Sorry mate... Didn't see ya [Archive]

Nouseforaname

26th November 2003, 21:56

It really pisses me off when i hear the excuse.... " o sorry mate, i didnt see ya there".

They manage to turn the steering wheel, change gears, push the gas, push the brake, sometimes indicate.... they can do all these things but they cant use their own f$%kin eyes? why didnt they see me?

It's not the fact that they dont see you, it's the fact they didnt look.

Just look at how many people are killed worldwide driving their cars across railway tracks, it's not as if they missed a 1000000kg train coming towards them, they simply didnt look.

Yoy could be driving the Titanic down the road on castor wheels and people would still pull out on you......... i think it's time we start beating these people down who use such as a lame excuse for there own supidity and laziness.

Sorry for the angry rant, but was just in a little ding in a mates car just now and the old prick pulled that excuse out.

Lee Rusty

27th November 2003, 03:03

He saw you he just did not percieve you to be a threat -

any one using that excuse to a cop should have his licence taken until eyes are tested - if they test ok - then they should lose licence for inattention.

If he is blind - lose licence anyway.

27th November 2003, 05:00

My Dad is a VIP (Visually Impaired Person). He lost his licence due to his sight. In his VIP support group, there is a guy who is a registered member of the Royal Foundation for the Blind (ie he has, at the very best, very limited vision). This guy still has his drivers licence and drives around. Go figure........it gives me the screaming shits.

k14

27th November 2003, 06:38

And why does that not surprise me :argh:

Lou Girardin

27th November 2003, 07:04

Under the new 'road safety' regime it's a case of - speeding bad, everything else OK.
Lou

What?

27th November 2003, 08:24

Interesting that in Japan "I didn't see you" is a rare admission. Seems Japanese drivers are not too keen on admitting any deficiency in their personal abilities.

What?

27th November 2003, 08:31

There is a point to that last post, and when I figure out what it is, I will, ummm, forget it again.:o

jrandom

27th November 2003, 08:33

Originally posted by What?
Interesting that in Japan "I didn't see you" is a rare admission. Seems Japanese drivers are not too keen on admitting any deficiency in their personal abilities.

No?

What do they do after an accident, quickly commit seppuku before the other driver has time to walk over and tap on their window?

Or do they just get out, walk away in opposite directions and then get their secretaries to arrange towage for the cars so that they don't have to lose face?

Japanese insurance claim forms must be interesting.

What?

28th November 2003, 06:41

Very interesting!!!

But seriously, it is something to do with the psychology of Japanese society, they prefer to admit "I didn't look" as opposed to "I didn't see you". Somehow admitting negligence is more acceptable than admitting weakness (e.g.poor eye sight).

And I still can't remember the point of my post.:whocares:

Jackrat

28th November 2003, 11:10

:argh: Bugger,Had to reply to this one.
In Japan,,I didn,t see him,her,you,is considered an admission of careless driving.An admission of careless driving in Japan carrys jail time in what is called traffic jail.There is no set sentence,you get out when the powers that be consider you have learnt your lesson.Traffic jail in Japan makes any form of jail time in NZ look like a holiday.So you can forget all the crap about mind set ect,ect.Over there if you muck up you pay.
BTW it,s not always the car drivers fault,a few years ago I damn near ran over a guy on a bike when he tryed passing me as I turned right to go in my drive way,HE didn,t see my indicator,another time I had a guy on a trail bike run up the ass of my car at a stop sign,I still think that one was funny as hell because I could see it was going to happen and said as much to my mate who was with me a couple of seconds before he hit.
Guess some people just shouldn,t get on a bike in the first place.

Motu

28th November 2003, 11:21

Devils advocate here,my job in life.

I've been one of those ''I didn't see you'' drivers a few times - shit,there's just so much to take in sometimes...well,it just doesn't go in eh.Never taken out a bike,or even another car,but it sure is a wake up call.

Can't wait to get my Pajero going....bump,bump - whathefuckwasthat?....oh,just another bike.

Jackrat

28th November 2003, 12:21

I think you foget Motu,most of the guys on this site are perfect an never make mistakes.Ummmm well it wasn,t my fault,I was only lane spliting at speed,I was only doing twice the speed limit,and I should be able to because I own a fast bike,Ect,ect,ect,

Motu

28th November 2003, 17:38

That's why I don't ride a sports bike or ride with others - I'd be a lion amongst christians....an animal playing with Gods chosen few.

