does come across as an intelligent lobbying force with reasonable requests.



As far as the WRB issue is concerned, we believe that we have a moral obligation to continue to have these barriers made safer for bikers. The petition has over 7,000 signatures on it now, we owe it to those that have signed to make sure their message is delivered to Parliament.
I can't understand why "bikers" aren't more concerned with the other shit (literally), gravel, tar bleed, overbanding and diesel on the roads. More riders lose their bikes/lives/limbs through this than WRB's. Anyhoo, I digress. I'm not fussed either way if MAG finds WRB's an issue, my original point was that the choice of the unfortunate who died in 2007 as a driver for the cause isn't too clever.

[Mom]

I signed up last night but can't seem to login?

Log in to what? Oh, do you mean the Rep Log on on www.mag-nz.org ? That function is only available to our regional representatives.




Riding responsibly & keeping the wof up to date, were both pieces of advice, that were to be frank somewhat patronising, if I weren't interested in those things why would I even consider agitating for improved road safety for motorcyclists?

I apologise if you felt patronised by my post. That was not my intention. Thank you for your comments.

[Mom]

Good. Positive action to get our house in order and stop us falling off bikes. Katman will be excited !! Seriously though, I hope MAG doesn't come across as a bunch of rowdy bikers shouting at government minsters and bandying about seriously flawed statistics. I hope MAG does come across as an intelligent lobbying force with reasonable requests.


I can't understand why "bikers" aren't more concerned with the other shit (literally), gravel, tar bleed, overbanding and diesel on the roads. More riders lose their bikes/lives/limbs through this than WRB's. Anyhoo, I digress. I'm not fussed either way if MAG finds WRB's an issue, my original point was that the choice of the unfortunate who died in 2007 as a driver for the cause isn't too clever.

Well, I can not guarantee there wont be noise at any event that invloves a protest action. I can however reassure you that we are not a bunch of yobs, never have been. We never set out to deliberately cause distruption or inconvience to others, that is not our intention. However, we do acknowledge that as a result of action we might take that this may be a potential outcome. Action comes in many forms, and constructive and informed lobbying in the right places is all part of the plan.

Rest assured MAG-NZ are VERY concerned at the state of our roads, and the seemingly total disregard that is held for our safety by the people that construct them and maintain them. Cow shit on the road is a particular pet subject of mine, I have written countless letters over the years. It is one of our main campaign focusses.

Your advice regarding the catalyst for the WRB campaign will be taken on board and discussed.

[Smifffy]

I apologise if you felt patronised by my post. That was not my intention. Thank you for your comments.


No need for an apology. Action means action, and it wasn't meant to be a dig at you. I am not trying to be critical here, I am simply asking questions in order to evaluate whether or not this is the organisation I want to join.

As far as I can make out there are 19 people that have signed your online petition - 2 of them are me and one is my wife. I would have thought there would be more people interested.

I don't usually sign petitions twice, but I bailed out at the paypal screen and then when I checked the list of signatures I wasn't there, so clicked again, then I was there twice.

Then again, everybody should be entitle to sign once for each rego fee they pay....

[caseye]

Perhaps committee members could have a specific KB avatar. It is a bit hard telling who is who with all new yellow squares appearing. I know from the website that Mom and Fatt Max are on the committee, no idea who the others are so it is all starting to get a bit confusing.
The yellow squares denote a MAG-NZ member who is a KB member.
All founding members as listed on the MAG-NZ website are currently also comittee members.
Hope this clears up those two things for you.
Your point about MAG-NZ comittee members having a specific ie: different avatr to ordinary members is a good one, mind if I put it forward for you?

[Bodir]

Just putting up my 2 cents worth of comments :)

I am proud to work with the founding members of MAG-NZ. These folks have done a great amount of work when we were "just" the AAG and now they stepped up to what was required to continue the fight for my (or our) freedom of choice.

I moved to NZ as a lifestyle choice and this includes hassle free and safe motorcycling :)

I am willing to do my part.

[MSTRS]

I'm not fussed either way if MAG finds WRB's an issue, my original point was that the choice of the unfortunate who died in 2007 as a driver for the cause isn't too clever.

Not everyone is 'frightened' of WRB's. Fair enough. There are many roading issues. Bound to be one that floats your boat. If so, join, and maybe you can be the driver of 'noises' if others find your particular bugbear worthy?
The thing about WRB's is that they are a creeping menace. The more there is out there, the more chances of horrific injuries and death. Which is what the UK and European MAGs found. They have been very successful in getting this form of barrier replaced or made safer with a sleeve. We can too.

[Smifffy]

The yellow squares denote a MAG-NZ member who is a KB member.
All founding members as listed on the MAG-NZ website are currently also comittee members.
Hope this clears up those two things for you.
Your point about MAG-NZ comittee members having a specific ie: different avatr to ordinary members is a good one, mind if I put it forward for you?

I think the point was not so much differentiating between committee and regular members, but being able to identify individual members, since many ppl look at the avatar rather than the user name first.

A bit like the confusion that used to arise between GOONR & Mashman, and Squiggles & Renegade Master.

[Mom]

No need for an apology. Action means action, and it wasn't meant to be a dig at you. I am not trying to be critical here, I am simply asking questions in order to evaluate whether or not this is the organisation I want to join.

As far as I can make out there are 19 people that have signed your online petition - 2 of them are me and one is my wife. I would have thought there would be more people interested.

I don't usually sign petitions twice, but I bailed out at the paypal screen and then when I checked the list of signatures I wasn't there, so clicked again, then I was there twice.

Then again, everybody should be entitle to sign once for each rego fee they pay....

I will give you some background about the WRB campaign, the petition was started up in 2007 after a young motorcyclist was killed after coming into contact with the WRB on the Auckaldn motorway. Now it was in 2 forms, paper and electronic. The electronic petition was accessed via a website www.cheesecutter.co.nz and had in excess of 3000 signatures the last count check I did. Unfortunately that website is no longer working and the url now points to us. The bloke that maintained the website is in Australia. I have contacted him to see if we can get the original e-petition back, I have not received a reply yet. That will happen, but in the mean time we set up a second one so we dont miss any potential support.

The e-petition makes light work of picking up double signatories, I have the hard copy one entered into a spreadsheet here that I can weed out any double ups off. Hopefully that helps a bit :D

[NighthawkNZ]

Get rid of the bastard!

Run Nick Smith out of town! :yes:

both he and John Key are just puppets... I keep saying you want change cut the strings and find the puppeteers

[Katman]

At the risk of being labelled a Katman, can I ask what MAG-NZ's stance is on the idea of motorcyclists cleaning up their own back yard as an initiative towards creating a stronger base for having our grievances heard?

