The Hon. Judith Collins and her trusty coppers wonder why they have so little respect [Archive]

shrub

27th September 2010, 10:17

Sunday a mate of mine and I went for a ride up the coast and stopped at Cheviot for gas. My mate felt the need to refuel himself and suggested a cafe about 200m down the road, paid and turned down the road. I followed and because i have a lovely sounding motorcycle gave her a quick squirt to enjoy that triple snarl, slowed down and pulled into the cafe. I had taken my lid and gloves off, and was admiring a Rolls Royce parked beside me when I heard an annoying noise, looked around and there was a little constable standing by my elbow looking indignant.

Constable: "Did you just come from that gas station?"
Shrub: "Yep." Maybe he wanted a report on the service I got? Or had I won a prize for something?
Constable: "You were travelling at a hell of a speed'
Shrub: "Really? How fast was I going?"
Constable: "You were doing between 60 and 65 kmh"
Shrub: "No I wasn't - I didn't get out of first gear for gods sake, I doubt I got over 50". Now the Thunderbird has many characteristics, but "fast" is not one of them, and first only hits 60 if you don't mind hurting engines. As well as that the road was wet, I was planning to stop about 200m down the road and hard braking on the wet is to be avoided; so I had no intention of going fast.
Constable: "What do you do for a living?"
Shrub (wondering if the next question would be "what star sign are you? followed by "I'm a Gemini, would you like to meet for a do-nut?": "I'm a marketing consultant"
Constable: "Then you have no experience in estimating speed - I do, and it's my opinion that you were doing between 60 and 65 kmh"
Shrub: "I have ridden that bike for nearly 3 years and over 20,000 kms, so I have a lot of experience at what it feels like at various speeds, and it's my opinion I was doing around 50"
Constable: "well it's my opinion you were doing between 60 and 65, and it's my opinion that counts".

At this stage our noble enforcer of Her Majesty's laws and protector of widows and orphans was getting visibly distressed and I was getting bored with him so I made the decision to stop playing him before he exploded and arrested me for being too ugly for my bike or something.

Shrub: "OK, well that's fine then. Will that be all?"

My new-found friend realised that there was little more he could do, so proceeded to check licenses, rego, marital status etc, then radioed base to check that Shrub and his Thunderbird Sport weren't desperate fugitives from the law and the missing masterminds of 9/11. It seemed that my myriad sins had escaped the notice of our constabulary and he ended his radio call.

Shrub: "All good then?"
Constable: (Begrudgingly) "Yes".
Shrub: "Excellent. Have a nice day".

And our law enforcement professionals wonder why they have so little respect from the General Public, especially as they didn't even bother to send a bobby round when I got burgled.

rapid van cleef

27th September 2010, 10:19

hmmmmmm. what a prick, power hungry nazi cop!

shrub

27th September 2010, 10:21

hmmmmmm. what a prick, power hungry nazi cop!

Frustrated and angry little Nazi cop. My mate reckons he was distressed because we didn't carry on out of town giving him the chance to chase us and get a nice fat ticket for his weekly target.

Banditbandit

27th September 2010, 10:22

Yeah. The officious little shits like that mean that our perceptions of police officers are skewed ....

The last two to stop me were so nice about it that I was mildly surprised when I got a ticket ... ('cept one of those was for 136 klicks - so I would have been more surprised to be let off ... )

R6_kid

27th September 2010, 11:00

you should have knocked him the fuck out.

JimO

27th September 2010, 11:15

you should have knocked him the fuck out.

yea that would have showed him:facepalm:

scumdog

27th September 2010, 11:28

you should have knocked him the fuck out.

Another cyber-warrior strapping on his virtual fighting suit I see....:shifty:

imdying

27th September 2010, 11:38

Another cyber-warrior strapping on his virtual fighting suit I see....:shifty:I wouldn't get too smug... the motivation that makes cyber warriors mouth off about things like that, that's the same motivation that makes an entire group of people stand around and do nothing when a cop is getting a kicking from some wanker.

scumdog

27th September 2010, 11:42

I wouldn't get too smug... the motivation that makes cyber warriors mouth off about things like that, that's the same motivation that makes an entire group of people stand around and do nothing when a cop is getting a kicking from some wanker.

Pfft!
So what's new?

Mostly people stand around when ANYBODY is getting a kicking....hoping the poice will deal with it...won't be any cyber warriors watching though 'cos not too many kickings take place near key-boards.

pzkpfw

27th September 2010, 11:44

They don't like you giving her a quick squirt in public.

SMOKEU

27th September 2010, 11:50

You got off lightly. He could have done you for unnecessary exhibition of acceleration if he really wanted to.

imdying

27th September 2010, 12:00

Pfft!
So what's new?

Mostly people stand around when ANYBODY is getting a kicking....hoping the poice will deal with it...won't be any cyber warriors watching though 'cos not too many kickings take place near key-boards.I know that living and working in a dinky little shit hole like you do, knowing everyone by name etc etc, means it's a situation that is unlikely to affect you. Be so gratious as to spare a thought for other members of your brotherhood.

You're saying that mostly people stand around, and that's likely a fair comment, based on far more experience in the matter than I'm ever likely to have. All I'm saying is, we should not let it get to the point where everywhere does.

Deano

27th September 2010, 12:11

You're saying that mostly people stand around, and that's likely a fair comment, based on far more experience in the matter than I'm ever likely to have. All I'm saying is, we should not let it get to the point where everywhere does.

Well the Gubbmint legislated against "standing around" - $500 fine for not assisting an officer when requested....unless you're female.

Personally I would prefer that the Police had (and deserved) respect so that Joe Public would want to try and help them out.

miloking

27th September 2010, 12:39

Well the Gubbmint legislated against "standing around" - $500 fine for not assisting an officer when requested....unless you're female.

Personally I would prefer that the Police had (and deserved) respect so that Joe Public would want to try and help them out.

LOL wut? So let me get this right...copper is on the street getting shit kicked out of him by 3 large samoan looking rugby players and "I" can get fine for not joining in to tell them that i would like to help this little fuckwit....

What a great bunch of lawmakers we have in this country...

All i can offer him as "assistance" is a one free phone call from my mobile when they are done with him...(and probably after i shook their hands)

Banditbandit

27th September 2010, 12:47

LOL wut? So let me get this right...copper is on the street getting shit kicked out of him by 3 large samoan looking rugby players and "I" can get fine for not joining in to tell them that i would like to help this little fuckwit....

What a great bunch of lawmakers we have in this country...

All i can offer him as "assistance" is a one free phone call from my mobile when they are done with him...(and probably after i shook their hands)

Yeah mate .. you can be prosecuted for doing nothing ... a just might accept that a little runt taking on there huge Samoans would have been just suicidal .. but the cops can take you to court anyway ... costing you lawyers fees, etc etc .. even if you get off ...

miloking

27th September 2010, 12:54

Yeah mate .. you can be prosecuted for doing nothing ... a just might accept that a little runt taking on there huge Samoans would have been just suicidal .. but the cops can take you to court anyway ... costing you lawyers fees, etc etc .. even if you get off ...

ok glad we clarified this...even one samoan would be one too many to take on, and jumping in to help a cop is as offensive for most people as telling them their mum "sucks cock" or something...so iam likely to get beaten trying to "help" copper that would be happy punish me with all sorts of copper bullshit on a good day. .

Maybe...if the cop asks for help i will just run off an come back with "glass of water" or something like that....and then just play stupid :D

scumdog

27th September 2010, 13:14

I know that living and working in a dinky little shit hole like you do, knowing everyone by name etc etc, means it's a situation that is unlikely to affect you. Be so gratious as to spare a thought for other members of your brotherhood.

