What was the final answer regarding race numbers on bikes?

[FROSTY]

I know I'm probably being a lazy shit but I don't recall what the final word was regarding race numbers on the newer race bikes.
Seems to me there is just no way to comply with the size/visibility rules for the 600's with putting the numbers on the tail. Back edge of the fairing on the GSXR600 seems too small unless you happen to have a single number.
So where do ya put your numbers on the late model stuff??

[Deano]

Single number on the tail.

To be honest - that would be the least of my worries about people not conforming to the rules. Performance gains yes - cosmetics no.

[hayd3n]

I know I'm probably being a lazy shit but I don't recall what the final word was regarding race numbers on the newer race bikes.
Seems to me there is just no way to comply with the size/visibility rules for the 600's with putting the numbers on the tail. Back edge of the fairing on the GSXR600 seems too small unless you happen to have a single number.
So where do ya put your numbers on the late model stuff??

on ya helmet or back?

[FROSTY]

Single number on the tail.

To be honest - that would be the least of my worries about people not conforming to the rules. Performance gains yes - cosmetics no.
Ahh heck I got WAAAY too much on my plate with the buisiness to stress on about if someone's got a modified this or that in their bike. This seasons all about remembering which way round you go round a racetrack.
I just wanna make sure that the ol fullas at AMCC Tech inspection don't ping me for numbers in the wrong place. Or too small or summat. :devil2:
Good news is Ive invested in a 600cc Jetski for the next round of the winter series at lake manfield.

[ktm]

Lake Higgins perhaps? Didn't they build the track and drainage? Correct me if I'm wrong.

[kittytamer]

I know I'm probably being a lazy shit but I don't recall what the final word was regarding race numbers on the newer race bikes.
Seems to me there is just no way to comply with the size/visibility rules for the 600's with putting the numbers on the tail. Back edge of the fairing on the GSXR600 seems too small unless you happen to have a single number.
So where do ya put your numbers on the late model stuff??

Numbers go on the front and side. Tail is not specified, so you can put numbers on side fairings

[roadracingoldfart]

Lake Higgins perhaps? Didn't they build the track and drainage? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Your not wrong , BUT . Horizon have nowhere for that much water to go once its on the ground of the surrounding area . The drainage / river system was so backed up the capacity to flood was increased 10 fold. The drainage put into the track grounds really has been great but the amount of water meant it was never going to clear until the backup was dealt with by nature.

[roadracingoldfart]

I know I'm probably being a lazy shit but I don't recall what the final word was regarding race numbers on the newer race bikes.
Seems to me there is just no way to comply with the size/visibility rules for the 600's with putting the numbers on the tail. Back edge of the fairing on the GSXR600 seems too small unless you happen to have a single number.
So where do ya put your numbers on the late model stuff??

If there is a transponder used the number really is only required for infringment identification reasons. Tell them to learn to read the front number and stop being grumpy old officials !!:bleh:
Or just retire from racing , its way to dangerous anyhow for an old fella like yaself.

[FROSTY]

Or just retire from racing , its way to dangerous anyhow for an old fella like yaself.
Yadda yadda you ol ginga you.:devil2: Hey next time you're up visiting warren --im only about 500m from his place.

[Kiwi Graham]

Other than size I dont think there is a definative answer.
The transponder thing will fix recording info each lap but on track identification is an ongoing problem. my answer was to stick a number at the bottom of the belly pan each side, easily seen by marshals and race officals regardless of which angle of dangle is going on at the time.
Also have as big as will fit a nuber on the front and one on the seat unit too

[discodan]

The way I understood it was that you need one at the front and at least one at the rear.

You should be able to fit a number on the top of the tail and it is not too bad so long as your number is not 99 or 66 etc.

[MSTRS]

From the MNZ rulebook...

10.2.3 ROAD RACING (all classes) except the following classes in Appendix A, B, C and F –
see class rules
Size: Minimum width 285mm, minimum height 235mm, oval or rectangular in shape.
Placement: 3 number boards to be affixed or placed upon the motorcycle, in colours
required for the class as follows:
Front: Facing forwards, with not more than 30 degrees forwards from vertical.
Sides: One either side of the motorcycle in a position clearly visible when the rider
(and passenger for sidecars) is seated in their usual riding position.
In a place on separate boards, a space of equivalent size and shape can be on the
bodywork or streamlining.
Figures: Must be clearly legible in the required colour for class, the following
minimum dimensions:
Height of Figure 140mm Space between figures 15mm
Width of Figure 80mm Width of Stroke 25mm

A plain form of figure shall be used with no scrolls or pinstripe.
Colour: In the required colour for the class and of a matt finish to reduce reflection.

