Real IRA going after bankers

[mashman]

good or bad... hmmmmm... with the way life is these days, i'm starting to fall in love with the idea :shifty:

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100915/tuk-terror-group-in-warning-to-criminal-45dbed5.html

[Banditbandit]

Yeah do it .. do it ... Bader-Meinhoff lives !!!!

[Swoop]

As much as I despise terrorism and the IRA, a big "thank you" goes out to them for killing that bastard Mountbatten (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Mountbatten,_1st_Earl_Mountbatten_of_Burma). Just a shame that they didn't do it 5 years earlier.

[Dave Lobster]

I'm guessing none of you have ever been close to an IRA bomb, or seen one of your mates shot by a PIRA sniper.

If you had, you'd keep your fucking gobs shut.

[onearmedbandit]

I'm guessing none of you have ever been close to an IRA bomb, or seen one of your mates shot by a PIRA sniper.

If you had, you'd keep your fucking gobs shut.

I understand what you're getting at, and it sounds like you have been in this position, but for those that haven't, the atrocities committed will always be another newspaper article or story on TV. That's as real as it gets for us, and for that we are lucky.

[slofox]

Not to defend terrorist acts, but bankers sure are a bunch of arseholes...the criticisms leveled at them here are all too true.

How to deal with the situation is another matter...

[Dave Lobster]

I understand what you're getting at, and it sounds like you have been in this position, but for those that haven't, the atrocities committed will always be another newspaper article or story on TV. That's as real as it gets for us, and for that we are lucky.

Which makes the first few posts even more stupid.

[KiWiP]

As much as I despise terrorism and the IRA, a big "thank you" goes out to them for killing that bastard Mountbatten (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Mountbatten,_1st_Earl_Mountbatten_of_Burma). Just a shame that they didn't do it 5 years earlier.

Wrong on so many levels.

Terrorism is never acceptable when there is a working (although it may be faulty) democratic system in place. There is no right in it and there is no honour in it.

"Bastard" Mountbatten? Not entirely sure why an old man with a distinguished career in both world wars. Even the IRA noted he was picked because he was an accessible, high profile royal. His murder (not assassination) was political in purpose not military or strategic.
Also murdered at the same time were two children one of whom was an Irish national. Hey if it happened 5 years earlier they would have been 10 would that have been better for you.

If you want to live in a country where murder is acceptable then fuck off to Haiti or Columbia or some such place like Bali where you never know if a bomb is going to go off in that nice tourist bar you're having a quiet drink in. Then when one of your family or friends has been cowardly slaughtered post again.

[jonbuoy]

Not sure why people are blaming the bankers - who borrowed the money from them in the first place??

[eelracing]

Screw terrorism...the state of banks these days makes it damn near compulsory to take a gun just to get some fucken service.

[Swoop]

"Bastard" Mountbatten? Not entirely sure why an old man with a distinguished career in both world wars.

Also murdered at the same time were two children one of whom was an Irish national. Hey if it happened 5 years earlier they would have been 10 would that have been better for you.
As I stated in the beginning, I have no love for terrorism OR the IRA. Period.

That low life P.O.S. Mountbatten was murdered along with innocents. Totally unacceptable but predictable from the mentality of the IRA of that time who would kill many children to get at one individual person.

An "old man with a distinguished career" is only the public facade that is pushed out. A complete imbecile who did unsurmountable damage to Great Britain and really should have been tried as a traitor. He thrived under the "democratic system"... unfortunately.

[Berries]

Fucking paddies.

[Brian d marge]

I'm guessing none of you have ever been close to an IRA bomb, or seen one of your mates shot by a PIRA sniper.

If you had, you'd keep your fucking gobs shut.

How does a kilometer away from St Marys axe London bomb , sound ,,, and living in Belfast during the troubles ......

While I rail against terrorism in ANY FORM , the idea behind this lot gets my vote ....

as in banker ARE evil

Stephen

[Dave Lobster]

How does a kilometer away from St Marys axe London bomb , sound ,,, and living in Belfast during the troubles ......

While I rail against terrorism in ANY FORM , the idea behind this lot gets my vote ....

as in banker ARE evil



Isn't that the business people were in in the World Trade Centre? I'm sure a few people in America would disagree with you.

[davereid]

Just more senseless violence, justified by a "good cause".

The worlds Governments inflict enough violence on people for "good causes" without adding more idiots. Particularly religious ones.

[Banditbandit]

His murder (not assassination) was political in purpose not military or strategic.