So..you KNOW a 'dinky little shit hole' is the only place I've ever worked eh???:shifty:

Oh, BTW not 'everyone' knows me - for instance virtually all of those 'loser-hangers-on-to-prison-inmates' who moved down this way to 'support' their rellies in the prison just up the road don't know me..and there are others similarly who don't know me.

But let's not get even more childish than those who have adopted the 'a cop spoke to me in a really really nasty and horrid way so I'm never going to help him or any other cop that might need my help' attitude.

Kickaha

27th September 2010, 13:19

.and then just play stupid :D

I don't think you'd have to try very hard to do that

imdying

27th September 2010, 13:20

Well the Gubbmint legislated against "standing around" - $500 fine for not assisting an officer when requested....unless you're female.I don't think anyone needs to fear that; a copper with his head kicked in like a melon isn't going to ticket you for that :laugh:

Personally I would prefer that the Police had (and deserved) respect so that Joe Public would want to try and help them out.Likewise.

All i can offer him as "assistance" is a one free phone call from my mobile when they are done with him...(and probably after i shook their hands)I'd rather you did at least that, rather than just walked away without looking back.

So..you KNOW a 'dinky little shit hole' is the only place I've ever worked eh???:shifty:

Oh, BTW not 'everyone' knows me - for instance virtually all of those 'loser-hangers-on-to-prison-inmates' who moved down this way to 'support' their rellies in the prison just up the road don't know me..and there are others similarly who don't know me.So much for "I'm impervious to troll bait" :banana:

But let's not get even more childish than those who have adopted the 'a cop spoke to me in a really really nasty and horrid way so I'm never going to help him or any other cop that might need my help' attitude.I'm not really interested in whether the attitude you mention is juvenile or not, I'd rather it didn't exist outright, but jokers like the OP met aren't helping your lot.

All I ask is that say you're ever in the position of guiding a new constable who thinks a bit much of himself, just remind him that one dark night he might need some help from Joe Public. That's all.

scumdog

27th September 2010, 14:09

So much for "I'm impervious to troll bait" :banana:

I'm not really interested in whether the attitude you mention is juvenile or not, I'd rather it didn't exist outright, but jokers like the OP met aren't helping your lot.

All I ask is that say you're ever in the position of guiding a new constable who thinks a bit much of himself, just remind him that one dark night he might need some help from Joe Public. That's all.

Trolled...

imdying

27th September 2010, 14:12

Only a little man, but given your post makes out like you don't give two shits what the public thinks of the NZ police, I doubt you care much :msn-wink:

shrub

27th September 2010, 14:14

you should have knocked him the fuck out.

No, it was more fun winding him up.

Juzz976

27th September 2010, 14:54

I'd help a cop out in that situation as long as they did not provoke the attack.

I've seen both situations and have stood back while a cop got his rightfully deserved beans and the guy he was picking on didn't go over the top.
Other time pulled guy off cop only to get taken down by another cop arriving at scene. I realised it was a misunderstanding and just restrained him long enough to explain the situation, took a while and first cop was again receiving a hiding.

Got pulled over by same guy not long afterwards and he gave me a warning about failing to stop at a give way....oh well no ones perfect, must have passed his attitude test cos he didn't remember me and I still got no fines (young male tax) for not breaking the law.

pc220

27th September 2010, 16:25

Big Dave

27th September 2010, 17:56

Constable: "What do you do for a living?"

BD: "I'm a professional test rider, often requested by manufacturers for my empathy and understanding of the vehicles, and posessing an uncanny knack for getting speeds and optimum efficiency correct."

Unfortunately the Bike cops I've encountered usually just say 'Yeah - I know who you are' before I get my wallet out.

shrub

27th September 2010, 18:28

Unfortunately the Bike cops I've encountered usually just say 'Yeah - I know who you are' before I get my wallet out.

It's been a long time since the cops knew who I was, and that was usually followed by a none-too-polite request to empty my pack and pockets

meteor

27th September 2010, 19:50

I don't think you'd have to try very hard to do that

Now that's gold... well done sir

Littleman

27th September 2010, 20:31

Come on you white middle class males... fight the power!!!!

R6_kid

27th September 2010, 21:53

Another cyber-warrior strapping on his virtual fighting suit I see....:shifty:

sorry, I'm still getting the hang of this sarcasm thing.

Winston001

27th September 2010, 22:28

miloking

28th September 2010, 00:53

You fucken idiot.

AND you are fucken moron...because insulting someone without giving even reason is retarded.

onearmedbandit

28th September 2010, 00:59

AND you are fucken moron...because insulting someone without giving even reason is retarded.

So did you just insult him for no reason? Or was in in retaliation? Ahh, don't worry, both are retarded.

miloking

28th September 2010, 01:02

I don't think you'd have to try very hard to do that

Now that's gold... well done sir

Ohhh you are both so clever.... not sure whats more sad, kickaha being sooo "funny" or the other clown thinking "its gold" :facepalm:

miloking

28th September 2010, 01:04

So did you just insult him for no reason? Or was in in retaliation? Ahh, don't worry, both are retarded.

i gave him reason he is moron because "he insults without reason"....fool proof realy...

BoristheBiter

28th September 2010, 07:10

i gave him reason he is moron because "he insults without reason"....fool proof realy...

:stupid:

when calling someone a moron you should spell and grammar check before posting.

Virago

28th September 2010, 07:22

:stupid:

When calling someone a moron you should spell and grammar check before posting.

Fixed it for you...:facepalm:

BoristheBiter

28th September 2010, 07:27

Fixed it for you...:facepalm:

Lucky I only called him stupid and not a moron then.:doh:

shrub

28th September 2010, 07:30

Oh for pity's sake, one swallow does not make a summer. Any one of us can rub another person up the wrong way. Its life. Why don't we have copious threads about library assistants/waitresses/petrol jockeys etc being rude?

I liked Shrub's story which was well told and I didn't consider the police constable wrong. Simply doing his job but possibly overdone in the circumstances.

No, I think he was wrong. His ute was parked down an alleyway by the gas station I filled up in, and my mate and I both saw it and thought it was empty. He also had to ask if I had pulled out from the gas station which suggests he didn't see me riding down the road. What I think happened is he was in a building, heard my bike and leapt into his ute and took off after us thinking he had a chase on his hands, only to see me standing on the side of the road 200 m away. In other words, his estimate of my speed was based on what he heard.

But I think the issue here is the attitude of Our Constabulary to road safety - speed is the focus and hearing what he thought was a speeding motorcycle gave him the impetus to jump in his ute and take off down the road - did he stop and look both ways before he pulled out of the driveway and turned across the road? Or might we have read in the media about another fatality in a "chase"? If so, would it have been my fault? Would the media have climbed onto the bandwagon of a crazy motorcyclist running away from a cop and causing a road fatality?

He was arrogant, confrontational and wrong.

Banditbandit

28th September 2010, 07:56

It's been a long time since the cops knew who I was, and that was usually followed by a none-too-polite request to empty my pack and pockets

Yeah ... I remember those days ... I've changed towns five times since then ...

Winston001

28th September 2010, 09:32

No, I think he was wrong....

But I think the issue here is the attitude of Our Constabulary to road safety - speed is the focus and hearing what he thought was a speeding motorcycle gave him the impetus to jump in his ute and take off down the road....

He was arrogant, confrontational and wrong.

Fair enough, you were there.