[willytheekid]

KB is very important to a lot of people. But it is NOT a club, or lobby group, or national body that speaks for the collective or anything really - other than a website where people with an interest in bikes can yak to each other, organise get-togethers, and such like.


Never ONCE did I say it was a CLUB or lobby group or national body?....I am fully aware of what it does and how it works..............Its just a lot more useful to the everyday biker than the groups you have listed ! :laugh:

[Mom]

At the risk of being labelled a Katman, can I ask what MAG-NZ's stance is on the idea of motorcyclists cleaning up their own back yard as an initiative towards creating a stronger base for having our grievances heard?

You will never be anything else but a Katman :sunny:

We advocate action on a personal level, I used the phrase ride with a wise head in this thread a little while ago. We encourage our members to take responsibility for their own actions, take advantage of further training, wear good protective gear. We dont need to be crashing all over the place, or riding like flaming idiots, it does not help our position at all. Time and place at times. However, we dont want to be dictated to, nor forced by unfair legislation to be compelled to do any of the above.

Bikers have a strong lobby point now, we just need to capitalise on it. By showing we have a strong ethos of safety and considerate behaviour (regardless of the idiots that dont or wont) we are legitimising our position. We are not responsible for everyone and the way they behave, nor can we impose our beliefs on them, it is all about choices. MAG-NZ can only encourage our members to take positive personal action as a bottom line, the rest has to come from within.

[Rhino]

A question for the MAG-NZ Committee,

I and many other KB members received an unsolicited email informing me of MAG-NZ. Note that I said email, not a pm via KB. When I check the message headers I see that these came from a mailer address at KB.

Can you please explain how you obtained these email addresses if you are a separate entity to KB? If the KB database was passed to you, that could be illegal under the Unsolicited Electronic Messages Act 2007 (despite having an unsubscribe link , which also points to KB.)

I will be taking legal advice and if necessary will lay a complaint with the Department of internal Affairs.

Details supplied to KB should not be used for other purposes.

[Smifffy]

You will never be anything else but a Katman :sunny:

We advocate action on a personal level, I used the phrase ride with a wise head in this thread a little while ago. We encourage our members to take responsibility for their own actions, take advantage of further training, wear good protective gear. We dont need to be crashing all over the place, or riding like flaming idiots, it does not help our position at all. Time and place at times. However, we dont want to be dictated to, nor forced by unfair legislation to be compelled to do any of the above.



I for one would like the statistics to represent reality. Like the guy at work that smashed up his foot on his Moto-X bike. You know that was recorded as a motorcycle accident, yet he doesn't pay a cent in rego or levies.

Or the people who crash on private roads, or race tracks....


Travel about 300 mts on the back pegs with a lift at about 11 oclock then you can say you have done a wheelie....once again, im just an observer.

Encouraging riding with a wise head?

[fliplid]

I and many other KB members received an unsolicited email informing me of MAG-NZ.
I feel special- I got 2 :mellow:

Came via the ACC Levy mailer ...

[Virago]

A question for the MAG-NZ Committee,

I and many other KB members received an unsolicited email informing me of MAG-NZ. Note that I said email, not a pm via KB. When I check the message headers I see that these came from a mailer address at KB.

Can you please explain how you obtained these email addresses if you are a separate entity to KB? If the KB database was passed to you, that could be illegal under the Unsolicited Electronic Messages Act 2007 (despite having an unsubscribe link , which also points to KB.)

I will be taking legal advice and if necessary will lay a complaint with the Department of internal Affairs.

Details supplied to KB should not be used for other purposes.

The mail-out was from Kiwi Biker (mailer@kiwibiker.co.nz), not from MAG-NZ.






.

[Mom]

I Like the guy at work that smashed up his foot on his Moto-X bike. You know that was recorded as a motorcycle accident, yet he doesn't pay a cent in rego or levies.

But you see he does pay a levy. He pays when he buys fuel, and he has a deduction made from his earnings as part of the PAYE that is deducted from his wages. Even if he is on a benefit he still pays the levy.

This is a complex and vexed issue.

[SpankMe]

A question for the MAG-NZ Committee,

I and many other KB members received an unsolicited email informing me blah...blah...blah...blah...blah...blah....

Try reading the bottom of the email you received.

[DMNTD]

But you see he does pay a levy. He pays when he buys fuel, and he has a deduction made from his earnings as part of the PAYE that is deducted from his wages. Even if he is on a benefit he still pays the levy.

This is a complex and vexed issue.

The sucky bit in this case (obviously) is we get to pay up to (in my case over twice more...) $500+++ more than 'him' per year

[Top Cat]

Yep....I've :shutup: lol

[Smifffy]

But you see he does pay a levy. He pays when he buys fuel, and he has a deduction made from his earnings as part of the PAYE that is deducted from his wages. Even if he is on a benefit he still pays the levy.

This is a complex and vexed issue.

Yes, I remember well the protests when those charges were increased to help fully fund ACC......

I don't see much complicated or vexed about recording the fact that he had an OFF-ROAD motorcycle accident, and separating that from the accidents involving registered motorcycles on the road.

Edit: For that matter I wouldn't care if he were on road or off, if he paid any rego at all.

[Rhino]

Try reading the bottom of the email you received.
I have read it.:yes: I stated in my original post that an unsubscribe link exists.

The main question is still unanswered, is MAG-NZ affiliated to KB? If not how did they obtain our email addresses?:gob:

[Maha]

I for one would like the statistics to represent reality. Like the guy at work that smashed up his foot on his Moto-X bike. You know that was recorded as a motorcycle accident, yet he doesn't pay a cent in rego or levies.
Or the people who crash on private roads, or race tracks....

The local Repco Manager told me he went to his mates new bike, new bike owner had just returned from an outing, manager dude was wearing shorts and burnt his leg on the pipe, it was writen up as a Motorcycle accident. :mellow:

[Rhino]

The mail-out was from Kiwi Biker (mailer@kiwibiker.co.nz), not from MAG-NZ..
I am very aware of that. My question still stands. Is MA-NZ affiliated to KB?

If not, using the KB mailing facility seems somewhat strange.

[SpankMe]

I have read it.:yes: I stated in my original post that an unsubscribe link exists.

The main question is still unanswered, is MAG-NZ affiliated to KB? If not how did they obtain our email addresses?:gob:

If you clicked on the link, you will see it is from the Kiwi Biker mailer. And as stated on the homepage, I will send out emails for anyone with info on the ACC Levy campaign.