Timber020

29th November 2003, 12:55

If you use that excuse in germany its an instant careless driving charge as you were not paying proper attention. BRING IT HERE!

scumdog

29th November 2003, 16:04

How come EVERYBODY sees the cop car? I bet nobody pulls out on front of a cop car and says "sorry, didn't see you":D
I've even seen people trying to give way to a cop car even though they have the right of way - go figue???????

Motu

29th November 2003, 17:35

Um,sorry....I do that one a lot too.

Maybe I shouldn't be in charge of a motor vehicle.

Big Dog

30th November 2003, 13:35

Piss off! I know my road code, I only give way unneccessarily when I know my reg or wof are expired. At least if their behind me I know where theyt are.

However everything changes when their lights come on having nearly been punted from behind on the motorway several times including once where the passenger door hit my braking foot!

People giving way out of turn cause as many accidents as people not giving way (that I have seen any way).

Having said all that "Many a man has given his life to defend his right of way!" (Can't remember which nz actor in 80's road safety campain).

SILVER SUZI

1st December 2003, 11:53

Interesting what you say about the Titanic on castors. When I first moved up to Auckland I was driving a truck! Red as it happens and plenty of people pulled out on me. Go figure. 10ft high, 8ft wide, 40 odd ft long with a container on the back.
Now lets go one step futher. As a voluinteer firefighter I drove a big red truck with lights and sirens. Most people do see you... and stop. Even when you are right behind them! They panic and stand on the brakes. Fortunatly you don't have to drive a fire appliance for long before you start to expect the unexpected:angry2:

marty

1st December 2003, 13:56

Originally posted by Jackrat
I think you foget Motu,most of the guys on this site are perfect an never make mistakes.Ummmm well it wasn,t my fault,I was only lane spliting at speed,I was only doing twice the speed limit,and I should be able to because I own a fast bike,Ect,ect,ect,

i was only going 11/10ths when i fell off - what the fuck happened?

750Y

1st December 2003, 15:20

well first time in a long time, I had someone try squeeze me out of the lane by overtaking me as i rode along the motorway. I had moved into the left side of the fast lane to avoid the blind spot of the car caught behind a truck up ahead. funny i was on the 4hundy which is fairly small, no-one ever did that when i was on the 7. I wasn't expecting it. oh well i'm not complaining about it as it was totally legal for her to do so just kinda funny really, size counts alright. lol

madandy

1st December 2003, 17:33

A couple of months ago, on my old, mighty AX100! I nearly copped it in a round-a-bout.An aging dude in a spanking new black Malloo ute drove 'round in front of me, changed lanes as I tried to overtake him.was so close I kicked a mighty great dent in that shiny beast with my steelcap!stuff him and his ignorance...he sure saw me when he heard the thump as his rear left panel folded:Oops:

Jackrat

1st December 2003, 18:49

I got,a admit it struck me as being a bit odd that if I was riding my
TS125 Suzuki I had people totaly ignore me,Yet when I was on my 750 Bonnie with high bars an a bloody great chain an padlock
draped over my shoulder an across my chest most folks spotted me first look.And then again I was driving my pilot ute with a 1x2 meter sign and two flashing orange lights when a woman snuck past me and under the truck I was escorting,She reckoned she didn,t see me or the bloody truck,Thats an eighteen wheeler with a combine harvester on the back.Work that out.
:gob:

SPman

1st December 2003, 22:26

If you want to get down the motorway at speed, sit in behind a gang of Harleys! - its like the parting of the Red Sea! Cars fall over themselves trying to get out of the way...:D

 

What?

2nd December 2003, 06:08

Originally posted by Jackrat
:argh: Bugger,Had to reply to this one.

Welcome back, Jack. Nice to know that at least some of the crap I write serves some sort of purpose!!!

BTW Scumdog, not quite "everyone" sees cop cars. I know of a couple of incidents... Scary, man. VERY scary:eek:

Big Dog

3rd December 2003, 13:53

I'm either fairly lucky or fairly visible.

I tend to think it's,
10% Defensive driving,
25% Big bike,
25% Big Dude,
40% Luck.

madandy

3rd December 2003, 19:19

Yeah, having a big (ger) bike has deffinately helped me get seen at intersections and everywhere else...the RF might not be a real 'big bike' but it's a good size for a 400...people sure respect it alot more than the ax100 I was on up 'till a fortnight ago!

I think brightly coloured bikes/helmet/clothing help, too...and riding with your headlight on...I can't believe some guys ride without their light on!

Big Dog

4th December 2003, 17:18

HMM the point to my earlier post is that there is so little we can actually do about avoiding trouble we should do them well.

