Anyone using Shinko Apex 010s?

[NP82]

Hi all,
I'm about to put on a new set of tyres, and it's a choice between Michelin Power 2CT's and the Shinko Apex 010's. I'm a student so the cheaper price of the Shinkos is tempting, but I don't know much about them. Has anyone used them on their sportbike? I do a few track-days so I need a sticky tyre. I know that Shinko are a budget tyre, and Michelins are proven etc etc... but I would appreciate feedback from people who have experience with the actual tyres.
Cheers,
Nick

[ynot slow]

Had to replace my tyres on bandit,very nearly changed from pr2's but priced well imho for me.
Talked to a bike shop owner selling shinko amongst others,he fitted a set of shinkos on a sv1000,and named on a tl1000,both done befor guys went on 5000km trip,the named were well over half worn,the shinkos looked barely worn,and 12 months later the shinkos still going on the sv,and tl has had another set.The guy on shinkos did state they took awhile to heat up,but he is happy,and at $450-500 set seem good value.

Think they were 005 tyres.

[NP82]

thanks for that. I've now been offered a pretty good deal on some Diablo Rosso's. I'm inclined to go with them just because they're tried and true... if only they were $200 cheaper

[boman]

IMHO.The only similarities between the Shinkos, the Pirellis, and the Michelins, is the fact that they are round and black. The Pirellis and Michelins will run rings around the Shinkos as far as consistant grip and handling goes. I know which ones I would bet my life on.

And it will not be shinkos.

Pay the money, and get a reliable, reputable brand, that you can rely on, when you need to.
:scooter::wari::wari::scooter::Punk:

[puddy]

i think there's a product review on them in the latest BRM mag. They're fitted to a GSXR750.

[SMOKEU]

GN250s come out with Shinkos, and I've heard several people complaining about poor grip levels from those rubbers.

[boman]

And I think from memory, that this question, has been discussed in another post on here also.

[tigertim20]

Hi all,
I'm about to put on a new set of tyres, and it's a choice between Michelin Power 2CT's and the Shinko Apex 010's. I'm a student so the cheaper price of the Shinkos is tempting, but I don't know much about them. Has anyone used them on their sportbike? I do a few track-days so I need a sticky tyre. I know that Shinko are a budget tyre, and Michelins are proven etc etc... but I would appreciate feedback from people who have experience with the actual tyres.
Cheers,
Nick

I got a shinko put on the rear of my R1. just did a 2500km trip on it, and it was sweet! no complaints from me on the shinko

[Stylo]

IMHO.The only similarities between the Shinkos, the Pirellis, and the Michelins, is the fact that they are round and black. The Pirellis and Michelins will run rings around the Shinkos as far as consistant grip and handling goes. I know which ones I would bet my life on.

And it will not be shinkos.

Pay the money, and get a reliable, reputable brand, that you can rely on, when you need to.
:scooter::wari::wari::scooter::Punk:

I agree, pay the extra and have the security and peace of mind. I saw a guy come off his Aprilia big time at Ruapuna a couple of weeks ago when the rear tyre let go ( Shinko front and rear )

[DMNTD]

I agree, pay the extra and have the security and peace of mind. I saw a guy come off his Aprilia big time at Ruapuna a couple of weeks ago when the rear tyre let go ( Shinko front and rear )

Says it all right there :yes:
Plus....there are some good tyre deals atm (especially Per's) so not much difference in price

[NP82]

I agree, pay the extra and have the security and peace of mind. I saw a guy come off his Aprilia big time at Ruapuna a couple of weeks ago when the rear tyre let go ( Shinko front and rear )

yea, I was there too, pretty awful. You can't put a crash down to just the tyres, but it doesn't inspire confidence in shinko!

[hellokitty]

my husband has worked in the tyre trade for years and ridden for years - there is no way I would be allowed to have shinkos on my bike...... personally I have no idea about tyres but I have seen the faces that people pull when talking about them. I had shinkos when I had a GN250 and they weren't that good

[pc220]

I agree, pay the extra and have the security and peace of mind. I saw a guy come off his Aprilia big time at Ruapuna a couple of weeks ago when the rear tyre let go ( Shinko front and rear )

Never been to Ruapuna or any track TBH. But Im guessing there would be guys having big offs regardless of tyre brand.

