Drink-driver killed on 18th offence

[scorpious]

Interesting discussion on another forum.

Man killed a woman after driving drunk and crashing into her. Got four years in jail.
I reckon the fuckwit should have been charged with murder and put away for fucking ages.

What's the Kiwibikers opinions?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/4089067/Drink-driver-killed-on-18th-offence

[Gibbo89]

Interesting discussion on another forum.

Man killed a woman after driving drunk and crashing into her. Got four years in jail.
I reckon the fuckwit should have been charged with murder and put away for fucking ages.

What's the Kiwibikers opinions?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/4089067/Drink-driver-killed-on-18th-offence

17 prevoius convictions, the dude was a ticking time bomb. id run over his balls on my bike...

[Genie]

He's had his chance, many times over, he obvisiously has a major problem and as such, his right to live in this society...well really, he doesn't have a right anymore.

It's tragic....I've always wanted to believe that people can change...in this case, maybe he can't. Who knows.

This may just be the thing that sorts him out and he can then go on in life and maybe, he'll use his life as a lesson to others....it's happened before.

Harsher penalties....wake up New Zealand.....it's far too easy to be a crim in this country.

[nothingflash]

Burn him...

[Rogue Rider]

Interesting discussion on another forum.

Man killed a woman after driving drunk and crashing into her. Got four years in jail.
I reckon the fuckwit should have been charged with murder and put away for fucking ages.

What's the Kiwibikers opinions?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/4089067/Drink-driver-killed-on-18th-offence

For what it's worth, my opinion is this....... An accident is an accident, and there should always be grace, for an accident.....

HOWEVER, drinking alcohol, or taking drugs before getting behind the wheel of a vehicle is no accident, it is a willful decision one makes, and chooses.
If one gets behind the wheel after drinking or taking drugs, (prescription or not) and has an accident, and injures, maims or kills someone, then they have deliberately put themselves in that situation, and should face the consequences.

The law should send a sharp and pointed message to offenders, the law should have a mandatory responsibility to charge a person fitting to the result.

If:

Someone is killed: Manslaughter 8-10 years per fatality/ casualty. 50% minimum parole eligibility. (Sentences cumulative not concurrent.)

Someone seriously/ critically Injured: 5-8 years depending on the physical results.

Minor injuries/ Vehicle damage: 2-8 years.

All alcohol related offences should get jail time or Home Detention. No sympathy or warnings. Everyone knows its wrong, and what the consequences are. Its never the offender who is injured or killed, Its always the victims and their families who suffer.

Only my two cents worth. If you drink and drive, you should be shot at in the head with a 50 cal at 100 yards with a 10 second head start.

[SMOKEU]

If one gets behind the wheel after drinking or taking drugs, (prescription or not) and has an accident, and injures, maims or kills someone, then they have deliberately put themselves in that situation, and should face the consequences.


So just because I have problems with my stomach, and have been prescribed medication to fix it, I shouldn't drive? Keeping in mind said medication does not affect my co-ordination in any way, and I don't 'feel' any affects from it, other than reduced levels of stomach discomfort.

[nothingflash]

Only my two cents worth. If you drink and drive, you should be shot at in the head with a 50 cal at 100 yards with a 10 second head start.

Or burned.

[candor]

There was a good old thread asking same question. I agree - murder, but the defense might be that his years of drinking left only one brain cell, so he was under mental disability. Sorry for the orphan.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Rogue Rider again

[scumdog]

Gouge his eyes out.

I bet he then won't be caught drink-driving again.....

[scorpious]

So just because I have problems with my stomach, and have been prescribed medication to fix it, I shouldn't drive? Keeping in mind said medication does not affect my co-ordination in any way, and I don't 'feel' any affects from it, other than reduced levels of stomach discomfort.

If your stomach pills have no negative affect on your driving...fine to drive. Alcohol on the other hand does.

[Rogue Rider]

So just because I have problems with my stomach, and have been prescribed medication to fix it, I shouldn't drive? Keeping in mind said medication does not affect my co-ordination in any way, and I don't 'feel' any affects from it, other than reduced levels of stomach discomfort.

