Biaggi will finally be able to sleep at night...

[slowpoke]

....knowing he's out-Rossi'd Rossi.

Weeeell, not really, but being the first Italian to win WSB....and on an Italian Bike, with an Italian company the main sponsor will have him thinking he's stolen some of Rossi's Ducati powered thunder next year. If he does it this weekend at Imola it will be the perfect Italian storm as he brings it home on Italian soil.

I was hoping Haslam would get up but it's a loooooong shot now. I'm not a Biaggi fan, he's "too tightly wound" for my liking (and how can you not be jealous of someone marrying Miss Italy?) but I can't say he doesn't deserve it, he's hardly put a foot wrong all season.

[scracha]

I was hoping Haslam would get up but it's a loooooong shot now. I'm not a Biaggi fan, he's "too tightly wound" for my liking (and how can you not be jealous of someone marrying Miss Italy?) but I can't say he doesn't deserve it, he's hardly put a foot wrong all season.

I'm a huge Biaggi fan and he's certainly shut the mouths of all the naysayers who a few years ago said he should retire.

[BMWST?]

often not the best qualifier etc but you know he has a good race set up.

[nutjob]

I'm a huge Biaggi fan and he's certainly shut the mouths of all the naysayers who a few years ago said he should retire.

I have seen a few documentaries involving Max, and I have to say he comes across as a bit of wanker. Is he going to to make a return to the MotoGp?

[Shaun]

I have seen a few documentaries involving Max, and I have to say he comes across as a bit of wanker. Is he going to to make a return to the MotoGp?

No way, he prefers it in the easier scene, and no one would have him back, WSB champion or not

[scracha]

No way, he prefers it in the easier scene, and no one would have him back, WSB champion or not


Easier scene? I think Troy Bayliss destroyed that myth in 2006. Spies isn't doing to shonky a job either in his first full year.

As for talent, Rossi aside, I don't recall anyone else being so successful on both the 500cc smokers and the MotoGP bikes? Obviously Honda black-listed him from riding for them after their fuckup in 2005 but shit, it's not lack of talent that stops Yamaha taking him back but his age. The guys now hitting 40 so probably doesn't give a fuck.

[Shaun]

Easier scene? I think Troy Bayliss destroyed that myth in 2006. Spies isn't doing to shonky a job either in his first full year.

As for talent, Rossi aside, I don't recall anyone else being so successful on both the 500cc smokers and the MotoGP bikes? Obviously Honda black-listed him from riding for them after their fuckup in 2005 but shit, it's not lack of talent that stops Yamaha taking him back but his age. The guys now hitting 40 so probably doesn't give a fuck.


It is deffinately easier to ride a Superbike than a GP bike mate, the GP bikes are so rigid, you have to be exact with every thing you do, where as the SB has more chassis flex, allowing you to play with it more, and get away with more

[pritch]

Biaggi has a mammoth tome of an excuse book, although he's had to use it less of late, but I for one am really pleased to see him doing well on the Aprilia.

[roogazza]

Silly season latest, Haslam to BMW and Haga one last chance on a supported Aprilia.That's the goss anyway ?
Kawasaki man Sykes pulls one out of the bag to be on pole for Imola.

[imdying]

I think Rossi will be thinking, "Wow, Max actually won something after 250s... funny that he had to wimp out and go to WSBK to do it" :laugh:

[White trash]

Silly season latest, Haslam to BMW and Haga one last chance on a supported Aprilia.That's the goss anyway ?
Kawasaki man Sykes pulls one out of the bag to be on pole for Imola.

Why the fuck, after such an impressive season on the GSXR, would Haslam switch to Bee Emm? Or why would Suzuki let him go?

[frogfeaturesFZR]

Suzuki's pulled the factory support from next year.
Only running satellite teams.

[slowpoke]

Why the fuck, after such an impressive season on the GSXR, would Haslam switch to Bee Emm? Or why would Suzuki let him go?

