Disgusting politicians

[mashman]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10655960

My answer. No, go and take a flying fuck to yourselves. You get paid enough already, in comparison to other public servants, just drop the entitlements PERIOD if it's for the good of the country... ya know, lead by example...

This decision should not be made by the Remuneration Authority, it should not be made by the unions, it should not be made by the politicnans themselves (ok the Remuneration Authority)... ASK THE PEOPLE PAYING YOUR WAGES... but they won't do that because they know, or at least fear, that they'll be told to go and take the aforementioned flying fornication...

Why are WE not being asked the question?

[Clockwork]

Somebody once suggested (and I agree) Politicians should only be able to vote pay rises to be applicable for the next term of Government.

[mashman]

Somebody once suggested (and I agree) Politicians should only be able to vote pay rises to be applicable for the next term of Government.

So you're fine with the employees giving themselves a pay rise? Funny, that seems to go against some of what is being said in the Teachers thread... DO you value politicians more than teachers?

[oldrider]

So you're fine with the employees giving themselves a pay rise? Funny, that seems to go against some of what is being said in the Teachers thread... DO you value politicians more than teachers?

Good politicians and good teachers are worth their weight in gold because like gold they are hard to find!

You don't find all the lesser metals commanding the same value as precious metals, why is it when it comes to politicians and teachers, they expect us to see them all a equals?

As for allowing them to control their own pay rises, would you put a fox in charge of a chicken house? :confused:

[slofox]

...would you put a fox in charge of a chicken house? :confused:

Good idea - if you're a fox...:devil2:

[mashman]

Good politicians and good teachers are worth their weight in gold because like gold they are hard to find!

You don't find all the lesser metals commanding the same value as precious metals, why is it when it comes to politicians and teachers, they expect us to see them all a equals?

As for allowing them to control their own pay rises, would you put a fox in charge of a chicken house? :confused:

It seems that everyone else thinks it's ok to leave things to Mr Fox. But you gotta pay the good people or they'll go and do what they do somewhere else and we'll lose their taxes and expertise and the sky will fall and the seas will boil because they won't be here anymore :blink:

Something we should be allowed to decide/vote on, is whether the politicians (good and bad, who already get paid well enough, DOUBLE that of teachers), should get another 10% pay rise in place of their future perks. I would vote a resounding NO to this. I expect my money to go into services, not to fund some wankers jaunts for the rest of their lives.

I think the ploppiticians have had it good enough, for long enough.

[Robert Taylor]

I think Chris Carter is the worst example of self serving politicians out there, followed closely by David Garrett who at least had the common decency to resign from parliament.
Someone please correct me if Im wrong, is Chris Carter in his third term at Parliament? In which cases he would be hanging on so that he has ''served'' nine years and is therefore entitled to a pension having served the minimum period to qualify.
Either way he is a self serving leach, like so many of them. The socialist leaches are especially hypocritical because it belies their stated philosophy.

[MIXONE]

Agree with you there Robert.I reckon if I see carter on the street I'll probably spit at his feet.

[Pussy]

Agree with you there Robert.I reckon if I see carter on the street I'll probably spit at his feet.

Don't ask him if you can "bum" a smoke......

[awayatc]

Agree with you there Robert.I reckon if I see carter on the street I'll probably spit at his feet.

I'm sure that with some practice you can hit higher.....

[MIXONE]

Don't ask him if you can "bum" a smoke......

Or if he's got a spare fag:sick:

[Virago]

...Someone please correct me if Im wrong, is Chris Carter in his third term at Parliament? In which cases he would be hanging on so that he has ''served'' nine years and is therefore entitled to a pension having served the minimum period to qualify...

He's been around longer than most people realise - he'll complete five terms (15 years) as MP if he hangs in until the next election.

There's no pension benefit for him to hang in there - unlike some of your beloved Tory MPs - like Katherine Rich, who completed her three terms as (an electorally unwanted) List MP before retiring on a comfortable lifetime pension (with perks). She was tipped to be a rising star in the new National Government, but she didn't need to do any more...

[Robert Taylor]

He's been around longer than most people realise - he'll complete five terms (15 years) as MP if he hangs in until the next election.

There's no pension benefit for him to hang in there - unlike some of your beloved Tory MPs - like Katherine Rich, who completed her three terms as (an electorally unwanted) List MP before retiring on a comfortable lifetime pension (with perks). She was tipped to be a rising star in the new National Government, but she didn't need to do any more...

Thanks for clarifying that and yes I have almost as much contempt for Tory politicians who do the minimum to be eligible for that lucrative pension and other benefits. But moreso for the lefties who espouse equality but happily and hypocritically take the perks anyway.
The honourable thing would have been for Carter to resign and test his body of support by contesting a by-election. But that is whay he didnt do so as he already knows what the outcome would be. He has got to be about the most despicable politician around at present.