I couldn't be a cop. Dealing with drunk, drugged up, or simply smart-ass arrogant people for a living would do my head in. That's not a sly comment on you Shrub.

The good police adapt and don't become cynical - our fine Scumdog is an example. But others become defensive and expect confrontation every time they encounter the public, so they adopt an aggressive stance. Its the wrong approach but nevertheless I understand it.

CHR1S

28th September 2010, 10:12

pc220

28th September 2010, 16:22

AND you are fucken moron...because insulting someone without giving even reason is retarded.

The reason you are a fucken idoit is because you show a complete lack of respect for those that do a job that 99% of people are either not prepared to even consider doing or are just too chicken shit to do. Yet I bet when said big Samoan so much as looks at you sideways you wet yourself and go running to the very people you are slagging off.
Reason enough for you?

shrub

28th September 2010, 17:19

I sure as hell could'nt put up with the crap our police force has to deal with day to day. But that's why I chose not to join up! A certain level of maturity/tact is required when dealing with someone your about to give an $X hundred dollar bill, which not all I've come across posess.

I guess if you took a snap shot of soceity you'd come across some bloody good c*nts and a fair few f*ckwits. The police force is no different and this guy just fit's into the latter category.

The police have a significant level of authority, and with authority comes responsibility. My little friend was aggressive and confrontational from the beginning, and if I was easily pushed around I'd call that bullying. I knew I had done nothing wrong and I knew he had nothing to go with so I didn't buckle under, but many people would have. If he'd been a random bloke in a pub I'd have said he was spoiling for a fight.

His behaviour was unacceptable from a figure of authority and I find it sad that people who behave like that are engaged to enforce our laws.

pc220

28th September 2010, 17:31

thepom

28th September 2010, 18:17

Wow what a great read. I,m not from here but have had a few run ins with the law and when at fault took it fair and square, and the best bit is being let off when you know you,ve done wrong.

The police have a hard job to do and I could,nt do it but would not stand by to watch one being given a kicking........I,d join in.....nah just taking the piss...I,d help out as maybe one day when you need them they will be there to help. As long as its not when your house has been robbed......

shrub

28th September 2010, 19:48

miloking

28th September 2010, 22:31

The reason you are a fucken idoit is because you show a complete lack of respect for those that do a job that 99% of people are either not prepared to even consider doing or are just too chicken shit to do. Yet I bet when said big Samoan so much as looks at you sideways you wet yourself and go running to the very people you are slagging off.
Reason enough for you?

Exactly!!! And thats why LAW that requires me to "jump in" and help a cop against this "big samoan" is not just unfair but also stinks of "police state" ... not to mention that such a cop is probably being beaten because he was arrogant asshole just like cop in OPs story.... nobody beats cops just for fun...

long story short....cops are PAID to protect us agains violence but iam not paid to protect him!

onearmedbandit

28th September 2010, 23:29

nobody beats cops just for fun...

You'd be surprised. I know in my 34yrs on this planet I've met some people who think exactly that...

T.W.R

29th September 2010, 07:21

The police have a significant level of authority, and with authority comes responsibility. My little friend was aggressive and confrontational from the beginning, and if I was easily pushed around I'd call that bullying. I knew I had done nothing wrong and I knew he had nothing to go with so I didn't buckle under, but many people would have. If he'd been a random bloke in a pub I'd have said he was spoiling for a fight.

His behaviour was unacceptable from a figure of authority and I find it sad that people who behave like that are engaged to enforce our laws.

And just think if old eccentric Joe farmer had been rolling into town in his old 82 hilux flatdeck at his usual oblivious 'hick rural time stands still pace' and had collected you accidently who'd you be calling for?

Anyhow you should know by now the Nth Canterbury constabulary are officious at the best of times and it's mainly due to speeders & particularly bikers :yes:

Monstaman

29th September 2010, 07:43

A more extreme version of what I experienced where a cop "was right" even when all the evidence stood against him, and another example of a cop doing a U turn and taking someone out. On that occassion it was a car and nobody died thank god.

That is fatty ford, in the clink for 2 years and 4 months, Alexandra Police seems to be the biggest crime syndicate in Central Otago.

We have three other clear cases of Motorcyclists being taken out by cars (Noting blindingly in your face cars fault) then the motorcyclist being charged.

Good time to liven things up me thinks.

Shrub, referring to your first post the Police are entitled to their opinion BUT that is all, it is his opinion against your opinion and he hold no more ground that you.

They have to present fact, not opinion.

Max Preload

29th September 2010, 11:43

And our law enforcement professionals wonder why they have so little respect from the General Public, especially as they didn't even bother to send a bobby round when I got burgled.How the fuck are they going to send anyone around when they're all busy staking out cafes? :facepalm:

Swoop

29th September 2010, 11:46

... another example of a cop doing a U turn and taking someone out.
I have been wondering about this for a while. The standard SV6 the plod are using comes equipped with the rear wing on the boot. The view is not all that wonderful if using the rear view mirror...
I wonder if a contributing factor to the police "u-turn collision problem" could be this?

Max Preload

29th September 2010, 13:08

I have been wondering about this for a while. The standard SV6 the plod are using comes equipped with the rear wing on the boot. The view is not all that wonderful if using the rear view mirror...
I wonder if a contributing factor to the police "u-turn collision problem" could be this?That would be a health and safety in employment issue that they could eliminate... wouldn't it be good if they pulled the spoilers off to mitigate the hazard... it'd make them even easier to spot... :innocent:

I think I should write in with my concerns that they're not doing all they can...

avgas

29th September 2010, 13:29

Fucking cops.

KB used to be a good forum, before the anti-cop pussies got forced on here to gripe about how the cops did them wrong.

Keep typing you weak stains, I am sure the cops can hear your taps from here.

Banditbandit

29th September 2010, 13:52

nobody beats cops just for fun...

Yeah ? Some of my former friends used to beat up cops for fun .. a regular Friday/Saturday night sport ..

MSTRS

29th September 2010, 14:01

They have to present fact, not opinion.

Nope. In traffic matters, if it comes down to it, the cop's opinion is taken as fact. VERY hard to argue that the cop is/was wrong, despite evidence etc. Look at http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/117486-Bullshit-speeding-ticket-from-arrogant-cop.-Complaint?p=1129622931#post1129622931
The Otago case took 2 years for the innocent teen to be vindicated. And a further 2 years for the lying sack of shit cop to be held to account.

Monstaman

29th September 2010, 14:27

Nope. In traffic matters, if it comes down to it, the cop's opinion is taken as fact.

I have seen several instances in court where the police evidence was not 100% and it left a shadow off doubt for error which has led to dismissal of the charges.

Yes I agree it takes a very long time through "the system" which is supposed to serve and protect, of interest there is more to come from Central Otago but in motorcycling circles, keep an eye on TV1 Close up over the next few weeks.

Alexandra and Queenstown Police are the biggest crime syndicate here, I promise you it will be interesting.

Winston001

1st October 2010, 16:27

Shrub, referring to your first post the Police are entitled to their opinion BUT that is all, it is his opinion against your opinion and he hold no more ground that you.

NO. In this situation a police officer is deemed to be an expert and his professional opinion will weigh heavily against a member of the public. That doesn't mean he can't be mistaken, or proved to be wrong, but as a starting point, his word against yours is far stronger and usually sufficent evidence for conviction.

Think of it this way - the cop is doing his job, he gets paid whether you get a ticket or not. By contrast you have a very strong bias for avoiding conviction and therefore might/will say whatever you think explains the alleged offence. So your opinion is questionable from the beginning.

