2009 Yamaha R1 vs 2008 Ducati 848

[R6_kid]

Decision decisions...

Not a situation I ever thought I'd be in, well maybe not for another 5 years yet.

Has anyone ridden both? Whatever I get it will only be used for track riding and some 'weekend' road rides.

The R1's I've been looking at are all standard except for slip on cans and have between 4000km and 8000km on the clock. The 848 I have my eye on is exactly how I'd want it except for some fancy suspenders - has a fair bit of carbon, Termi slipons and has been really well looked after with 8000km on it. The only catch is that the 848 is about $2k more than the R1's I've seen.

What would you go for and why?

I've previously owned a Supersports 600 and a late model 1000cc 'Superbike' but have recently fell in love with torquey twins. That sort of makes me lean on the 848 (I don't want a 1098/1198) but that R1 with the crossplane cranckshaft really sounds horny and seems to have a fair bit of down low punch too.

[piston broke]

i wouldn't even think twice.
guess which way.

[tigertim20]

Decision decisions...

Not a situation I ever thought I'd be in, well maybe not for another 5 years yet.

Has anyone ridden both? Whatever I get it will only be used for track riding and some 'weekend' road rides.

The R1's I've been looking at are all standard except for slip on cans and have between 4000km and 8000km on the clock. The 848 I have my eye on is exactly how I'd want it except for some fancy suspenders - has a fair bit of carbon, Termi slipons and has been really well looked after with 8000km on it. The only catch is that the 848 is about $2k more than the R1's I've seen.

What would you go for and why?

I've previously owned a Supersports 600 and a late model 1000cc 'Superbike' but have recently fell in love with torquey twins. That sort of makes me lean on the 848 (I don't want a 1098/1198) but that R1 with the crossplane cranckshaft really sounds horny and seems to have a fair bit of down low punch too.

in the last couple months, Ive seen this question asked soo many times, on a variety of different forums, with the result (from what Ive seen) favouring the R1. Only way to know, find a dealer with both in stock, and ride them back to back. Its hard to recall from memory how a bike was, so I can only suggest riding them back to back:yes:

and then bring them to my place so i can give ya a second opinion!

and I want pics when you buy!

[SMOKEU]

How fast do you want to go? On paper the R1 does have a lot more power than the Ducati. Buy the R1 and with the $2K change you can afford a decent set of adjusties for it.

[piston broke]

How fast do you want to go? On paper the R1 does have a lot more power than the Ducati. Buy the R1 and with the $2K change you can afford a decent set of adjusties for it.

or get the duck and not need to spend $2k to get a sweet bike.
or 1198

good luck with your choice

[tz tony]

848 for me thanks

[CHOPPA]

r1, 848 is the girls version of the 1198

[piston broke]

r1, 848 is the girls version of the 1198


yet but the r1 is the menstraiting version of m/cycles;)

[Marmoot]

I used to have a 2005 Jap litre il4. Then I downgraded to 848....or upgraded...I still don't know.

The Honda was blisteringly fast, easy to ride fast, easy to live with, and was definitely joy to ride.

The Ducati was quick, hard and tricky to master but very rewarding once you know how to handle it, and when you ride it proper it is simply satisfying.

Surprisingly, I was a whole 4 seconds faster at Puke on the 848, despite it being 30kph slower than the Honda at the backstraight (265 vs 295, all speedo figures not actual speed).

So, there you go.

For me, the 848 gave much more fulfilment, but only when I get to do it properly.

The 1krr was joy everywhere, but not as extreme as the 848 although if you look at the average it may compete or be even better. But I'm not someone who settles for mediocrity.

As far as living, Honda was a joy to live with. Ducati is very tempramental and service is a bit on the expensive side relatively speaking. Also, in my 2 years owning it I've had 2 voltage regulator blowouts, an exhaust servo motor blowout, and lost a few screws due to vibration.

Do I miss my Honda? Yes, sometimes.
Would I sell my 848 and get another litre bike? Not sure.

Sorry to make it even more difficult.

Final note: You can buy a litre bike for what it does, but if you buy a Ducati it has to be for what it is.

[Scouse]

If your are a six footer or taller the Duc will be very hard on your back

[Kiwi Graham]

A bloody cheap 2010 here
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Sports/auction-312652687.htm

[DMNTD]

i wouldn't even think twice.
guess which way.

Yeah....the R1, easily! :woohoo:
Have ridden both, have owned the R1. I preferred the R1 over my 1098S I had despite the fact that I LOVED my bleck Duc. I could also ride the R1 faster,easier too.
The '09+ R1 is the first Jap litre bike I've owned or ridden that I thought had some 'character' to it.
Pulls like a 'V', sounds insane especially with a pair of 2 bro's cans.

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[White trash]

If you're after torques G, the R1 will smash the 848 hands down.

However, as Randy has very well pointed out, you'll get pride of ownership from the Ducati that despite it's shortcomings, you'll find difficult to live without.

Personally, I'd have the R1 (if I couldn't get a GSXR) simply because I don't believe Ducati have built a bike yet that could deal with teh day to day abuse I tend to inflict on bikes :)

[CHOPPA]

If I had the choice for a road bike between a 10 or 1198 and an r1 id go for the duke for pose value and cause the v twin I think is better for the road.

I wouldnt go for an 848 though, too slow

[kiwifruit]

675
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[Marmoot]

simply because I don't believe Ducati have built a bike yet that could deal with teh day to day abuse I tend to inflict on bikes :)

As far as I'm aware of, the abuse only happens when you race, no?
I don't think you crash on your day to day.
:wacko:

[avgas]

848 - variety is the spice of life.

However if i had the coin the KTM Duke 690 would be my pick.

[White trash]

As far as I'm aware of, the abuse only happens when you race, no?
I don't think you crash on your day to day.
:wacko:

Dude. Have you not spent anytime with me? It's not just the crashing. It's the compulsary wheelies from motorway lights (4 primo opportunities in ach direction daily) The six months between cleaning and oil changes........ list goes on.

[DMNTD]

Yeah....the R1, easily! :woohoo:
Have ridden both, have owned the R1. I preferred the R1 over my 1098S I had despite the fact that I LOVED my bleck Duc. I could also ride the R1 faster,easier too.
The '09+ R1 is the first Jap litre bike I've owned or ridden that I thought had some 'character' to it.
Pulls like a 'V', sounds insane especially with a pair of 2 bro's cans.

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Ahhhh fuck it....I just bought another one! :wacko:

[kiwifruit]

Ahhhh fuck it....I just bought another one! :wacko:

giz a go mister?

[robertydog]

Ahhhh fuck it....I just bought another one! :wacko:

Oh yea.:woohoo:

[NZsarge]

Ahhhh fuck it....I just bought another one! :wacko:

Couldn't stay away eh....
And pics or it didn't happen.

[Marmoot]

Dude. Have you not spent anytime with me? It's not just the crashing. It's the compulsary wheelies from motorway lights (4 primo opportunities in ach direction daily) The six months between cleaning and oil changes........ list goes on.

Bah....those are not abuse.
My duc has more than 6 months between oil change.

Ducati has stepped up the build quality from 999/749 onwards with their testrastretta engine, although yes it is still not on par with the Japanese build quality.

[NZsarge]

Oh yeah, i'd go the R1, no question.

[tigertim20]

Decision decisions...

Not a situation I ever thought I'd be in, well maybe not for another 5 years yet.

Has anyone ridden both? Whatever I get it will only be used for track riding and some 'weekend' road rides.

The R1's I've been looking at are all standard except for slip on cans and have between 4000km and 8000km on the clock. The 848 I have my eye on is exactly how I'd want it except for some fancy suspenders - has a fair bit of carbon, Termi slipons and has been really well looked after with 8000km on it. The only catch is that the 848 is about $2k more than the R1's I've seen.

What would you go for and why?

I've previously owned a Supersports 600 and a late model 1000cc 'Superbike' but have recently fell in love with torquey twins. That sort of makes me lean on the 848 (I don't want a 1098/1198) but that R1 with the crossplane cranckshaft really sounds horny and seems to have a fair bit of down low punch too.

actually, you know what, fuck it. get the 848. get it for no other reason than the fact that it will be lots different to anything else youve owned. I know, I should be saying go the R1, but everytime ive bought a bike so far was because it was different to the old ones id had. try something new.

[Genie]

Ahhhh fuck it....I just bought another one! :wacko:

Congrats, you deserve a new toy.

[98tls]

As far as I'm aware of, the abuse only happens when you race, no?
I don't think you crash on your day to day.
:wacko:

This bloke cant have been abusing his latest n greatest enough eh,"oh the humanity". Fwiw i vote the 848,gotta love the underdog. <object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/iqZxw35yxEk?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/iqZxw35yxEk?fs=1&amp;hl=en_US" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

[Littleman]

Weren't you barrowing clay around my property a few months ago being a poor student?

Fucking drug dealer.

[R6_kid]

Weren't you barrowing clay around my property a few months ago being a poor student?

Fucking drug dealer.

I moved up from clay to yellow cake. Them Chinese fellows really do like their Uranium, and are happy to pay a pretty penny for it too :whistle:

[Littleman]

Sorry I couldn't advise you on the bike situation.

Is to be expected.

[R6_kid]

Sorry to make it even more difficult.

Final note: You can buy a litre bike for what it does, but if you buy a Ducati it has to be for what it is.

All good mate - that's the kinda info I was looking for. My boss has a 2v Ducati Monster which he's customising, along with a sports classic, an MH900e and he's just bought an NCR Milona R... so getting the 848 will improve the workplace relationship and result in me getting less shit for being a Yamaha rider, now I'll just be a sell out!


If you're after torques G, the R1 will smash the 848 hands down.

However, as Randy has very well pointed out, you'll get pride of ownership from the Ducati that despite it's shortcomings, you'll find difficult to live without.

Good point, as it's gonna be a fun times bike only, and maybe a beach/latte shop poser it won't be getting high km's on it. I get the feeling if I buy a Ducati there will be no going back, where as if I get the R1 then I'll be able to have my fun and then move on to the next.


If I had the choice for a road bike between a 10 or 1198 and an r1 id go for the duke for pose value and cause the v twin I think is better for the road.

I wouldnt go for an 848 though, too slow

I'm on a TRX850 at the moment, tops out at 220kmh and has about 90bhp in it's current state of tune. I like good drive out of corners, not so worried about top speed or mental acceleration. At the end of the day I'm a road rider that enjoys the track, not a wannabe racer who thinks the latest, greatest and most powerful is gonna make me keep up with the likes of yourself. If I did I'd buy an S1000RR!


675

Thought about it, ridden a striple before and liked it, but I tend to kill 600's from being a fatty with a hamfist.

[skippa1]

oh to suffer the dilema....

[carbonhed]

I tend to kill 600's from being a fatty with a hamfist.

Well there's your answer...

Up till that point I was going for the 848 because despite the fact it's comically bad out on the highway it is a thing of beauty and highly desirable. However... perch a fat bastard on top of it... and it'll just look silly.

No the R1 is the bike for you it's a big, ugly, bastard too so there'll be a kind of balance to the whole ensemble. Big, black, threatening and with a wonderous engine... cool.

I can see this may seem harsh but I like to think of it as harsh but fair. In the finest traditions of Kiwibiker :yes:

[Cr1MiNaL]

I used to have a 2005 Jap litre il4. Then I downgraded to 848....or upgraded...I still don't know.

The Honda was blisteringly fast, easy to ride fast, easy to live with, and was definitely joy to ride.

The Ducati was quick, hard and tricky to master but very rewarding once you know how to handle it, and when you ride it proper it is simply satisfying.

Surprisingly, I was a whole 4 seconds faster at Puke on the 848, despite it being 30kph slower than the Honda at the backstraight (265 vs 295, all speedo figures not actual speed).

So, there you go.

For me, the 848 gave much more fulfilment, but only when I get to do it properly.

The 1krr was joy everywhere, but not as extreme as the 848 although if you look at the average it may compete or be even better. But I'm not someone who settles for mediocrity.

As far as living, Honda was a joy to live with. Ducati is very tempramental and service is a bit on the expensive side relatively speaking. Also, in my 2 years owning it I've had 2 voltage regulator blowouts, an exhaust servo motor blowout, and lost a few screws due to vibration.

Do I miss my Honda? Yes, sometimes.
Would I sell my 848 and get another litre bike? Not sure.

Sorry to make it even more difficult.

Final note: You can buy a litre bike for what it does, but if you buy a Ducati it has to be for what it is.

After owning a couple of litre bikes and more than a few late model 600'ds and riding this fellas bike down 22 - I'd have to say depends on your personality. If your aggressive, love power and wheelies I would buy the R1. If your a bit of a homo buy the 848.

[Marmoot]

If your a bit of a homo buy the 848.

How come I don't see you buying two of them then? :wacko:

[saltydog]

I'm biased but the R1 would be my choice. My mates Dukes (although very yummy and I love the noise when following), are always in the shop for one thing or another....

[R6_kid]

Well there's your answer...

Up till that point I was going for the 848 because despite the fact it's comically bad out on the highway it is a thing of beauty and highly desirable. However... perch a fat bastard on top of it... and it'll just look silly.

I was under the impression that the 848 is exactly the same size physically as the 1098?

[Cr1MiNaL]

I was under the impression that the 848 is exactly the same size physically as the 1098?

So your agreeing your a fat bastard? ;)

[carbonhed]

So your agreeing your a fat bastard? ;)

Oh snap! :laugh:

Yeah, I think the 848 is the same size as the 1098... your point? :whistle:

[imdying]

Definitely the R1 if you like pies... it's a big tub of lard, with those huge mufflers sticking out the sides. Personally I think you'd be crazy to buy one of those ugly whales... but then again, they're all a bit ugly.

[Cr1MiNaL]

Definitely the R1 if you like pies... it's a big tub of lard, with those huge mufflers sticking out the sides. Personally I think you'd be crazy to buy one of those ugly whales... but then again, they're all a bit ugly.

Thats true, the rear end is positively ugly. Even a set of pipes doesn't tidy it up. Front's all good though, side fairings r still pretty okish. I'd buy a 2008. However, if you really want a good bike u'd be buying a L0 Gsx-R 1000 :D:yes:

[imdying]

Thats true, the rear end is positively ugly. Even a set of pipes doesn't tidy it up. Front's all good though, side fairings r still pretty okish. I'd buy a 2008. However, if you really want a good bike u'd be buying a L0 Gsx-R 1000 :D:yes:Yeah, I'm a fan of the headlights with the ducts around them. Although the current crop are all a bit ugly in their own ways, you don't see ugly from the captains seat.

[jack_hamma]

848 if you wish to ride hard all the time.... AND can ride it to it's max... if you can't go the soft way out and get the R1 :)

[gatch]

Buy a GN and spend the rest on cocaine and hookers.

[Marmoot]

I was under the impression that the 848 is exactly the same size physically as the 1098?

It is. And a lot of parts, including bodyworks, are interchangeable.

Suspension parts, however, need further checks to ensure compatibility.
The steering geometries, seat heights, and wheelbases are different.
Also, 1098 has adjustable rear height by default, while 848 are not adjustable (unless you get aftermarket adjustable mount)

[avgas]

How come I don't see you buying two of them then? :wacko:
His boyfriend manages the credit card

[BMWST?]

you can always go the other way next time.

[R6_kid]

So your agreeing your a fat bastard? ;)

Yep, I'm the heaviest I've ever been. 25kg heavier that I was 5 years ago.


Thats true, the rear end is positively ugly. Even a set of pipes doesn't tidy it up. Front's all good though, side fairings r still pretty okish. I'd buy a 2008. However, if you really want a good bike u'd be buying a L0 Gsx-R 1000 :D:yes:

I actually quite like the new R1, with aftermarket pipes it looks a lot tidier and sounds lot hornier.

[robertydog]

I actually quite like the new R1, with aftermarket pipes it looks a lot tidier and sounds lot hornier.

You are right there

[Cr1MiNaL]

You are right there

Hmm... I'm not so sure there Bob.

Number #3 is the same angle. See for yourself. The 08 in my opinion is the sexiest bike EVER built. ANyhow, the extra price of the 09 doesn't justify what you get. Most riders are never going to be able to exploit the 5% top end range of the bike that is superior to the 08. A nothing choice really.

[DMNTD]

ANyhow, the extra price of the 09 doesn't justify what you get. Most riders are never going to be able to exploit the 5% top end range of the bike that is superior to the 08. A nothing choice really.

They are two very different bikes to ride re power deliver etc. I find the '09+ R1 is much easier to ride faster especially if the rider is not interested in having to rev the snot out of their bike.
The way the '09+ delivers its power makes it easier to road ride at sensible levels. Simply just roll on and she'll go where as the previous models deliver their power in the higher rev range therefore encouraging the rider to cane it.
Overtaking is MUCH easier due to its torque.

IMHO an all round better road bike....IMHO an all round better/easier bike to ride VERY fast especially if you're from a "twin" background

[Bleck K6]

..IMHO an all round better/easier bike to ride VERY fast especially if you're from a "twin" background

I didnt know you had a twin?????? Bleh

[kiwifruit]

Hmm... I'm not so sure there Bob.

Number #3 is the same angle. See for yourself. The 08 in my opinion is the sexiest bike EVER built. ANyhow, the extra price of the 09 doesn't justify what you get. Most riders are never going to be able to exploit the 5% top end range of the bike that is superior to the 08. A nothing choice really.

You photoshopped the better looking bike out! :-0
http://www.bikepics.com/members/kiwifruit/07r1/

[Bardman]

You are right there

With the aftermarket pipes they really bark.:yes:
220117

[SMOKEU]

With the aftermarket pipes they really bark.:yes:


Whatever happened to the old 'drill the muffler out' trick?

[nutjob]

With the aftermarket pipes they really bark.:yes:
220117

Get rid of that rear fender dude, it makes the bike look like a tow truck!

[nutjob]

Get rid of that rear fender dude, it makes the bike look like a tow truck!

Shit, my bad sorry. I see you have done so already, much better! :niceone:

[DMNTD]

With the aftermarket pipes they really bark.:yes

I chose the obnoxiously loud option... :love:

[bsasuper]

The yamaha, same suzuki, have both been designed by the No1 origami master son.

The ducati looks a little better but its a ducati.

[slowpoke]

The R1 is a bloated thing that will never win any beauty awards. The 848 is pretty but is low spec and will utlimately leave you wondering about it's bigger brother(s). Both are lousy value for money.


For that sort of dosh I'd be looking at something like a Duc 999R instead. The shape is actually getting better looking as time goes by and in you'll never have to worry about another pulling up next to you at the lights.

[White trash]

For that sort of dosh I'd be looking at something like a Duc 999R instead. The shape is actually getting better looking as time goes by and in you'll never have to worry about another pulling up next to you at the lights.

Bwahahaha, maybe not in the Wairarapa or on a rig offshore WA you bloody hillbilly but every man and his dog's got one in Auckland :D

[slowpoke]

Bwahahaha, maybe not in the Wairarapa or on a rig offshore WA you bloody hillbilly but every man and his dog's got one in Auckland :D

See, I told ya I was outta touch with fashion! You'll have to show me 'round some of your favourite latte bars in the big smoke and get me schooled up.....should I go with the swandri or blue "wife beater" singlet if I'm tryin' to blend in......

[NZsarge]

The R1 is a bloated thing that will never win any beauty awards.

Bloated? I think it's the last of the real world sized litre bikes, the rest of them look like 400's on roid's and the rider ends up looking like a pumpkin on a pimple unless you're Dani Pedrosa midget like. As for the looks.. I like them, better looking than any of the other big four litre bikes and Ducati's don't really do it for me, too thin, look like the runt of the litter.

The 848 is pretty but is low spec and will utlimately leave you wondering about it's bigger brother(s). Both are lousy value for money.

There is no new Ducati out there that I know of that you could call even remotely value for money and again the R1 is no worse than any of the other big four.


For that sort of dosh I'd be looking at something like a Duc 999R instead. The shape is actually getting better looking as time goes by and in you'll never have to worry about another pulling up next to you at the lights.

Ok, everyone's allow their opinion for sure but seriously? Probably the 2nd most poorly judged Ducati (looks wise) behind the 1st gen Multistrada but it's personal opinion I guess, i've never been into any Ducati until I laid eyes on a Streetfighter (that's an awesome bike but again too small) and oddly I don't mind the new Multistrada either.

[slowpoke]

There is no new Ducati out there that I know of that you could call even remotely value for money and again the R1 is no worse than any of the other big four.


Ok, everyone's allow their opinion for sure but seriously? Probably the 2nd most poorly judged Ducati (looks wise) behind the 1st gen Multistrada but it's personal opinion I guess, i've never been into any Ducati until I laid eyes on a Streetfighter (that's an awesome bike but again too small) and oddly I don't mind the new Multistrada either.

Nah, I meant value for money as in newish bikes that ya take a big hit on depreciation when they aren't substantially better than their predecessors, if at all. "New" is overrated, especially if your just trundling 'round the streets.

Haha, yeah I looked at the first pics of the 999's with horror too, but the fuggin' things have grown on me. To my eyes they are just something that still looks fresh, different and good in an unconventional way, especially the later ones with the red frame and black fabricated swingarm. It wouldn't have been judged half as harshly if it hadn't had to follow in the footsteps of the 916-998.

Your onto good things with the Streetfighter and new Multistrada though, I gotta agree with those.

For the record Ducati have made plenty of ugly bikes, as illustrated below, that make the 999 look like Miss Universe.

[NZsarge]

For the record Ducati have made plenty of ugly bikes, as illustrated below, that make the 999 look like Miss Universe.

Yeah you'd be right about the first one, shocker the most bike were back in that day! Is the second one a 851 Superbike? I used to drool over those things as a young fella..
Edit: Sorry had a better look, some version of the Paso?

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