[Virago]

...The honourable thing would have been for Carter to resign and test his body of support by contesting a by-election. But that is whay he didnt do so as he already knows what the outcome would be. He has got to be about the most despicable politician around at present.

I agree to a certain point. I suspect that Carter will keep a very low profile over the next year, and will be all but invisible in parliament, while drawing his nice salary package. He may indeed be happy to pay the draconian $10 per day "fine" for being absent from The House on each sitting day.

In fairness though, he has a huge majority in his Te Atatu electorate, and still has a loyal electorate base. He may choose to pour his time into local electorate work to avoid the limelight, which is no bad thing - time will tell.

I have no real issue with elected MPs remaining if ousted from their political party. I detest the List MPs who think they have a mandate to remain in parliament when ejected from their party. At least David Garrett did the right thing.

[oldrider]

It seems that everyone else thinks it's ok to leave things to Mr Fox. But you gotta pay the good people or they'll go and do what they do somewhere else and we'll lose their taxes and expertise and the sky will fall and the seas will boil because they won't be here anymore :blink:

Something we should be allowed to decide/vote on, is whether the politicians (good and bad, who already get paid well enough, DOUBLE that of teachers), should get another 10% pay rise in place of their future perks. I would vote a resounding NO to this. I expect my money to go into services, not to fund some wankers jaunts for the rest of their lives.

I think the ploppiticians have had it good enough, for long enough.

True, their current performance review is supposed to be every three years! (sort of)

They have protected themselves against real performance reviews by the electorate with the brand of MMP they cunningly foisted upon us!

How many have we seen fired out of electoral seats only to reappear through the "back door" of the party vote! :brick:

The electorate does not vote a government "in", the add hock election results simply gives them permission to form a government of their (the politicians) "own" choosing, it's out of the electorates hands by this stage!

The electorate can sometimes vote them out but the number of ducks that need to be lined up for that to happen is loaded in the "politicians favour" and largely controlled by the media!

Once in parliament it's harder to get rid of them than it is to get rid of a dose of the clap, current situation is a classic example of that!

I urge everyone think carefully about the vote you make on MMP or it's replacement!

I personally do not want to return to FPP (first past the post) but prefer the STV (single transferable vote) because it makes the elected politician more responsible to the electorate! (the people who vote for them)

What would you all prefer? A dose of the pox or Nick Smith? It will be easier to get rid of the pox, believe me! :rolleyes:

[Jonno.]

MP's should get average wage in NZ and a chance to join Kiwisaver :yes:

[Brian d marge]

They should get More money and more perks , and do A LOT less work ,,,,

free meals at burger king and free drinks and food at Bellamy's ( hang on they already do )

oh and free trips to ,,,ummmm Rarotonga , or Thailand , no wait Amsterdam

oh and one last think , please make your vote count , Vote for ME!!

what ever you want I Will give it you , ( well I will promise anyway !)

Vote for me! not him , but ME!

Stephen

[98tls]

Fuck em,they deserve jack shit like the rest of us will get this coming wage round.Just for one night dig up Rob chuck a set of cables on him for a jump start set him up with crate of Whisky and sit him down with Rodney Snide and watch the outcome,at the very least you wouldnt notice when he chundered all over him before calling "election'.

[Clockwork]

So you're fine with the employees giving themselves a pay rise? Funny, that seems to go against some of what is being said in the Teachers thread... DO you value politicians more than teachers?

They're already giving themselves pay rises (I'd rather they couldn't but....) at least this way they'd have to get themselves re-elected in order to collect!

[Banditbandit]

I think Chris Carter is the worst example of self serving politicians out there, followed closely by David Garrett who at least had the common decency to resign from parliament.
Someone please correct me if Im wrong, is Chris Carter in his third term at Parliament? In which cases he would be hanging on so that he has ''served'' nine years and is therefore entitled to a pension having served the minimum period to qualify.
Either way he is a self serving leach, like so many of them. The socialist leaches are especially hypocritical because it belies their stated philosophy.

Naaa .. they're all as bad as each other .. the right preaches self-sufficiency and self-help ... and then after three terms they get all the state support they want to deny solo parents ... and more ... their retirement plan (which can be at age 30 if they get elected young enough) would probably pay for for or five solo parents with three children ... Who's ripping off the system ?

Then they get directorships in companies, etc etc .. if beneficiaries were double dipping like that they'd get slung in jail ...

No politician can claim the moral high ground ...

[mashman]

They're already giving themselves pay rises (I'd rather they couldn't but....) at least this way they'd have to get themselves re-elected in order to collect!

Well, the Remuneration Authority gives them payrises (but yeah, same diff lol), the pollies just reluctantly accept it :blink:... It's yet another rort that the sheeple accept as a way of life... Ahhh Guy, where are ya when we need ya :)