Berries

1st October 2010, 22:10

of interest there is more to come from Central Otago but in motorcycling circles, keep an eye on TV1 Close up over the next few weeks.
I can't watch Close Up, the guy with the hair gives me the shits. Any clues ?

NZIrish

2nd October 2010, 01:18

I really believe the rot set into the NZ Police when traffic merged with Police, hell even the Police had hated the traffic cops What we are seeing now is a combination of ex traffic cops and young "life-inexperienced" recruits causing all sorts of problems for the Police's one time excellent reputation, be it internal discipline matters to over zealous chases to criminal offending which one time would have been unheard of Unfortunately the Police now only have themselves to blame for not weeding out these 'Police imposters' who see wearing the uniform as a way to 'command' respect, well respect needs to be earned, and the more incidents like this I hear almost daily now makes me cringe I have a mate who works in the LTSA who is ex Police, and tells me (as we all know) ACC is a driven force behind how Police do business on the roads these days, to my mind that is a terrible indictment on our government and the Police for allowing it:angry:

meteor

2nd October 2010, 06:50

Think the good one's far outweigh the bad. Thing is, the bad ones hit the media and every instance of a a wrong doing is pushed down everyones throat.
Look at this guy.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/video.cfm?c_id=1&gal_objectid=10677622&gallery_id=114253
You can see he's given the case everything an slogged his guts out.. and it's taken a huge toll on him. Like that other guy on the north shore who headed the case of the girl in the drain. Good bastards. So where's the media about them and the thousands like them doing everyday stuff. There's a balance.. some get it wrong.... don't we all from time to time? Isn't is called being human? Lawyers, Dr's, Priests, builders, mechanics etc all get it wrong sometimes... where's the threads on them? Cop's are just an easy target for media I guess.

baptist

2nd October 2010, 12:34

//respect needs to be earned, and the more incidents like this I hear almost daily now makes me cringe // NZIrish, you are bang on. In Shrub's case I think the Cop seems to have the idea that the uniform demands respect... sorry it does not. My father used to tell me that you earned a persons respect by the way you treat them, how did this "little constable" earn respect :gob: ? There are good cops and bad cops, Shrub, I think you met a bad one:yes:.

beyond

2nd October 2010, 14:35

You got off lightly. He could have done you for unnecessary exhibition of acceleration if he really wanted to.

Shit, for real? What next? I suppose uneccessary cocking of ones leg over a motorised conveyance.

:(

SMOKEU

2nd October 2010, 17:21

Shit, for real? What next? I suppose uneccessary cocking of ones leg over a motorised conveyance.

:(

Don't forget "operating a vehicle in a noisy manner". It's just another law invented purely so the cop can screw you over if you fail the attitude test and they can't find anything else to sting you for.

red mermaid

2nd October 2010, 19:09

Oh, hell yeah, of course, its only cops that get really pissed about dickheads that put noisy exhausts on their cars and then roar around the streets all night.

Max Preload

2nd October 2010, 20:58

Think the good one's far outweigh the bad.In the proper Police, I agree. But in traffic Police, I disagree.

MSTRS

3rd October 2010, 16:33

In the proper Police, I agree. But in traffic Police, I disagree.

And how do you tell the difference? They all wear the same gang patch...

'Proper police' (GD) get assigned to traffic, but snakes only do traffic. If you were GD, and stuck on traffic, wouldn't you be pissed off and perhaps take it out on Joe Public? But if you were a snake, you'd tend to be a nazi prat anyway.
Either way, traffic cops are not generally going to make your day, are they?

BoristheBiter

3rd October 2010, 17:34

And now this thread turns like any cop bashing thread into all about speeding.
At least it took 5 pages.

scumdog

3rd October 2010, 19:21

And how do you tell the difference? They all wear the same gang patch...

'Proper police' (GD) get assigned to traffic, but snakes only do traffic. If you were GD, and stuck on traffic, wouldn't you be pissed off and perhaps take it out on Joe Public? But if you were a snake, you'd tend to be a nazi prat anyway.
Either way, traffic cops are not generally going to make your day, are they?

So, the ones that do traffic 50% of the time are only pissed of with Joe Public 50% of the time??

miloking

3rd October 2010, 20:05

And now this thread turns like any cop bashing thread into all about speeding.
At least it took 5 pages.

Because NZ speeding laws are stupid, right now iam on a holiday in europe and its a dream over here as 140Km/h is a "cruising" speed on a open road...i agree its not neccesarily fault of NZ police but fault of public for being bunch monkeys who cannot drive for shit and NZ politicians who take the easiest way to reduce road toll ..imposing retarded speed limits and anti boyracer laws and other such travesties...

Winston001

3rd October 2010, 22:58

Because NZ speeding laws are stupid, right now iam on a holiday in europe and its a dream over here as 140Km/h is a "cruising" speed on a open road...

You presumably only drive/ride on open main roads. There was a post on here a while back pointing out that the speed limits in France and Italy on secondary roads are often very slow by our standards and ruthlessly enforced.

Winston001

3rd October 2010, 23:08

//respect needs to be earned.....

Ah yes, you see this is where it all goes wrong. No disrespect to you, many people now think the same but its wrong. In a decent society "respect" is given to every person you meet or come across until such time as they lose your respect. It is a fundamental right - and frankly, I try to apply it here on this forum.

Unhappily the upside-down ethic that everyone must earn respect has gained credence but only because people don't think it through. Would you push a granny out of a shop doorway? Rip off a 6 yr old? Hopefully not, because you respect them - even though you don't think about it in exactly those terms.

Respect everyone and they will come to treat you the same.

miloking

4th October 2010, 04:53

Ah yes, you see this is where it all goes wrong. No disrespect to you, many people now think the same but its wrong. In a decent society "respect" is given to every person you meet or come across until such time as they lose your respect. It is a fundamental right - and frankly, I try to apply it here on this forum.

Unhappily the upside-down ethic that everyone must earn respect has gained credence but only because people don't think it through. Would you push a granny out of a shop doorway? Rip off a 6 yr old? Hopefully not, because you respect them - even though you don't think about it in exactly those terms.

Respect everyone and they will come to treat you the same.

You are twisting the truth here....people respect most cops until cops open their mouth! Thats where they loose their respect and its all downhill from there...
Unfortunately i cannot respect someone who doesnt respect me and instantly assumes i am criminal scum and treats me that way....i should be treated as innocent until proven guilty and even then we are still talking about traffic offences not actual crime so why are traffic cops such a dickheads to people????

miloking

4th October 2010, 05:03

You presumably only drive/ride on open main roads. There was a post on here a while back pointing out that the speed limits in France and Italy on secondary roads are often very slow by our standards and ruthlessly enforced.

Well not sure about france as they are not normal people anyway... but speed limits "very slow by our standard" are hard to believe as we have lots of 80k zones everywhere so slower is not possible..
Of course i know that "speed nazis" are probably in every country just saying cops and punishments are bit more relaxed where i am right now....not sure if its police apathy or laziness over here.
(last week i was driven to/from Prague and spend most of the time at 180-220km/h in CLS350 and no cops bothered us at all...if we did same thing in auckland i would be probably talking to my lawyer thru hole in plexi glass right now...)

shrub

4th October 2010, 05:20

And now this thread turns like any cop bashing thread into all about speeding.
At least it took 5 pages.

No, not necessarily a cop bashing thread, more a criticism of some ridiculous attitudes by the police that do them no favours and have cost them a lot of respect.

BoristheBiter

4th October 2010, 06:52

Because NZ speeding laws are stupid, right now iam on a holiday in europe and its a dream over here as 140Km/h is a "cruising" speed on a open road...