BigB

10th December 2003, 06:20

We are know tin top drivers are brainless put last night I came up against a classic.

Going home just after 4pm on the motorway just by the Kyberpass on ramp in fast lane heading south doing 10 kph.

I always leave a bit of a gap between me and the car in front, I come to a stop and what happens, the guy behind whos been about a foot of my back tyre for the last 100m runs into the back of me:angry2: :angry2: :angry2:

He didn't knock me down but hard enough to shunt me forward. So I turn and nicely tell him what I think of his driving (abuse the shit out of him), and he's already yelling at me to get out of the way and get a f##king move on!!!!!! f##king wanker.

So I did move on at 5kph and when he got pissed of and moved to the inside lane and came up beside me I really let ripe. Then took off leaving hin sitting there looking a right dick as about 20 cars went passed. (I would have kicked his door in put there was a cop about 10 cars back and I know who would have come out worse off)

:done: :done:

STfella

10th December 2003, 07:39

Yes, everyone sees a cop, and therein lay the key. They paint the things to be seen. The cop bikers wear conspicuous dayglow jackets. Perhaps we can take a tip from that.

I wear a dayglow jacket, oh yes I do ride an ST. So I guess, at a quite take, I could look like a cop. It all helps me get seen. I know I am more visible than just in black leathers.

I've just posted something about Modulated Headlights today. These are extreemly useful in getting you seen, I just don't know if they are legal in NZ. And, perhaps to the blind tin top driver, they may make you look more like a cop, therefore you get seen.

ManDownUnder

10th December 2003, 08:14

I am often amased at how many things I am looking at as I go down the road... simply because they represent a physical threat to me on my bike.

Coming up to a pedestrian crossing, you're looking for people stepping out, people on the crossing, cars slowing, turning etc etc etc...

If everyione had to spend a couple of years in the saddle I think it'd be a better place - simply because everyone would have been shared shitless a few times, maybe been in one or two dings (where there is some pain - not just a loud "crunch") and guess what - they'd wise up a little.

Problem is I think that heightened awareness would wear off after another year or two... maybe we should make it compulsory to ride a bike!

 

ManDownUnder

10th December 2003, 08:16

Originally posted by scumdog
How come EVERYBODY sees the cop car? I bet nobody pulls out on front of a cop car and says "sorry, didn't see you":D
I've even seen people trying to give way to a cop car even though they have the right of way - go figue???????

Bloody good point!

If it represents a threat - it tends to get noticed. I say we all install a 20,000 Volt thingy on our bikes - someone touches it and they get a belt they don't forget

MDU

(Damn I enjoy raving in here - cheers... great way to start a Wednesday)

Jackrat

10th December 2003, 08:47

STfella,What you say is probably not far off,but from expereince,during court impossed defencive driving classes I have spoken to litrally dozens of car drivers that have admited to having seen bikes,but just carryed on because they did not think of them as being a danger,Belive me them fuckers didn,t pass first
time.The story that BigB has past on to us is some thing that I don,t put up with an never have.Three times I have followed pricks like that and made them either tow the line or shut the fuck up. When I get real pissed I don,t waste words and it becomes pretty obvious very fast,I have Taken a guys keys an
pissed off with them,That slowed him down.At the very lest in these situations I feel you should follow them until a set of lights catch em,Then come in from the back an do a tail light on them.
Fuck It,Kill em, all, let god sort em, out

STfella

10th December 2003, 14:33

Our biggest problem is that there are not enough bikers out there. So the average cage driver does not know how to co-exist with with bikes. The law, and its interpretation, does not encourage people to use two wheels, so they've never had the need or inclination to try them, to know what it is like on two wheels.

So, one answer is to go forth and multiply, make lots of little motorcyclist.

On the other hand, part of the enjoyment I get from biking is the challenge. It's me against them... how can I outwit them... I know they are going to do the unpredictable, so I've got to second-guess them. Treat them like Orks, except you can't chop their heads off.

ManDownUnder

10th December 2003, 15:02

Originally posted by STfella
So, one answer is to go forth and multiply, make lots of little motorcyclist.

Is this something we should raise in in the Chicks on Bikes forum?

:banana:

MDU

Big Dog

10th December 2003, 15:13

I've already filled my quota three out of four already want to ride.:beer: :2thumbsup

Big Dog

10th December 2003, 15:17

I don't know about the rest of you but I haven't had any :gob: moments caused by others in 2 or three months:o

Perhaps these other drivers are getting better at not hitting me or maybe I'm getting better at predicting them in time to avoid them.:)

MacD

10th December 2003, 16:25

Originally posted by Big Dog
I don't know about the rest of you but I haven't had any :gob: moments caused by others in 2 or three months:o

I wish I'd had your luck/good fortune. I've had two incidents of cages failing to give way at STOP signs in the past week. Both times the driver simply failed to stop or even look it seemed.

Of course they saw me once they'd pulled out and did the "it's going to hurt him more than me" calculation and just decided to keep going.

Where's my vaporising raygun when I need it!?

:angry2:

Jackrat

10th December 2003, 17:16

I find these things tend to come in cycles,Nothing will happen for ages then it,s all on for a while,Then,,,,,,,,,,
Maybe it,s the moon or something. :rolleyes:

Big Dog

10th December 2003, 17:28

Originally posted by Jackrat
I find these things tend to come in cycles,Nothing will happen for ages then it,s all on for a while,Then,,,,,,,,,,
Maybe it,s the moon or something. :rolleyes:

Or maybe we get lazy out of complacency after a while and it comes back to bite us on the arse.

Coldkiwi

10th December 2003, 17:34

Jackrat

10th December 2003, 17:56

Originally posted by Coldkiwi
thats all very interesting guys, but what I REALLY need to know is how to kick in someones door while moving without falling off!

can  it be done or do you need to have the other boot on the deck? I'm paranoid about going shiny side down in an attempt to vent rage because then i'd be even madder (and have only myself to blame)

Can you say TANK SLAPPER,wait til they stop dude!

Nouseforaname

10th December 2003, 17:57

Hey ColdKiwi, ive pondered that question many a time..... the only thing i can think of is making sure you have some nice hard soled boots on and just kick out one of their side windows:D

failing that.... wait till they've come to a standstill, reach in and take their keys ( providing their window is down ) and then drive off leaving them sitting in the middle of the road with no way to start their car.

Timber020

10th December 2003, 19:47

What kind of idea is that? Kick out there side windows? Im shocked, you should know by now that that would be highly differcult and highly dangerous. Go for the rearvision mirrors, just put your boot out and pass down the side of them doing an extra few Kmph (dont aim to close to the car as you might hit the more solid stalk)
Mirrors are more expensive and on the Newer Mercs they double as indicators!
Happy happy hunting!

Oh I wonder how we would do if we dressed up our bikes like cop bikes? Hows that for an idea????And wore the same colours!

Jackrat

10th December 2003, 20:27

All this talk of revenge is quite interesting,BUT as much as I am into paybacks in a big way myself,I think you should take into account the possible repercusions if you get it wrong.
If I make a mistake myself I will always admit it and at lest say sorry,Hey anybody can mess up.If my car,4x4,or anything I was driving is ever attacked for ANY reason,I can promise you I will hit back.I know of more than one biker that has had the crap kicked out of him for this type of thing.Never forget you have a number plate that can be tracked in about one hour,by anybody.I personaly don,t have my bike rego,ed in my name or at my address for this and other reasons.Keep it in mind that somebody out for revenge may be happy to just take it out on another member of your family.You never know who you have pissed off.
Due to my past work I have seen some real nasty shit happen
due to small beginings.Just be carefull how you go about these things.

Nouseforaname

10th December 2003, 20:48

All i can say is everyone here ( i hope ) is just talking a lil shit about revenge.... riding a bike you get enuff shit as it is from people and their perceptions, last thing we need is a whole bunch of crazed bikers who must be in gangs, selling P to kids and mugging old ladies kicking in cars and ripping off their side mirrors :D

Hahaha could you imagine sitting in ya car as some clown filters down the lane with his foot out taking off every side mirror. I'd be pretty pissed if it was my car but in saying that, it would be kinda funny to see:o

Timber020

10th December 2003, 20:53

Yeah thats a good point Jack.

I have taken the odd rear view mirror myself but only if the person has deliberately nearly caused me injury or worse and when I had an untracable plate on my bike which is pretty much always (hence clean getaway).
Its road rage and its wrong but it beats doing something uglier to them in person. Cagers are like childeren, if you dont punish them and reward them at appropiate times, how will they ever learn?
I have also followed drivers home and asked them what I could do to be more visable, they have crapped to see me pull into there driveway but im always civil, mild mannered and quiet in that situation.

Coldkiwi

11th December 2003, 07:25

good points about the revenge.. i'm probably not psycho enough to actually do it. Nicking their KEYS however I could certainly enjoy!! Just remember their number plate and post them back the next day with a polite note apologising for taking off with them without realising!

scumdog

11th December 2003, 11:24

ManDownUnder has mentioned a point that I have often thought of myself - make EVERYBODY start their driving by going through the motorbike licence stages and riding BEFORE they are elligible for a car licence, it will never happen because those that make the rules are soft-cocks that wouldn't like riding in the rain - plus some of them would be totally incompetent on a bike and probably kill themselves!! (look at the bright side - the idiots would kill themselves off and after a few generations the whole population would be more intelligent!!):rockon:

ManDownUnder

17th December 2003, 07:21

Speaking of kicking cars...

Do you guys and gals recall the ad when Mistubishi first introduced the GTO to NZ? In the Ad there was a GTO winding its way along some flat bit of open road,, him driving, her sitting in the seat beside him, then they do a bit of coastal driving etc etc etc...

It took them a lot longer to shoot that ad than they expected due to a little incident they had.

The poser driving the thing decided he'd take some guy on a road bike on, the guy on the bike took exception to it and kicked the car door(why/where/when... I don't know all the details).

Mitsi had to fly in a new door from Japan and have it fitted before they could complete the shoot... no parts here in NZ... it was the first one in the country.

OOPS
MDU

marty

17th December 2003, 08:03

Oh I wonder how we would do if we dressed up our bikes like cop bikes? Hows that for an idea????And wore the same colours!

sounds like a great idea. we could all wear black leathers, ride non-japanese bikes and have really loud exhausts. i'm not sure the idea would catch on though

Hitcher

5th November 2006, 16:45

There should be capital punishment meted out to those who exhume old threads.

Mr. Peanut

5th November 2006, 18:05

There should be capital punishment meted out to those who exhume old threads.

That's a tad hypocritical... :mellow:

Forest

5th November 2006, 18:37

thats all very interesting guys, but what I REALLY need to know is how to kick in someones door while moving without falling off!

can  it be done or do you need to have the other boot on the deck? I'm paranoid about going shiny side down in an attempt to vent rage because then i'd be even madder (and have only myself to blame)

I hammered a row of sharpened studs along the outside edge of the soles on my riding boots. They would ruin the paint on anything they touched.

Thankfully I have never had to use them. But I would not hesitate if someone threatened my life on the road.

Big Dog

5th November 2006, 19:13

I hammered a row of sharpened studs along the outside edge of the soles on my riding boots. They would ruin the paint on anything they touched.

Thankfully I have never had to use them. But I would not hesitate if someone threatened my life on the road.

Yeah that makes sense.
A row of sharpened studs will suddenly level the playing field between a 250 kg machine and 2 tonne machine.

The only thing you can really do is accept responsibility accept the reality that all cagers are out to kill you and the only way to win is to get there in one piece.
Sharpened studs on your boots just lowers you on the social scale to a thug, and increases the probability that that driver will attempt homocide on another biker or even you.

Speaking as a reformed road rager nothing good ever comes of it.

sunhuntin

5th November 2006, 19:52

Forest

7th November 2006, 15:23

Yeah that makes sense.
A row of sharpened studs will suddenly level the playing field between a 250 kg machine and 2 tonne machine.

The only thing you can really do is accept responsibility accept the reality that all cagers are out to kill you and the only way to win is to get there in one piece.
Sharpened studs on your boots just lowers you on the social scale to a thug, and increases the probability that that driver will attempt homocide on another biker or even you.

Speaking as a reformed road rager nothing good ever comes of it.

I've given it some thought and decided you're right.

The satisfaction of being able to ride again tomorrow will always be worth far more than the satisfaction (and risk) that I'd get from taking on a moving car.

I removed the studs from my boots last night.

Big Dog

7th November 2006, 17:51

I've given it some thought and decided you're right.

The satisfaction of being able to ride again tomorrow will always be worth far more than the satisfaction (and risk) that I'd get from taking on a moving car.

I removed the studs from my boots last night.
Hard to tell with just two lines of text and no expressions, please ignore whichever comment is not relevant.

Assuming you are being serious, good for you, always good to hear the probability that another biker will live to see another ride.

If your taking the piss Darwinian selection will answer for me, just please don't anyone encourage to road rage.

DogBreath

7th November 2006, 23:07

Forest

8th November 2006, 16:10

Hard to tell with just two lines of text and no expressions, please ignore whichever comment is not relevant.

Assuming you are being serious, good for you, always good to hear the probability that another biker will live to see another ride.

If your taking the piss Darwinian selection will answer for me, just please don't anyone encourage to road rage.

For the record, I wasn't being sarcastic. :no: