Have I got a leg to stand on? Or time to suck up and pay?

[Bobbyman]

Ok so I was just heading home through Auckland on the motorway today and was cruising south through Spagetti Junction at 85km/h or so when I got pulled over. Supposedly for today Spagetti junction is 60km/h it seemed.... Anyways... I must have met this bike cop on a bad day or something and he decided to bring all the guns out fining me $230 for going 27km/over the speed limit, $100 for not having L plates on my bike (Yeah that's my bad there, had my Learners for a year and a half now and sorta threw them out a year ago) then he also fines me $100 for exceeding the Learners open road speed limit of 70km//h... In the end adding a total of $430 for going 87 on the motorway...
Just wondering if there's anyone out there that's able to let me know if he is able to fine me the $100 for exceeding the Learner speed, as well as this $230 one?
If there's any past experiences or know of any of these situations? and is able to help me it would be a HUGE help! Cheers :scooter:

[Virago]

Someone may correct this, but I believe that you can only be fined for either exceeding the posted speed limit, or exceeding the learner licence limit (invariably the higher fine of the two). But you can't be fined for both on the one offence?

[Bobbyman]

Someone may correct this, but I believe that you can only be fined for either exceeding the posted speed limit, or exceeding the learner licence limit (invariably the higher fine of the two). But you can't be fined for both on the one offence?

Yeah i thought that aswell... seems a bit daft to charge 2 fines for the same thing.

[Ocean1]

Someone may correct this, but I believe that you can only be fined for either exceeding the posted speed limit, or exceeding the learner licence limit (invariably the higher fine of the two). But you can't be fined for both on the one offence?

Why not? Exceeding the posted speed limit and exceeding the coonditions of your license are two seperate offences, no?

True that they'll often organise a back-up charge though.

As for getting off... The speed was posted huh? Did you go check?

[Bobbyman]

Why not? Exceeding the posted speed limit and exceeding the coonditions of your license are two seperate offences, no?

True that they'll often organise a back-up charge though.

As for getting off... The speed was posted huh? Did you go check?

No I did not see any posted speeds. And in doing so I was sticking to a speed that's always been there. 80km/h... the same speed the other traffic that was flowing around me also. The cop did say there was a 60 sign 80 meters back or so from where he caught me but the fact is I didn't see it. So in saying that it's one of the biggest cases of bulsh fines I've seen, yes I WAS going faster than the posted speed i didn't see at the time. So yeah I understand that there will be no way in hell Ill be able to get fully off the fine, but what I'm mainly pissed off about is the fact that A. I am already getting charged for the speed I was travelling. B. I'm already getting charged for a Licence breach. And C for fuck sakes its the bloody motorway that's universally known for going 100 (80 around the Bridge and Spagetti Junction). Remember the fact that I still thought it was an 80km/h area, there is no way in hell I'm going to sit at 70km/h on an open road on a small 2 wheeled vehicle on NZ's busiest road.

Also a note if I am to do a restricted test us learners often get told to travel at the open road speed.

Seems to me he was just trying to meet his damned quota for the week rather than make the road safer....

[FJRider]

So how many demerits ... ??? :shifty:

[Bobbyman]

err 35 plus 50 for the two licence breaches i think...

[Bikemad]

i thought learner rider/drivers arent allowed on the motorway???? only when they have restricted

[red mermaid]

No, you should only get 1 set of demerits.

Write in to the address at the top left of the ticket, and your best option would be to admit 1 speeding offence but ask to be warned on the other (probably best to chose breach of learners for this) as it goes towards double penalty.

Only take you an hour and 50 cents to post the letter so its worth a go.

[FJRider]

err 35 plus 50 for the two licence breaches i think...

So ... in the next two years .... a ticket for exceeding any posted speed liimit (or any traffic offence for that matter) and you are walking for three months ... :yes:

[Latte]

Suck it up on the last 2, you know you're meant to use L plates, and you know you have to stick to 70. You took a risk (which sounds like you've been doing for a while) and you got pinged. Just be thankful you haven't been done more often for it.

On the speeding ticket, go take a look and make sure there's a 60 sign, if there is you weren't paying attention - suck it up.

[Bobbyman]

Alright then cheers. :) ill send in the letter and see what happens. And yeah guess it seems a case of sucking it up and taking the hit then, hope for the best that they may consider giving me a warning for one of the licence breaches, then spend that extra $100 getting my restricted sorted so this doesn't happen again!... ::mellow:

[Bikemad]

as far as i know the 70 kph speed limit on learners licence is why they are not allowed on the motorway........would just be a moving hazard

[Virago]

Why not? Exceeding the posted speed limit and exceeding the coonditions of your license are two seperate offences, no?...

No. In relation to the speeding, it's two laws but only one offence. Being fined (and demerited) for both is effectively a double jeopardy, or being punished twice for the same single action.

Riding without L-plate though is a separate action, and can (and should) be fined and demerited separately.

What puzzles me though, I though a breach of learner licence fine was $400...?

[Bobbyman]

Seems that it's $100 now.

[Bikemad]

as you were people..............just searched LSTA and nothin in there about learners and the motorway........although i still think doin 70 k on the motorway is dangerous and inviting trouble

[FJRider]

as you were people..............just searched LSTA and nothin in there about learners and the motorway........although i still think doin 70 k on the motorway is dangerous and inviting trouble

Did you read the bit where it says where ... it is an offence to Impede the flow of traffic ... ????