Have you noticed the difference in the quality and size of the open roads or the driving level?

i agree its not neccesarily fault of NZ police but fault of public for being bunch monkeys who cannot drive for shit

we agree on that.

and NZ politicians who take the easiest way to reduce road toll ..imposing retarded speed limits and anti boyracer laws and other such travesties...

This is because of the previous statemant, always work to the lowest common denominator.

I'm not getting into the speed debate again.

BoristheBiter

4th October 2010, 07:01

No, not necessarily a cop bashing thread, more a criticism of some ridiculous attitudes by the police that do them no favours and have cost them a lot of respect.

As i said it took 5 pages to become one.
I agree that some cops need to dial it down and get off there little crusades, but if you spend all day with people lieing to you you end up treating everyone the same, not right but it comes with the territory.

When the cop stopped you you could have said "no, because of the exhaust it sounds like i'm going faster than I am" but you argued and he would have thourght here we go again.

Not saying it would have gone any better but you never know he might have just been anti-bike like so many are getting these days.

MSTRS

4th October 2010, 07:31

So, the ones that do traffic 50% of the time are only pissed of with Joe Public 50% of the time??

That'll explain why there's not often a cop available for a burg or what ever.
Traffic only do traffic. GD do traffic 50% of the time.
SD said so...

shrub

4th October 2010, 07:39

As i said it took 5 pages to become one.
I agree that some cops need to dial it down and get off there little crusades, but if you spend all day with people lieing to you you end up treating everyone the same, not right but it comes with the territory.

When the cop stopped you you could have said "no, because of the exhaust it sounds like i'm going faster than I am" but you argued and he would have thourght here we go again.

Not saying it would have gone any better but you never know he might have just been anti-bike like so many are getting these days.

or maybe I should have just said "sorry officer, it won't happen again". I'm a 50 year old educated professional and I don't like being spoken to like a naughty school boy by some idiot in a uniform.

The police are facing a major credibility problem, and that is resulting in an increase in crime as evidenced by people not pulling over when stopped and a seeming complete disregard for the law, especially by young people. Giving them more power or increasing sentences won't help in the same way that invading Iraq and Afghanistan didn't stop islaamic extremism, but what will help is the public developing an attitude of respect for the police. If we respect them, when they say "slow down"; we will. If the police are respected then people won't joke about beating them up, boy racers won't see outrunning a cop as a badge of honour and the crime rate will almost certainly fall, for the simple reason that 99.9% of people will listen to someone they respect and take them seriously.

That's my opinion.

BoristheBiter

4th October 2010, 08:13

or maybe I should have just said "sorry officer, it won't happen again". I'm a 50 year old educated professional and I don't like being spoken to like a naughty school boy by some idiot in a uniform.

The police are facing a major credibility problem, and that is resulting in an increase in crime as evidenced by people not pulling over when stopped and a seeming complete disregard for the law, especially by young people. Giving them more power or increasing sentences won't help in the same way that invading Iraq and Afghanistan didn't stop islaamic extremism, but what will help is the public developing an attitude of respect for the police. If we respect them, when they say "slow down"; we will. If the police are respected then people won't joke about beating them up, boy racers won't see outrunning a cop as a badge of honour and the crime rate will almost certainly fall, for the simple reason that 99.9% of people will listen to someone they respect and take them seriously.

That's my opinion.

None of us do.

But look at your next bit, young people learn from older people, you look at how many sit on here and cry about getting a ticket for 11k over the speed limit. it is speeding, but all the younger generations see is "the pigs gave me a ticket for speeding".
So when they start driving/riding they have the same attaude "pigs are bad", "i can drive as fast as i want".

Look at the statment you said at the top,
"I don't like being spoken to like a naughty school boy by some idiot in a uniform"
Even if you were in the wrong? You were being a naughty school boy, by your own admission you said you gave it it a "bit of a squit" with loud pipes when you knew there was a cop there, then argued with him when he pulled up to you.
So who was the bigger idiot?

If you want repest by the police show them the same respect by abiding by the laws (they inforce them not make them) by calling them by their proper title (call someone a pig and they will treat you like one) and get off their backs for doing there jobs.
And if you think they don't solve real crime ask Carmans family about.

imdying

4th October 2010, 09:23

You are twisting the truth here....people respect most cops until cops open their mouth!You need to stop equating what you do, with what 'people' do. Your attitude towards the police isn't reflected by the majority... and if you don't see that from looking around, you might want to consider getting a new set of mates...

shrub

4th October 2010, 09:32

Look at the statment you said at the top,
"I don't like being spoken to like a naughty school boy by some idiot in a uniform"
Even if you were in the wrong? You were being a naughty school boy, by your own admission you said you gave it it a "bit of a squit" with loud pipes when you knew there was a cop there, then argued with him when he pulled up to you.
So who was the bigger idiot?

If you want repest by the police show them the same respect by abiding by the laws (they inforce them not make them) by calling them by their proper title (call someone a pig and they will treat you like one) and get off their backs for doing there jobs.

Thank you for your reply, but there are a couple of things I need to counter. For a start, I wasn't a "naughty boy", and never admitted to it. I gave my bike a bit of a squirt, probably for a couple of seconds I had about 1/2 - 2/3 throttle, and I don't have loud pipes. I have pipes that sound awesome - my bike sounds like a Spitfire, and I quite like the sound. For me, a big part of the pleasure of owning a bike is the sound and one of the great things about my bike is you don't need to cane it for it to sound good; in fact it sounds it's best at medium throttle. On Saturday I was passing through Cheviot, and out of curiosity I repeated the excercise, only this time it was a dry road and I did use full throttle - I hit just under 60 before I had to brake for the cafe. Therefore my argument that I was not doing 60 - 65 as asserted by the agressive and confrontational police officer stands.

I was abiding by every law I know of as I doubt I got over 50 kmh, so I was showing respect for the law. However a cop who (a) I believe didn't see me as evidenced by having to ask if I had just left the gas station and (b) had no radar reading of my speed felt it was acceptable to be rude and confrontational to a member of the public who had not actually broken any laws.

I don't know of any group, outside of agressive drunks, who feel it is acceptable to verbally attack a complete stranger with no valid cause beyond their (unfounded) opinion of something. My issue is that if he treated me like that, who else does he treat that way? All bikers? Did he feel that he was somehow better than me because I was wearing leather and a helmet? Does he treat kids in cars like that too?

And is his behaviour an isolated incident from a renegade cop, or is it endemic? I was speaking to a young woman the other day who is a woman in her 30s, a very well paid and respected manager who just happens to drive a "boy racer" car. She says she gets pulled over all the time and the attitude I described is not uncommon, even though she is almost anal about playing by the rules. As a result she has no respect for cops.

Therefore it would seem to me that there are probably quite a few cops who behave like that, and their behaviour they are undermining the respect the public hold for the police and thereby damaging our civil society.

And I don't believe I called anyone a pig - it's a term I dislike, so if I did I apologise and take it back.

BoristheBiter

4th October 2010, 11:57

Thank you for your reply, .................

...........................And I don't believe I called anyone a pig - it's a term I dislike, so if I did I apologise and take it back.

You seamed to have missed my point or i didn't express it well eough.

What you consider to be a nice sound might not be to everone's taste as IMHO the sound of a loud exhust just screams look at me i'm an attention seeking wanker just like some think the same about jappers.

Also you might have come across as a bit rude when talking to him, whether it was intended or not as some posts in here are not taken the way they are intended.
Take your friend, what is the first thing shes says when talked to by the police.