[Bodir]

I have read it.:yes: I stated in my original post that an unsubscribe link exists.

The main question is still unanswered, is MAG-NZ affiliated to KB? If not how did they obtain our email addresses?:gob:

They did not :) KB has a notification system. You have been informed by KB that MAG-NZ has been launched.

I used the same line of comunication when informing motorcyclists about the Christmas ride.

[Scorpygirl]

I have read it.:yes: I stated in my original post that an unsubscribe link exists.

The main question is still unanswered, is MAG-NZ affiliated to KB? If not how did they obtain our email addresses?:gob:

I totally agree I have never given my permission for an organisation called MAG to use or obtain my email address and send me an unsolicited email. I am seeking legal advice as I find this an intrusion of my privacy. If the database has come from KB then more fool you for giving the database to MAG!!!!!

[Smifffy]

The local Repco Manager told me he went to his mates new bike, new bike owner had just returned from an outing, manager dude was wearing shorts and burnt his leg on the pipe, it was writen up as a Motorcycle accident. :mellow:

I wonder if the mate was a good enough mate that the repco dude gave him a few shekels to put toward his ACC levy increase...

[Virago]

I have read it.:yes: I stated in my original post that an unsubscribe link exists.

The main question is still unanswered, is MAG-NZ affiliated to KB? If not how did they obtain our email addresses?:gob:


I totally agree I have never given my permission for an organisation called MAG to use or obtain my email address and send me an unsolicited email. I am seeking legal advice as I find this an intrusion of my privacy. If the database has come from KB then more fool you for giving the database to MAG!!!!!

You guys are having difficulty getting your heads around this.

The email was from Kiwi Biker - NOT from MAG-NZ. No email addresses have been divulged.

If you don't want to receive any further ACC campaign emails from KB, click the unsubscribe link.

[Scorpygirl]

You guys are having difficulty getting your heads around this.

The email was from Kiwi Biker - NOT from MAG-NZ. No email addresses have been divulged.

If you don't want to receive any further ACC campaign emails from KB, click the unsubscribe link.

I have always got it..... but I still think this could have been spelt out. I will be unsubscribing. Thank you!!! :)

[Mom]

The sucky bit in this case (obviously) is we get to pay up to (in my case over twice more...) $500+++ more than 'him' per year

Yes, and this issue is one close to my heart, and the hearts of many others. I attended a public meeting before Xmas where we got Nick Smith to agree that it was unfair to have your ACC ticket clipped so many times. If the next trip to Wellington needs a reason, then this will be it. See this one affects many, not just us bikers.

[Katman]

I will be taking legal advice and if necessary will lay a complaint with the Department of internal Affairs.



I am seeking legal advice as I find this an intrusion of my privacy.


My last ticket was in 2004 in ScorpyGirls car coming up the Bombay Hills.

So you two are a couple?

With an axe to grind against MAG-NZ?

Try harder next time.

[SpankMe]

I totally agree I have never given my permission for an organisation called MAG to use or obtain my email address and send me an unsolicited email. I am seeking legal advice as I find this an intrusion of my privacy. If the database has come from KB then more fool you for giving the database to MAG!!!!!

ok, I give up trying to explain it. I can't deal with the net inept. Maybe someone else can try. Remember to speak slowly. :p

[Virago]

I have always got it..... but I still think this could have been spelt out. I will be unsubscribing. Thank you!!! :)

The problem was finding words with few enough syllables - but we got there in the end...:yes:

[Usarka]

I'm consulting my lawyer! :cry:

[NighthawkNZ]

I have always got it..... but I still think this could have been spelt out. I will be unsubscribing. Thank you!!! :)

You obviosly signed up to the ACC newsletters from KB as it says on the front/home page


Keep up to date with the campaign against changes to our ACC.

Sign up to the:
ACC Levy Campaign Mailing List (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/mailer/).

If you want anything sent out on the mailing list, contact SpankMe.

KB did not give MAG-NZ your email address... MAG most likely asked if an email could be sent about the launch of MAGNZ...

as spank said if you don't want more info to be informed unsubscribe from it...

[Scorpygirl]

The problem was finding words with few enough syllables - but we got there in the end...:yes:

Thank you Virago. Sorry I am very s-l-o-w and have an IQ of i-m-b-e-c-i-l-e. :shit:

[Scorpygirl]

So you two are a couple?

With an axe to grind against MAG-NZ?

Try harder next time.

Excuse me ...... I do NOT have an axe to grind against MAG. It has only just been set up. :shutup:

[Berries]

Your point about MAG-NZ comittee members having a specific ie: different avatr to ordinary members is a good one, mind if I put it forward for you?
Go for your life. I like the one with the masturbating possum myself.

Not a possum masturbating myself. Just to make that clear.

[Brian d marge]

BRONZ are still very much in evidence Bren. Read the website, MAG-NZ is definately NOT a politically motivated group.

if I remember back in the day Mag uk WAS a political group, one of the reason WHY they had clout ...

Im not holding my breath , for sheep to have a strong consensus of will ( opinions , plenty of those , but ,,,,no will)

Im too old

Stephen

Ps Is mutchy still alive ..sod me he must be 110 if hes a day

[Mom]

Ps Is mutchy still alive ..sod me he must be 110 if hes a day

He is. He is trying to finish his 6th book atm. He must have been really young when he got involved in MAG-UK :D

[Brian d marge]

They have achieved quite a lot really - you just seem too generally miserable to notice.
The minister consults Les (amongst others that represent larger numbers of riders).
It was Les who put the 'put money aside for safety measures' is his clam-like.
Plenty of other things too. He has worked quite tirelessly and is close to becoming a player.
BIKEOI etc.

My opinion is 'we' don't need a MAG and a BRONZ. There isn't enough interested people.

If one proves better than the other - well and good. If they serve to make each other weaker...time will tell huh.

Ulysses is sponsoring talks on a 'motorcycle council'. But purport it to be non-political. I suspect that will change in time too.

Good luck to all - said it all twice - I'm done - and will let the media make up their own minds.

agreed ( except for the non political part )
Les spoke really well for the motorcyclist, and like most thing we may not agree with most , but it doesn't matter as the only things those idiots in wellington see are money , and votes ( reputation ...im not sure they care based on some recent media )

hike the rates , change the Acc the current government HAS done this

Has done , finished , done, you pay :yes:

Les and a lot of other worked their arse off , and the silent majority , had to go to work , ( insert cheap excuse )

Now pay up and don't wine ,,,, or sell your bike

Stephen

Disliking of sheep since 196?