Travelling at 70 km/hr ... when (most) others are travelling at 100 (plus) could be seen by some as doing that ... :shifty:

[Bobbyman]

What are the conditions of a learner licence?

* You must not ride a motorcycle with an engine capacity greater than 250cc.
* You must not ride faster than 70km/h on the open road.
* You must not ride between 10pm and 5am.
* You must display an L (learner) plate on the back of your motorcycle at all times when you are riding. Failure to display L plates could result in 25 demerit points and a fine of $100.
* You must have your learner licence with you whenever you are riding.
* You must not carry a passenger.
* If you're under 20 years of age, the legal alcohol limit is 150 micrograms per litre of breath or 30 milligrams per 100 millilitres of blood. This is effectively a zero limit - consuming just one drink will mean you can be charged with drink-driving. If you're 20 or older, the legal alcohol limit is 400 micrograms per litre of breath or 80 milligrams per 100 millilitres of blood.
* Breaching the learner conditions of your driver licence (other than failing to display L plates) could result in you receiving 35 demerit points and a fine of $100. If you breach any other conditions of your driver licence you could receive 25 demerit points and be subject to a fine of $400.

It does state that you are legally allowed on the open road to a limit of 70kmh. Being realistic I do not think that a biker will sit at that speed and be safe. Thus going the speed of the road.....

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/motorcycle-road-code/about-licences/stage-1-learner.html.

[Jonno.]

I would understand why a cop would be pissed when you have a blatent disrespect for the conditions of your license.

[Ocean1]

No. In relation to the speeding, it's two laws but only one offence. Being fined (and demerited) for both is effectively a double jeopardy, or being punished twice for the same single action.

Meh. When I were a nipper I were done for exceeding the posted limit AND speed dangerous.


"Guilty yeronner" says I, (not being silly enough to think anything else was an option).

"You're a menace, young man", says he, "that'll be six months natural and unassisted perambulation".

Crochety old bastard.

[Spearfish]

If you don't hold up traffic (grey area) you can go on any highway or motorway at 70kph or less, but its hard work.
Basically if a push-bike can ride there (excluding cycle lanes) so can a learner or even a moped, its another debate if you should or not. Its just another form of 2 wheeled adventure though.

[cowboyz]

as far as i know the 70 kph speed limit on learners licence is why they are not allowed on the motorway........would just be a moving hazard


actually... the min speed on a motoway is 40km.hr. So you can quite legally ride at 70k/hr on the motorway...

[FJRider]

actually... the min speed on a motoway is 40km.hr. So you can quite legally ride at 70k/hr on the motorway...

Refer to post #17 ... :scooter:

[st00ji]

hard to impede the flow of traffic on your lonesome when there are multiple lanes

[Jonno.]

I don't understand why you wouldn't just stay off the motorway for 6 months instead of acting like the restrictions on a learner license is an imposition on your human rights :scooter:

[cowboyz]

Refer to post #17 ... :scooter:

refer post #22..

Although.. I should have said... Its perfectly legal to travel at 41km/hr on the motorway in a striaght line for those of you who cant drive in a striaght line.


hard to impede the flow of traffic on your lonesome when there are multiple lanes

exactly. even though I think 40km/hr min limit for the motorway is way too low. should be 100km/hr min unless you are at a junction.


I don't understand why you wouldn't just stay off the motorway for 6 months instead of acting like the restrictions on a learner license is an imposition on your human rights :scooter:
exactly! and having a learners licence for 18months is just plain lazy.

[Bobbyman]

I don't understand why you wouldn't just stay off the motorway for 6 months instead of acting like the restrictions on a learner license is an imposition on your human rights :scooter:

Its not a case of human rights. It's a case of using a road. Simple as that. 6 months without using the motorway without a car to use anymore is quite difficult, specially if you use your bike for going from A to B everyday... not just for leisure.

Ok yeah my bad should have gotten my restricted earlier instead of quote "Blatantly disrespecting my licence" but for some reason I never got round to it. Remind me next time to get a nice big bike so I can really disrespect my licence, rather than not just having L plates.

I'm not looking for slander or a slap on the wrist. It was a simple question of whether you can get charged twice for doing the same thing. Simple as brow.!

[rabidnz]

l plate fines are easy to get off in chch, jst mumble something about being targeted by the damned boy racers hasslin ya, works every time

[Genie]

So I'm guessing that you wil be booking for your R asap.
What has happened to you is just the reason I got my R asap...I struggled with the 70k, and falied. I never had the L on...risk I took. Fortunately, when I did get pulled over on both occassions neither cop cared.
Sorry you've been pinged but that is the risk you took. You know you'll get your R no problem so go do it. I'll have my full by Christmas...I'm not fcuking around.

[FJRider]

I'll have my full by Christmas...I'm not fcuking around.

Go girl ...


:lol:

[Latte]

I guess now you have a semi-decent amount of fines, you could always go hard, rack up thousands, then get it wiped for a few days of community service? (I found getting $1000+ tickets easy, I could never bring myself to do Community service, so ended up paying em off $25 a week),

P/T :D

Glad to see you are taking it well, you might be able to get off one of them reading some of the other posts about double jeopardy - always worth a shot.