I used to work in a bar in the UK after 3 months of sheep jokes i had pretty much had enough so when anyone said a sheep joke i just thought what a wanker and held that thought so even if they were a nice person it was that first impression that stuck, also things went on in the bars that weren't allowed so we had to stop people have "their" fun so were called all the names so we stopped being polite in the end.

So the cop you got might be a dick (and there are a few) or might have had a bad day (and we have all had those and passed them on), or maybe he has just enough and doesn't really give a toss as he gets paid either way, i know most of the cops i know don't and remember people deal with the police maybe once a year, the police deal with this everyday.

If you want to get what i mean, listen to newstalkZB for a full day (as boring as that sounds) and i'll bet by the end of the day your less tolerant than normal.

Winston001

4th October 2010, 14:04

You are twisting the truth here....people respect most cops until cops open their mouth! Thats where they loose their respect and its all downhill from there...

No, I'm not twisting the truth. The false adage "I won't respect you until you earn my respect" pops up on KB quite often, as well as on talkback radio and in general discussion. It is completely the wrong attitude but fortunately people do not behave that way. Except when it comes to the police. :facepalm:

Unfortunately i cannot respect someone who doesnt respect me and instantly assumes i am criminal scum and treats me that way....

This I understand but frankly I'm puzzled.

I've thought about this, having had a few tickets over the years, and racked my memory. I cannot ever remember being treated like criminal scum or rudely or anything objectionable by police officers. Where are all these bad snakes?? I've never met them. In fact the officers I've encountered have been apologetic about issuing a ticket.

Maybe those of us who have the bad experiences should look in the mirror to see what the police encounter when they meet.....:blink:

scumdog

4th October 2010, 15:23

No, not necessarily a cop bashing thread, more a criticism of some ridiculous attitudes by SOME OF the police that do them no favours and have cost them a lot of respect.

I fixed it for you!:sunny:

scumdog

4th October 2010, 15:25

That'll explain why there's not often a cop available for a burg or what ever.
Traffic only do traffic. GD do traffic 50% of the time.
SD said so...

Nice troll...where did I say ALL GD do traffic 50% of the time???:blink: (In fact bugger-all do traffic anywhere like 50% of the time)

shrub

4th October 2010, 16:10

I used to work in a bar in the UK after 3 months of sheep jokes i had pretty much had enough so when anyone said a sheep joke i just thought what a wanker and held that thought so even if they were a nice person it was that first impression that stuck, also things went on in the bars that weren't allowed so we had to stop people have "their" fun so were called all the names so we stopped being polite in the end.

So the cop you got might be a dick (and there are a few) or might have had a bad day (and we have all had those and passed them on), or maybe he has just enough and doesn't really give a toss as he gets paid either way, i know most of the cops i know don't and remember people deal with the police maybe once a year, the police deal with this everyday.

If you want to get what i mean, listen to newstalkZB for a full day (as boring as that sounds) and i'll bet by the end of the day your less tolerant than normal.

It comes down to professionalism. When I heard him i was admiring a classic Rolls Royce parked on the side of the road, and thought that he was going to comment on it himself - "bloody nice machine, ay?", and I had a smile on my face. Instead I got a rude, aggressive and confrontational man, and that's unprofessional.

I used to work as a bouncer, and even at 3.00 am on a cold wet night where I'd been dealing with drunks all night I was polite and courteous regardless what the other person was saying or doing. A typical case:

Shrub: "I'm sorry sir, I can't let you in the bar"
Obnxious Drunk: "Why the fuck not?"
Shrub: "You exceed the standards of intoxication we are allowed in the bar"
OD: "Fuck off, I'm not pissed"
Shrub: "I'm sorry sir, we have a very low threshold here"
OD: "You're a cunt and I'll smack you if you don't let me in"
Shrub: "I'm sorry sir, I can't do that. I suggest you come back tomorrow when you're sober and I'll welcome you"

That was a typical scenario that played out several times a night, and we were required to remain calm, courteous and professional at all times despite being threatened, abused and more. As a result we had almost no physical confrontations and ran a safe and popular bar. If I had been as confrontational as the constable in question i'd have been sacked on the spot.

Is it too much to expect police officers to be as professional as bouncers?

MSTRS

4th October 2010, 16:19

...If I had been as confrontational as the constable in question i'd have been sacked on the spot.

Before that, you'd have triggered the drunk/s into taking a swing. The sacking would just complete your attitude adjustment.

BoristheBiter

4th October 2010, 16:36

It comes down to professionalism. When I heard him i was admiring a classic Rolls Royce parked on the side of the road, and thought that he was going to comment on it himself - "bloody nice machine, ay?", and I had a smile on my face. Instead I got a rude, aggressive and confrontational man, and that's unprofessional.

I used to work as a bouncer, and even at 3.00 am on a cold wet night where I'd been dealing with drunks all night I was polite and courteous regardless what the other person was saying or doing. A typical case:

Shrub: "I'm sorry sir, I can't let you in the bar"
Obnxious Drunk: "Why the fuck not?"
Shrub: "You exceed the standards of intoxication we are allowed in the bar"
OD: "Fuck off, I'm not pissed"
Shrub: "I'm sorry sir, we have a very low threshold here"
OD: "You're a cunt and I'll smack you if you don't let me in"
Shrub: "I'm sorry sir, I can't do that. I suggest you come back tomorrow when you're sober and I'll welcome you"

That was a typical scenario that played out several times a night, and we were required to remain calm, courteous and professional at all times despite being threatened, abused and more. As a result we had almost no physical confrontations and ran a safe and popular bar. If I had been as confrontational as the constable in question i'd have been sacked on the spot.

Is it too much to expect police officers to be as professional as bouncers?

So you do know what its like then.
How many bouncers are not cut out for the job but still are bouncers? end of discussion really.

shrub

4th October 2010, 17:12

So you do know what its like then.
How many bouncers are not cut out for the job but still are bouncers? end of discussion really.

First I don't pay the bouncers and I know where the bad ones work so I avoid those bars, but more importantly bouncers aren't complaining that they don't get the respect they want. If the police want to be respected then maybe they need to look at the behaviour of all their staff.

Aggressive and confrontational behaviour is pointless and unnesccesary - a few months ago I was pulled up for travelling far too fast. The cop got out of his car, introduced himself, shook my hand and advised me how fast he had got me for. Even though I had broken the law (by quite a margin) he was courteous and pleasant - I bloody near thanked him for the ticket. The last thing he said was "The road through the hunderlees is good and the traffic is light, take it easy but enjoy the ride". He was a professional.

BTW I am actually quite glad i got that ticket - it slowed me down, something that needed to happen.

baptist

4th October 2010, 18:23

//Ah yes, you see this is where it all goes wrong. No disrespect to you, many people now think the same but its wrong. In a decent society "respect" is given to every person you meet or come across until such time as they lose your respect. It is a fundamental right - and frankly, I try to apply it here on this forum. //

I do not see it as a fundamental right, at least not until contact has been made, if the cop had said something polite before enquiring that is all to the good, I call that doing his job and full respect to him. People who are instantly rude do not have my respect and if they want it then they will need to earn it. I fully understand why cops can get snarky (I was a Prison Officer in the UK for 9 years before moving), people can be hard work. However professionalism counts for much, joe public can be having a bad day as well remember and then a confrontation may occur. To earn respect is not hard in my book, a smile, a nod, a polite word that is all it takes. Some Police maybe need to think a little before opening their mouth, I think the saying is "engage your brain before engaging your mouth", bit like I am learning with clutches and gears!!!!!