[Brian d marge]

He is. He is trying to finish his 6th book atm. He must have been really young when he got involved in MAG-UK :D
well its 25 years ago for me
he wasn't a spring chicken then ,

Stephen

[NONONO]

if I remember back in the day Mag uk WAS a political group, one of the reason WHY they had clout ...

Im not holding my breath , for sheep to have a strong consensus of will ( opinions , plenty of those , but ,,,,no will)

Im too old

Stephen

Ps Is mutchy still alive ..sod me he must be 110 if hes a day

As it says on the site, being politically neutral does not equate to being politically neutered..
The main reason why MAG had so much clout was because it had so many members..and they where active and having some good times.

Never tooo old mate, I mean I was on MAG runs in 76 FFS.

[Brian d marge]

As it says on the site, being politically neutral does not equate to being politically neutered..
The main reason why MAG had so much clout was because it had so many members..and they where active and having some good times.

Never tooo old mate, I mean I was on MAG runs in 76 FFS.
they had how many on the last protest run about ACC here ...10, oh go on lets be creative 100?

whoopeee

and I must admit those Mag sponsored runs were good , every where you rode , there was at least one Mag rep

Stephen

[scracha]

I am very aware of that. My question still stands. Is MA-NZ affiliated to KB?

If not, using the KB mailing facility seems somewhat strange.

KB sends out emails pertaining to anything relating to the ACC issue. It is clearly stated when you join KB.
From time to time, the administrators and/or other members may want to send you email notifications or messages. If you do not want to receive email from certain people then you may disable the options here

Not the first time emails have been sent out (Bikeoi and I think Bronz related stuff). They don't come very frequently either but if you don't like it, change the option in your user profile. If you still aren't happy then just leave, but please don't slam the door when you exit.

Oh, while you're at it...can you ask your lawyer to sort out NZ's most prolific spammer,, Richard Gee http://geewiz.co.nz/

[NONONO]

they had how many on the last protest run about ACC here ...10, oh go on lets be creative 100?

whoopeee

and I must admit those Mag sponsored runs were good , every where you rode , there was at least one Mag rep

Stephen
From memory, the last protest we had in Auckland had over 100, not that long ago, sure someone will have the exact number, and it was a mite on the damp side...
We had a ball.

[Brian d marge]

From memory, the last protest we had in Auckland had over 100, not that long ago, sure someone will have the exact number, and it was a mite on the damp side...
We had a ball.

ya need a touch more than 100 , thats why Grey power is so strong , and Winston peters loved them so much

Stephen

[NONONO]

I have NO doubt we will get there mate...
Anyway cocker it's been a day..
Later.

[oldrider]

both he and John Key are just puppets... I keep saying you want change cut the strings and find the puppeteers

True, no argument about that but they suffer no consequence from their political actions or affiliations!

Other than the three yearly MMP mock election, where they may get thrown out of a seat and then stroll back in through the party vote back door!

They think that they are untouchable under MMP!

We (motorcyclists) should target Nick Smith personally and really hound him into political oblivion!

If we do it well enough the National party will quickly abandon him in their own interest!

It would also establish motorcyclists as a group not to be fucked with in the future!

One objective, one target, one focus a clear time frame and a united front...I.E. his ACC crimes against us!

We have time to do it by the next election, just focus on "Smith" and nothing else and pound him every day 24/7!

Death by a thousand cuts is still death and we could cut him up good if we really "wanted to", thousands of us!

Cut him out of the mob and do him, that's the way nature does it! :yes: The bastard! :angry2:

[MSTRS]

Never ONCE did I say it was a CLUB or lobby group or national body?....I am fully aware of what it does and how it works..............Its just a lot more useful to the everyday biker than the groups you have listed ! :laugh:

No, you didn't. But you did imply that KB is the only motorcycle-related 'organisation' that is needed. Which I pointed out, it isn't.
KB is not an agent for change, although it's members can be - by setting up an Incorporated Society to be the face of those wanting change/improvement for our chosen form of transport/recreation. Other Incorporated societies exist for much the same purpose - but their performance/s may fall short of what many want. Hence their desire to set up a new one that will serve that need.

[avgas]

So now all the crappy admin stuff is done.

When do we burn down the beehive?

[Pixie]

They have achieved quite a lot really - you just seem too generally miserable to notice.
The minister consults Les (amongst others that represent larger numbers of riders).
It was Les who put the 'put money aside for safety measures' is his clam-like.
Plenty of other things too. He has worked quite tirelessly and is close to becoming a player.
BIKEOI etc.

My opinion is 'we' don't need a MAG and a BRONZ. There isn't enough interested people.

If one proves better than the other - well and good. If they serve to make each other weaker...time will tell huh.

Ulysses is sponsoring talks on a 'motorcycle council'. But purport it to be non-political. I suspect that will change in time too.

Good luck to all - said it all twice - I'm done - and will let the media make up their own minds.
I was referring to MNZ

[mashman]

Just need to drop the money in the bank when I get home tonight... Congratulations to MAG-NZ et al, site looks great, plenty of concise information and a desire to look after the future health of your fellow country(wo)men... Actions speak louder than words :yes:...

[shrub]

I think we're long overdue for an active national body representing motorcycling's interests in the same way that the AA do for car drivers. I'm keen to add my support to MAG NZ at this stage.

[Mom]

Just need to drop the money in the bank when I get home tonight... Congratulations to MAG-NZ et al, site looks great, plenty of concise information and a desire to look after the future health of your fellow country(wo)men... Actions speak louder than words :yes:...

Thank you for your support.

[mashman]

Thank you for your support.

hey Mom, sorry i've not been able to put any effort in recently (I have guilt :yes:), stuff to do etc... Are you having any thoughts in regards to a Wellington Chapter? More than happy to do some of the leg work down here if needed :)...

[Mom]

hey Mom, sorry i've not been able to put any effort in recently (I have guilt :yes:), stuff to do etc... Are you having any thoughts in regards to a Wellington Chapter? More than happy to do some of the leg work down here if needed :)...

Having a Wellington MAG_NZ is all part of the grand plan. You may just have got yourself a little job :D

[Big Dave]

I think we're long overdue for an active national body representing motorcycling's interests in the same way that the AA do for car drivers. I'm keen to add my support to MAG NZ at this stage.

Dude - we have some people on a web site that 95% of the motorcycle owners in NZ don't belong to - with all good intentions - basically undermining the potential of the the existing organisation.

I think it's a lamentable state of affairs.

I'm out of politics for good.

[MSTRS]

Dude - we have some people on a web site that 95% of the motorcycle owners in NZ don't belong to - with all good intentions - basically undermining the potential of the the existing organisation.