Excludes: non mind or personal control altering medications........ owh except Viagra, I mean its ok if you are hard enough to handle it...........:shit:

[Genestho]

If only you guys knew what a haul it has been to get changes to laws through, which in announcements today - have been fast tracked, they were due early next year!!

I have had the opportunity to be a 'support party' in this case since April.

Jenkins was charged with drink driving causing death, sentenced to 4 years - max penalty 5.
He received a years discount for pleading early guilt.

The family were forewarned there would be a restrictive sentence so luckily they were 'prepared'.

Scary thing is he will be up for parole in just over two years, off the top of my head I'm aware of two repeat drink drivers that have killed, that after release - have reoffended.

The Judge apparently wanted to give a longer sentence but was restricted.

"The defense even tried to avoid a sentence that would have a non parole period as it would interfere with Jenkins 'rehabilitation '.................The judge was not amused by this."

He'd only been out of jail for drink-driving for 10 days when this crash occured.

He fought police when caught, he fled after discharging himself from hospital and was caught a week later. This family have been through hell, are now raising a young man, and to top it off...

The facts that were presented regarding rehabilitation orders and re-offending over and over - have angered and dissapointed the family, and they are seeking answers as to how this happened - quite rightly so.

[FJRider]

........ owh except Viagra, I mean its ok if you are hard enough to handle it...........:shit:

If you aren't .... make sure you have someone to handle it for you ... :blink:

[MadDuck]

Scary thing is he will be up for parole in just over two years.....

Not only is that scary. That is a blimmin disgrace!

[Lurch]

18 offences is well past my level of tolerance for keeping this meat bag alive. Turn him into fertiliser.

[Patrick]

For what it's worth, my opinion is this....... An accident is an accident, and there should always be grace, for an accident.....

HOWEVER, drinking alcohol, or taking drugs before getting behind the wheel of a vehicle is no accident, it is a willful decision one makes, and chooses.
If one gets behind the wheel after drinking or taking drugs, (prescription or not) and has an accident, and injures, maims or kills someone, then they have deliberately put themselves in that situation, and should face the consequences.

The law should send a sharp and pointed message to offenders, the law should have a mandatory responsibility to charge a person fitting to the result.

If:

Someone is killed: Manslaughter 8-10 years per fatality/ casualty. 50% minimum parole eligibility. (Sentences cumulative not concurrent.)

Someone seriously/ critically Injured: 5-8 years depending on the physical results.

Minor injuries/ Vehicle damage: 2-8 years.

All alcohol related offences should get jail time or Home Detention. No sympathy or warnings. Everyone knows its wrong, and what the consequences are. Its never the offender who is injured or killed, Its always the victims and their families who suffer.

Only my two cents worth. If you drink and drive, you should be shot at in the head with a 50 cal at 100 yards with a 10 second head start.

But don't forget, out in less than half the term imposed.

Make it a 25 cal bullet......... at 50 yards, with a 5 second head start....

[gazmascelle]

a good burnout on his face would sort him out.

[SS90]

While trying to keep it topical,

I have to wonder how someone gets 16 convictions for drink driving, he is over 40, so you could average it out I guess....... hmph! Still pretty high.

So, on his 16th offence he gets 3 months..... that seems low for the amount of offences does it not?....perhaps he had stayed out of trouble for long enough so th eJudge was leiniant on him when it came to sentencing that time.

4 years seems both a long time and a short time, (long from his perspective, and short from the victims) but as has been pointed out, he cleary has an issue with drinking..... I am 100% certain he will have to attend some sort of counciling in prison.

Does anyone know what the recidivism rate is for drink drivers, I would believe it is pretty high.... in some European countries, while the level is quite high for still being able to drive, there is 1 level that invalidates your insurance, (but you can still drive if you want, even if the cops stop you), and another that makes it illegal to drive.....Now, if you lose your license more than 3 times in Baveria (that has a high tolerance) for drink driving, you have to under go a mental health examination (which I am told is really really hard), and if you fail that (They want to know why you drink and drive, because only an idiot would do that, and an idiot should not be allowed on the road)....fail this test 2 times, and you will NEVER EVER get your license back, no matter what.

Perhaps we need the same rule.

[JimO]

h drinking. ...fail this test 2 times, and you will NEVER EVER get your license back, no matter what.