BoristheBiter

4th October 2010, 18:37

First I don't pay the bouncers and I know where the bad ones work so I avoid those bars, but more importantly bouncers aren't complaining that they don't get the respect they want. If the police want to be respected then maybe they need to look at the behaviour of all their staff.

Aggressive and confrontational behaviour is pointless and unnesccesary - a few months ago I was pulled up for travelling far too fast. The cop got out of his car, introduced himself, shook my hand and advised me how fast he had got me for. Even though I had broken the law (by quite a margin) he was courteous and pleasant - I bloody near thanked him for the ticket. The last thing he said was "The road through the hunderlees is good and the traffic is light, take it easy but enjoy the ride". He was a professional.

BTW I am actually quite glad i got that ticket - it slowed me down, something that needed to happen.

Actually most of the cops i know really don't give a shit if they are liked or not and some say its better if not as it is easyer to hand out tickets. but then most of them are GD or GD stuck on stu.

There are good and bad in every job some people care about it some don't, some make a moutain out of a mole hill, some think rules don't apply and some live by them.

I do agree that aggressive and confrontational behaviour is pointless and unnesccesary in any work force.

I'll leave it at that.

Mudfart

4th October 2010, 18:58

you can also get done for "unnecessesary and/or sudden acceleration" under the boy racer laws. in ozzie they got the "hoon legislation".

skidz07

4th October 2010, 19:14

wot the f#*K give me the fine any day wuld`nt help those pricks
thats bloody bullshit PRICKS!!!!!

scumdog

4th October 2010, 19:29

wot the f#*K give me the fine any day wuld`nt help those pricks
thats bloody bullshit PRICKS!!!!!

Wow, so eloquent....:blink:

Spazman727

4th October 2010, 22:38

Well the Gubbmint legislated against "standing around" - $500 fine for not assisting an officer when requested....unless you're female.

Personally I would prefer that the Police had (and deserved) respect so that Joe Public would want to try and help them out.

Yeah, you don't know if they're trying to take a guy down for something really illegal or for just annoying them. In the latter case id rather put the boot in on the side of the so called criminal than do nothing to help the cops.

Kwaka14

5th October 2010, 01:52

Sorry for the off topic reply

Well not sure about france as they are not normal people anyway... but speed limits "very slow by our standard" are hard to believe as we have lots of 80k zones everywhere so slower is not possible..
Of course i know that "speed nazis" are probably in every country just saying cops and punishments are bit more relaxed where i am right now....not sure if its police apathy or laziness over here.
(last week i was driven to/from Prague and spend most of the time at 180-220km/h in CLS350 and no cops bothered us at all...if we did same thing in auckland i would be probably talking to my lawyer thru hole in plexi glass right now...)

I currently live in Prague, and would agree that you could do pretty well whatever speed you like on the motorways (to be honest on back roads as well), however off the motorways the roads are pretty crap and there's a proliferation of small towns and poor conditions which makes riding not all that great (frost heave wreaks havoc on the roads). The limit off the motorway is oficially 90km/h, and in towns 50 - so legally not too great for a fun ride. Motorways the limit is oficially 130km/h - almost noone does this, but have seen a few pulled over recently regardless. Riding here is not great from the perspective that the driving is very agressive towards motorcyclists (not so bad you'd stop riding). Other parts of Europe are similar.Croatia is beautiful, but most of the coastal road will see you riding between 80 and 60km/h, Italy has so many little townships with 50km limits it's a pain, but fantastic none the less. Mountain passes are amazing everywhere in the Alps - Plod only highly visible in France really (a little in Austria and Italy). Motorways are good - speed and surface, but off them where mostly the riding is to be had, generally it's not a fast thing (legally). Montenegro is beautiful, but the roads are crap there, I imagine speedings not an issue as riding up a hill in Kotor we ended up riding in the middle of a rally - cars screaming round corners complete with Marshalls etc - apparently theres no reason to close the roads (wtf). Never had a ticket here in the CR, been stopped and fined twice in Austria (pretty gnarly speed traps) and not too much bother anywhere else. It's not legal, but speeding (within reason) seems to be ok.

Patrick

8th October 2010, 09:51

Constable: "Did you just come from that gas station?" - he asked, politely and with a smile...
Shrub: "Yep." Smugly and with a snarl...
Constable: "You were travelling at a hell of a speed' (maybe sounded like it, but hey, concerned for your safety here, dunno why he is so instantly "snappy"...)
Shrub: "Really? How fast was I going?" with a sneer.....
Constable: "You were doing between 60 and 65 kmh" (while thinking what an arrogant prick....)
Shrub: "No I wasn't - I didn't get out of first gear for gods sake, I doubt I got over 50". (While looking down his nose at him...)
Constable: "What do you do for a living?" (Standard fare here....)
Shrub (wondering why this officer was even speaking to him, despising the conversation as much as a dog turd on his shoes...) if the next question would be "what star sign are you? followed by "I'm a Gemini, would you like to meet for a do-nut?": "I'm a marketing consultant" (said in an "I am better than you" attitude...)
Constable: "Then you have no experience in estimating speed - I do, and it's my opinion that you were doing between 60 and 65 kmh" (that'll wipe the smirk off his face...)
Shrub: "I have ridden that bike for nearly 3 years and over 20,000 kms, so I have a lot of experience at what it feels like at various speeds, and it's my opinion I was doing around 50"
Constable: "well it's my opinion you were doing between 60 and 65, and it's my opinion that counts" (being an expert in speed and all, being a daily duty for how many years... and ONLY three years and 20,000ks? Must be a butterfly rider....)

At this stage our noble enforcer of Her Majesty's laws and protector of widows and orphans was realising he was winding up the poor motorbike rider so he made the decision to stop before he exploded and had to arrest him for stealing oxygen or something.

Shrub: "OK, well that's fine then. Will that be all?"

My new-found friend realised that the message was finally sinking in.... there is no teaching some, so proceeded to check all the old mundane regular stuff such as licenses, rego, gaydar status etc, then radioed base to check that Shrub and his Thunderbird Sport weren't desperate fugitives from the law and the missing masterminds of 9/11 (in other words, normal duty type of stuff). It seemed that my myriad sins had escaped the notice of our constabulary and he ended his radio call.

Shrub: "All good then?"
Constable: (Excitedly, because he had had enough of the belligerance....) "Yes".
Shrub: "Excellent. Have a nice day".

Just another take. Not saying this is what happened at all... of course..... just artistic license.

Enjoy.

:innocent:

Berries

9th October 2010, 00:24

Interesting take from the other side.

[Still not sure about estimating speed by ear though, it is hard enough by eye]

red mermaid

9th October 2010, 07:33

Oh, do you really think there was another side to the story, Patrick?

When will someone please invent a sarcasm font! :innocent:

Berries

9th October 2010, 09:07

Yeah, I needed that for my post above as well.

Pixie

9th October 2010, 09:24

Just another take. Not saying this is what happened at all... of course..... just artistic license.

Enjoy.

:innocent:

I wonder if the cop felt like that when I gave him arseholes for stopping me because he made up a new offence to accuse me of: "Passing in the dark"

MSTRS

9th October 2010, 10:08

I wonder if the cop felt like that when I gave him arseholes for stopping me because he made up a new offence to accuse me of: "Passing in the dark"

Typical public. Can't keep up with the new rules. Again. It was 'Passing a darkie'...

shrub

9th October 2010, 17:46

Just another take. Not saying this is what happened at all... of course..... just artistic license.