I think it's a lamentable state of affairs.

I'm out of politics for good.

And there you have it. It's realising that potential that counts...
And talking of lamentable states of affairs...I just spoke with a local m/c store. They had never even heard of that existing organisation.

[mashman]

Dude - we have some people on a web site that 95% of the motorcycle owners in NZ don't belong to - with all good intentions - basically undermining the potential of the the existing organisation.

I think it's a lamentable state of affairs.

I'm out of politics for good.

What do you want to have happen :)? or more over, what hasn't happened that's steeled your resolve so?

[Bald Eagle]

Having a Wellington MAG_NZ is all part of the grand plan. You may just have got yourself a little job :D

Plse advise time/date/venue for Wellington MAG-NZ meeting ? :blink:

[Lucyloo]

Running to catch up with all of this as I have just read the e-mail!

Woohoo - Go Anne, Mark and all the rest of you wonderful folks!
You have my $20.00 and I'm proud to a part of MAG-NZ.

Having seen most of you in action with the ACC levy campaign I totally respect who you are and what your aims are - and I am coming along for the ride!

Cheers
Luce.

[Maha]

Plse advise time/date/venue for Wellington MAG-NZ meeting ? :blink:
Christchurch is underway, Wellington is gathering momentum. Central Districts needs to be covered and two more regions in the South Island would be great. All this and we only launched on Saturday.

Running to catch up with all of this as I have just read the e-mail!

Woohoo - Go Anne, Mark and all the rest of you wonderful folks!
You have my $20.00 and I'm proud to a part of MAG-NZ.

Having seen most of you in action with the ACC levy campaign I totally respect who you are and what your aims are - and I am coming along for the ride!

Cheers
Luce.

Thank you Luce, see you the 3rd?....our expectations of MAG so far have been surpassed.

[Maha]

So now all the crappy admin stuff is done.

When do we burn down the beehive?

No firm date as yet but a Month has been set aside, flame throwers not required though...:shifty:

[oldrider]

You have my pledge of support, membership money will follow! (Secret confession! I'm not fond of Nick Smith! :no: )

[BuckBuck#1]

Hello Mom and my personal comment of welcome to the Motorcycle Action Group MAG-NZ. I trust that down the track MAG-NZ will inject positive and constructive input for and on behalf of motorcyclists it represents. As well I similarly encourage organisations such as BRONZ and Ulysses that they too will significantly contribute to the overall motorcycling community’s wish for improvement.

My recent blogg entry focus was the Motorcycle Safety Levy - MSL and the newly formed ‘establishment group’. In general I am supportive of strategies that will meet common objectives within the motorcycle community. How strategies are developed and implemented I believe will require a collaborative effort between numerous motorcycle organisations, be these recently established and or long standing entities.

How the MSL is used, and used effectively, will to a large extent depend on how well organisations can come together and develop constructive lines of communication with the MSL establishment group, and indeed for the MSL establishment group to be proactive in promoting a very good communications protocol.

The extent of MSL funds will be such that constructive motorcycle initiatives incorporating safety, training, licensing, public awareness, etc should be probable and possible in what I would like to think will be a relatively short time – and of course from the political arena one may anticipate this to be seen to be done as quickly as possible by the current government before the next election, else the ballot booth/box may be a place of serious reflection. A definitive MSL move must be seen sooner rather than later.

Of course organisations will have their own ‘agenda’ on how they may want to operate and form affiliations etc. I just hope and pray that down the track we will arrive at a better place than we left whereby the whole concept of motorcycling and motorcycle safety will be an improvement within and by the whole community.

[Mom]

Of course organisations will have their own ‘agenda’ on how they may want to operate and form affiliations etc. I just hope and pray that down the track we will arrive at a better place than we left whereby the whole concept of motorcycling and motorcycle safety will be an improvement within and by the whole community.

Thank you for your words of support and encouragement. I have absolutely no doubt that all what you are hoping for will infact be the reality. I am sure I speak for all of us when I say we are all about getting what is best for our members, the motorcyclists of NZ.

[crystalball]

sweet im in papakura i look foward to events shirts e.t.c =] joined fb page so will be kept informed:innocent:

[Mom]

sweet im in papakura i look foward to events shirts e.t.c =] joined fb page so will be kept informed:innocent:

Well done you, come say hi on launch day :sunny:

[zealchick]

I have read through the website and skimmed through the thread, where are the four starting points??

[Mom]

I have read through the website and skimmed through the thread, where are the four starting points??

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/127898-MAG-NZ-Official-Launch-Ride-(Sun-3-Oct)

They are about to go up on www.mag-nz.org

[DMNTD]

Well done you, come say hi on lunch day :sunny:

I'll definitely be there if there will be lunch :yes:

[zealchick]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/127898-MAG-NZ-Official-Launch-Ride-(Sun-3-Oct)

They are about to go up on www.mag-nz.org

cool thanks will look out for it :-)

[Mom]

I'll definitely be there if there will be lunch :yes:

:doh: With any luck there will be food sellers there :D Coffee guy, you know the drill.

[MadDuck]

I'll definitely be there if there will be lunch :yes:

We thought you might like to organise that .... :shutup:

[Okey Dokey]

Encouraging advanced rider training sounds a good platform to push. Like others here, I've paid out and done specific mc training both on road and on track with licenced instructors.

Insurance companies don't reduce your premiums in recognition of what you have completed. In fact they discourage you- my excess was doubled when I did track based training.

ACC doesn't take your training or safety record into account when setting your levy. Only the cc of your machine.

It would be great to see progress in these areas.

[Maha]

We have a number of individual ART's in mind they we would like to support by way linking thier website to the MAG website. Its an issue we feel can be pushed but also realise that, its a personal choice for each individual biker.

[Okey Dokey]

Well, that is good. Having linkys on your site is doing something. And obviously the trainers stand to benefit the most if more people are encouraged to undertake ART. So maybe they can lead the way a bit on this particular issue.

I appreciate your answering my thoughts so quickly; it bodes well for MAG NZ that you can listen and respond, I think. Cheers.

[Maha]

Well, that is good. Having linkys on your site is doing something. And obviously the trainers stand to benefit the most if more people are encouraged to undertake ART. So maybe they can lead the way a bit on this particular issue.

I appreciate your answering my thoughts so quickly; it bodes well for MAG NZ that you can listen and respond, I think. Cheers.

My pleasure, I hope you will get in and support MAG-NZ (Christchurch)

[PhantasmNZ]

Encouraging advanced rider training sounds a good platform to push. Like others here, I've paid out and done specific mc training both on road and on track with licenced instructors.