And Genie: coool , you'll be fine, didn't find the full any harder than the restricted (actually easier now I think about it).

[TimeOut]

No I did not see any posted speeds. And in doing so I was sticking to a speed that's always been there. 80km/h... the same speed the other traffic that was flowing around me also. The cop did say there was a 60 sign 80 meters back or so from where he caught me but the fact is I didn't see it. So in saying that it's one of the biggest cases of bulsh fines I've seen, yes I WAS going faster than the posted speed i didn't see at the time. So yeah I understand that there will be no way in hell Ill be able to get fully off the fine, but what I'm mainly pissed off about is the fact that A. I am already getting charged for the speed I was travelling. B. I'm already getting charged for a Licence breach. And C for fuck sakes its the bloody motorway that's universally known for going 100 (80 around the Bridge and Spagetti Junction). Remember the fact that I still thought it was an 80km/h area, there is no way in hell I'm going to sit at 70km/h on an open road on a small 2 wheeled vehicle on NZ's busiest road.

Also a note if I am to do a restricted test us learners often get told to travel at the open road speed.

Seems to me he was just trying to meet his damned quota for the week rather than make the road safer....

The cop said he clocked you 80m inside the 60k sign, I thought there was a 200m leeway from the sign.

[Spuds1234]

The cop said he clocked you 80m inside the 60k sign, I thought there was a 200m leeway from the sign.

You thought wrong. Thats an urban myth. I can think of atleast 2 places where there is a speed change down here and it would be quite dangerous to speed up before the sign, or slow down only 200m after the sign.

[Banditbandit]

The cop said he clocked you 80m inside the 60k sign, I thought there was a 200m leeway from the sign.


You thought wrong. Thats an urban myth. I can think of at least 2 places where there is a speed change down here and it would be quite dangerous to speed up before the sign, or slow down only 200m after the sign.

Yup ... you must be doing the posted speed AS YOU PASS the signs showing that speed. So you have to slow down BEFORE the signs ....

No-one does I know .... 'cept maybe Katman ...

So a cop can set up just inside a 50k zone .. and pinge everyone doing more than 50ks as they hit the line between the signs ...

[steve_t]

Taken from police.govt.nz

# When enforcement is taking place in an area where drivers are making the transition from a higher speed to a lower speed area, vehicles should not be targeted within 250 (two hundred and fifty) metres from the point where the speed limit changes unless there are good reasons to do so, such as protecting people operating at road works or to ensure the safety of children. (This does not apply within school zones.)
# When speed camera enforcement is taking place in the area of passing lanes, vehicles should not be targeted within 250 (two hundred and fifty) metres of the finish of any passing lane.


http://www.police.govt.nz/resources/2007/speed-enforcement-guide/index.html

[Maha]

Now this bit is interesting....:shifty:

# When speed camera enforcement is taking place in the area of passing lanes, vehicles should not be targeted within 250 (two hundred and fifty) metres of the finish of any passing lane.

So its ok to do 120kph in the last 250 mters of a passing lane, lets face it, how often do you have to crank it up over the speed limit on a passing lane?

[tigertim20]

Why not? Exceeding the posted speed limit and exceeding the coonditions of your license are two seperate offences, no?

True that they'll often organise a back-up charge though.

As for getting off... The speed was posted huh? Did you go check?

two offences, maybe, but one act. if i was arrested for punching someone in the face once, I wouldnt be given two jail sentences for the one act.

[tigertim20]

No. In relation to the speeding, it's two laws but only one offence. Being fined (and demerited) for both is effectively a double jeopardy, or being punished twice for the same single action.

Riding without L-plate though is a separate action, and can (and should) be fined and demerited separately.

What puzzles me though, I though a breach of learner licence fine was $400...?

they reduced the value of the fine, and increased demerits, as younger drivers seem to be the ones getting caught for such offences so often. Made sense to the higher ups the attak the licence rather than the wallet

[MarkH]

Yeah that's my bad there, had my Learners for a year and a half now

I don't get it - what's the point of being on the learners for a single day longer than you have to? Unless you like the stupid restrictions of course. Back when I was a teenager I got my license as quick as possible (passed the theory at 15yrs & 3 days, passed the practical on the earliest available day that I could book it - I was 15 years and 1 month old) and I would have move up to a full license as quickly as I could if there was a graduated license back then.

I gotta wonder what was up with the coppa though - if you were riding along going with the flow of traffic why did he bother to pull you over? Did he find out that a biker has been sleeping with his missus or something? (I try to be careful - park around the corner and be gone before he gets home)

[Scuba_Steve]

I don't get it - what's the point of being on the learners for a single day longer than you have to? Unless you like the stupid restrictions of course. Back when I was a teenager I got my license as quick as possible (passed the theory at 15yrs & 3 days, passed the practical on the earliest available day that I could book it - I was 15 years and 1 month old) and I would have move up to a full license as quickly as I could if there was a graduated license back then.

I was on learners for 6yrs... Why? Because learners didn't stop me from doing anything & Restricted is a total waste of money & serves no purpose other than to bring the Govt more $$$, eventually I got it as you need it to get full but it still remains a waste of time & money.