I am sorry but assassination is murder for a political purpose ...

[mashman]

I'm guessing none of you have ever been close to an IRA bomb, or seen one of your mates shot by a PIRA sniper.

If you had, you'd keep your fucking gobs shut.

I'm sorry for stirring such memories Dave. That definately wasn't my intention. I don't agree with the IRA going after the military in any way shape or form, but I understand it from the point of view where governments that fight "terrorism" will send every resource at their disposal (our defence force) to stop those it classes as being terrorists.

I did see a lot of the "conflict" on TV as a "kid", but I also asked plenty questions about it and to this day I can't understand why the british government doesn't give Northern Ireland back to the Irish. After all that is what the IRA were originally fighting for, to have their own country back. The british government given up sooooo many of the colonies over the last 50 years or so, why not Ireland? especially when "mission" statements, such as the one posted, are going to target peoples lives. I forgot, we don't negotiate with terrorists (one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter), even if they're only asking for their country back.

I have a MASSIVE problem with any conflict, primarily as it's usually financially motivated, i mean, why fight for humanitarian reasons in Iraq and completely ignore Zimbabwe and the rest of Africa? Money! So it seems logical to me to go after those who wage "social war" on every continent and all because they want some more of that valuable "paper"?

Bankers and financial institutions are an insult humanity.

[Dave Lobster]

I can't understand why the british government doesn't give Northern Ireland back to the Irish.

Because the people there are British!! Jeepers..

[T.W.R]

Because the people there are British!! Jeepers..

To keep the micks at bay :yes:
stems way back to The Battle of the Boyne (http://http://www.google.co.nz/url?q=http://www.irelandseye.com/aarticles/history/events/dates/ch5.shtm&sa=U&ei=j7SSTOO9HYqKtgOSx_ycCQ&ved=0CB8QFjAB&usg=AFQjCNG5_IIn8UgOoPcBglQsSMQL0XuJsQ)

William of Orange (King William III) kicked King James II arse :headbang:

My great grandfather's brother was shot in the back leaving his shop in County Argmah by the IRA :pinch:

[Brian d marge]

Isn't that the business people were in in the World Trade Centre? I'm sure a few people in America would disagree with you.

not sure if I read you post correctly , anyway there were 2 big bombs in London back in the early 1990s , one was in the city of London , the other over kilburn way ,

I was going to bed when the city of London one happened and that was a big bang ,,, , and the scary thing was the guys that made the bomb , lived just round the corner from me and would have drank at the same pub,

we were caught up in quite a few incidences during that time , missing bombs by literally minutes .
I have been lucky , having had the luck of the Irish , Living in Rathcoole (sp) and having family that weren't exactly squeaky clean , I somehow manage to just miss stuff that hit the fan ( and it did )

As for Bankers Where do I start , Greed and the need for profit has destroyed communities. The mess called New Zealand , where a very small group have some money , and a very large group Think they do , leaving the rest with 2/5th of nowt , (and the corresponding social collapse ) is directly attributable to the reforms put in place by the idealist under direction from ( wall street, the bond market )

Mr Key that smiling Bounder , was instrumental in those reform , he sold NZ up the river ( and forgets the exact date when he was on the other end of the telephone to a Mr Krieger )

Keep following these failed ideal or bowing to the pressures of the bond market and NZ (is ) will reap what it sows ...( on saying that Nz economic policies of over succesive governments have been very prudent in the eyes of the markets )

First look after your people , food , health , education , THEN EXPORT and make the money , but you cant export , if you have an over wieght illeterate workforce .....

( you can if your expors are apples, not much of an education needed to pick those , but then the income isnt so hot, so the wheel turns )

Nail em UP I say NAIL EM up !!!!!

Stephen

[mashman]

Because the people there are British!! Jeepers..

They weren't always :) and not all of them are and you could argue that NI is just another British colony, and one that should have been given back a long time ago and thereby saving a lot of unnecessary bloodshed.

[Oscar]

They weren't always :) and not all of them are and you could argue that NI is just another British colony, and one that should have been given back a long time ago and thereby saving a lot of unnecessary bloodshed.

Given back to whom?
What happened to self determination?

[jonbuoy]

They weren't always :) and not all of them are and you could argue that NI is just another British colony, and one that should have been given back a long time ago and thereby saving a lot of unnecessary bloodshed.

Why don´t you give NZ back to the Maoris? Glass houses stones......... The majority of NI érs want to be British, they can vote to leave and join the South.