Insurance companies don't reduce your premiums in recognition of what you have completed. In fact they discourage you- my excess was doubled when I did track based training.

ACC doesn't take your training or safety record into account when setting your levy. Only the cc of your machine.

It would be great to see progress in these areas.


Quite interested to hear your story about how the insurance company doubled your excess, we have an story on our site detailing another member's experience with insurance companies following a claim for protective equipment.

What was the response of the insurance company when you explained that you were performing advanced training to improve your safety. Did they increase your excess overall, or just whilst you were preforming the training?

[HappyGOriding]

on the thoughts of advanced rider training I think it should be made complusory as part of gaining your full license

Also big ups to all those invovled in getting MAG NZ up and running another voice out there is great.
Me thinks first up stop all these roading companies from taking out all the bloody corners

[PhantasmNZ]

on the thoughts of advanced rider training I think it should be made complusory as part of gaining your full licenses

My thoughts would be that training that the rider "wants" to do will always be more effective than the training s/he is "forced" to do - there is a drive to succeed and improve vs. a barrier that just needs to be overcome..... in this sense the personal choice of the rider becomes a major benefit not disadvantage

[Bodir]

Me thinks first up stop all these roading companies from taking out all the bloody corners

I hope you were trying to say we should encourage the roading companies to taking out all those roads, right :whistle:

Perfect solution to getting the road toll down to zero :shutup: :innocent:

[Mom]

My thoughts would be that training that the rider "wants" to do will always be more effective than the training s/he is "forced" to do - there is a drive to succeed and improve vs. a barrier that just needs to be overcome..... in this sense the personal choice of the rider becomes a major benefit not disadvantage

Thank goodness you are part of MAG-NZ.

[Mom]

I hope you were trying to say we should encourage the roading companies to taking out all those roads, right :whistle:

Perfect solution to getting the road toll down to zero :shutup: :innocent:

Just because you have the dual purpose machine, we dont all ride off road you know :mellow:

[The Stranger]

How about getting a shit load of flyers out to motorcycle businesses?

Oh to be so young and naive. Will that help them sell bikes or affect their bottom line in the short term?
Been done, many times by both BRONZ and ACC. The boxes of flyers are of course useful, they reduce our ACC as the boxes of flyers stop the doors slamming on people - but hey maybe the motorcycle businesses have wised up over the last few years and realised that repeat business is easier than new business.
For some reason I remain sceptical.
Anyway go the mark and anne show! Perhaps your time is right. Then again, they say that those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
Either way, I'm sure fracturing a minority has it's benefits.

[bogan]

by popular request, avatar is now different!

[Bodir]

Sweet, got one too :)

[PhantasmNZ]

Me too :) funny that...

[jafar]

on the thoughts of advanced rider training I think it should be made complusory as part of gaining your full license

Far better to encourage new & returning riders to do the course because they want to than let the likes of nicky smith come up with another way to tax us out of existance. :yes:

[yungatart]

Far better to encourage new & returning riders to do the course because they want to than let the likes of nicky smith come up with another way to tax us out of existance. :yes:

Yep! Personal responsibility in a nutshell!

I have yet to get to changing my avatar

[Katman]

Oh to be so young and handsome.

Well I would certainly be stapling a copy of one to each job sheet I hand the customer.

What they do with it is their business.

And in fact, I don't need a shit load of them. I only need one that I can print off copies of.

[PrincessBandit]

Either way, I'm sure fracturing a minority has it's benefits.

Surely people can support both? Membership to both MAG and BRONZ is hardly budget blowing so there must be some way of working cooperatively rather than being seen automatically as "competitively"?

[Mom]

Surely people can support both? Membership to both MAG and BRONZ is hardly budget blowing so there must be some way of working cooperatively rather than being seen automatically as "competitively"?

Absolutely Dawn! We dont see ourselves as a threat to BRONZ, we simply have a different approach to things, and will appeal to a broader range of bikers in NZ than BRONZ does. Broader representation can not be a bad thing, as we are all on the same page regarding equity and safety when push comes to shove. We are looking forward to working with BRONZ in the times to come, to get the absolute best outcomes for our members.

[nodrog]

I like how the President looks like she is naked in her profile photograph, that sealed the deal for me :love:

Fanny

[The Stranger]

Well I would certainly be stapling a copy of one to each job sheet I hand the customer.

What they do with it is their business.

And in fact, I don't need a shit load of them. I only need one that I can print off copies of.

I'm sure you would. But history would suggest that you are a minority.
How many people received their free RRRS voucher from bike shops? Wasn't country wide of course and I know a few did, but of the thousands printed only a few were returned.
Of little value perhaps but what about all those that got the free safety vests delivered to bike shops up and down the country courtesy of ACC. Well again, perhaps people just didn't want them. But the free copy of the Biker's Bible, now that would have been handy.
Did the bike shops distribute them? Well a few did, but judging by the numbers we got back not bloody many.

Just a history lesson is all katman. Not saying times haven't changed or that your idea wont work this time round. Perhaps you could take a new tack - you could pay the bike shops to distribute your message, I'm sure that would do it?

[MSTRS]

Retailers are notoriously lazy, so dumping stuff on their doorstep isn't enough.
The trick is to get the shops involved.

[avgas]

While I do enjoy a good wank in the morning, this thread bores me.

Burn down the beehive.

[Rem]

We are currently writing policy on training. MAG believes in, and supports advanced rider training. We will be lobbying hard to get better access to advanced training for bikers around NZ. This ACTION - taking advanced rider training, falls under our umbrella of "Personal Action" and forms part of the MAG policy...

I'm pissed off we were sold out (by bike organizers / spokepersons) after BIKEO1
It seems they were after (and got) a share of the $30 levy imposed on us, so they could fund their own rider training schemes.

Do you have plans to apply for funding?

[Mom]

I'm pissed off we were sold out (by bike organizers / spokepersons) after BIKEO1. It seems they were after (and got) a share of the $30 levy imposed on us, so they could fund their own rider training schemes.

Do you have plans to apply for funding?

There have been no decisions made on how the $30 is being spent, right now it is all about consultation. If you could have a say on how it was used, what would you want to see happen?

We dont have plans to apply for any funding, but we do support having advanced rider training available, as inexpensively as possible, in as many areas in NZ, to as many riders that want to take advantage of it.

[The Stranger]

Surely people can support both? Membership to both MAG and BRONZ is hardly budget blowing so there must be some way of working cooperatively rather than being seen automatically as "competitively"?