[MarkH]

I was on learners for 6yrs... Why? Because learners didn't stop me from doing anything

You spent 6 years without needing to exceed 70kph? :shit:

[Scuba_Steve]

You spent 6 years without needing to exceed 70kph? :shit:

You would be assuming I obeyed that limit in the first place, I said it never stopped me from doing anything I never said the things I did were "legal"...

[MarkH]

You would be assuming I obeyed that limit in the first place, I said it never stopped me from doing anything I never said the things I did were "legal"...

Oh, well - as long as you haven't posted on KB about being done for breeching a license condition and how unfair it was of the cop to ping you for it and you have been riding for 6 years without upgrading your license.

But if you are just going to do what you want and ignore the law then why do you even need the learners? Why not just ride without a license?

[Banditbandit]

Taken from police.govt.nz

# When enforcement is taking place in an area where drivers are making the transition from a higher speed to a lower speed area, vehicles should not be targeted within 250 (two hundred and fifty) metres from the point where the speed limit changes unless there are good reasons to do so, such as protecting people operating at road works or to ensure the safety of children. (This does not apply within school zones.)
# When speed camera enforcement is taking place in the area of passing lanes, vehicles should not be targeted within 250 (two hundred and fifty) metres of the finish of any passing lane.


http://www.police.govt.nz/resources/2007/speed-enforcement-guide/index.html

That's interesting .. but the police operations manual doesn't over ride the law ... and I've seen heaps of officers do both of those things ... and so wil many people here have seen it ...

[Scuba_Steve]

Oh, well - as long as you haven't posted on KB about being done for breeching a license condition and how unfair it was of the cop to ping you for it and you have been riding for 6 years without upgrading your license.

But if you are just going to do what you want and ignore the law then why do you even need the learners? Why not just ride without a license?

Well I had full plans to just get my full soon as possible, but then I learnt how much of a rip the restricted was & having a learners never disadvantaged me ever, so it just kinda got dragged out till I finally gave up & got it just so I could move to full.

[Mom]

Now this bit is interesting....:shifty:

# When speed camera enforcement is taking place in the area of passing lanes, vehicles should not be targeted within 250 (two hundred and fifty) metres of the finish of any passing lane.

So its ok to do 120kph in the last 250 mters of a passing lane, lets face it, how often do you have to crank it up over the speed limit on a passing lane?

Does not apply to mobile units though, I got a ticket for 112kph at the end of a passing lane. Spped kills dont forget :pinch:

[Berries]

Taken from police.govt.nz

# When enforcement is taking place.....
I always understood that the 200m thing was originally meant to ensure that mobile speed cameras were not pointing in to a lower speed zone and thus pinging people who weren’t speeding. This eventually led to the 200m limit for all enforcement – it means there is no argument as to which side of the sign you were on, and compensated for the fact that many signs are not at their legally defined position. The downside of this was that some of TPTB started moving the speed limit signs 200m to compensate, which leads to a lack of compliance. But, as Bandit says, the speed limit is where the speed limit signs are (assuming all the legalities are kosher) so you can get nicked 5m from it.

[Bobbyman]

Oh, well - as long as you haven't posted on KB about being done for breeching a license condition and how unfair it was of the cop to ping you for it and you have been riding for 6 years without upgrading your license.

But if you are just going to do what you want and ignore the law then why do you even need the learners? Why not just ride without a license?

Sorry that you see it that way :(. I may have portrayed in some of my posts that it seemed I was saying it was unfair. (Out of anger and frustration). But i accept that i was in the wrong.
And I should have had L plates.
And saw the 60 sign at the time :(.
Luck of the draw really that I just happened to meet a cop that didn't like me too much.

But once again I initially was just looking for somebody who had heard or knows about the same situation with the two infringements for the same thing. And thanks now to some of the posts here, I have some good answers.

[Bobbyman]

And from what I remember yeah that 200m thing was related to mobile cameras. Not police cars. Quite often I've seen them sitting almost right next to a 50 sign. (Prime example coming out of Taumaranui during the winter season).

[jtzzr]

Unfortunately you may have to bite the bullet on this one and put it down to experience .

Iv`e bitten the bullet more than once in the last year and the experience cost me $690 (totally my fault)but cheaper than a weekend in Queenstown.

Maybe question the 2 speeding tickets though. Best of luck with that.

[blue109]

I don't go through spagetti junction unless I absolutely have to, what a fuck-up of a place, and the cops haunt it like vultures looking for the guy using common sense instead of the idiocy the roading planners have inflicted on the hapless user. and it's dangerous! :angry:

[scumdog]

I don't go through spagetti junction unless I absolutely have to, what a fuck-up of a place, and the cops haunt it like vultures looking for the guy using common sense instead of the idiocy the roading planners have inflicted on the hapless user. and it's dangerous! :angry:

On of the perks of living in the great norf eh?:shifty:

[Owl]

and having a learners licence for 18months is just plain lazy.

What about 8 years?:shutup:

[Toaster]

Someone may correct this, but I believe that you can only be fined for either exceeding the posted speed limit, or exceeding the learner licence limit (invariably the higher fine of the two). But you can't be fined for both on the one offence?

Correct. It is double dipping.