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only problem is you dont need a licence to drive a car

[Genie]

only problem is you dont need a licence to drive a car

You raise a valid point.

People that have repeatably driven while disqualified really dont' give a shit about rules..."rules are made to be broken", and the other funny is, "it's only illegal if you get caught".

These are mostly said in jest yet some in our society live by these motto's. Sad thing about this is not only did and innocent women get killed and her son grows up without a mother the offender appears to have no remorse and feels none of the consquesences for his actions. His addiction to alcohol totally overrides any sense of decency and humanity he may have once felt.

[candor]

Confiscate every car they are found in, why not have cops check regularly on these known menaces to ensure they are conducting their lives by bicycle, public transport and cadging rides. Meanie idea - don't serve this person posters put in servos and regular reporting to Police of how they are travelling. My org asked MoT to run a systyem of subsidised transport options eg taxis for the cretins but MoT said this would be seen as Nanny State so politically unfeasible.

We don't need this class to drive legally or illegally just so they can more easily stay in the workforce - which is MoTs justification for bending over backwards to enable licence reissues to clear cut unsuitables. This is insanity. The enabling system here is just as much to blame as the driver - go bereaved family and TGW go! Keep it up!

[scumdog]

Confiscate every car they are found in, why not have cops check regularly on these known menaces to ensure they are conducting their lives by bicycle, public transport and cadging rides. Meanie idea - don't serve this person posters put in servos and regular reporting to Police of how they are travelling. My org asked MoT to run a systyem of subsidised transport options eg taxis for the cretins but MoT said this would be seen as Nanny State so politically unfeasible.

We don't need this class to drive legally or illegally just so they can more easily stay in the workforce - which is MoTs justification for bending over backwards to enable licence reissues to clear cut unsuitables. This is insanity. The enabling system here is just as much to blame as the driver - go bereaved family and TGW go! Keep it up!

Yep, chase down any driver who won't stop for Police - they might be a recidivist drink driver.....:whistle:

[candor]

Stop chasing me.

[scumdog]

Stop chasing me.

Why?

You drunk???:shutup:

[FJRider]

Yep, chase down any driver who won't stop for Police - they might be a recidivist drink driver.....:whistle:

Shoot on sight .... the killing must stop ...

[boman]

But don't forget, out in less than half the term imposed.

Make it a 25 cal bullet......... at 50 yards, with a 5 second head start....

Make it a 30mm Gatling gun at 100 m. That will save burial cost too.

[marty]

Confiscate every car they are found in, why not have cops check regularly on these known menaces to ensure they are conducting their lives by bicycle, public transport and cadging rides. Meanie idea - don't serve this person posters put in servos and regular reporting to Police of how they are travelling. My org asked MoT to run a systyem of subsidised transport options eg taxis for the cretins but MoT said this would be seen as Nanny State so politically unfeasible.

We don't need this class to drive legally or illegally just so they can more easily stay in the workforce - which is MoTs justification for bending over backwards to enable licence reissues to clear cut unsuitables. This is insanity. The enabling system here is just as much to blame as the driver - go bereaved family and TGW go! Keep it up!

What if he does a runner - would this driver fit into your justified pursuit policy?

[FJRider]

What if he does a runner - would this driver fit into your justified pursuit policy?

Depends on what "caliber" of pursuit is used ... :whistle:

[YellowDog]

Excludes: non mind or personal control altering medications........ owh except Viagra, I mean its ok if you are hard enough to handle it...........:shit:

If you take Viagra and drive a car, in the event of a crash your stiffy might puncture the airbag.

Best not to risk it !

[oldrider]

Interesting discussion on another forum.

Man killed a woman after driving drunk and crashing into her. Got four years in jail.
I reckon the fuckwit should have been charged with murder and put away for fucking ages.

What's the Kiwibikers opinions?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/4089067/Drink-driver-killed-on-18th-offence

Lock him up and throw away the key and put all the Judge's and lawyers who let him off so lightly all the other times, in there with him!

The so called legal and justice system in NZ is a bloody joke! :mellow:

[candor]

What if he does a runner - would this driver fit into your justified pursuit policy?