[Chrislost]

Had to replace my tyres on bandit,very nearly changed from pr2's but priced well imho for me.
Talked to a bike shop owner selling shinko amongst others,he fitted a set of shinkos on a sv1000,and named on a tl1000,both done befor guys went on 5000km trip,the named were well over half worn,the shinkos looked barely worn,and 12 months later the shinkos still going on the sv,and tl has had another set.The guy on shinkos did state they took awhile to heat up,but he is happy,and at $450-500 set seem good value.

Think they were 005 tyres.

"named" tyres means jack shi...

were they sporty "named" crusing "named" scooter "named" was the guy on the TL a throttle jockey? was his suspension set up, was teh SV ridden by a lady? was the SV suspension set up?


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[Chrislost]

I agree, pay the extra and have the security and peace of mind. I saw a guy come off his Aprilia big time at Ruapuna a couple of weeks ago when the rear tyre let go ( Shinko front and rear )

Farrr man, you shoulda seen Craig sherrifs crashing big time, 3 times, at hampton downs.

Certainly does not put much faith in Pirelli's finest...


shinkos are all good, provided its dry and warm...

[ynot slow]

"named" tyres means jack shi...

were they sporty "named" crusing "named" scooter "named" was the guy on the TL a throttle jockey? was his suspension set up, was teh SV ridden by a lady? was the SV suspension set up?


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Your sarcastic point being?
I said the dealer said shinko and named brand(can't remember if metzler or pirelli)and both riders capable of hooning,but mostly they were responsible types.My point was comparing tyres on similar bikes(both V twins,not cruiser and sports bike),riding on same road surface and distance,he offered his opinion.I thought he gave honest responces to my questions,as he said a batch of Continental tyres came from Korea a while back and people were non the wiser.Me I'm happy to pay around $630 for PR2's fitted etc,but those with budget may like to pay $490 for shinko,for me the extra $50 or so per tyre was a premium I was prepared to pay for.

[NZsarge]

shinkos are all good, provided its dry and warm...

My brother ran a set of (at that time) the sportier Shinko's on his FJR 1300 in Ozzy, he thought they were pretty good but that said he reckoned he probably would'nt run them if he were back in NZ.
As you said... DRY and WARM.

[Owl]

he said a batch of Continental tyres came from Korea a while back and people were non the wiser.

Yeah but Koreans make some good shit................not that you'll catch me riding on Samsung tyres:no:

[R1madness]

I agree, pay the extra and have the security and peace of mind. I saw a guy come off his Aprilia big time at Ruapuna a couple of weeks ago when the rear tyre let go ( Shinko front and rear )

To be fair you have to tell the full story.

The rider is a good mate of mine and i talked to him a lot about the crash. Turns out he was trying to slide the rear while practicing wheelstands like max biaggi when it let go and highsided him. He is not blaiming the tires only poor throttle control on his behalf and maybe a couple of clicks of rebound might have helped.
I have a set of the APEX on my GSXR1000 and have riden to the brass monkey and back, the west coast and back, round the block, akaroa GP (local chch thing), commuted and 2 up work. The Shinkos work great, warm up well and offer good levels of grip. The front is stable under braking and offers decent feel mid corner. The rear grip is fine (turn in is a little slower than the pirellis i replaced)and stability is excellent. Tire life will be somewhere around 6000km but that is using sports tire pressures, if i sacrificed a lillte bit of grip i could have increased the mileage by about 2000km.
For the ROAD they make a great sports tire. On the track i would say that if you are smooth and have a flowing style you will probibly like these tires but if your all brakes and throttle you will probibly not. Would i "race" on them? Probibly not as there are proper "full race tires" available but for a performance street tire that might see the odd track day they are great.

And yes they will let you get a knee down..... if thats your thing.... :Punk:

Remember that Shinko make lots of different levels of tire, yes the std fitment on a gn250 was a shinko. it was crap but so was the (chineese made) bike. Everyone makes different levels of tire and to judge a brand on its lowest entry level tire is not fiar, Lets face it Bridgestone makes some bloody average tires but the ones supplied to motogp seem ok for grip

[porky]

any thing will let go if you push it hard enough. Yes ive had shinko, and didnt bin it because of them or any other reason, but it was a low hp bike and i didnt ride it like rossi. My experience is a brand wont give you what you are after. Look at the products in the range and match them with what you intend to do, then compare price etc.