Haslam has got a very astute manager and while he had a 2 year contract with Alstare Suzuki he had an out clause if he didn't receive factory support. Batta (Alstare team prinicipal) must be pulling his hair out at such a great season and Suzuki "looking after" Haslam the same way they did Spies. There's a good news release here: http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2010/Sep/100927a.htm where Batta shows his obvious frustration.

[Sensei]

I think Rossi will be thinking, "Wow, Max actually won something after 250s... funny that he had to wimp out and go to WSBK to do it" :laugh:

Yea it is so easy to Win a SBK World Championship title now adays on a brand new model in its second year of development !

[gixerracer]

....knowing he's out-Rossi'd Rossi.

Weeeell, not really, but being the first Italian to win WSB....and on an Italian Bike, with an Italian company the main sponsor will have him thinking he's stolen some of Rossi's Ducati powered thunder next year. If he does it this weekend at Imola it will be the perfect Italian storm as he brings it home on Italian soil.

I was hoping Haslam would get up but it's a loooooong shot now. I'm not a Biaggi fan, he's "too tightly wound" for my liking (and how can you not be jealous of someone marrying Miss Italy?) but I can't say he doesn't deserve it, he's hardly put a foot wrong all season.

Do you honestly think he gives a toss as to what mad max has done I really doubt it

[CHOPPA]

Why the fuck, after such an impressive season on the GSXR, would Haslam switch to Bee Emm? Or why would Suzuki let him go?

I heard he offered to pay BMW to ride there bike

[slowpoke]

Do you honestly think he gives a toss as to what mad max has done I really doubt it

Ya got it wrong fella (you were much smarter last year, must be a Honda thing), Rossi won't give a shit about Biaggi.....but I reckon Biaggi would dearly love to outshine Rossi for change.

[pritch]

OK there some knowledgeable types hereabout so some questions svp?

Since Rossi (I think?) started dangling his foot it seems to have gained widespread currency. Up until now, invariably the left foot.

Sufuoglu at Imola was consistently dangling his right boot and only his right. I seem to recall someone in the SBK doing it too but it was getting late.

Is it that he doesn't use his foot brake?
Do Muslims do things with their left foot that we'd do with our right?
(Like they do with their hands.) :shutup:
Was there some obscure technicality just making it appear that way?
(As if a photo print had been developed back to front.)

Who is going to be the first ambidextrous dangler?

Inquiring minds want to know...:yes:

[Sensei]

I believe most riders now adays use a thumb operated rear brake Ron so I guess that would allow said people/riders to take their right foot off , read sometime back that Rossi was putting his foot out just to put off others passing him ??

[Oscar]

I met him once.

He's very um, focused.

[roogazza]

Dangle ! This man would turn in his grave.

[kittytamer]

I believe most riders now adays use a thumb operated rear brake Ron so I guess that would allow said people/riders to take their right foot off , read sometime back that Rossi was putting his foot out just to put off others passing him ??

Leon Haslam spent a whole day going round Donington with data logging equipment to find out what effect the 'dangly leg' on corner entry. His data showed no difference so he carried on riding as before.
I think it looks bloody un-tidy and just wrong and there is some impiricle evidence that it doesn't actually do anything helpfull, so why are so many in MotoGP doing it? Just to copy Rossi I guess. I hope this is a fad that passes as it just looks stupid.

[roogazza]

Why the fuck, after such an impressive season on the GSXR, would Haslam switch to Bee Emm? Or why would Suzuki let him go?

Pretty much confirmed with Haslam to BMW 2011.

No wonder our domestic club racing is suffering,it filters down from factories like Suzuki tightening the purse strings.

[White trash]

Do you honestly think he gives a toss as to what mad max has done I really doubt it

Shutup poofter.

[White trash]

Pretty much confirmed with Haslam to BMW 2011.

No wonder our domestic club racing is suffering,it filters down from factories like Suzuki tightening the purse strings.

Unsure if your serious or if this is one of those dry Gaz jibes.

[White trash]

I heard he offered to pay BMW to ride there bike

Don't get me wrong dude, I wasn't bagging the BMW. Just the move really confused me given his results but others have pointed out why.

[slowpoke]

OK there some knowledgeable types hereabout so some questions svp?