You all have a copy of the rulebook, right? Seek ye Chapter 10 for the full info.

Now - I know the rulebook is constantly being dicked with, so what I've quoted above may not be absolutely current. I also know that many bikes today do not allow the above to fit, so liberties are/have been taken. As a marshal, needing to ID bikes on the track, I'd ask that you use some commonsense when sizing/placing numbers.

[Badjelly]

If there is a transponder used the number really is only required for infringment identification reasons.

And for the benefit of the spectators?


Mrs Jelly and I had a great time on Saturday & Sunday spectating at the Nationals at Manfeild. Thanks to VMCC, the volunteers, and the racers and helpers for putting on such a good show.

Listening to the commentator was entertaining, though not always in an entirely good way :msn-wink:. One of the things he mentioned was that he had trouble working out which racer was which because the numbers on the bikes are small, and not always at an angle that makes them easy to see (eg on top of the tailpiece). Er, yes, I'd noticed that myself actually. He explained that the rules used to require big numbers on the side of the bikes so they could be seen by the officials, but now the bikes had transponders that wasn't necessary.

Here's a suggestion: make big numbers on the side of the bikes compulsory, not for the officials but for the spectators. That's assuming that putting on a show for the spectators is one of the points to the whole exercise. (If not, then forget I mentioned it. I'll still gladly come and watch anyway, but I'm not sure about some of the others.)

[FROSTY]

yep--this is what the threads all about mstrs. I think a number on front and as big a number as I can fit on the fairing makes sense.
Maybee its about visability of the numbers and ferk the rules then.
Basicly I cant see how Its physically possible to comply with on one hand the number size rule and on the other with the factory equipment rules on the other hand

[malcy25]

Who says the number has to go on the existing bodywork......

What did people do before body work existed or didn't they race...?:devil2:

[Shaun]

yep--this is what the threads all about mstrs. I think a number on front and as big a number as I can fit on the fairing makes sense.
Maybee its about visability of the numbers and ferk the rules then.
Basicly I cant see how Its physically possible to comply with on one hand the number size rule and on the other with the factory equipment rules on the other hand

Try spending some time on the MNZ site reading the current rules then instaed of wasteing time on here

[FROSTY]

Who says the number has to go on the existing bodywork......

What did people do before body work existed or didn't they race...?:devil2:
we used ruddy great big ol flappy boards on the back of the bike

[FROSTY]

Try spending some time on the MNZ site reading the current rules then instaed of wasteing time on here
MY time to waste if I choose to or not is entirely my decision.

[MSTRS]

Try spending some time on the MNZ site reading the current rules then instaed of wasteing time on here

I googled 'MNZ Rulebook'
The first item in the list was where I took my above quote from.
The thing is, there are heaps of bikes out there racing, that do not comply with the rules. Usually this is because of little, slim seat farings. So the riders put one number on the top. Hard to see from the side on the straights, and impossible to see when the bike is leaning away from the observer. If MNZ really wanted to, they could insist on bolt-on number boards as used to be done and still stated in the rules. The rules allow directly on the bodywork (streamlining) but only when it is practically the same as a bolt-on board to the observer.
Poor old observer is forgotten about with the advent of transponders.

[jellywrestler]

If there is a transponder used the number really is only required for infringment identification reasons. Tell them to learn to read the front number and stop being grumpy old officials !!:bleh:
Or just retire from racing , its way to dangerous anyhow for an old fella like yaself.
Think about the bigger picture. You work for a company who sponsors someone, decide to go to a track for a look and can't figure out who the hell you're supposed to be looking at, go back to work sponsor says how was it....
since transponders have been in numbers have been dismal, a lot of people underestimate the importance of numbers so they tell who is who or they lose interest etc.
make an effort

[roadracingoldfart]

Think about the bigger picture. You work for a company who sponsors someone, decide to go to a track for a look and can't figure out who the hell you're supposed to be looking at, go back to work sponsor says how was it....
since transponders have been in numbers have been dismal, a lot of people underestimate the importance of numbers so they tell who is who or they lose interest etc.
make an effort


I never had an issue with numbers ,se picture , 219257 i race older bikes with lots of room for numbers . I do have sympathy for the people with smaller areas on the bikes and have seen some really bad number sets on bikes . I really do think a good clear front number is vital but as was stated earlier here its easy to mount a number on the fairing , if no fairing then improvise as per the rules on an ice cream lid or whatever.

[roadracingoldfart]

Who says the number has to go on the existing bodywork......

What did people do before body work existed or didn't they race...?:devil2:

We all had bits of plywood available and as long as it was painted the correct colour and didnt cause injury to scuitineers it was deemed ok.
Up until a few years ago i still had my 6 hour plate boards.

[MSTRS]

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