Hmm, sure people can support both, and why not?
Well that one is piss easy - apathy.

Surely there must be competition. Competition for support, competition for funds and surely competing ideas (if not why go to the trouble of re-inventing the wheel?).
Lets face it in most areas competition is good. Lobby groups (as with say unions and few others) though, well I'm not so sure that 2 small insignificant groups perhaps delivering different messages even is such a good thing.

Hey, not saying it shouldn't be done, or that it wont work and I'm more than happy to have people out there helping protect my interests for me. Just wondering at the logic is all

[DMNTD]

My thoughts would be that training that the rider "wants" to do will always be more effective than the training s/he is "forced" to do - there is a drive to succeed and improve vs. a barrier that just needs to be overcome..... in this sense the personal choice of the rider becomes a major benefit not disadvantage

Got to disagree on that one. There are way too many current riders,returning riders and even n00bies that genuinely believe that their riding is 'good' when it most certainly is not.
I don't like to be forced into doing anything but if the desired result is to up skill all motorcyclists on the road then I believe it will need to be made mandatory.

[Bald Eagle]

Got to disagree on that one. There are way too many current riders,returning riders and even n00bies that genuinely believe that their riding is 'good' when it most certainly is not.
I don't like to be forced into doing anything but if the desired result is to up skill all motorcyclists on the road then I believe it will need to be made mandatory.

Mandatory only works if the "cost of compliance" is not excessive and going by the ACC costing model that's most unlikely. Ergo mandatory upskilling will result in less compliance and no increase in skill levels.

It's one thing to drag the horse to water, another to make it drink, and if it has to pay it's going to kick.

[DMNTD]

Mandatory only works if the "cost of compliance" is not excessive and going by the ACC costing model that's most unlikely. Ergo mandatory upskilling will result in less compliance and no increase in skill levels.

It's one thing to drag the horse to water, another to make it drink, and if it has to pay it's going to kick.

Understood...however I still believe that a new level of licensing system needs to be implemented sooner than later.
So sure, maybe not the existing holders but the new applicants...

[bogan]

Understood...however I still believe that a new level of licensing system needs to be implemented sooner than later.
So sure, maybe not the existing holders but the new applicants...

It's not just bikers that could benefit from a new level of licensing though, all road users would stand to benifit from extra training. Some shocking road users of all types out there.

[DMNTD]

It's not just bikers that could benefit from a new level of licensing though, all road users would stand to benifit from extra training. Some shocking road users of all types out there.

100% agreed...I know better then most about that (dang it) but since this thread is bike related I thought best I only mention motorcyclists so it doesn't turn into a typical KB BS thread re 'cages' and it being everyone else's fault :shifty:

[Brian d marge]

True, no argument about that but they suffer no consequence from their political actions or affiliations!

Other than the three yearly MMP mock election, where they may get thrown out of a seat and then stroll back in through the party vote back door!

They think that they are untouchable under MMP!

We (motorcyclists) should target Nick Smith personally and really hound him into political oblivion!

If we do it well enough the National party will quickly abandon him in their own interest!

It would also establish motorcyclists as a group not to be fucked with in the future!

One objective, one target, one focus a clear time frame and a united front...I.E. his ACC crimes against us!

We have time to do it by the next election, just focus on "Smith" and nothing else and pound him every day 24/7!

Death by a thousand cuts is still death and we could cut him up good if we really "wanted to", thousands of us!

Cut him out of the mob and do him, that's the way nature does it! :yes: The bastard! :angry2:

I take it you wont be Voting for Mr Slick Dick , innthe next election then

Your post is EXACTLY what should be happening , unfortuantly we need at least 12 000 MORE
here is what happened last time;

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National Party
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
1,053,398
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
44.93
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
41
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
17
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
58
</td></tr><tr><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
Labour Party
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
796,880
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
33.99
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
21
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
22
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
43
</td></tr><tr><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
Green Party
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
157,613
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
6.72
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
9
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
9
</td></tr><tr><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
ACT New Zealand
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
85,496
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
3.65
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
1
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
4
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
5
</td></tr><tr><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
Māori Party
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
55,980
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
2.39
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
5
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
5
</td></tr><tr><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
Jim Anderton's Progressive
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
21,241
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0.91
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
1
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
1
</td></tr><tr><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
United Future
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
20,497
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0.87
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
1
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
1
</td></tr><tr><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
New Zealand First Party
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
95,356
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
4.07
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
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The Bill and Ben Party
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
13,016
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0.56
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
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0
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0
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Kiwi Party
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
12,755
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0.54
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
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0
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Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
9,515
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0.41
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td></tr><tr><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
New Zealand Pacific Party
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
8,640
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0.37
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td></tr><tr><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
Family Party
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
8,176
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0.35
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td></tr><tr><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
Alliance
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
1,909
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0.08
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td></tr><tr><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
Democrats for Social Credit
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
1,208
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0.05
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td></tr><tr><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
Libertarianz
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
1,176
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0.05
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td></tr><tr><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
Workers Party
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
932
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0.04
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td></tr><tr><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
RAM - Residents Action Movement
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
465
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0.02
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td></tr><tr><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
The Republic of New Zealand Party
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
313
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0.01
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td></tr><tr><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;" colspan="3"> </td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
70
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
52
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
122
</td></tr></tbody></table>
basically at the last big rally I heard of , the bikoi ( 5000?? ) the smoke dope party had more people voting for it than was at the bikoi

Even if you add in the stay at home bikers , AND EVERYONE VOTES , there were about 60 000 rego in 2003 ish , thats still maori party level

So you see THERE is NO room for private agendas, EVERYONE , MUST work together ,
No one can afford to say I am out of politics, or it doesn't concern me ( those that do something have every right to feel pissed of towards those that don't ( do anything )

Trouble is as a western culture , its a culture of individuals , on top of that Motorcyclists are the biggest individuals we know ,,,, 60 000 differing opinions doesn't help anyone

The 3 groups that represent motorcyclists , need to sit down , stop pretending they are important or non political ( one group could be non political , but the OTHER MUST BE ) and come up with a very simple plan

We the motorcyclists of NZ will lend out voting block towards any group that can remove Mr slick dick from office ,


Stephen

( Ps, if you borrow the money you must dance to the tune the piper plays )

[Bald Eagle]

The combined voting public didn't have the smarts to know they where being conned when we ended up getting MMP foisted upon us, I doubt the tribe of feral cats called bikers can focus enough to remove a single MP ... but I would love to be proved wrong on that. Go on i dare yah.