Since Rossi (I think?) started dangling his foot it seems to have gained widespread currency. Up until now, invariably the left foot.

Sufuoglu at Imola was consistently dangling his right boot and only his right. I seem to recall someone in the SBK doing it too but it was getting late.

Is it that he doesn't use his foot brake?
Do Muslims do things with their left foot that we'd do with our right?
(Like they do with their hands.) :shutup:
Was there some obscure technicality just making it appear that way?
(As if a photo print had been developed back to front.)

Who is going to be the first ambidextrous dangler?

Inquiring minds want to know...:yes:

Yep, I was watching Sofuoglu and the dangly leg was giving me the shits, and I couldn't help thinking it was to put off Laverty. He almost doubles the width of himself and the bike and would have to affect Laverty's decision making regarding his line if he was to have a go. It would actually be quite interesting if someone ignored it and collected a leg on the way through....who would be deemed at fault?

[roogazza]

Unsure if your serious or if this is one of those dry Gaz jibes.

As a dead dingos donga, but it is for real.

[imdying]

Yea it is so easy to Win a SBK World Championship title now adays on a brand new model in its second year of development !Sure, with the right money behind you.

[denill]

Dangle ! This man would turn in his grave.

Good point Gaz and it makes me cringe when I see the leg hanging out. 'They' had style. maybe slower, but hey, it was poetry in motion.

In fact I would have thought that losing the weight on a footpeg in a corner would upset the balance and weight transfer adversely. Seems I got that wrong?

[pritch]

Good point Gaz and it makes me cringe when I see the leg hanging out. 'They' had style. maybe slower, but hey, it was poetry in motion.


Back in the day Alan Shepherd was regarded as having one of the tidier styles as he did not hang a knee in as most did. I must check YouTube to see if there's a clip of him in action. No YT at work.

Still, about the dangly foot thing, I can't help feel they do it to make themselves a bigger object to pass, even if they do say it makes them feel more balanced, but until this last weekend it was always the left leg.

Mick Doohan had a thumb operated rear brake but he was riding with a damaged leg.
I've never heard of anyone else doing that.

[denill]

The 'dangly foot'?

Is it similar to the off road technique when cornering and putting the inside foot out towards the front axle. It certainly helps, but not sure why. I think it acts as a sort of counter balance?

But this RR 'dangly foot' thing seems different, as they just let it dangle downwards. :blink:

Where's Shaun when ya need him?

[DEATH_INC.]

The 'dangly foot'?

Is it similar to the off road technique when cornering and putting the inside foot out towards the front axle. It certainly helps, but not sure why. I think it acts as a sort of counter balance?

Lol, the offroad thing has NOTHING to do with balance...it has a lot to do with keeping your foot from getting ripped off the peg and jammed under the bike though.....as for the rossi gp style, who knows, the real fast guys (lorenzo and biaggi to name a couple, oh, and wt too) don't do it. Maybe it's a gay thing.... :facepalm:

[denill]

Lol, the offroad thing has NOTHING to do with balance...it has a lot to do with keeping your foot from getting ripped off the peg and jammed under the bike though....

Not convinced. I reckon it assists.

[White trash]

the real fast guys (lorenzo and biaggi to name a couple, oh, and wt too) don't do it. Maybe it's a gay thing.... :facepalm:

Nope. The reason I don't do it is I managed to run over my own foot (without crashing thankyou) at the hairpin at Manfeild once. From that day on it was feet firmly on the pegs for me! Nothing to do with pace bro :D

[DEATH_INC.]

Not convinced. I reckon it assists.
Watch the fast guys, they keep both feet on the pegs unless they really have to lift 'em off.

[CHOPPA]

Watch the fast guys, they keep both feet on the pegs unless they really have to lift 'em off.

Its also a safty measure if the front tucks sorta like having your knee down

[discodan]

Where Kenan was swinging his leg out the most was on a corner that he had to change direction and I have seen plenty of othe riders doing the same. As a bonus, it made him wider and harder to pass at that point. By the time he wanted to use his rear brake his foot was already back on the peg.

I was watching his foot dancing around on the back brake so I'm guessing that he doesn't use a thumb brake.

[Madness]

This thread needs more pics.
http://www.motorsport.com/photos/f1/2006/sm/f1-2006-sm-xp-0775.jpg

[slowpoke]

The whole dangly leg thing also makes a mockery of our banning motards from general road racing: the dangly leg is one of the main drivers behind the separation.

[gatch]

Nope. The reason I don't do it is I managed to run over my own foot (without crashing thankyou) at the hairpin at Manfeild once. From that day on it was feet firmly on the pegs for me! Nothing to do with pace bro :D

That's even funnier than someone shooting them self in the foot.

You muppet.

[denill]

The whole dangly leg thing also makes a mockery of our banning motards from general road racing: the dangly leg is one of the main drivers behind the separation.

That's a fact............ The RRs didn't like the 'leg hanging out'?

[slowpoke]

Mick Doohan had a thumb operated rear brake but he was riding with a damaged leg.
I've never heard of anyone else doing that.

It's reasonably common amongst the guns nowadays too. Mick dominating as he did lotsa folks copied him and it's filtered through BSB, WSB, MotoGP etc. Apparently the fine motor skills in your hand make it much easier to regulate the brake than with your booted foot.

The coroner actually attributed the left thumb brake on Robert Dunlop's bike to contributing to his death. His Honda RS250 seized at 150mph, and when he went to whip in the clutch he inadvertently applied the brake as well, flipping him over the bars:

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/sport/sportresults/mcn/2009/february/23-128/feb2609-robert-dunlop-death-inquest/



That's a fact............ The RRs didn't like the 'leg hanging out'?

Yeah, that and the different lines they took seemed to be the major grievance of the road racers racing against 'em....we'll ignore the getting beaten by a chook chaser angle for the moment:doh:

[lostinflyz]

It's reasonably common amongst the guns nowadays too. Mick dominating as he did lotsa folks copied him and it's filtered through BSB, WSB, MotoGP etc. Apparently the fine motor skills in your hand make it much easier to regulate the brake than with your booted foot.

The coroner actually attributed the left thumb brake on Robert Dunlop's bike to contributing to his death. His Honda RS250 seized at 150mph, and when he went to whip in the clutch he inadvertently applied the brake as well, flipping him over the bars:



The only guy who uses a thumb brake as far as i know in GP is Dovi. There not very common (someone asked alex briggs on twitter about it a while back, when rossi was returning with his damaged leg). Not sure about WSBK. The TT guys use them a whole lot more.

Hard to believe Dunlop got it wrong with the brake, he had raced with only a thumb front brake for 12 odd years. Theres some great shots in his bio where it looks like he has no front brakes cause theres no right lever.

[roogazza]

Nope. The reason I don't do it is I managed to run over my own foot
You must have long legs, or were you sitting on the tank lol

The only time my leg ever came out on the road was (often) when it was an 'oh shit ' moment that was to be, either saved or not.

Doohans thumbbrake, I wasn't awhere it was widely copied ?

[DEATH_INC.]

Doohans thumbbrake, I wasn't awhere it was widely copied ?
Yep, i was on a website the other day that still has thumb brake master cylinders for sale. Seemingly everyone used them for a while.....
http://stores.sportbiketrackgear.com/Detail.bok?no=104

[Cleve]

What's all the bloody dangly leg and thumb brake comments got to do with the thread title??!!
Anyway congrats to Biaggi - another World title after many years.
Sufoglu and Laverty - well what can we say except look forward to more of the same in the deciding final championship round.

[pritch]

What's all the bloody dangly leg and thumb brake comments got to do with the thread title??!!
.

That'd be my fault, there was an open thread relating to the same meeting and I just didn't have the energy to start a new thread. :whistle:

[Shaun]

What's all the bloody dangly leg and thumb brake comments got to do with the thread title??!!
Anyway congrats to Biaggi - another World title after many years.
Sufoglu and Laverty - well what can we say except look forward to more of the same in the deciding final championship round.