[Patrick]

... fining me $230 for going 27km/over the speed limit, $100 for not having L plates on my bike (Yeah that's my bad there, had my Learners for a year and a half now and sorta threw them out a year ago) then he also fines me $100 for exceeding the Learners open road speed limit of 70km//h... In the end adding a total of $430 for going 87 on the motorway...
Just wondering if there's anyone out there that's able to let me know if he is able to fine me the $100 for exceeding the Learner speed, as well as this $230 one?
If there's any past experiences or know of any of these situations? and is able to help me it would be a HUGE help! Cheers :scooter:

He can. It is a learner breach, seperate from the speeding ticket.....

What it isn't, is exceeding 70kmph and ticketing you for that.... which has happened on occasions on here... Nothing to lose and plenty to gain by writing in about it all though.

And get the restricted, you lazy prick. "A year and a half".... pfft.

As for demerits, you only get pinged for the heaviest demerit in the one stop. IE: 35 demerits for speed, 35 demerits ofr learner plate and 35 demerits for learner exceeding 70 in the one stop ticket = 35 demerits.

[rastuscat]

He can. It is a learner breach, seperate from the speeding ticket.....

What it isn't, is exceeding 70kmph and ticketing you for that.... which has happened on occasions on here... Nothing to lose and plenty to gain by writing in about it all though.

And get the restricted, you lazy prick. "A year and a half".... pfft.

As for demerits, you only get pinged for the heaviest demerit in the one stop. IE: 35 demerits for speed, 35 demerits ofr learner plate and 35 demerits for learner exceeding 70 in the one stop ticket = 35 demerits.


Wot 'e sed. 'E nose wot 'e is tokking 'bout.

Never ceases to amaze me the number of experts on here who give totally bollocks info.

Ho hum.

[Spearfish]

Wot 'e sed. 'E nose wot 'e is tokking 'bout.

Never ceases to amaze me the number of experts on here who give totally bollocks info.

Ho hum.

I'm shocked!
Bollocks?
Totally?
Really?
Shyt, what?
Nah..
Aye?

But seriously it hasn't ceased yet?

[Juzz976]

You should get a discount because its a temporary speed limit... and can't get 2 tickets for same thing. Exceptions is truck driver allowed no seatbelt if making frequent stops in 50k zone, if you are speeding then there is no dispensation for the belt as you were doing more than 50.

Pissed me off other night, lady gets pulled up for running red light, breath tested, pass. 'ok don't do it again, have a good night'
I'm like FFS if she was 10 years younger and male she'd have been given a ticket, a rant about how shes not even a good driver, imparment tested and searched. Basically teated like a criminal.

Sorry if posted already just no effort to read all posts, u know how it is.

[Patrick]

You should get a discount because its a temporary speed limit... and can't get 2 tickets for same thing. Exceptions is truck driver allowed no seatbelt if making frequent stops in 50k zone, if you are speeding then there is no dispensation for the belt as you were doing more than 50.

.

You at least read posts 55 and 56....???

Sigh....

Its a speed limit. Discount? Pfft...

And it isn't two tickets for the same thing.... still.....

And truck drivers don't get exemptions for frequent stops. Only Couriers, mechanics test driving a car, cops and taxi drivers do.

[eelracing]

Quite often I've seen them sitting almost right next to a 50 sign. (Prime example coming out of Taumaranui during the winter season).

Or ol' goldfingers in Te Kuiti...i think his name was Trevor in a previous life

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[The Pastor]

Ok so I was just heading home through Auckland on the motorway today and was cruising south through Spagetti Junction at 85km/h or so when I got pulled over. Supposedly for today Spagetti junction is 60km/h it seemed.... Anyways... I must have met this bike cop on a bad day or something and he decided to bring all the guns out fining me $230 for going 27km/over the speed limit, $100 for not having L plates on my bike (Yeah that's my bad there, had my Learners for a year and a half now and sorta threw them out a year ago) then he also fines me $100 for exceeding the Learners open road speed limit of 70km//h... In the end adding a total of $430 for going 87 on the motorway...
Just wondering if there's anyone out there that's able to let me know if he is able to fine me the $100 for exceeding the Learner speed, as well as this $230 one?
If there's any past experiences or know of any of these situations? and is able to help me it would be a HUGE help! Cheers :scooter:

yeah i know the bike cop who got you, hes a real dickhead.

[The Pastor]

As for demerits, you only get pinged for the heaviest demerit in the one stop. IE: 35 demerits for speed, 35 demerits ofr learner plate and 35 demerits for learner exceeding 70 in the one stop ticket = 35 demerits.

is that law or police policy?

[myvice]

Regardless of how guilty you are, you have to try.
The “Well you shouldn’t have, suck it up and pay” is often spoken by those who would be the first to jump and cry fowl if they where handed a fine by some over zealous official.
In the future, you will get away with a certain amount, and you will get caught from time to time as well.
But to just roll over and meekly hand your cash without at least trying?
The cop has done his job to the fullest extent of the law, now it’s your turn to put the same effort in to get them to dial it back a bit.
Find a happy medium, you will have to pay, but money it too hard to get to give it all away.
Good luck.

[Patrick]

is that law or police policy?

Neither. LTNZ do it all.....