:innocent:

maybe it didn't, but I had only drunk coffee and inhaled exhaust fumes so I reckon it did.

MSTRS

10th October 2010, 08:17

I see 2 Horowhenua cops are under investigation for lying on the stand, and with-holding evidence, in a traffic case...

red mermaid

10th October 2010, 08:44

Have you got a link to the news item on this as I can't find anything on a Google search.

MSTRS

10th October 2010, 09:00

Was in the Herald on Sunday.
Online... http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10679411

scumdog

10th October 2010, 09:12

Oh goody!

The bad cops are getting kicked out.

Everybody should be ecstatic, eh..eh??!!

(BTW A person can drive in an excellent manner technically but still be dangerous....controlled drifts at speed etc)

MSTRS

10th October 2010, 09:32

I'm not defending the driver - don't know what he did or did not do.
But you opened the door...
If someone can drift their car at speed through an obstacle course of cones, and not hit a single one, was their driving dangerous or excellent?

Edit: I wouldn't have an issue if the charge was 'potentially dangerous'

scumdog

10th October 2010, 10:20

Patrick

12th October 2010, 18:45

Oh, do you really think there was another side to the story, Patrick?

When will someone please invent a sarcasm font! :innocent:

LOL... Soooo needed, the sarcastic icon/smillie...whatever it is called.....

Dunno if there was another side, but the scenario is a regular enough occurrence.... Two sides to the story type of thing? But hey, who knows.... Shrub was there.

maybe it didn't, but I had only drunk coffee and inhaled exhaust fumes so I reckon it did.

Blardy strong coffee?

=cJ=

13th October 2010, 20:50

Have you got a link to the news item on this as I can't find anything on a Google search.

Hard luck mate, it's public. No inside info here for you to sniff up...

shrub

14th October 2010, 08:09

Blardy strong coffee?

Always. Keeps me alert and stops me getting confused and mistaking loud for fast.

jimichelle

14th October 2010, 10:05

Fixed it for you...:facepalm:

you forgot the really::gob:

R-Soul

15th October 2010, 10:56

Because NZ speeding laws are stupid, right now iam on a holiday in europe and its a dream over here as 140Km/h is a "cruising" speed on a open road...i agree its not neccesarily fault of NZ police but fault of public for being bunch monkeys who cannot drive for shit and NZ politicians who take the easiest way to reduce road toll ..imposing retarded speed limits and anti boyracer laws and other such travesties...

NZ speeding laws are realistic for teh terrain - in Europe, they have roads that carry on straight for more than 200 meters. They also have motorways that DON'T have traffic lights on them. tyry taking our roads at 140kmhr consistently, and you will be sitting in the jungle soon enough...

The NZ idea of a motorway is ludicrous.

R-Soul

15th October 2010, 12:04

You should have asked the cop what rpm he thought you were doing in his expert opinion. Then when he tells you that its X, you can tell him that at Xrpm, in first gear, your bike only does 50km/hr....

Or cross questioned him about why he asked if you had just left the gas station, if he was watching you, and if he had really seen you going so fast....

Or asked him why he thnks his opinion counts more than yours? Since neither is solid evidence.

scumdog

16th October 2010, 07:08

NZ speeding laws are realistic for teh terrain - in Europe, they have roads that carry on straight for more than 200 meters. They also have motorways that DON'T have traffic lights on them. tyry taking our roads at 140kmhr consistently, and you will be sitting in the jungle soon enough...

The NZ idea of a motorway is ludicrous.

This is KB

Where people think SH1 = Autobahn:crazy:

Next thing they'll want to be able to ride down the right-hand side of all roads too:whistle:

Kwaka14

16th October 2010, 07:50

NZ speeding laws are realistic for teh terrain - in Europe, they have roads that carry on straight for more than 200 meters. They also have motorways that DON'T have traffic lights on them. tyry taking our roads at 140kmhr consistently, and you will be sitting in the jungle soon enough...

The NZ idea of a motorway is ludicrous.

The one I live down from Prague may not have traffic lights, but it does have a roundabout lol, supposed to be temporary, however its been there apparently for 2 years so far. Its there to help with a new junction that has had the work stopped on it since last winter. I agree with your post though.

red mermaid

16th October 2010, 07:53

Seems the entire topic of this thread may have been a waste of time...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/3047790/Kiwis-trust-the-police-survey

Important piece missing from this report as well, it was the highest level of trust for any Govt dept.

Berries

16th October 2010, 08:06

MSTRS

16th October 2010, 08:07

Important piece missing from this report as well, it was the highest level of trust for any Govt dept.

Which is not necessarily saying what you imply...

scumdog

16th October 2010, 08:43

You would expect that the Police should have the highest level of trust of any government department. One of out of four people not trusting them seems like a sad indictment actually, and nothing to be shouting about.

Fark, what are the other departments like? - who gets MORE trust from the people?

And what ranking do the law/policy making politicians get??

PS: I could find a group that would give you 0 out of 4 trusting Police....

MSTRS

16th October 2010, 08:58

PS: I could find a group that would give you 0 out of 4 trusting Police....

The challenge would be to find a group where 4 out of 4 trusts the police

scumdog

16th October 2010, 09:14

The challenge would be to find a group where 4 out of 4 trusts the police

Pfft, easy!:woohoo:

(And I'm not talking about work mates either..)

I guess it depends on what part of Godzone ya live in...

schrodingers cat

16th October 2010, 09:24

I got a ticket recently.

He said 'That's a bit quick for this time of day' which was fair enough.
"I'm going to give you a ticket cause thats what I'm paid to do" which was also a resonable position.
He asked if I wanted to see the nice readout but I assured him that I trusted his ability.
Anyhoo - the speed on the ticket was a bit lower than I thought it might have been so who knows?

I took a managed risk which was also against the law. I got caught (see - my fault not his) We both behaved in a civil manner.

If he had been jumping up and down I think the responsibility would lay with me not to escalate the situation.
If you wonder if you've behaved like a cock, ring an ex girlfriend/boyfreind for their opinion.:violin:

Berries

16th October 2010, 15:41

PS: I could find a group that would give you 0 out of 4 trusting Police....
The residents of Milton don't count.

BoristheBiter

16th October 2010, 15:45

Patrick

17th October 2010, 10:32

You would expect that the Police should have the highest level of trust of any government department. One of out of four people not trusting them seems like a sad indictment actually, and nothing to be shouting about.

I didn't think 1 out of 4 not trusting the cops was too bad from the prison population that did the survey.....

Ocean1

17th October 2010, 16:53

Way I see it it's real simple.

A: The sworn constabulary are happy that the rule of law is fair and the regulation of it just. They believe the law constitutes a social agreement regarding acceptable public behaviour worth enforcing. They believe this agreement is largely accepted by the vast majority of those whose lives it affects and strive first and foremost to maintain their own record as whiter than white in order to encourage the same quality of behaviour from everyone else. They consider anything less from their own ranks as not only criminal but monumentally hypocritical.

If, (as a member of the public) this is what I see then I tend to behave myself largely according to these accepted tenets. Albeit with occasional grumbling and perhaps once in a while a sheepishly acknowledged medium sized transgression.

This works largely as advertised.

B: The police are the troops belonging to an organisation representing the most sophisticated extortion racket ever known. They are aware of this and work to disguise it by adopting internal behaviour similar to “A”.

This, (as long as at least one of my orifices continues to indicate a general southerly aspect) doesn’t work.

So, which is it, gentlemen, “A”, or “B”?

scumdog

17th October 2010, 17:42

I'm 'C'!:woohoo:

BoristheBiter

18th October 2010, 07:15