[PaddyFZ1]

If your putting them on your Fazer, id go for either Mich Pilot road or conti Road Attacks. Ive run both these on my gen 1, and gen 2 Fazer. They will give you the best life and grip. Ive run both these at Hampton downs on my gen 2, and had a bast, no problems at all. They even looked better than my mates who were running sportier compounds and circulating slower than i was.

[CHOPPA]

I have tested the shinkos and they had just as much grip on the track as the conti slicks I tested. Pirelli rears are fine but the front tyres not. Metz are similar to pirelli and michelin were horrible. Dunlop are the best.

What im trying to say is if the Shinkos are cheaper then that would be the option id take

[rie]

Advance 005s are sports tires like the Apex 010s. I am not going to comment on the Apex but I can comment on the Advance. They are perfectly fine for inner city riding, motorway, etc that you get for commuting, and just fine in the wet. As a student I can only assume you will commute on these 90% of the time. For track days you need to be so much more aware of what you are doing. I find the Advance extremely difficult to get hot but then, I don't weigh much. Having said that, most track riders will be sensitive to the state of their tires anyway. My biggest concern with the Advance has been that the profile does not instil much confidence in high speed cornering. If you go look at a rear tire on one of those you will see what I mean.

Based on that experience I would say, if you are on a strict budget then get the Apex.

But some excellent budget-friendly alternatives are:

Investing in second hand tires (or at least, just the front tire) of a superior brand for those track days. You can get lots of second hand tires with heaps of tread left on them perfect for occasional trackday-ers like yourself. And keep the Apex for commuting - they will last forever.

A second alternative is to get a shinko rear but a better quality front.

[riffer]

A second alternative is to get a shinko rear but a better quality front.

Exactly. As Valentino Rossi is rumoured to have said, put a tyre you absolutely love on the front of the motorcycle. Then put something round and black on the rear.:yeah:

[Crasherfromwayback]

Remember that Shinko make lots of different levels of tire, yes the std fitment on a gn250 was a shinko. it was crap but so was the (chineese made) bike. Everyone makes different levels of tire and to judge a brand on its lowest entry level tire is not fiar, Lets face it Bridgestone makes some bloody average tires but the ones supplied to motogp seem ok for grip


I have tested the shinkos and they had just as much grip on the track as the conti slicks I tested. Pirelli rears are fine but the front tyres not. Metz are similar to pirelli and michelin were horrible. Dunlop are the best.

What im trying to say is if the Shinkos are cheaper then that would be the option id take


And there you have it. They're actually good tyres, and even better value.

[sapperj]

I ride a Hobag gt250r and it has the std Shinko tyres.
In the Dry, I have pushed pretty hard (as far as a 2fiddy will go) on the piecock hill, rimutakas etc... Front gets a bit dodgy under hard braking and the rear feels like it drops in pretty good.
Wet... scared shitless
And yes I have dropped it... Akatarawas on a wet road. rear let go, usal story...
Probally a combination of alot of things but dosent inspire confidance.

Will I buy Shinkos again? No.

Jas

[avgas]

Whats your riding style boss?

I actually enjoyed have shinko rear on my 01 Fazer.
Its suited my style perfectly as I could either drift (putting more weight into the front) or carve the corners.

Shinko's on the front was awesome if you were just commuting, but the FZ1 had too much weight in the front for the tyre for me when I pushed it. But in saying that I would kill a battleaxe front in about 3,000km when I got it super sticky. So mabey I am a rought c*nt.

[skippa1]

your tyres keep your arse in the seat and not skidding down the road. had Shinkos, Michlins, Pirellis, Dunlops etc. Wouldnt skimp on safety of a good tyre, maybe an extra $100 bucks a set, for anything. Michilins for me every time. Why spend good gold on a bike then skimp or gamble on the bits that keep you upright.

[DarkLord]

Michelins all the way.

I've run both and Michelins, to my mind, are far superior, especially in the wet.

It's worth paying a bit more for better quality.

[carver]

you n00bs need to wise up

i could roll 2 up stoppies in the rain on shinko 003s

on the DRZ-SM

[Owl]

Yeah, but you're a legend!

[carver]

Yeah, but you're a legend!

just another n00b....

however, the shinko 003 was all god, they tend to flatten off though

[Zedder]

I had Shinkos on my Kawi in Aussie (warm and dry for sure) and rode thousands of kms on them although I'm certainly not the knee dragging type.