[Bobbyman]

Regardless of how guilty you are, you have to try.
The “Well you shouldn’t have, suck it up and pay” is often spoken by those who would be the first to jump and cry fowl if they where handed a fine by some over zealous official.
In the future, you will get away with a certain amount, and you will get caught from time to time as well.
But to just roll over and meekly hand your cash without at least trying?
The cop has done his job to the fullest extent of the law, now it’s your turn to put the same effort in to get them to dial it back a bit.
Find a happy medium, you will have to pay, but money it too hard to get to give it all away.
Good luck.

Cheers mate :)

Yeah got a letter on the way down now see if they are willing to reconsider it... Result = positive I hope :P.

[Bobbyman]

yeah i know the bike cop who got you, hes a real dickhead.

You do o.O? Past experience being pulled over by him?

Maybe next time I'll offer him some Prozac and directions to the nearest relief centre. See if it makes him a little less uptight ;)

[The Pastor]

You do o.O? Past experience being pulled over by him?

Maybe next time I'll offer him some Prozac and directions to the nearest relief centre. See if it makes him a little less uptight ;)

yeah he loves getting people in the 70 zone doing 80. at midnight. Hes got the worse attitude of them all. there's two of them - pommy immagrints with a real bad attitude - "I am the law! You will respect me!"

I was like calm down mate, I know ur the boss. He thought My bike wasnt up to standard and wanted me to rat out my wof guy. My bike was fine - had new tyres and brakes even, but no it has soft suspension ( I told him it made it way easier to do wheelies on, he didn't believe me) and an inaccurate speedo! ha! how many bikes have accurate speedos!

He needs a good slap, and a ticket back to England. And his boyfriend too. ( tried the whole good cop bad cop routine - My mate wanted to add 10km/hr onto ur speeding ticket.....but im the nice guy giving you the ticket for the speed you actually were doing!)

then a few weeks later he snapped me not wearing my seatbelt in the cage (just forgot about it) came with the same bullshit attitude! trying to tell me that i'd die in a minor fender bender because the air bags would kill me....

[The Pastor]

Neither. LTNZ do it all.....

So if the cop wanted to give out all the demerits he could? Or would LTNZ over ride him?

[Toot Toot]

It was pretty clearly marked as a 60 zone because that is the day that the Newmarket Viaduct was closed for the transition to the new one. All sorts of road cones, signs and flashing light thingamebobs. You must be asian or a taxi driver to have missed them. You must have failed the attitude test I would think to get all those notices. As mentioned, write in and admit to being an idiot and ask to get of the learner infringment.

[scumdog]

So if the cop wanted to give out all the demerits he could? Or would LTNZ over ride him?

''if the cop wanted to give out all the demerits he could'' -WTF ??????


Your ticket would only be marked by the cop for the demerits gained by a speeding offence - DEMERITS FOR ANY OTHER TYPE OF OFFENCE ARE NOT RECORDED ON THE TICKET BEING ISSUED TO YOU...

LTNZ attributes any demerits created by other than speeding to your licence...

[The Pastor]

''if the cop wanted to give out all the demerits he could'' -WTF ??????


Your ticket would only be marked by the cop for the demerits gained by a speeding offence - DEMERITS FOR ANY OTHER TYPE OF OFFENCE ARE NOT RECORDED ON THE TICKET BEING ISSUED TO YOU...

LTNZ attributes any demerits created by other than speeding to your licence...


Well I've had a ticket given to me with no demerits marked, yet i still got them. So can t he cop legally issue multiple tickets? Heres one for speeding and heres one for unsafe lane change - both with demerits?

[Patrick]

So if the cop wanted to give out all the demerits he could? Or would LTNZ over ride him?

Wot scummy sed....


Well I've had a ticket given to me with no demerits marked, yet i still got them. So can t he cop legally issue multiple tickets? Heres one for speeding and heres one for unsafe lane change - both with demerits?

The ticket didn't have the demerits section on it? That would be a fake ticket, as they are written on all tickets....:innocent:

If you read the ticket, it says demerits for speeding, and has the demerits to be recorded depending on how fast you go. It is all there for one to read, for speeding only... The cop doesn't write anything about the demerits.

And for the questions.....

1. Yes.

2. Yes. But only the highest demerits for one infringement out of the 2, 3 or 10 you might receive, go on to the "demerit points tally for slow learners" system.... ie: 25 demerits for unsafe lane change, 35 points for speed in the one ticket = 35 demerits on your total, thanks. (Not 60 as some would have you think....) Discount for bulk offending.

[cowboyz]

of course they can! in the same fashion they can issue tickets for no wof no reg speeding a no seatbelt... all in one hit...

[The Pastor]

Wot scummy sed....



The ticket didn't have the demerits section on it? That would be a fake ticket, as they are written on all tickets....:innocent:

If you read the ticket, it says demerits for speeding, and has the demerits to be recorded depending on how fast you go. It is all there for one to read, for speeding only... The cop doesn't write anything about the demerits.

And for the questions.....

1. Yes.

2. Yes. But only the highest demerits for one infringement out of the 2, 3 or 10 you might receive, go on to the "demerit points tally for slow learners" system.... ie: 25 demerits for unsafe lane change, 35 points for speed in the one ticket = 35 demerits on your total, thanks. (Not 60 as some would have you think....) Discount for bulk offending.

thanks for the reply, but what im trying to understand is that the discount for bulk offending is law, police policy or ltnz policy?