[caseye]

I take it you wont be Voting for Mr Slick Dick , innthe next election then

Your post is EXACTLY what should be happening , unfortuantly we need at least 12 000 MORE
here is what happened last time;

<table style="border: 1pt solid windowtext;" border="1" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
National Party
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
1,053,398
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
44.93
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
41
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
17
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
58
</td></tr><tr><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
Labour Party
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
796,880
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
33.99
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
21
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
22
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
43
</td></tr><tr><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
Green Party
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
157,613
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
6.72
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
9
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
9
</td></tr><tr><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
ACT New Zealand
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
85,496
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
3.65
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
1
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
4
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
5
</td></tr><tr><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
Māori Party
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
55,980
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
2.39
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
5
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
5
</td></tr><tr><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
Jim Anderton's Progressive
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
21,241
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0.91
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
1
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
1
</td></tr><tr><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
United Future
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
20,497
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0.87
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
1
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
1
</td></tr><tr><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
New Zealand First Party
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
95,356
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
4.07
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td></tr><tr><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
The Bill and Ben Party
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
13,016
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0.56
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td></tr><tr><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
Kiwi Party
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
12,755
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0.54
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td></tr><tr><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
9,515
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0.41
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td></tr><tr><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
New Zealand Pacific Party
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
8,640
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0.37
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td></tr><tr><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
Family Party
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
8,176
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0.35
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td></tr><tr><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
Alliance
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
1,909
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0.08
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td></tr><tr><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
Democrats for Social Credit
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
1,208
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0.05
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td></tr><tr><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
Libertarianz
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
1,176
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0.05
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td></tr><tr><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
Workers Party
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
932
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0.04
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td></tr><tr><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
RAM - Residents Action Movement
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
465
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0.02
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td></tr><tr><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
The Republic of New Zealand Party
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
313
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0.01
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
0
</td></tr><tr><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;" colspan="3"> </td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
70
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
52
</td><td style="border: 1pt solid windowtext; padding: 2.25pt;">
122
</td></tr></tbody></table>
basically at the last big rally I heard of , the bikoi ( 5000?? ) the smoke dope party had more people voting for it than was at the bikoi

Even if you add in the stay at home bikers , AND EVERYONE VOTES , there were about 60 000 rego in 2003 ish , thats still maori party level

So you see THERE is NO room for private agendas, EVERYONE , MUST work together ,
No one can afford to say I am out of politics, or it doesn't concern me ( those that do something have every right to feel pissed of towards those that don't ( do anything )

Trouble is as a western culture , its a culture of individuals , on top of that Motorcyclists are the biggest individuals we know ,,,, 60 000 differing opinions doesn't help anyone

The 3 groups that represent motorcyclists , need to sit down , stop pretending they are important or non political ( one group could be non political , but the OTHER MUST BE ) and come up with a very simple plan

We the motorcyclists of NZ will lend out voting block towards any group that can remove Mr slick dick from office ,


Stephen

( Ps, if you borrow the money you must dance to the tune the piper plays )

Coul;dn't agree more, given a chance to get establishe and to canvas our already rapidly ( long may it continue)growing membership we'll be able to put forward to the other groups what we would like to do and of course that we'd like to do it with them , given the chance.
I seriously would argue your attendance figue for the Bikoi, you say (5000?) I believe there were at least 7500 bikes parked at Westpac and another official venue, this does not allow for the many hundreds possibly thousands already in Welly city who walked to parliament from thier places of work.
While the actual number was reportedly somewhere nearer 9-10,000 in parliament grounds even that doesn't detract from yuour earlier and quite correct statement that as a group we are the most individualised bunch of hairy arsed peole out there.
This has cause the already existing groups many headaches trying to decide how to get them to join them.
We thought we'd try the direct approach.Give us twenty bucks and be ready to ride on any given day and we'll see what we can accomplish.
Our commitment is unwavering, we hope simply that those interested in change happening come forward with the same resolve.

[MarkH]

It's not just bikers that could benefit from a new level of licensing though, all road users would stand to benifit from extra training. Some shocking road users of all types out there.

Too fuckin' true, mate!

[Brian d marge]

Coul;dn't agree more, given a chance to get establishe and to canvas our already rapidly ( long may it continue)growing membership we'll be able to put forward to the other groups what we would like to do and of course that we'd like to do it with them , given the chance.
I seriously would argue your attendance figue for the Bikoi, you say (5000?) I believe there were at least 7500 bikes parked at Westpac and another official venue, this does not allow for the many hundreds possibly thousands already in Welly city who walked to parliament from thier places of work.
While the actual number was reportedly somewhere nearer 9-10,000 in parliament grounds even that doesn't detract from yuour earlier and quite correct statement that as a group we are the most individualised bunch of hairy arsed peole out there.
This has cause the already existing groups many headaches trying to decide how to get them to join them.
We thought we'd try the direct approach.Give us twenty bucks and be ready to ride on any given day and we'll see what we can accomplish.
Our commitment is unwavering, we hope simply that those interested in change happening come forward with the same resolve.
A figure ( 5000) was picked up somewhere by me , if it was 10 000 thats great , but that 10 000 needs to happen all the time every time

those clots ( and i have been in chambers ) and they are dumber than a redneck in an oean of stupidty and I doubt they understand or even realize the overall effect of their decision making ( and lack of balls)

Stephen

[caseye]

A figure ( 5000) was picked up somewhere by me , if it was 10 000 thats great , but that 10 000 needs to happen all the time every time

those clots ( and i have been in chambers ) and they are dumber than a redneck in an oean of stupidty and I doubt they understand or even realize the overall effect of their decision making ( and lack of balls)

Stephen

Different organisations depending on their perspective at the time have quoted all sorts of figures, the actual figure is unimportant in the scheme of things.Whats imnportant now is that we go forwards and present a united front to Govt of as many motoricyclists/motorists as we can possibly band together who are in fact keen enough to ride anywhere , anytime to make a point and of course to vote as a group to Oust any MP who thinks their seat may still be safe if they ignore our membership.
Poliies are and have been for many years the New Zealands publics enemy number one when it comes to people who can be trusted.
Balls? politicians? are we talking about the same species?
Cheers for the input.

[kb_SF1]

Just completed the membership process, easy and painless.

Having been on the Bikeoi, and a couple of the protest rides will join you on future ones and charity rides.

My apologies for Sunday a prior family commitment in NP, here's looking at a good turn out.

[NONONO]

Just completed the membership process, easy and painless.

Having been on the Bikeoi, and a couple of the protest rides will join you on future ones and charity rides.

My apologies for Sunday a prior family commitment in NP, here's looking at a good turn out.

Welcome along mate..it's going to be some ride.