The heart says chase out of hope and the dreamers wish to control the situation, the brain says taihoa fool 'cos you know the odds of even greater harm occurring if you act so as to aggravate the dicey situation are well demonstrated.

1. Attempt to pull asshole over - try waving a Steiny at him

2. If there is no pull over (allowing a few seconds for delayed reactions or the driver to find a safe park) and the driver then increases to dangerous speed for conditions, showing conscious intent of flight then hang well back, getting out of his sight with the siren off.

In an ideal world (if you've no chopper to assist) then prior to pulling back you've fired a starchase bullet at the car (just remember which gun to use as dead drivers also dangerous). Using starchase Communications will now be tracking devo on their internet, and they will also put out a public service announcement warning other drivers of an erratic driver in the area.

Communications will then see if another cop can layout road spikes in a good place given the unsuspecting vehicles current direction, or if it has pulled up anywhere before the spikes meet the car they will direct an Officer (maybe plain clothes) to the location to apprehend the fugitive.

Devos noncompliance will all have been videotaped by equipment on police car 1 that it evaded, so then a Judge like Oldrider will make the fugitive wish they had never done what they did by delivering an appropriate sentence for if there was no victim bar Police who had got screwed around, and a penalty that is fit for a criminal of the lowest order if anyone was actually hurt (a rarer outcome than on occasions that speed chases are employed - potential vics will also be less seriously hurt as impact speed was minimised not maxxed out).

The confiscated car, house, Beemer, family jewels can pay to fit out one more cop car with video and starchase! If its good enough for drug dealers to cover the heli costs...

[Woodman]

What we should be asking is:

What did he get for his 1st,2nd,3rd,4th,5th,6th,7th,8th,9th,10th,11th,12th ,13th,14th,15th
16th and 17th drink driving offences.???

[marty]

2. If there is no pull over (allowing a few seconds for delayed reactions or the driver to find a safe park) and the driver then increases to dangerous speed for conditions, showing conscious intent of flight then hang well back, getting out of his sight with the siren off.
..

By all accounts the 'pursuit' that ended in a double fatal crash in Chch last week lasted less than 10 seconds, so that sounds like that would fit into your profile of acceptableness?

[p.dath]

After 18 times it seems pretty obvious this person is not going to change. So he is going to jail. The only question I have left is how long before he kills the next person? I'm guessing 2 years and 10 days.

[scumdog]

The heart says chase out of hope and the dreamers wish to control the situation, the brain says taihoa fool 'cos you know the odds of even greater harm occurring if you act so as to aggravate the dicey situation are well demonstrated.

1. Attempt to pull asshole over - try waving a Steiny at him

2. If there is no pull over (allowing a few seconds for delayed reactions or the driver to find a safe park) and the driver then increases to dangerous speed for conditions, showing conscious intent of flight then hang well back, getting out of his sight with the siren off.

In an ideal world (if you've no chopper to assist) then prior to pulling back you've fired a starchase bullet at the car (just remember which gun to use as dead drivers also dangerous). Using starchase Communications will now be tracking devo on their internet, and they will also put out a public service announcement warning other drivers of an erratic driver in the area.

Communications will then see if another cop can layout road spikes in a good place given the unsuspecting vehicles current direction, or if it has pulled up anywhere before the spikes meet the car they will direct an Officer (maybe plain clothes) to the location to apprehend the fugitive.

Devos noncompliance will all have been videotaped by equipment on police car 1 that it evaded, so then a Judge like Oldrider will make the fugitive wish they had never done what they did by delivering an appropriate sentence for if there was no victim bar Police who had got screwed around, and a penalty that is fit for a criminal of the lowest order if anyone was actually hurt (a rarer outcome than on occasions that speed chases are employed - potential vics will also be less seriously hurt as impact speed was minimised not maxxed out)...


And the stolen car/one with false plates etc will be dealt with how??

(And the 'public service announcement' warning other drivers (as per your fantasy above) will require ESP on the officers part to know what area to warn before the idjit being chased actually gets there.)

[MIXONE]

And the stolen car/one with false plates etc will be dealt with how??

(And the 'public service announcement' warning other drivers (as per your fantasy above) will require ESP on the officers part to know what area to warn before the idjit being chased actually gets there.)

Meanwhile back on planet earth...