[Patrick]

thanks for the reply, but what im trying to understand is that the discount for bulk offending is law, police policy or ltnz policy?

LTNZ - be it law, policy or whatever.... they do all the demerit stuff.

[Bobbyman]

It was pretty clearly marked as a 60 zone because that is the day that the Newmarket Viaduct was closed for the transition to the new one. All sorts of road cones, signs and flashing light thingamebobs. You must be asian or a taxi driver to have missed them. You must have failed the attitude test I would think to get all those notices. As mentioned, write in and admit to being an idiot and ask to get of the learner infringment.

Well that must have been just before they put all the cones out. Because when i was there it looked exactly the same as every other day. And my flatmate will say the exact same thing who was just infront of me at the time... < lucky for him he was going round 70 :innocent:

Yeah sorry bro not asian or a taxi driver on a bike. (and i met some asian bikers and they are pretty bloody good at what they do). And yeah no attitude, I was actually polite and apologetic at the time.

[Max Preload]

Its a speed limit. Discount? Pfft... Why not? You get one for the 28-day roadside license suspension (on accusation, without due process) threshold - 50km/h over a temporary posted speed limit vs 40km/h over a permanent posted speed limit.


is that law or police policy?
It's LAW. Land Transport Act 1998 Section 88 (3). (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1998/0110/latest/DLM435009.html)


Neither. LTNZ do it all.....No. As above, it's law. Tut-tut.

[The Pastor]

Why not? You get one for the 28-day roadside license suspension (on accusation, without due process) threshold - 50km/h over a temporary posted speed limit vs 40km/h over a permanent posted speed limit.


It's LAW. Land Transport Act 1998 Section 88 (3). (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1998/0110/latest/DLM435009.html)

No. As above, it's law. Tut-tut.

Thank you sir, never trust a pig to know anything about the law ;)

[Max Preload]

Thank you sir, never trust a pig to know anything about the law ;)Well, certainly never take any legal advice from one anyway... ;)

[scumdog]

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No. As above, it's law. Tut-tut.


The only demerits a cop make note of on a ticket are those for speeding.

All the other ones are not made mention of - they tend to catch people out.

[SMOKEU]

The only demerits a cop make note of on a ticket are those for speeding.

All the other ones are not made mention of - they tend to catch people out.

Do you know if demerits get handed out for a noisy exhaust, and if so, how many?

[Max Preload]

The only demerits a cop make note of on a ticket are those for speeding.

All the other ones are not made mention of - they tend to catch people out.Yes, I've only ever seen speeding demerits noted on an ION and it seems more informational.

I was just commenting on the fact that only the demerits of the highest value are recorded against your license for offences ticketed arising from the same set of cirumstances. Despite what they have been saying on 'Road Cops' when the kid has been issued two license breaches and they've claimed '70 Demerits' as the conclusion.

[Max Preload]

Do you know if demerits get handed out for a noisy exhaust, and if so, how many?
Operate vehicle that creates excessive noise (http://legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2004/0427/latest/DLM303622.html) - $50 infringement fee (up tp $1000 on summary conviction) (http://legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/1999/0099/latest/DLM280158.html?search=sw_096be8ed80561752_%22Opera te+vehicle+that+creates+excessive+noise%22&p=1&sr=0) and 25 demerit points (http://legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/1999/0099/latest/DLM280512.html?search=sw_096be8ed80561752_%22Opera te+vehicle+that+creates+excessive+noise%22&p=1&sr=1).

[scumdog]

Operate vehicle that creates excessive noise (http://legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2004/0427/latest/DLM303622.html) - $50 infringement fee (up tp $1000 on summary conviction) (http://legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/1999/0099/latest/DLM280158.html?search=sw_096be8ed80561752_%22Opera te+vehicle+that+creates+excessive+noise%22&p=1&sr=0) and 25 demerit points (http://legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/1999/0099/latest/DLM280512.html?search=sw_096be8ed80561752_%22Opera te+vehicle+that+creates+excessive+noise%22&p=1&sr=1).

So.. enjoy..SMOKEU!

[jack_hamma]

Do you know if demerits get handed out for a noisy exhaust, and if so, how many?

Guess HOW load is it? it's 100 decibel at ???? rpm I think.... Ever been tested smoku?

[SMOKEU]

Guess HOW load is it? it's 100 decibel at ???? rpm I think.... Ever been tested smoku?

I got a noisy exhaust fine once but it didn't say anything about demerits. It tested at 108dB.

[jack_hamma]

I got a noisy exhaust fine once but it didn't say anything about demerits. It tested at 108dB.

Fuck 108db isnt that bad, some of these HD's riders around here you cant even hear your own bike when riding with them..

Wouldn't think it would carry any demerits... cop what of said surely.

[SMOKEU]

Fuck 108db isnt that bad, some of these HD's riders around here you cant even hear your own bike when riding with them..

Wouldn't think it would carry any demerits... cop what of said surely.

SR20DET with no mufflers, just a couple of small hotdogs in the exhaust, pure jizz in my pants sound.

[jack_hamma]

SR20DET with no mufflers, just a couple of small hotdogs in the exhaust, pure jizz in my pants sound.