Over here, I'm a bit leery of them in the wet but they have lasted really well in terms of tread life.

However, I'm up for new tyres very soon and will check out Continentals or such like at the time just to see how they go.

[DEATH_INC.]

All tyres work fine when things are going in accordance with plan, but it's those times you REALLY need them to work that you'll find the difference, and it's to late to change your mind then.
Think about that.

Chop, what's wrong with the Pirelli fronts?

[Quasievil]

I put on some Shinko Apex 010 tryes front and rear this week, I am very impressed actually, they feel great and Im confident on them also

I am doing a bit of a review of them I will have this on youtube after a track day next week.

My impression so far is I have ZERO problem with them, and I have ridden on most brands out there on road enviroments as well as racing.
Next week at the MOTOTT will be the decider for track day stuff, but for a road tyre big thumbs up !:yes:

[R1madness]

All tyres work fine when things are going in accordance with plan, but it's those times you REALLY need them to work that you'll find the difference, and it's to late to change your mind then.
Think about that.

Chop, what's wrong with the Pirelli fronts?

Nothing... he just doesn't like the different feel they give. The pirellis tend to squish more under hard braking than the dunlops do so tend to give a (slightly) walking feeling especially if you dont run them with quite the right pressure for the day....

[racefactory]

I had the 010 it's fine but the 003 is definitely better and actually pretty good. Just had the 003 on track this weekend and it felt just as good as pilot powers.

here's a good review comparison that includes them: http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/545/8287/Motorcycle-Article/Shinko-003-Stealth-Tire-Comparison-Review.aspx

Not much slower than the stickiest of road legal rubber.

[tigertim20]

I used shinkos front and rear on my 01 R1. They were fairly good for a cheap tyre, but they werent fond of the wet, they tended to get a bit skittery in the ass, and on occaision in the front too.
They did OK for a trackday as well.
the issue I had was they pancaked very fast, and I blew through a rear in 2500km, including one wet trackday.

Overall, they were ok, however the few extra dollars for better tyres is worth it, as the next set of tyres (pilot road 2's) have already given me 3 times the kms, without flattening off in the centre, and provide better feel when im on the edge, and when im in the wet.

Id be okay with them on a 250, or a 600 tourer, but if youre on a 600+ and like to push sometimes, get better tyres

[evilrsvrguy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A4k8eLt85IU

[nsrpaul]

ive got apex 10s on my ktm, and they SUCK

[Quasievil]

ive got apex 10s on my ktm, and they SUCK

Im thinking you suck


If you think that so bad, tell us a little more about why you think so ??

[nsrpaul]

theres a list

lack of outright grip, dont get me wrong they arnt terrible grip wise but not up to pilot power levels, def not a race tyre

the feedback from the rear is not consistent compared to other tyres i have tried

they tend to "judder" when letting go as opposed to a gentle slide or vibration

on the plus side

get up to temp as quick as can be expected and wear rates seem comparable to pilots on the ktm at least

my personal suckyness is a source of constant debate

[SPman]

Had a Shinko on the rear of my ZX9R - good in the dry - a bit skittery in the wet. 5000kms and it was getting due for replacement....a 005 I think...
The local hotshots use them at the drags and they grip OK but say they tend to let go suddenly when pushed hard on the road....

[CHOPPA]

For the record guys the new pirellis are the shit and I have changed to them this year :)

As for the Shinkos, I also deal with the company that supplies them so I get the honest inside scoop. Adrian and Jay who both are very good riders, the latter being one of the top in the country and they have told me how good the shinkos actually are also I have witnessed Adrian on them on the track and I was impressed

[Quasievil]

Nah this year its all about the R10 Bridgestone, they are the tyre to beat
Adrian told me so !

[CHOPPA]

Nah this year its all about the R10 Bridgestone, they are the tyre to beat
Adrian told me so !

Wouldnt be running them on a super

[intern]

Just got my RF900 over the weekend; it has Shinko Apex on it. Seem just fine, but what would I know...haven't ridden a bike in over 15 years. Which made the trip from Whangarei where I fetched it, to Ohope where I live, kinda interesting in a 'good thing my wife removed my balls for buying this thing, because they wouldn't work like they used to' kind of way.