Win a car! Save lives!

[Lou Girardin]

The LTSA has come up with a 'road safety' quiz we can do when we relicence or reregister our bikes/cars etc.
I heard some of the questions this morning, you'll need a good knowledge of LTSA propaganda to win, eg. At 120 km/h your chances of having an accident are; 2, 3 or 4 times greater?
I have a question,
If you staff a road safety authority with inexperienced academics, career opportunists and political toadies. You will end up with a totally irrelevant drain on taxpayers money. True or false?
Lou

[What?]

True, Lou. So very, very true.:(

[bluninja]

I heard they are spending $4 million on the scratch cards and prizes......and that on top of the 'Don't worry be Happy' ads costs. I guess at least they are trying something new (and non punitive)....and it's cheaper than making road improvements.

TTFN

[750Y]

Originally posted by Lou Girardin
... At 120 km/h your chances of having an accident are; 2, 3 or 4 times greater?

... At 50 km/h your chances of having an accident are; 2, 3 or 4 times greater if You can't drive for shit in the first place?

there was a case recently of an 'absolute dickhead' 73 yr old man who was appealing against a dangerous driving conviction. "Evening Post"
apparently he pulled out of a supermarket carpark running down 2 pedestrians 1 a pregnant woman(or woman with a pram i forget)
anyway...
his defence was that "he was only going slowly, because the sun had blinded him".
the judge stated that he was "Not entitled to amble along blindly until he struck something"
the guy should have received a flogging as well as the conviction.

[k14]

This is just a complete load of shit!!!

Where did the LTSA get a spare $4 million to waste on this crap??? Gee i wonder!!!

If they spent a little less time running around with their fingers up their arses and actually started doing some work, then we actually might not feel so pissed off when we get a ticket for doing 55 in a 50!!

They will probably come out and say it was a succes because next week one person less will be killed on the road than the same week last year. :angry2: :angry2:

Yet another total and utter bullshit money waster.

[Nouseforaname]

They could at least take us all out for dinner first before they fuck us up the ass:D

I cant wait for dec 23rd, cos then i have to get my rego, im gona love going in and paying for a full years rego in 5cent pieces. I know im gonna have to wait 4 ages while they count it but it will be worth every second:D

[wkid_one]

Hey Nouse - just be warned - they don't have to accept it - they will likely ask for you to go away and bring a cheque back.  Good Idea - it has been done before - they will politely tell you to fuck off

[SPman]

How does knowing the road code make you a safer driver?

Answers on the head of a needle . please!

[Nouseforaname]

Originally posted by wkid_one
Hey Nouse - just be warned - they don't have to accept it - they will likely ask for you to go away and bring a cheque back.  Good Idea - it has been done before - they will politely tell you to fuck off

Yeh i had a feeling that might happen, but i will try never the less:D Hopefully i get someone on their first day of work who dosnt know any better.

How the fuck is a scratch card gonna bring the road toll down and make everyone a safer driver?

[MikeL]

Scratch 'n win is a silly idea, but looking on the positive side the silliness of it might just possibly be a sign of desperation and a tacit admission that the "big stick" tactics haven't actually been the great success that has been claimed. Interesting logic, of course, in official statements at various times. If the road toll seems to be coming down, it's because of the heavier penalties and greater enforcement. If it starts to rise, it must be because penalties and enforcement are not rigorous enough. Perhaps at last some cretinous bureaucratic brain has realized that we can't be fobbed off indefinitely with illogical arguments and meaningless slogans.
Or am I just being naive?

[jrandom]

Originally posted by SPman
How does knowing the road code make you a safer driver?

Answers on the head of a needle . please!

well, give the road code its due... if everyone (including our favourite un-NZ-licensed immigrant drivers) knew it back to front, there *would* be less accidents. The give way rules and wotnot would work if everyone followed them.

Case in point - I got a dirty look from a female driver t'other day going through a roundabout. She pulled half a car length over her double lines before slamming her brakes on. I was going straight through, she was coming from my left. As per the RC I didn't indicate as I entered the roundabout, then started indicating left as I approached my exit (at about the same time she braked). I have no idea what was going through her head, but I suspect she failed to understand the meaning of my indicating. Presumably because she hadn't read the road code in the last ten years or so and it had leaked out of her brain to make room for yesterday's episode of Neighbours. Or something.

Nothing wrong with drivers knowing the road code. The problem is (a) drivers NOT knowing it and (b) drivers not understanding the physics of a 2000kg mass moving at 100kph and (c) drivers not developing the trained responses to provide appropriate control inputs in all possible situations.

Hang on... have I just been trolled? <_<

[k14]

I think that is the best example of people not knowing the road code. I go to uni in christchurch, which has lots of roundabouts. I always do it the way the road code says, but i fell like i am the only person who ever does it!!

:argh: :argh:

[SPman]

Originally posted by MikeL
....Or am I just being naive?

Yup!&nbsp;

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Originally posted? by jrandom

Hang on... have I just been trolled? <IMG alt="" src="http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/images/smilies/dry.gif" border=0>

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[Big Dog]

Originally posted by wkid_one
Hey Nouse - just be warned - they don't have to accept it - they will likely ask for you to go away and bring a cheque back.&nbsp; Good Idea - it has been done before - they will politely tell you to fuck off

So pay at a post office they are also trading as a bank and as such are required by law to exchange any legal tender for any legal tender at the request of a customer.

The real flaw to your plan is that the only person who will experience any disatisfaction at your Method Of Payment is the teller. They are hardly likely to voice your concerns to the local mp.

now if we organised a few thousand people to all do this on the same day around the country that might have a small impact if you actually told anyone why these acts of terrorism occur.

I have used this MOP before and it is very effective when you are punnishing the person directly and even better if you take one out!

[750Y]

whats the use of knowing all the road rules when there's only a 1 in a million chance of actually winning the car?

[jrandom]

Originally posted by 750Y
whats the use of knowing all the road rules when there's only a 1 in a million chance of actually winning the car?

Learning the road rules is free, assuming you already own a copy of the road code. If it costs nothing, a .000001 probability of winning a car is always better than a zero probability.

How many people buy a $5 Lotto ticket every week for an even smaller expected ROE?

Apart from the fact that I've just demonstrated the old truth that gambling is a tax on the mathematically illiterate (is that 'innumerate'? and does the preponderance of such individuals in society allow one to claim that the innumerate are innumerable? :p) I'm not sure what I'm proving with the above, except that I'd probably fill out the scratch card if I was handed one. Which none of you probably care about anyway.

[Motoracer]

LOL, very good point 750Y

[Motoracer]

I think the angle of attack is similar to what was succesfull in schools. Why do most kids hate school work? Its boreing/no fun etc. Once they made school work fun, kids started doing better. Likewise I reckon this is their way of makeing people reallise some facts the "fun" way. I am not takeing their side but I think that would be the logic behind it.

[Lou Girardin]

Lets make driving fun! Make them all ride bikes.
At the least it'll teach the survivors good defensive driving skills.
Lou

[What?]

Originally posted by k14
I think that is the best example of people not knowing the road code. I go to uni in christchurch, which has lots of roundabouts. I always do it the way the road code says, but i fell like i am the only person who ever does it!!

:argh: :argh:

You have unwittingly uncovered one of the major flaws, K14.

The road code talks of indicating right-hand turns through roundabouts, but this does not concur with the legal definition of a right-hand turn (crossing the centreline) and the design standards for roundabouts.

As a roundabout has its' centreline in the middle, it is only possible to do a legally defined right-hand turn if you drive onto the island.

No wonder everyone is confused.

[James Deuce]

Originally posted by jrandom
Learning the road rules is free, assuming you already own a copy of the road code. If it costs nothing, a .000001 probability of winning a car is always better than a zero probability.

How many people buy a $5 Lotto ticket every week for an even smaller expected ROE?

Apart from the fact that I've just demonstrated the old truth that gambling is a tax on the mathematically illiterate (is that 'innumerate'? and does the preponderance of such individuals in society allow one to claim that the innumerate are innumerable? :p) I'm not sure what I'm proving with the above, except that I'd probably fill out the scratch card if I was handed one. Which none of you probably care about anyway.

Nice!! Not only literate, but nicely constructed and reasoned. Deeply impressed that there is an FXR150 rider with a brain that big, but then most motorbicyclists are over endowed in the cerebral regions.

Good point though. We have a government limiting the number pokies in pubs and publicly decrying the impact of gambling on society (while collecting the tax take from lotto quite happily) coming up with a gambling based solution to make the great unwashed feel happier about being taxed to buggery and told what and when to do things.

Something doesn't ring quite true somehow.

[Big Dog]

Not that this is likely to lead to people paying their registrations more regular ly just to get their gambling fix.:confused:

[jrandom]

Originally posted by Jim2
Deeply impressed that there is an FXR150 rider with a brain that big

Shoei Raid, size XL.

Are smart people supposed to ride big bikes, then? Damn. Hey, if someone stereotypes or discriminates based on engine displacement, does that make them a cubist? :D


Good point though. We have a government limiting the number pokies in pubs and publicly decrying the impact of gambling on society (while collecting the tax take from lotto quite happily) coming up with a gambling based solution to make the great unwashed feel happier about being taxed to buggery

Welcome to the Brave New World.

[Big Dog]

Shoei have specifically singled me out as someone they don't want in their helemets. Their basic shells' neck hole is to small to get one over my ears.:gob:

And I think the "cubist's" you refer to are basing their prejudice on penis envy.

Bigger aint always better. Have you ever tried to use a 20oz hammer to put in panel pins?:shit: :bash:

[750Y]

Originally posted by Jim2
Deeply impressed that there is an FXR150 rider with a brain that big, but then most motorbicyclists are over endowed in the cerebral regions.

lmao