Is that a bike or a car? don't know alot of bike dude... but cars lol that a niassn if it is one?

[SMOKEU]

Is that a bike or a car? don't know alot of bike dude... but cars lol that a niassn if it is one?

Yeah, it's a Nissan. The CBR sounds pretty mint now as well since I rangied up the exhaust with a drill.

[scumdog]

Wouldn't think it would carry any demerits... cop what of said surely.

I think you should see post #83 eh...

And why would a cop ruin the rest of your day by letting you know you have just got some (more?) demerits???:msn-wink:

[Banditbandit]

thanks for the reply, but what im trying to understand is that the discount for bulk offending is law, police policy or ltnz policy?

What discount for bulk offending ????

"Dear Law enforcement person ...

I burgled 17 houses this week, beat up two old ladies and raped a 12 year old girl.

I believe I should get the discount for bulk offending, and receive 5 days Periodic Detention ..."

Yeah fucking right ...

There is no discount for bulk offending ... they can charge you with every offence they can find if they are so inclined ...

[The Pastor]

What discount for bulk offending ????

"Dear Law enforcement person ...

I burgled 17 houses this week, beat up two old ladies and raped a 12 year old girl.

I believe I should get the discount for bulk offending, and receive 5 days Periodic Detention ..."

Yeah fucking right ...

There is no discount for bulk offending ... they can charge you with every offence they can find if they are so inclined ...

please read the thread before commenting, we are talking about demerits on speeding tickets.

[Banditbandit]

please read the thread before commenting, we are talking about demerits on speeding tickets.

I did read the whole thread dingbat ... get that joint out of your avatar's gob hole ...

[The Pastor]

I did read the whole thread dingbat ... get that joint out of your avatar's gob hole ...



ok.... can't do anything for ya if your basic comprehension isn't up to scratch then.

[The Pastor]

I did read the whole thread dingbat ... get that joint out of your avatar's gob hole ...

ah don't worry, you ride a bandit, never mind, keep calm and carry on.

[myvice]

ah don't worry, you ride a bandit, never mind, keep calm and carry on.

Failing that, pick one...

[Banditbandit]

ah don't worry, you ride a bandit, never mind, keep calm and carry on.

Yeah ? What have you got against Bandits? Ever ridden one?


Failing that, pick one...

That was amusing ...

[The Pastor]

Yeah ? What have you got against Bandits? Ever ridden one?



naaaa they seem to be as slow as their riders

[Patrick]

What discount for bulk offending ????

"Dear Law enforcement person ...

I burgled 17 houses this week, beat up two old ladies and raped a 12 year old girl.

I believe I should get the discount for bulk offending, and receive 5 days Periodic Detention ..."

Yeah fucking right ...

There is no discount for bulk offending ... they can charge you with every offence they can find if they are so inclined ...

JUst an example....

186 burglaries, 2 years imprisonment. ON appeal, it went up to 5 years imprisonment.

1 charge of burglary carries a 10 year imprisonment penalty. This was 186 charges.....

No discount for bulk offending...?????

YEAH.... RIGHT.....

[Patrick]

It's LAW. Land Transport Act 1998 Section 88 (3). (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1998/0110/latest/DLM435009.html)

No. As above, it's law. Tut-tut.

And what does the first line of this "law" say...?

"The Agency" is LTNZ....

Guess this pig was right after all....

[Max Preload]

As for demerits, you only get pinged for the heaviest demerit in the one stop. IE: 35 demerits for speed, 35 demerits ofr learner plate and 35 demerits for learner exceeding 70 in the one stop ticket = 35 demerits.
is that law or police policy?
Neither. LTNZ do it all.....
It's LAW. Land Transport Act 1998 Section 88 (3). (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1998/0110/latest/DLM435009.html)

No. As above, it's law. Tut-tut.
And what does the first line of this "law" say...?

"The Agency" is LTNZ....

Guess this pig was right after all....

No - you just lost track of what was actually asked. It wasn't what agency administers the demerits: it was whether the application of points arising from a number of offences arising from a single incident was determined by law or Police. It's clearly by law.

[Patrick]

No - you just lost track of what was actually asked. It wasn't what agency administers the demerits: it was whether the application of points arising from a number of offences arising from a single incident was determined by law or Police. It's clearly by law.

Clearly.... but my point was, it wasn't the "Police..." Guess this whole thread lost track, really.....

[Max Preload]

Guess this whole thread lost track, really.....On an internet messageboard? Well, I'm pretty sure that's never happened before...:confused:

[Bobbyman]

Just an update to what happened. So. Ended up just hardening up and paying the fine. Had a look at the legislation and it stated that you only get demerits for the highest demerit amount. (27km/h over the speed limit in a temporary 60). So only got 35 demerits. :).

Also called NZTA about the fine and they also said that the only way you would get multiple demerit charges is if the cop made a mistake putting the fines into the system. Which is an error by the cop. And if taken to court, would be won pretty much straight away.

So just a note for anyone else ending up in the same situation here's something to help :)http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1998/0110/latest/DLM435009.html

:)

[Max Preload]

So just a note for anyone else ending up in the same situation here's something to help :)http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1998/0110/latest/DLM435009.html

:)Yeah, well done on finding that. I'm surprised someone else didn't mention it earlier. Like 6 weeks ago. :facepalm: