400cc sport/road bike

[Gibbo89]

I've been having a wee look on the internet lately at 400cc sport/road bikes.

I've come up with a few questions, if you compare a 250 inline four and a 400 inline four where would you notice the difference?

apparently hp-wise they are reasonably similar i.e a cbr 250 is 45hp and a 400 super 4 is 50hp. so 10hp difference ish depending on the inline four you are on, but it is 150cc more? i assumed there would be a bit more power in them.

basically is a 400cc bike a good upgrade that is noticeably more powerful than a 250 or is the 600/650 the way to go? (i am thinking of power in terms of ability to overtake cars on the motorway with ease) i.e flick down a gear and pass a car that is going 100km/h

[rachprice]

http://www.motorbikes.be/en/compare/952/631/ 400 has 59HP

I have never owned a 250 4 stroke.....but I like my little 400.....I guess Im such a pansy on the road because I take all my fury out on the track! So I dont really have a lot of detailed advice

A 650 twin wont much faster than a 400 (they are in the same class in racing - F3)

[SMOKEU]

From what I've read most of the 400cc straight 4s have around 60bhp.

They seem to be a bit cheaper than the equivalent 250 because they're an odd size, too big to be legally ridden on a 6L or 6R, and most people want at least a 600 when they get their 6F.

[Gibbo89]

http://www.motorbikes.be/en/compare/952/631/ 400 has 59HP

I have never owned a 250 4 stroke.....but I like my little 400.....I guess Im such a pansy on the road because I take all my fury out on the track! So I dont really have a lot of detailed advice

A 650 twin wont much faster than a 400 (they are in the same class in racing - F3)

ahh ok, guess i was looking at naked 400 at the time, not the faired version

[Gibbo89]

From what I've read most of the 400cc straight 4s have around 60bhp.

They seem to be a bit cheaper than the equivalent 250 because they're an odd size, too big to be legally ridden on a 6L or 6R, and most people want at least a 600 when they get their 6F.

yeah, i'd like to own a 400 and slap some 250 stickers on it... :innocent:

[scracha]

I've come up with a few questions, if you compare a 250 inline four and a 400 inline four where would you notice the difference?

The 400's feel about twice as torquey. 250 will maybe make 45bhp at erm...15000rpm whereas the 400 will be making that at say 7000rpm. 650 twin or cheap 600 hornet/fazer miles more powerful and much more modern though.

[neels]

yeah, i'd like to own a 400 and slap some 250 stickers on it... :innocent:
I'm sure that was done with 80's GSX's by people on their 6L :innocent:

[Gibbo89]

I'm sure that was done with 80's GSX's by people on their 6L :innocent:

haha nice one :niceone:

[Gibbo89]

The 400's feel about twice as torquey. 250 will maybe make 45bhp at erm...15000rpm whereas the 400 will be making that at say 7000rpm. 650 twin or cheap 600 hornet/fazer miles more powerful and much more modern though.

good to know. i kinda like the look of this

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-309472728.htm

but i don't like the price tag :sick:

and i doooo like the look of the hornet 600

[gatch]

Get a vfr400.

Gear driven cams, good sound if you have a nice open pipe, gorgeous looks ala single side swingarm and 18" rear.

Treat it good and you will be rewarded. Hell just like a kinky girl you can treat it bad and it will probably still reward you hahaha.

[st00ji]

good luck finding a 250 thats actually still making 45hp, if it ever did.

400s will piss all over 250s for power delivery all over the rev range in my experience, have ridden a couple and been blitzed by a couple

hard to find tidy ones these days though that arent going for 600 prices

[Gibbo89]

good luck finding a 250 thats actually still making 45hp, if it ever did.

400s will piss all over 250s for power delivery all over the rev range in my experience, have ridden a couple and been blitzed by a couple

hard to find tidy ones these days though that arent going for 600 prices

some of the 400's arent too ba price wise, but yeah for not alot more you get into the 650 range

[avgas]

I loves the 400's.
I do.

I haves 2.
Does someone want one? They will go cheap I imagine - as 1 is ugly, and the other is slow.

[tigertim20]

I've been having a wee look on the internet lately at 400cc sport/road bikes.

I've come up with a few questions, if you compare a 250 inline four and a 400 inline four where would you notice the difference?

apparently hp-wise they are reasonably similar i.e a cbr 250 is 45hp and a 400 super 4 is 50hp. so 10hp difference ish depending on the inline four you are on, but it is 150cc more? i assumed there would be a bit more power in them.

basically is a 400cc bike a good upgrade that is noticeably more powerful than a 250 or is the 600/650 the way to go? (i am thinking of power in terms of ability to overtake cars on the motorway with ease) i.e flick down a gear and pass a car that is going 100km/h

Gday. first of all, as i think smoke said, the 400 are nearer to 60hp. yes, you will notice a significant increase in power throughout the rpm range.
The big thing is that as someone said legally you need your full to ride them, and most people prefer to go to a 600. The 400's can be quite alot of fun, however a couple small issues, is that they are a small market segment, getting parts can be a tad challenging sometimes. You will also find that, when doing 100km/hr, they need a couple gears down and opened up, to pass comfortably, but depending on your riding style, this may not be an issue.

I would also recomment looking at a vfr400 if you can find a tidy one, the v4 engine on them really are totally fucking different, and sound like sex!

let us know what you decide on, but I recomment that you go ride several first.

[Gibbo89]

Gday. first of all, as i think smoke said, the 400 are nearer to 60hp. yes, you will notice a significant increase in power throughout the rpm range.
The big thing is that as someone said legally you need your full to ride them, and most people prefer to go to a 600. The 400's can be quite alot of fun, however a couple small issues, is that they are a small market segment, getting parts can be a tad challenging sometimes. You will also find that, when doing 100km/hr, they need a couple gears down and opened up, to pass comfortably, but depending on your riding style, this may not be an issue.

I would also recomment looking at a vfr400 if you can find a tidy one, the v4 engine on them really are totally fucking different, and sound like sex!

let us know what you decide on, but I recomment that you go ride several first.

cheers for the comments, i am just asking questions as more of a curious point of view than an interested one right now as i am still on my learners and some of them took my fancy (as a lot of bikes do... :yes:)

and yeah i youtubed a few vfr400 vids, they do have a pretty unique sound :whistle:

seeing as they are slightly cheaper then the 600/650 range (which most go to), just a bit to think about one day when it is time to upgrade and wondered if you would get sick of a 400 after a while

[tigertim20]

cheers for the comments, i am just asking questions as more of a curious point of view than an interested one right now as i am still on my learners and some of them took my fancy (as a lot of bikes do... :yes:)

and yeah i youtubed a few vfr400 vids, they do have a pretty unique sound :whistle:

seeing as they are slightly cheaper then the 600/650 range (which most go to), just a bit to think about one day when it is time to upgrade and wondered if you would get sick of a 400 after a while

in short, yes you will. I have an R1 now but last bike was a 91 cbr600. while i had the 600, i bought a vfr400 as a toy. it was alot of fun, and sounded great, and fuck me was that thing the shit in corners man!, however i very quickly tired of it, in favour of the 600.
for me its like this. get 250. ride, get ful licence, then either
buy 400, get used to it in a month or two, thrash it a couple months more, then get bored, or
buy a 600, have enough to play and have fun, but more power than you can use for a longer time.

I guess what I mean is that a 600 gives you more 'growing room'. I know there are people out there that love the 400s, but to be honest, Id suggest just getting a 600. or a 2 stroke 250 with a gp engine . . . hehehe

[Gibbo89]

in short, yes you will. I have an R1 now but last bike was a 91 cbr600. while i had the 600, i bought a vfr400 as a toy. it was alot of fun, and sounded great, and fuck me was that thing the shit in corners man!, however i very quickly tired of it, in favour of the 600.
for me its like this. get 250. ride, get ful licence, then either
buy 400, get used to it in a month or two, thrash it a couple months more, then get bored, or
buy a 600, have enough to play and have fun, but more power than you can use for a longer time.

I guess what I mean is that a 600 gives you more 'growing room'. I know there are people out there that love the 400s, but to be honest, Id suggest just getting a 600. or a 2 stroke 250 with a gp engine . . . hehehe

yeah good call, what did you have before the 91 cbr?

[kiwi cowboy]

ahh ok, guess i was looking at naked 400 at the time, not the faired version

If your looking for a 250 personaly [some will disagree] i would look at the v twins.
I remeber mid 80s i had a gsx400 impulse and my brother hat a vt250.
He could pull out to pass on open road in top gear with good pickup but for me to keep up i would have to klik down to gears [corse then i could piss all over him but i road his once and on a certain piece of road with a corner with a climb on my gsx400 i would hit it in 4th to keep it boiling but was amazed at the torque when i hit that corner in top on the vt it just pulled away.
I guess its torque verses horsepower as the impulse was hopless below 7 grand.
My 2 cents

[Jonno.]

Couldn't disagree more. 400's are great; you can have heaps of fun without going 180km/h everywhere. NC30's look awesome and have a pretty big following (400greybike). Also parts are readily available (I can call up econohonda and ask for most things and they have it in stock). Also David Silver spares in the UK are pretty cheap.

If you like riding 180+ then sure a 600 is probably a better idea. However around the speed limit there's not a much in it IMO.

[piston broke]

man,my poor old 600 duck only has 53 horse

[Gibbo89]

If your looking for a 250 personaly [some will disagree] i would look at the v twins.
I remeber mid 80s i had a gsx400 impulse and my brother hat a vt250.
He could pull out to pass on open road in top gear with good pickup but for me to keep up i would have to klik down to gears [corse then i could piss all over him but i road his once and on a certain piece of road with a corner with a climb on my gsx400 i would hit it in 4th to keep it boiling but was amazed at the torque when i hit that corner in top on the vt it just pulled away.
I guess its torque verses horsepower as the impulse was hopless below 7 grand.
My 2 cents

i have an inline 4 250 at the moment, i drop it into 5th to pass cars. it goes pretty well, i would like a wee screen put on the headlight though. the force feels like i'll take off if i took my hands off the handle bars when i'm on the open road.

[piston broke]

btw.
i wouldn't swap my 53hp for a 106hp rice burner

[PirateJafa]

At one point, I had three and a half VFR400Rs in my garage.

Sold it for a >130hp IL4 supersports toy, which got sold six months later to go back to a 400.

The NC30 is the bike of the connoisseur.

[Gibbo89]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-302236019.htm

i do like the look of that bike

[Morcs]

and NC35 is better than the NC30.

NC35 is the only bike that ive owned two of. they are simply sublime.
No other 400 compares for quality, looks and spec.

[PirateJafa]

and NC35 is better than the NC30.

NC35 is the only bike that ive owned two of. they are simply sublime.
No other 400 compares for quality, looks and spec.

The NC35 is over-rated, given it's ugly fairings and lack of power.

The marginal improvement in flickability is just that - marginal.

But still, better than a six-hundy.

[tigertim20]

yeah good call, what did you have before the 91 cbr?
before the CBR, was an FZR250, and before that was a Yamha XZ400, despite it being heavier than rosie Odonnel, and handling like a piece of shit, and being unreliable, it was one of the coolest bikes ive ever owned, and lots more before that. ive gone sorta up and down alot! Also had a TZR with the CBR (sold tzr, got vfr)

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-302236019.htm

i do like the look of that bike
that is a gorgeous example. very nice

Couldn't disagree more. 400's are great; you can have heaps of fun without going 180km/h everywhere. NC30's look awesome and have a pretty big following (400greybike). Also parts are readily available (I can call up econohonda and ask for most things and they have it in stock). Also David Silver spares in the UK are pretty cheap.

If you like riding 180+ then sure a 600 is probably a better idea. However around the speed limit there's not a much in it IMO.

I never said anything about riding at 180 evrywhere, hell cbr250s will do 180. It depends on the type of riding you do. I often do 1500km+ trips, or go 7-800km non stop, apart from a piss and fuel up, so I personally appreciate having the ability to simply open the throttle and pass 2-3 cars on long straights. On the 400, in the same scenario, it was just more work. I did say, and will say again though, that the vfr was the best bike Ive owned for corners, better than the TZR. absolutely awesome bike in the really tight stuff.

Its diffferent horses for different courses, I prefer having something I can do everything on. For me, a 600+ is the best all rounder. I did 700km non stop the other weekend on the R1 (done same trip many times on the cbr) and wasnt even a tiny bit sore. next day, no tiredness or soreness. none at all. No fucking way would I feel that way after the same trip on a 400! I also find 600s have enough grunt to lope around town on with no hassle. also 400s will suffer big time when you wanna put someone on the back, or take a heavy load to a rally, but again, not everyone wants to go to rallies, or carry people on the back. fuck my mrs would kill me if i told her she wasnt allowed on back!!

[Smifffy]

The thought has often occurred to me of getting an FZR 400 for not much bux and ummmmmmmm doing things to it

[tigertim20]

The thought has often occurred to me of getting an FZR 400 for not much bux and ummmmmmmm doing things to it

elaborate?...

[Smifffy]

elaborate?...

either adjusting the styling reminiscent of one who goes from latte joint to latte joint against the jukebox, or something out of an anime/manga nightmare...

[Gibbo89]

elaborate?...

i think he wants to put his you know what in the you know where :wacko:

[Smifffy]

i think he wants to put his you know what in the you know where :wacko:

Oh yeah! None of those big fat after-market jobs either! I want nice tight and factory fresh.

[HenryDorsetCase]

good to know. i kinda like the look of this

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-309472728.htm

but i don't like the price tag :sick:

and i doooo like the look of the hornet 600

its got Ohlins shocks.... oooh errr.

But yeah, the pick of the 400's is the VFR400 NC30 or the RVF400 NC35. Bring money for a good one. Bring a lot less money for my one in bits. rego on hold though.

[HenryDorsetCase]

in short, yes you will. I have an R1 now but last bike was a 91 cbr600. while i had the 600, i bought a vfr400 as a toy. it was alot of fun, and sounded great, and fuck me was that thing the shit in corners man!, however i very quickly tired of it, in favour of the 600.
for me its like this. get 250. ride, get ful licence, then either
buy 400, get used to it in a month or two, thrash it a couple months more, then get bored, or
buy a 600, have enough to play and have fun, but more power than you can use for a longer time.

I guess what I mean is that a 600 gives you more 'growing room'. I know there are people out there that love the 400s, but to be honest, Id suggest just getting a 600. or a 2 stroke 250 with a gp engine . . . hehehe

but a VFR400 will go 100kph, and so will a CBR600. And thats as fast as anyone goes, right?

[PaddyFZ1]

Ive had both a VFR (NC 21) and a ZXR (H1). Both were great bikes and really taught me a lot aout road craft. The VFR wass a slightly older than the ZXR so not so well equipped, which could be why i was finding the limits of its handling capabilities. The ZXR on the other hand was just amazing. You could thrash it, and due to the handling being alot better than the power availiable, never really reached the extent of its handling capabilities on the road.
As i said earlier these bikes gave me a good grounding in roadcraft, they werent the fastest things out there, but once i really learnt how to ride them well, could keep up with most people on bigger bikes, especially when it came to the corners.
I loved my 400s and would love to get another to have in the shed next to the FZ1

[Urano]

i youtubed a few vfr400 vids, they do have a pretty unique sound :whistle:

seeing as they are slightly cheaper then the 600/650 range (which most go to), just a bit to think about one day when it is time to upgrade and wondered if you would get sick of a 400 after a while

ya, the hissy sound of the gear driven distribution... seems like a turbine... :)


i've got a pretty different view on the 400 class, as i see it as an "upgrade" from a 650-1000 cc.
to me, philosophically, 400-500 is the perfect displacement.
i came down to deal with bikes up to 750cc, but i can't at all understand upper classes, and this later run to 1200 cc as a "middle class" seen on the market really get me a bit upset.

my point is: put things on perspective.
you are on a bike, a thing 70cm large and 2 meters long, with a top speed that from a 250cc going up is easily over 160-170 kmh.
with acceleration that, from 250cc up, is easily less than 5 second from none to 100 kmh.
where you are? on a track 'cos you're a pro rider within the wsbk circus? well, then you prolly need a 1000cc bike with at least 150 hp.
otherwise, if, like me, you are moving between than smoky truck, that '89 vw golf, that toyota corolla with 3 children inside, within a city and its 50 kmh limit and an highway with a 130 kmh, then on your 250 cc you are AT LEAST three time faster than the 90% of all the other stuff you can find on your way.
and anyway a lot more agile.

so think ourselves on a 1000cc monster on such a road condition.
what you get? 12 km per liter maximum, a bike that will try to kill you in every turn should it be a little grain on the tarmac or a little water standing on the road, a bike that have costed you a kidney, and that will cost you all your gold tooth at every service stop, that eats tyres like i eats pistachio nuts, a bike weighting more than 200 kg...
with such a bike you can burn the light in two and a half second to get to 100 kmh, you can reach 150km in first gear.... but... you need it?

with a 400cc you are probably a WHOPPING two second slower than that flaming 1000cc, but you are still way faster than all the rest you have around, you easily can reach 20 km/l, it have costed you a third of the other bike, you can ride it more relaxed and turn the wrist with confidence, you have something weightin about 150 kg that turn in the exact moment you think to turn...

there are people here and in the rest of the world saying: "get a 1000cc or you'll get tired soon of a smaller bike".
i'd got a 650cc, even not so powerful at all. it was appropriate. i sometime found myself thinkin "damn, if i had 20 more hp", but i confess you that much frequently tought "damn, if i had 50 kg less".
i'm not the one you have always to wait at the top of the hill, i'm pretty enthusiastic on the bike, but i have the idea that a lot of people need a lot of hp and a lot of cc not to have fun but to feed their ego...
i would have bought a 3/4, but only because the 400 class is completely empty, here in italy.
if there is a beautiful 400cc, modern, techie, smart... i'd buy it with no doubt...

[del-solider]

When it comes to 400's you cant top the v4's like people have said. Both the vfr and rvf are great bikes. Ive had myn for almost a year and still loving it. Sure there are time s when a 600 sports bike tempts me but then i ride the rvf and fall in love all over again:rockon:

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s306/Smirnof_King/IMG_05671.jpg

[gatch]

One day I would like a bigger bike, maybe a vtec vfr800 or something similar for touring on, you know doing big trips on. Also for taking the missus for rides, the pillion seat on the vif is not so great.. I did 800km in one day on the nc30 and standing at a healthy 6 feet, I was a bit cramped when I got off for gas etc.

Otherwise I love this bike, even with its badly under sprung forks and poos IRC tires, it still feels good on the road. It has plenty enough power to make anything except the longest of straights exciting. You do need to dance on the gearbox a little to keep it in the good power (above 8k or so), but for me that is part of the fun of riding a bike. And it sounds absolutely gorgeous. I have an ally "yamamoto racing" can on it. Louder than stock but not obnoxious, it lets out a healthy burble at low rpm and really perculates when you are giving it some curry.

Once it's paid off I would like to give it a real birthday. Some sticky rubber and some work on the forks would be absolutely marvelous.

If I have it my way, I will never sell it.

[rachprice]

One day I would like a bigger bike, maybe a vtec vfr800 or something similar for touring on, you know doing big trips on. Also for taking the missus for rides, the pillion seat on the vif is not so great.. I did 800km in one day on the nc30 and standing at a healthy 6 feet, I was a bit cramped when I got off for gas etc.

Otherwise I love this bike, even with its badly under sprung forks and poos IRC tires, it still feels good on the road. It has plenty enough power to make anything except the longest of straights exciting. You do need to dance on the gearbox a little to keep it in the good power (above 8k or so), but for me that is part of the fun of riding a bike. And it sounds absolutely gorgeous. I have an ally "yamamoto racing" can on it. Louder than stock but not obnoxious, it lets out a healthy burble at low rpm and really perculates when you are giving it some curry.

Once it's paid off I would like to give it a real birthday. Some sticky rubber and some work on the forks would be absolutely marvelous.

If I have it my way, I will never sell it.

Mine sounds better than yours :P

[Smifffy]

One day I would like a bigger bike, maybe a vtec vfr800 or something similar for touring on, you know doing big trips on. <snip>

Otherwise I love this bike, even with its badly under sprung forks and poos IRC tires, it still feels good on the road. <snip>

Once it's paid off I would like to give it a real birthday. Some sticky rubber and some work on the forks would be absolutely marvelous.

If I have it my way, I will never sell it.

Right on! Keep it if you can, nostalgia is a bitch, I'd wager most of us would still like to own the bikes we rode and loved earlier on. Sometimes life gets in the way.

[gatch]

Mine sounds better than yours :P

You ride yours like a girl.


Right on! Keep it if you can, nostalgia is a bitch, I'd wager most of us would still like to own the bikes we rode and loved earlier on. Sometimes life gets in the way.

Life can fuck off, I want my bikes haha.

[tigertim20]

ya, the hissy sound of the gear driven distribution... seems like a turbine... :)


i've got a pretty different view on the 400 class, as i see it as an "upgrade" from a 650-1000 cc.
to me, philosophically, 400-500 is the perfect displacement.
i came down to deal with bikes up to 750cc, but i can't at all understand upper classes, and this later run to 1200 cc as a "middle class" seen on the market really get me a bit upset.

my point is: put things on perspective.
you are on a bike, a thing 70cm large and 2 meters long, with a top speed that from a 250cc going up is easily over 160-170 kmh.
with acceleration that, from 250cc up, is easily less than 5 second from none to 100 kmh.
where you are? on a track 'cos you're a pro rider within the wsbk circus? well, then you prolly need a 1000cc bike with at least 150 hp.
otherwise, if, like me, you are moving between than smoky truck, that '89 vw golf, that toyota corolla with 3 children inside, within a city and its 50 kmh limit and an highway with a 130 kmh, then on your 250 cc you are AT LEAST three time faster than the 90% of all the other stuff you can find on your way.
and anyway a lot more agile.

so think ourselves on a 1000cc monster on such a road condition.
what you get? 12 km per liter maximum, a bike that will try to kill you in every turn should it be a little grain on the tarmac or a little water standing on the road, a bike that have costed you a kidney, and that will cost you all your gold tooth at every service stop, that eats tyres like i eats pistachio nuts, a bike weighting more than 200 kg...
with such a bike you can burn the light in two and a half second to get to 100 kmh, you can reach 150km in first gear.... but... you need it?

with a 400cc you are probably a WHOPPING two second slower than that flaming 1000cc, but you are still way faster than all the rest you have around, you easily can reach 20 km/l, it have costed you a third of the other bike, you can ride it more relaxed and turn the wrist with confidence, you have something weightin about 150 kg that turn in the exact moment you think to turn...

there are people here and in the rest of the world saying: "get a 1000cc or you'll get tired soon of a smaller bike".
i'd got a 650cc, even not so powerful at all. it was appropriate. i sometime found myself thinkin "damn, if i had 20 more hp", but i confess you that much frequently tought "damn, if i had 50 kg less".
i'm not the one you have always to wait at the top of the hill, i'm pretty enthusiastic on the bike, but i have the idea that a lot of people need a lot of hp and a lot of cc not to have fun but to feed their ego...
i would have bought a 3/4, but only because the 400 class is completely empty, here in italy.
if there is a beautiful 400cc, modern, techie, smart... i'd buy it with no doubt...

you clearly have little or no understanding of thousand cc bikes!!, I average 21km a litre. Ive not had worse than 16.5km a litre and thats when I was raping it. No bike, regardless of power will try to kill you. The only danger is one that belies every bike, and that is a rider, with more balls than skills, having an inability to control the urge to wring the throttle.

as for the whole 'but do you need it' in relation to litre bikes, my response is this.
you don't NEED a blow job, but its still bloody nice to get one innit?

[avgas]

as for the whole 'but do you need it' in relation to litre bikes, my response is this.
you don't NEED a blow job, but its still bloody nice to get one innit?
Yeah but its more fun fucking a 17 year old virgin, than a pornstar :bleh:

As for bikes not trying to kill you. Your clearly riding that R1 wrong. My old FZ1 would attempt it on a monthly basis.
20v DRIFT FTW!

[sosman]

If yr an A to B type rider! then a 600/650cc would be a better option, you over take at 100kph in top gear, you have enough power for two up riding etc.

I would suggest a getting a 4hundy if you were keen on learning how to ride fast!!!
before moving up cause there is a huge power difference between the 4hundy & 6hundys

[scracha]

Yeah but its more fun fucking a 17 year old virgin, than a pornstar :bleh:

Surely the most debatable comment in this thread? :bleh:

[avgas]

Surely the most debatable comment in this thread? :bleh:
I am always keen for a debate.
Even mass-debate

[frogfeaturesFZR]

Loved my FZR 400 for 5-6 years, still do but my
Aprilia RSV now that's my new obsession. The FZR
Will run with the 600's and stay with the 250's in the
Twisties. I find the 400's a lot of fun, just not as 'oh my god' as the RSV.

[rachprice]

You ride yours like a girl.



.

Like a girl that rides it better than you

[rachprice]

Yeah but its more fun fucking a 17 year old virgin, than a pornstar :bleh:



And really??

Most 17 year old virgins will be hurting and not doing much their first time, at least a porn star will know what she is up to and be completely loving it and into it.....

[Smifffy]

And really??

Most 17 year old virgins will be hurting and not doing much their first time,

They complain that it hurts, and start crying and want to stop, leaving a bloke with a guilty conscience and unfinished business.

DAMHIK

[rachprice]

They complain that it hurts, and start crying and want to stop, leaving a bloke with a guilty conscience and unfinished business.

DAMHIK

hmmmm oh dude thats a bit rough

[gatch]

Like a girl that rides it better than you

I'm glad you have a sense of humor man..

When you can ride your viffer, without blowing it up or throwing it on its side on a race track, we'll have ourselves a race..

[rachprice]

I'm glad you have a sense of humor man..

When you can ride your viffer, without blowing it up or throwing it on its side on a race track, we'll have ourselves a race..

Well im not the only one who has crashed my VFR, least mine is going :P

Even though I am a crasher Im still faster than you haha

[jeremysprite]

My current bike is an il4 400 - owned a 650 twin before this, and while I miss the outrageous torque of the twin, up to about 80ks the 400 gives a similar torque-feeling.

It will easily roll past a cager at 110ks in top gear, or if you just want to get out of the way super quick (like when the cager in front of you is clearly drunk), drop it two gears and Bye Bye Toyota...
Claimed 0-100 of 3.5s too...

Test rode a VFR before buying the 650, which had been my dream bike for yonks. But it was just too race-oriented for me, crouched down sorta position. And I don't think I could ride that at a 'normal' pace anywhere, it just wanted me to wring out the engine in each gear...

Bit of a different bike too, haven't seen any others like it

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[avgas]

And really??

Most 17 year old virgins will be hurting and not doing much their first time, at least a porn star will know what she is up to and be completely loving it and into it.....
You would think that. But its more like throwing a large rock down cave.
You know your hitting the sides because of the sounds its makes, but it just seems endless and hollow.

[HenryDorsetCase]

And really??

Most 17 year old virgins will be hurting and not doing much their first time, at least a porn star will know what she is up to and be completely loving it and into it.....

like those guys have ever had either. All I'm sayin....

[avgas]

like those guys have ever had either. All I'm sayin....
I dunno - you sound pretty fucked up, when did you do your first video?

[rachprice]

You would think that. But its more like throwing a large rock down cave.
You know your hitting the sides because of the sounds its makes, but it just seems endless and hollow.

Well actually I have had lengthy discussions with people about this subject

Size of girl/ethnicity does not indicate size of 'passage'
Neither does having children
Or the amount of people you have slept with, I know plenty of people who havent slept with many people but who have heaps of sex (and still arent 'loose'), more than the people who are single and just have heaps of one night stands (i know that is slightly different to porn stars)

So yeah it appears its mostly individual variation, and porn stars probably do lots pelvic floor exercises for extra tightness! :laugh:

[HenryDorsetCase]

Well actually I have had lengthy discussions with people about this subject

Size of girl/ethnicity does not indicate size of 'passage'
Neither does having children
Or the amount of people you have slept with, I know plenty of people who havent slept with many people but who have heaps of sex (and still arent 'loose'), more than the people who are single and just have heaps of one night stands (i know that is slightly different to porn stars)

So yeah it appears its mostly individual variation, and porn stars probably do lots pelvic floor exercises for extra tightness! :laugh:

This is why I sit with the women when going out in a group. They talk about this sort of thing, and the boys are all wanking on about motorbikes or chainsaws.

[HenryDorsetCase]

, and porn stars probably do lots pelvic floor exercises for extra tightness! :laugh:

my untutored opinion might be that "tightness" might be not a good thing if working in p0rn. It might make it harder for the male co-stars to last long enough? and given the size of some of the appendages involved relative looseness might be a virtue.

But all I know about this area I glean from watching Entourage: the present season has a guest star who is in the porn biz Sasha Grey. I googled and she definitely is in the pr0n business. Oh yes.

Now, about my VFR in pieces?

[rachprice]

my untutored opinion might be that "tightness" might be not a good thing if working in p0rn. It might make it harder for the male co-stars to last long enough? and given the size of some of the appendages involved relative looseness might be a virtue.

But all I know about this area I glean from watching Entourage: the present season has a guest star who is in the porn biz Sasha Grey. I googled and she definitely is in the pr0n business. Oh yes.

Now, about my VFR in pieces?

Your VFR in pieces??

True.....didnt think of that haha

[st00ji]

i too would like to hear about this VFR in pieces

[HenryDorsetCase]

I own two VFR400's: one is a track bike (ex F3 race bike) which I am toying with the idea of racing in pre89 down here next year.

the other I bought in pieces to get one part for my other one (an RVF400 17 inch rear wheel). This one has been running but the motor is toast: it has a noise from somewhere deep inside: so thats the bad news. the good news is it has a full VJ22 RGV250 front end on it, so USD forks, bigger brakes etc. limited steering lock but what the hell. Wiring loom is stuffed but it comes with another one. No CDI unit (well a rooted one so may as well say none). Full set of aftermarket bodywork, non dented fuel tank, etc etc. My plan was to do the motor rebuild and put it back on the road, but I have decided I won't have time in the foreseeable future, so I plan to put it on tardme with a cheap reserve. If it doesnt sell I will wreck it out.

Basically I have come to the conclusion i am a tinker-er not a rebuilder: I have a limited amount of time to spend doing this stuff, and between the road bike, and the other VFR, this gets fuck all time spent. The biggest block of time lately was getting the motor back in the frame etc. Oh, and the rego is on hold too.

[tigertim20]

Well actually I have had lengthy discussions with people about this subject

Size of girl/ethnicity does not indicate size of 'passage'
Neither does having children
Or the amount of people you have slept with, I know plenty of people who havent slept with many people but who have heaps of sex (and still arent 'loose'), more than the people who are single and just have heaps of one night stands (i know that is slightly different to porn stars)

So yeah it appears its mostly individual variation, and porn stars probably do lots pelvic floor exercises for extra tightness! :laugh:

you seem to know an awful lot about these pelvic floor exercises!:bleh::niceone:

[rachprice]

I have a crashed one in pieces minus the engine if anyone wants any parts :)

[HenryDorsetCase]

I have a crashed one in pieces minus the engine if anyone wants any parts :)

slot the engine into my one and have a road/track weapon of awesomeness for cheap. or sell me the motor....

[rachprice]

slot the engine into my one and have a road/track weapon of awesomeness for cheap. or sell me the motor....

nah I used the motor!

[avgas]

you seem to know an awful lot about these pelvic floor exercises!:bleh::niceone:


I have a crashed one in pieces minus the engine if anyone wants any parts :)

Anyone need a new tent canvas?

[Jonno.]

Do you have a right foot peg hanger?

[gatch]

Well im not the only one who has crashed my VFR, least mine is going :P

Even though I am a crasher Im still faster than you haha

If you can't make it to the finish line, how can you be faster.. I've never not finished a race hahaha.

Besides, my bike goes. It is just missing a lower fairing and a mirror..

lol

[Chrislost]

I've been having a wee look on the internet lately at 400cc sport/road bikes.

I've come up with a few questions, if you compare a 250 inline four and a 400 inline four where would you notice the difference?

apparently hp-wise they are reasonably similar i.e a cbr 250 is 45hp and a 400 super 4 is 50hp. so 10hp difference ish depending on the inline four you are on, but it is 150cc more? i assumed there would be a bit more power in them.

basically is a 400cc bike a good upgrade that is noticeably more powerful than a 250 or is the 600/650 the way to go? (i am thinking of power in terms of ability to overtake cars on the motorway with ease) i.e flick down a gear and pass a car that is going 100km/h

the 250s make noice, and dont go anywhere. in fact, i would go as far as saying a 250 hurts youtr ears, whereas a 400 sounds plesant!
they kind of stop pulling at 130 and struggle to 180

a 400 will pull to 180, then stop.

(CBR vs CBR) a littttle bit of width, just a smalllll bit, like SFA!

get the 400, chuck 250 stickers on it, and dont get caught by the bike popos

[BMWST?]

I'm sure that was done with 80's GSX's by people on their 6L :innocent:

dont think we had a 250 limit then

[scracha]

Size of girl/ethnicity does not indicate size of 'passage'

You can discuss it with your mates all you like. Unless you've started drinking from the furry cup then you're talking shite. Next you'll be telling me my team-mate's massive knob is nothing to do with the fact he's from Kenya. By gawd I keep a tight grip on the soap.



Neither does having children
Now you're seriously deluded. Once she's popped out a sprog you can last 5 minutes in the sack instead of 5 seconds :niceone:


Blimey, have we've all started mass-debating about this?



Anyhoo, two words - horsey girls

[avgas]

Anyhoo, two words - horsey girls
Pre or post "break in"

bwahahahaha

[avgas]

Do you have a right foot peg hanger?
Yep - but its been down the track a bit and has some gravel rash on it.

If you want it - let me know and I will clean it up a bit. Had a fucken mess in the garage when the sump broke, now everything is covered in oil.

[rachprice]

If you can't make it to the finish line, how can you be faster.. I've never not finished a race hahaha.

Besides, my bike goes. It is just missing a lower fairing and a mirror..

lol

What about when you crashed on dunlop?

I didnt say I was the best racer, just faster....two different things :bleh:

[rachprice]

Do you have a right foot peg hanger?

Me?

I think it was crashed on the right but I can go down and have a look for you :)

[rachprice]

You can discuss it with your mates all you like. Unless you've started drinking from the furry cup then you're talking shite. Next you'll be telling me my team-mate's massive knob is nothing to do with the fact he's from Kenya. By gawd I keep a tight grip on the soap.


Now you're seriously deluded. Once she's popped out a sprog you can last 5 minutes in the sack instead of 5 seconds :niceone:


Blimey, have we've all started mass-debating about this?



Anyhoo, two words - horsey girls

Well I guess.....even if I happened too I personally wouldnt have an amazing idea (being without a Phallus)

I have talked to boys mostly about it

One person who shall remain nameless had two partners, both had children, one was nice other was like cock in a sock
And the one that wasn't like cock in a sock was not from lack of experience!

For sure having children might slightly change the individual state but it does not account for population variation!

Another friend managed to put something quite large up a wee asian girl, something I have known a certain person to be unable to do despite trying several times haha

Guess there is some generl ethnic variance but its not hard and fast

[HenryDorsetCase]

Well I guess.....even if I happened too I personally wouldnt have an amazing idea (being without a Phallus)

I have talked to boys mostly about it

One person who shall remain nameless had two partners, both had children, one was nice other was like cock in a sock
And the one that wasn't like cock in a sock was not from lack of experience!

For sure having children might slightly change the individual state but it does not account for population variation!

Another friend managed to put something quite large up a wee asian girl, something I have known a certain person to be unable to do despite trying several times haha

Guess there is some generl ethnic variance but its not hard and fast

heh heh "hard" and "fast"

[rachprice]

I know hahaha, I wrote that then realised haha

[gatch]

What about when you crashed on dunlop?

I didnt say I was the best racer, just faster....two different things :bleh:

That was in practice. That is different :eek:

[Urano]

you clearly have little or no understanding of thousand cc bikes!!, I average 21km a litre. Ive not had worse than 16.5km a litre and thats when I was raping it.

21 km a litre??? :shit:
i did 20 to 25, with an average of 21-22 with my 650 twin which is truly not so sporty...
i know people with the gixer 750 or the z750 not doing more than 18-20, and most of the people i know with 1000+ cc bikes have an average of 15 km/l, between 13-14 and 16-18 maximum.
all guys i know directly, not "somebody told me that a friend of his colleague...".

but you're right. i have not personal experience with 1000 bikes: never had the need to...



No bike, regardless of power will try to kill you. The only danger is one that belies every bike, and that is a rider, with more balls than skills, having an inability to control the urge to wring the throttle.

OR anybody maybe a little more tired than usual, maybe a little more distracted than usual or on a road a little more dirty than usual...
c'mon...
today's bikes are way easier to ride, but having 140 hp under your ass is definitely not the same than having 80.

if not, why buying it in the first place? ;)





as for the whole 'but do you need it' in relation to litre bikes, my response is this.
you don't NEED a blow job, but its still bloody nice to get one innit?

:laugh: :laugh:
i hear you... :niceone:
but... it seems that riding a 1000 bike is a blowjob and riding a smaller bike is a boring dinner with your wife's parents... :D :D
i'd say that: riding every 125+ bike is a blowjob.
maybe riding a 1000 cc bike is a blowjob while drinkin beer and watching your team winning the match...
i can wait for the beer... :)

[Gibbo89]

After having a wee think about it, it is probably a lot more to do with the fact that a 400 bike will help your biking ability if you stick with one for a while instead of just jumping onto a 600/650 size bike and not being able to ride it so well (coming from a 250).

It also helps with the price difference too if you go from a 250 to a 400 (if you are on a bit of a budget).

But in saying that, the 400 market is not overly popular and looking on TM, some of the 400's which look pretty damn tidy are just sitting there and not moving... :blink:

Definitely something to think about though when it is upgrade time.

Not sure what the faired ones would be like to ride 2 up on, naked i would assume would be more comfortable.

[Harvd]

Not sure what the faired ones would be like to ride 2 up on, naked i would assume would be more comfortable.

My RVF is around about the worst thing i could think of to take a pillion on.
even with my >50kg girlfriend it was just all wrong. Nakeds (the bikes not riders) should be fine.

[PirateJafa]

My RVF is around about the worst thing i could think of to take a pillion on.
even with my >50kg girlfriend it was just all wrong. Nakeds (the bikes not riders) should be fine.

Eat less pies. None of my three VFR400Rs had a problem with a similar weight pillion on the tail.

[Harvd]

Eat less pies. None of my three VFR400Rs had a problem with a similar weight pillion on the tail.

Its not the power. Its that its got a piece of slippery cardboard as a seat and it sit miles above the rider causing them to slide into the rider when braking (ok also pillion inexperience) what im trying to say is its not exactly a pillion friendly ride even when compared to ultra luxurious cross continetal rides like the bandit 250...

[sil3nt]

Im close to getting a 400. Probably a ZXR. They are priced nicely unlike the VFR which is generally 4.5k+. GSXR and FZR are also priced nicely just at the wrong ends of the country!

[LankyBastard]

Just recently got my RVF, a good step up from a ninja 250. Just had the suspension upgraded, and that made a huge improvement. Plenty of power for the road too. Although my mates GSX-R750 is also good fun.....

[Gibbo89]

Just recently got my RVF, a good step up from a ninja 250. Just had the suspension upgraded, and that made a huge improvement. Plenty of power for the road too. Although my mates GSX-R750 is also good fun.....

what's the biggest difference you have noticed so far?

[Gibbo89]

Im close to getting a 400. Probably a ZXR. They are priced nicely unlike the VFR which is generally 4.5k+. GSXR and FZR are also priced nicely just at the wrong ends of the country!

i like the zxr's, some tidy gsxr's as well on TM. but yeah those vfr's are pricey...

[quickbuck]

I had a CBR400 Aero for many years. Even did a two up 2 week tour of the south Island on it. Pack weighed in at 30kg or so.

Did the trip no worries.

Yes, a 400 is a great stepping stone.
Many people who jump to a 600 never really learn how to ride them.

[LankyBastard]

what's the biggest difference you have noticed so far?

I got Robert Taylor at Crown Kiwi to build a custom ohlins rear, and replace the front fork internals with racetech parts. Bike is now much flatter through the corners, feels way more balanced. The old stuff was way to soft and the damping was shot. Honestly it has trandformed the bike. Now quite the back road weapon!

[avgas]

Im close to getting a 400. Probably a ZXR. They are priced nicely unlike the VFR which is generally 4.5k+. GSXR and FZR are also priced nicely just at the wrong ends of the country!
Contrary to me owning an FZR, the ZXR is hands down the best 400.
Especially if you get one with the SP parts on it - Ask Klown he has my old one.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I got Robert Taylor at Crown Kiwi to build a custom ohlins rear, and replace the front fork internals with racetech parts. Bike is now much flatter through the corners, feels way more balanced. The old stuff was way to soft and the damping was shot. Honestly it has trandformed the bike. Now quite the back road weapon!

I agree entirely: I did this on my trackbike and it transformed it. The interesting thing is that more rear ride height means I now have little chicken strips on the back tyre. whereas with the stock shock, it was right off the edge and balling up bigtime. Totally the best money you can spend on a bike, and I have had superb service from CKT every time. And all these bikes are 20 or so years old nearly: no wonder they need a bit of help!

[sil3nt]

Contrary to me owning an FZR, the ZXR is hands down the best 400.
Especially if you get one with the SP parts on it - Ask Klown he has my old one.All the 400s are good in their own way. I dont quite buy into the whole VFR is the best malarkey. Granted i haven't ridden any. From doing a bit of research i have found:

VFR and RVF: Reliable, good midrange, good handling.
ZXR: Reliable, good top end, stiff suspension but good on a track.
FZR: Not quite as reliable (weak clutch), razor sharp handling (apparently the best of the bunch), decent engine.
GSXR: Reliable, good handling and good engine.
CBR: Reliable, good handling and good engine.

So its whatever fits best i guess!

[Gibbo89]

All the 400s are good in their own way. I dont quite buy into the whole VFR is the best malarkey. Granted i haven't ridden any. From doing a bit of research i have found:

VFR and RVF: Reliable, good midrange, good handling.
ZXR: Reliable, good top end, stiff suspension but good on a track.
FZR: Not quite as reliable (weak clutch), razor sharp handling (apparently the best of the bunch), decent engine.
GSXR: Reliable, good handling and good engine.
CBR: Reliable, good handling and good engine.

So its whatever fits best i guess!

good to know, i heard that you want the cbr with the dual headlight though, i assume the single headlight style 1 is a tad older.

and yeah, upgrading the suspension after 15 to 20 years i'm sure would do wonders

[sil3nt]

good to know, i heard that you want the cbr with the dual headlight though, i assume the single headlight style 1 is a tad older.

and yeah, upgrading the suspension after 15 to 20 years i'm sure would do wondersYeah there are two CBRs. NC23 and NC29. Just like the VFR has the NC21 NC24 and NC30 it almost always better to get the latter models.

My above post is only based on reading shit on the internet so i have no idea if any of it is actually true haha.

[rachprice]

All the 400s are good in their own way. I dont quite buy into the whole VFR is the best malarkey. Granted i haven't ridden any. From doing a bit of research i have found:

VFR and RVF: Reliable, good midrange, good handling.
ZXR: Reliable, good top end, stiff suspension but good on a track.
FZR: Not quite as reliable (weak clutch), razor sharp handling (apparently the best of the bunch), decent engine.
GSXR: Reliable, good handling and good engine.
CBR: Reliable, good handling and good engine.

So its whatever fits best i guess!

VFR's sound the sexiest

[Jonno.]

Single sided swing arm :woohoo:

[vtec]

The VFR is a great road bike. Tried racing my one in F3 at Paeroa and got dominated. Think racing it standard fried the regulator, so I had to replace that. And it's got a super high first gear so you can't wheely it and the clutch was on the way out when I bought it. Luckily I picked up a cheap parts bike and stole the clutch out of that. It also has an oil leak right now. So it hasn't been as reliable as my CBR250RR's that I loved so much. But the ride and power delivery is great. Again as people have mentioned the suspension on my nearly 20 year old VFR is a bit soft, but I don't really mind. I have an SV650 with Ohlins shock and revalved resprung front forks to race on. But the VFR could be the ultimate road sports bike for me. Took a pillion on it yesterday, you just have to take it easy. It was her first time as a pillion too but she enjoyed it, apart from her tight jeans hurting in the crouch position.

Can't comment on the other models. But I think it's quite telling that you see mostly VFR400's and CBR250's on the road as remnants of the awesome early nineties that I think says a lot about the reliability of them.

Oh yeah and +1 on the single sided swingarm being gorgeous and it's so easy to turn the bastard.
Here's a vid of my VFR (bog standard) on Hampton Downs. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBp7InB6Tk0)

[ducatilover]

VFR/RVF for me, anytime. VFR has slightly better attention to detail (prettier castings etc)
My CB is a neat 400, not as quick or nice handling, but very....sensible and beige. Comfy and quiet and it's black.

[racefactory]

The VFR is a great road bike. Tried racing my one in F3 at Paeroa and got dominated. Think racing it standard fried the regulator, so I had to replace that. And it's got a super high first gear so you can't wheely it and the clutch was on the way out when I bought it. Luckily I picked up a cheap parts bike and stole the clutch out of that. It also has an oil leak right now. So it hasn't been as reliable as my CBR250RR's that I loved so much. But the ride and power delivery is great. Again as people have mentioned the suspension on my nearly 20 year old VFR is a bit soft, but I don't really mind. I have an SV650 with Ohlins shock and revalved resprung front forks to race on. But the VFR could be the ultimate road sports bike for me. Took a pillion on it yesterday, you just have to take it easy. It was her first time as a pillion too but she enjoyed it, apart from her tight jeans hurting in the crouch position.

Can't comment on the other models. But I think it's quite telling that you see mostly VFR400's and CBR250's on the road as remnants of the awesome early nineties that I think says a lot about the reliability of them.

Oh yeah and +1 on the single sided swingarm being gorgeous and it's so easy to turn the bastard.
Here's a vid of my VFR (bog standard) on Hampton Downs. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cBp7InB6Tk0)

This is really all you need to read- they are awesome bikes.

Vtec where is the oil leak coming from on yours? that water pump oil seal?

[Highlander]

We bought a SV400 after test riding a selection of 400, 600 and 650cc bikes. Including the CB400 and VFR 400. The CB felt gutless compared to the SV and the VFR could have been great fun but the SV fit better and didn't feel to be working anywhere near as hard at 100km/hr.

The SV feels a bigger bike than the 400 it is, and easily out performed a number of the other 400's I rode (judged by feel when I was riding it, the hp / torque / top speed stats might paint a different picture but feel is what gets you when riding).
What sold us on the SV was the size and weight since it is primarily a bike for my wife. She felt most of the 600's were too heavy for her in low speed manouvering or stationary on anything other than flat ground.

I ride it to work probably 3 out of 4 days and don't mind it at all.

[scracha]

VFR and RVF: Reliable, good midrange, good handling. Prick to work on, thirsty
ZXR: Reliable, good top end, stiff suspension but good on a track. Easily the gruntiest motor. Not as reliable as the Hondas when raced. I don't care about the USD forks etc cos I thought the front end on them was shit
FZR: Not quite as reliable (weak clutch), razor sharp handling (apparently the best of the bunch), decent engine. Pretty much on the money
GSXR: Reliable, good handling and good engine. Shit, look shit, handle shit, so unreliable there's few of them left
CBR: Reliable, good handling and good engine. Replace reliable with Bombproof. A tad heavy. Have to be kept above 10,000 rpm..


For a roadbike it'd have to be one of the Honda's simply because these bikes are getting on a bit and the build quality of them is exceptional.

[Gibbo89]

We bought a SV400 after test riding a selection of 400, 600 and 650cc bikes. Including the CB400 and VFR 400. The CB felt gutless compared to the SV and the VFR could have been great fun but the SV fit better and didn't feel to be working anywhere near as hard at 100km/hr.

The SV feels a bigger bike than the 400 it is, and easily out performed a number of the other 400's I rode (judged by feel when I was riding it, the hp / torque / top speed stats might paint a different picture but feel is what gets you when riding).
What sold us on the SV was the size and weight since it is primarily a bike for my wife. She felt most of the 600's were too heavy for her in low speed manouvering or stationary on anything other than flat ground.

I ride it to work probably 3 out of 4 days and don't mind it at all.

there are not a lot of sv400's out there but some look pretty sweet. their biggest rival in the twin category i guess would be the monster 400.

[waynzz7]

All the 400s are good in their own way. I dont quite buy into the whole VFR is the best malarkey. Granted i haven't ridden any. From doing a bit of research i have found:

VFR and RVF: Reliable, good midrange, good handling.
ZXR: Reliable, good top end, stiff suspension but good on a track.
FZR: Not quite as reliable (weak clutch), razor sharp handling (apparently the best of the bunch), decent engine.
GSXR: Reliable, good handling and good engine.
CBR: Reliable, good handling and good engine.

So its whatever fits best i guess!

I had myself a FZR400 for a few years and was never really impressed with it..I went from an NSR250 to it and after the first week I was disapointed in it's power, weight and handling (compared to the NSR250) and wished I had kept the NSR 2 stroker...I would recommend anyone still stuck on a restricted licence and a gutless 250 to get a NSR or RGV..these will keep up with most 400's and are a fraction of the weight...and will still keep a smile on your dial...

As for a bigger bike...I would definatley go for the 600 at least :yes: In my book more is better..And the extra power is not that scary...I went from a 400 to a 1000 no worries...don't know why I didn't do it sooner :scooter:

[scracha]

I would recommend anyone still stuck on a restricted licence and a gutless 250 to get a NSR or RGV..these will keep up with most 400's and are a fraction of the weight...and will still keep a smile on your dial...

Until you realise they're costing twice as much to run and that's before you hole a piston.

[Gibbo89]

the maintenance on a 250 2 stroke does not appeal to me, even though i'm sure they are plenty fun.

[imdying]

Until you realise they're costing twice as much to run and that's before you hole a piston.Incorrect. They could cost 10 times more to run, and they'd still be a bargain. People that worry about that sort of money need to be better jobs.

[neels]

Incorrect. They could cost 10 times more to run, and they'd still be a bargain.
It's all about bang for your buck

Or the bucks when they go bang.

Or something......

[imdying]

It's all about bang for your buckExactly... 4 strokes 250s and 400s are all buck and no bang. Unless flacid motorcycles are your thing of course, in which case go right ahead :)

[bittertwistedcute]

I love mine, I had it lowered tho : )

We bought a SV400 after test riding a selection of 400, 600 and 650cc bikes. Including the CB400 and VFR 400. The CB felt gutless compared to the SV and the VFR could have been great fun but the SV fit better and didn't feel to be working anywhere near as hard at 100km/hr.

The SV feels a bigger bike than the 400 it is, and easily out performed a number of the other 400's I rode (judged by feel when I was riding it, the hp / torque / top speed stats might paint a different picture but feel is what gets you when riding).
What sold us on the SV was the size and weight since it is primarily a bike for my wife. She felt most of the 600's were too heavy for her in low speed manouvering or stationary on anything other than flat ground.

I ride it to work probably 3 out of 4 days and don't mind it at all.

[gatch]

Been some time since I posted on here huh..

Anyway the diamond hard IRC tires I have on the vfr are totally shagged. The rear is pretty dry weather only looking and the front is nearly as bad.

I have procured a set of brand new Dunlop gpr12h hoops, which are the new replacement for the legendary gpra10.

I also got new front pads, fluid and an oil change to give the ol nc30 a bit of a birthday. Summer is looking good team :D

[Harvd]

I have procured a set of brand new Dunlop gpr12h hoops, which are the new replacement for the legendary gpra10.



Dont expect them to last long... Because they wont. But you'll have absolute confindence in them the entire time. I go with A10/12 front GPR100 rear.

[gatch]

Dont expect them to last long... Because they wont. But you'll have absolute confindence in them the entire time. I go with A10/12 front GPR100 rear.

It will be the best 4k of my life yet.. And probably 800 or so of that this weekend..

[gatch]

It will be the best 4k of my life yet.. And probably 800 or so of that this weekend..

These tires have more grip than an 8 year old boys bum..

The bad thing is now I can feel how under damped and under sprung the suspension is, forks nearly tucking in tight turns and the shock bottoming out..

Neat.

[ducatilover]

These tires have more grip than an 8 year old boys bum..



Neat.

Giggity, giggity, giggity.

May I ride it? :love: You can do illegal things to the CBeige400

[Gibbo89]

These tires have more grip than an 8 year old boys bum..

Lol, what a fuckin call. One of the best I've read on KB so far. You know shits funny when you actually 'lol'. Priceless...


The bad thing is now I can feel how under damped and under sprung the suspension is, forks nearly tucking in tight turns and the shock bottoming out..

Neat.

If that 400 is a long term possession then think about upgrading the rear shocks perhaps.

[gatch]

Giggity, giggity, giggity.

May I ride it? :love: You can do illegal things to the CBeige400

You heathen !

Next you will be asking for a turn with my lady friend !

Though chances are you can have a go with the latter before the former..

[gatch]

Lol, what a fuckin call. One of the best I've read on KB so far. You know shits funny when you actually 'lol'. Priceless..

I don't know why boys bums were the first thing that came to mind..


If that 400 is a long term possession then think about upgrading the rear shocks perhaps.

Yeah man, now I've caught a glimpse of this things potential, I'll sell my x-men cards and my mum before my bike. If I had a month and 20k I'd make this thing sing like Robert Plant with his tightest pants on.

[ducatilover]

You heathen !

Next you will be asking for a turn with my lady friend !

Though chances are you can have a go with the latter before the former..

:innocent: Works for me bro! I was really wanting a go with the 8 year old first :rockon:

[Renko]

Hi All
anyone replaced the front disks on their NC30? I want to replace the ones on mine and there seem to be two options on ebay and around the web. There are the cheap ones probably ex China for around $140, or there are ones at least twice the price made in the US or Europe.

Anyone had experience of either? If the Chinese ones are passable I will probably go for those, bot someones experience would help....

Ta

[Gibbo89]

Hi All
anyone replaced the front disks on their NC30? I want to replace the ones on mine and there seem to be two options on ebay and around the web. There are the cheap ones probably ex China for around $140, or there are ones at least twice the price made in the US or Europe.

Anyone had experience of either? If the Chinese ones are passable I will probably go for those, bot someones experience would help....

Ta

I have no idea about the discs mate, but just a question; do you really want to but some chinese discs? They are your life line, much like your gear and tyres.
the fella on here called henrydorsetcase seems to know quite a bit about these bikes, try send him a message.

[Gibbo89]

This bike looks pretty tidy for an old bike

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-341958517.htm

[Gibbo89]

This looks like one pretty sweet 400cc bike.

If Honda were smart, it should be brought here seeing as Kawasaki are bringing that 400cc parallel twin into NZ next year.

I know which one I would pick.

http://mymotorcyclegallery.blogspot.com/2009/07/honda-cb-400sf-super-four.html

[SMOKEU]

I have no idea about the discs mate, but just a question; do you really want to but some chinese discs? They are your life line, much like your gear and tyres.
the fella on here called henrydorsetcase seems to know quite a bit about these bikes, try send him a message.

The metal used to make the discs probably comes from China in either case. You'd be surprised at how much Chinese stuff is on Japanese bikes.

[RDjase]

Hi All
anyone replaced the front disks on their NC30? I want to replace the ones on mine and there seem to be two options on ebay and around the web. There are the cheap ones probably ex China for around $140, or there are ones at least twice the price made in the US or Europe.

Anyone had experience of either? If the Chinese ones are passable I will probably go for those, bot someones experience would help....

Ta



Try here, I think they are available thru dealers here

http://www.metalgear.com.au/

I havnt done anything with the KR yet, will keepyou informed when Tyler will be racing it, Prob BRM/Pacific Rd3 in Feb at this stage

Ps Your NC30 is a nice bike:yes:

[specter]

I've been having a wee look on the internet lately at 400cc sport/road bikes.

I've come up with a few questions, if you compare a 250 inline four and a 400 inline four where would you notice the difference?

apparently hp-wise they are reasonably similar i.e a cbr 250 is 45hp and a 400 super 4 is 50hp. so 10hp difference ish depending on the inline four you are on, but it is 150cc more? i assumed there would be a bit more power in them.

basically is a 400cc bike a good upgrade that is noticeably more powerful than a 250 or is the 600/650 the way to go? (i am thinking of power in terms of ability to overtake cars on the motorway with ease) i.e flick down a gear and pass a car that is going 100km/h

i cant be bothered reading the posts....

imo a 250 l4 vs 400 l4 is like comparing a gsxr600 vs gsxr750 almost the same hp and weight but has a shit load more torque. meaning you dont have to rev the shit out of it in order to get some power

[Gibbo89]

i cant be bothered reading the posts....

imo a 250 l4 vs 400 l4 is like comparing a gsxr600 vs gsxr750 almost the same hp and weight but has a shit load more torque. meaning you dont have to rev the shit out of it in order to get some power

If a 4 cylinder four hundred can shoot past a line of 4 cars going like 95k an hour and you just wanna shoot past them all on a long straight then a 400 would be a nice upgrade from a 250 I reckon. On my bike atm, I need to really plan my pass and make sure my Zeal will get to the speed I want it at quickly.

Just too bad they are all older now. But then again, bikes like the gsr600 appeal as it's more of an all rounder and it's a lot newer.

[specter]

Just too bad they are all older now. But then again, bikes like the gsr600 appeal as it's more of an all rounder and it's a lot newer.

if ya have the money, i say why not? something a little more reliable and will be much more bigger and will better if your planing on touring a bit

[Gibbo89]

if ya have the money, i say why not? something a little more reliable and will be much more bigger and will better if your planing on touring a bit

Money will always be the deciding factor for when I can upgrade.

[gatch]

i cant be bothered reading the posts....

imo a 250 l4 vs 400 l4 is like comparing a gsxr600 vs gsxr750 almost the same hp and weight but has a shit load more torque. meaning you dont have to rev the shit out of it in order to get some power

CBR-RRRRRRR250RRR is quoted to have 45hp I think and the nc30 to have either 59 or 65 hp stock. So like you say not a huge difference. Though having ridden both, the nc30 does feel much quicker.

Still got to rev it to get anywhere...

[ducatilover]

aaaah. NC30 is a fair bit faster than a CBRRRR-RRRRRRRRR-R250RRRR-RR :facepalm: Will diddle one all day long (Diddle, because we are talking of two Honduhs.)