[mashman]

Given back to whom?
What happened to self determination?

The Irish people.


What happened to self determination?


Why don´t you give NZ back to the Maoris? Glass houses stones......... The majority of NI érs want to be British, they can vote to leave and join the South.

Absolutely. I reckon the people of Ireland would settle for peace, IF a United Ireland is all it would take. If you want a British passport, then why wouldn't it be granted? People hold dual citizenship don't they?

[jonbuoy]

They can vote - proportional representation look up good Friday agreement.

[Dave Lobster]

you could argue that NI is just another British colony, .

You could argue a whole heap of nonsense (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/search.php?searchid=2755490). It doesn't make you right. And it doesn't mean you should.

[doc]

The Irish people.




Absolutely. I reckon the people of Ireland would settle for peace, IF a United Ireland is all it would take. If you want a British passport, then why wouldn't it be granted? People hold dual citizenship don't they?

Faark have you ever listened to an Irishman arguing about politics ?..... It defies logic

[mashman]

They can vote - proportional representation look up good Friday agreement.

thanks for that.

I see back in the 30's everyone seemed happy with what they had. I see in the late 90's there was, what I would call a reneging on the deal amendment, to the original agreement... voted for ONLY by the people of NI. 94% being the result. Funny that... and part of the amendment was to article 2, where they decided not to recognise Irelands status as being a National Territory... wouldn't annoy anyone would it?

We can go around the houses, but once upon a time there was a peace. Why did it change?

[mashman]

You could argue a whole heap of nonsense (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/search.php?searchid=2755490). It doesn't make you right. And it doesn't mean you should.

Very true. I'm not trying to be right. Very true, as there are other ways to go about it, lord knows they've tried... I know i can't change a thing, but that doesn't mean I can't think about it, or muse over how the "intelligent" growd ups couldn't organise a piss up in a brothel. That's how it looks to me, naive maybe.

[mashman]

Faark have you ever listened to an Irishman arguing about politics ?..... It defies logic

it took me 20 years to understand the Scots. I'm married to a Weegie and still have a hard time understanding her at times :lol:

[jonbuoy]

thanks for that.

I see back in the 30's everyone seemed happy with what they had. I see in the late 90's there was, what I would call a reneging on the deal amendment, to the original agreement... voted for ONLY by the people of NI. 94% being the result. Funny that... and part of the amendment was to article 2, where they decided not to recognise Irelands status as being a National Territory... wouldn't annoy anyone would it?

We can go around the houses, but once upon a time there was a peace. Why did it change?

Back in the 1600´s Maori were living quite happily by themselves - what changed?

You´ve started a pretty inflammatory thread without even knowing about the good Friday agreement. What are you trying to achieve? I don´t know the whole 800 years of history surrounding the disagreements, I do know the tactics used by both Loyalists and Separatists were all pretty diabolical. The people waving the real IRA flag now are just looking for a new fight, they don´t want to give up the power they have. Southern Irelands economy is in a pretty poor state and who better to blame for that than the Bankers.

[mashman]

Back in the 1600´s Maori were living quite happily by themselves - what changed?

You´ve started a pretty inflammatory thread without even knowing about the good Friday agreement. What are you trying to achieve? I don´t know the whole 800 years of history surrounding the disagreements, I do know the tactics used by both Loyalists and Separatists were all pretty diabolical. The people waving the real IRA flag now are just looking for a new fight, they don´t want to give up the power they have. Southern Irelands economy is in a pretty poor state and who better to blame for that than the Bankers.

lol, i take your point.

Unfortunately I was having a smug moment (oh the irony) about the bankers getting threatened and voiced it on a forum. I, for one, believe we would live much happier, innovative, competitive etc... lives without the financial system and the world it wraps around it. I was looking at it from that angle. I can only assume that the mess of yesteryear and the way forwards has taken too long for some. But you may be right, it may well be that they are just looking for a new fight.

[MIXONE]

Who here has not got a mortgage,overdraft or credit card?I'm greedy and have got the lot.
Blaming the banks is a bit like borrowing your neighbour's lawn mower and then calling him a cunt when it runs out of petrol.

[Brian d marge]

Who here has not got a mortgage,overdraft or credit card?I'm greedy and have got the lot.
Blaming the banks is a bit like borrowing your neighbour's lawn mower and then calling him a cunt when it runs out of petrol.

If your neighbour is charging you 8 % on using the lawn mower which isnt actually theirs ,

yes they are "##$$$

and then they pop over to our house and tell you how to cut ur own lawn !

Sound like BIG "#$$ts to me

Stephen

[awayatc]

banks run this planet.......

terrorists are mere amateurs by comparison.:yes:

[T.W.R]

Why don´t you give NZ back to the Maoris? Glass houses stones.........

Because the horis weren't here 1st, they ate the original inhabitants :wacko:

[Banditbandit]

Because the horis weren't here 1st, they ate the original inhabitants :wacko:

Hei aha ??? Oh Oh Oh .. (naaa ... I'll let that go and walk away from it ... )

[Oscar]

Hei aha ??? Oh Oh Oh .. (naaa ... I'll let that go and walk away from it ... )

Stinky, stinky bait....

[marty]

Hei aha ??? Oh Oh Oh .. (naaa ... I'll let that go and walk away from it ... )

What do you mean 'what'??? He makes a valid point.

[Hans]

Who here has not got a mortgage,overdraft or credit card?I'm greedy and have got the lot.
Blaming the banks is a bit like borrowing your neighbour's lawn mower and then calling him a cunt when it runs out of petrol.

Erm...Me. I spend what I have. Everything I own belongs to me, not the bank. I work 60-70 hours a week and am supporting my wife through an apprenticeship that does not qualify for state funding or student allowance. We OWN a car a bike a horse and fuck all else. When she's done apprenticing, we'll be well off and debt free. We'll save up for a bit of land and build a house on it. We can tell the bankers to go get fucked.

[Hans]

Blaming the banks is like borrowing your neighbour's lawn mower and then calling him a cunt when it runs out of petrol.

To over extend the metaphor a little further: Borrowing money from the bank and then blaming them is like selling your ass for cash and then complaining that you can't sit down properly and that you are beset by mysterious bouts of anal incontinence. /6ish bourbons/

[Banditbandit]

What do you mean 'what'??? He makes a valid point.

A very very old school point ... Sure some of my ancestors were cannibals ... but the Moriori were never here .. only on the Te Wharekauri (Chathams) ...

The original inhabitants on the mainland were Māori ..not Moriori ..

[Dave Lobster]

The original inhabitants on the mainland were Māori ..not Moriori ..

Original? Or just the only ones we get to hear about?

[Banditbandit]

Original? Or just the only ones we get to hear about?

The history that was taught in schools when I was there is not quite accurate. The history I learnt was that there was a group of people in New Zealand - the Moriori - and when Māori arrived on waka they killed the Moriori and ate the, so Moriori only survived on the Chathams ...

In terms of more current research ... archeological, historical and sociological ...

Groups of people settled these islands from East Polynesia ... the group that settled on what we now think of as the mainland developed a culture we now call Māori .. the groups that settled on the Chathams lost contact with the mainland and their cultrure developed slightly differently and are called Moriori ...

The "original inhabitants" were the ancestors of modern Māori - not some separate group that was wiped out .. some people will talk about "proto-Māori" as the people here before the waka arrived ... just the terminology is different - same concept .. because the people who came on the waka were Pacific Islanders and at some point they developed a culture that was different to the one they brought with them ...

That is not to say that Māori history in New Zealand was not bloody and nasty ... just as human history all around the world has been ...

I'm sorry if that conflicts with what you were taught in schools by Pākehā teachers with a vested interest in maintaining the dominant culture and its narratives ...

[Dave Lobster]

No no.. my white pig teachers weren't in this country.

[Banditbandit]

No no.. my white pig teachers weren't in this country.

No sorry, I object to the term "white pig" ...

[scracha]

I said 3 or 4 years ago that the only reason for a cessation in the "troubles" in Northern Ireland was that everybody was so rich due to the bubble economy.

[Clockwork]

I said 3 or 4 years ago that the only reason for a cessation in the "troubles" in Northern Ireland was that everybody was so rich due to the bubble economy.


Perhaps that and the fact that America finally woke up to what its like to be the target of terrorist activity and fund raising there was going to get a whole lot harder!

[Dave Lobster]

Perhaps that and the fact that America finally woke up to what its like to be the target of terrorist activity and fund raising there was going to get a whole lot harder!

Fucking exactly!!!

:cool:

[Oscar]

Perhaps that and the fact that America finally woke up to what its like to be the target of terrorist activity and fund raising there was going to get a whole lot harder!

But the money raised in Chicago and Boston was for Irish Freedom Fighters.
After all, Ulster was "Britain's Vietnam".