Sufoglu has amazed me with his comments about the crash " He did it on purpose" what a Fuk tard, why would you make your self crash in the first place? Eugene is just prepared to push all to get to the front, and bloody good on him

PS, Fuk the Biaggi thread

[Shaun]

The 'dangly foot'?

Is it similar to the off road technique when cornering and putting the inside foot out towards the front axle. It certainly helps, but not sure why. I think it acts as a sort of counter balance?

But this RR 'dangly foot' thing seems different, as they just let it dangle downwards. :blink:

Where's Shaun when ya need him?


Hiding in the dark room.

My thoughts on it are, I think the leg out thing started with Pysicologigal self warfare, ie, when you look way way through a corner, in your head you have already done it, finished with it really, ( Freddie Spencer was my hero for this work way back when, and front tyre sliding) and I believe apart of this leg dangling is that as well, ie, your leg has gone into the turn already, so mentally you feal committed and finished with it.

There is a weight distrabution thing with it also, but I truly believe it as my first pharagraph on it, A MIND GAME.

If I believe my hand is a car, it is a car, simple.

Not to mention the 5 Daughters that travel with it:sunny:

[lostinflyz]

Yep, i was on a website the other day that still has thumb brake master cylinders for sale. Seemingly everyone used them for a while.....
http://stores.sportbiketrackgear.com/Detail.bok?no=104

Geoff Maloney who runs gptech has been helping me out a bit building my aprilia. I've got one on the way over with a few other bits if someone wants to get one, and not pay shipping.

www.gptechllc.com

[pritch]

( Freddie Spencer was my hero for this work way back when, and front tyre sliding)

I read a recent interview with him in which he said he learned the front wheel thing when riding on wet clay. Then he transferred that to 130mph corners...

He also said that he could do this with such precision that at the end of the race he would have only varied his track about four inches over the entire course of the race.

Sadly his wife has left him, his business has folded, and he's selling his race bikes.
He came across as a nice guy, I wish him well.

[Shaun]

I read a recent interview with him in which he said he learned the front wheel thing when riding on wet clay. Then he transferred that to 130mph corners...

He also said that he could do this with such precision that at the end of the race he would have only varied his track about four inches over the entire course of the race.

Sadly his wife has left him, his business has folded, and he's selling his race bikes.
He came across as a nice guy, I wish him well.

Read the same interview. I used to spend hours watching vids of Freddie racing years ago, and he 100% could slide the front end in he 4" Zone he spoke of, I remember the first time I saw him do it, and was convinced a crash was coming, but O no, and then he repeated it lap after after lap.

Him and Mich Doohan were the 2 most technical riders I have ever studied

Would have been good to have had Matt Maladin in the world scene instead of the AMA all this time, he was another extremelly precise rider and could have been a world champion in any class of racing I think, I Guess he must have just liked his income and life style in the USA, big shame really

[roogazza]

I read a recent interview with him in which he said he learned the front wheel thing when riding on wet clay. Then he transferred that to 130mph corners...

He also said that he could do this with such precision that at the end of the race he would have only varied his track about four inches over the entire course of the race.

Sadly his wife has left him, his business has folded, and he's selling his race bikes.
He came across as a nice guy, I wish him well.

I watched that too (will try and find it) on either 'youtube' or maybe sky Doc ? Things aren't going so well for him, but came across as a nice fella. Brilliant, but just couldn't get over his arm problems.
A very good mate was go'fer in his team of 85 when he won both 250 and 500. Unusual creature, as are most of the best. G.

[White trash]

( Freddie Spencer was my hero for this work way back when, and front tyre sliding)

Ahhh Freddie Spencer, what a genius. We have him to thank (obviously) for the almighty MVX250. If he hadn't of done so well on the V3, Honda would never have thought it a good idea to build them, then I'd have nothing to rebuild......

[denill]

But he's still an arsehole. :yes:
http://crash.net/world+superbikes/news/163920/1/crutchlow_i_didnt_expect_that_reaction.html

Have only recently realised - he is the only world class rider I have actively disliked.