Woman brutally attacked

[mashman]

I don't care if they panicked (http://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/top-stories/8021840/woman-brutally-attacked/) the dirty little bastards.

Get rid of money and there'd be no reward for this sorta shite.

[slofox]

Hoodies huh? How surprising.

This sorta stuff is enough to make me forget that I am a peaceful and law-abiding citizen...mostly

[cs363]

This:

http://www.heritage.nf.ca/law/images/whipping_post_550.jpg

Should be the 'reward' for such shite behaviour! Not much chance with all the PC wowsers around though.... :(

[mashman]

Should be the 'reward' for such shite behaviour! Not much chance with all the PC wowsers around though.... :(

It couldn't hurt. Might annoy a few though :)

[PrincessBandit]

This:

http://www.heritage.nf.ca/law/images/whipping_post_550.jpg

Should be the 'reward' for such shite behaviour! Not much chance with all the PC wowsers around though.... :(

I'll line up with rotten eggs and fruit to throw after the whupping! But let's not forget that "their feelings might be hurt too much from the humiliation". Tough shit. Bring back public stocks I say.

[Virago]

Would getting rid of money fix my ingrown toenail as well...?

[oldrider]

Would getting rid of money fix my ingrown toenail as well...?

I believe it will! :yes:

[Okey Dokey]

It has become daily reading to see an article about a group of youths beating someone to the ground and then kicking them unconscious/ in the face and head.

Are the youths who do this so broken as human beings that they are beyond repair? Is it worth trying to make them civilised? How many more people like this woman have to suffer, and possibly have permanent brain damage or emotional trauma, like this before our legal system changes?

[rustyrobot]

From my experience working with youth offenders I believe they would probably not be afraid of your whipping at all, and have probably had that and much worse in their life already. I know you all think that beating someone to within an inch of their life will teach them that beating someone to within an inch of their life is wrong, but I suggest they have already been taught that it is an acceptable way to get what you want. None of the violent youth offenders that I see grew up in 'time out' families. I totally understand your anger, but as the saying goes "for every complex problem there is a simple solution, and it's wrong".

[Okey Dokey]

rustyrobot, as someone who actually deals with them (good on you), can you please tell us if there is a happy ending? Do any rehabilitate from this low state, or do they just continue down this road into prison?

I realise you can't comment on specifics, but a generalisation from someone with experience would be great. Say, one-in-ten completely turnaround, or whatever...

Some encouraging news would be nice to read. So many of us get the impression that the situation is hopeless.

[Banditbandit]

rustyrobot, as someone who actually deals with them (good on you), can you please tell us if there is a happy ending? Do any rehabilitate from this low state, or do they just continue down this road into prison?

I realise you can't comment on specifics, but a generalisation from someone with experience would be great. Say, one-in-ten completely turnaround, or whatever...

Some encouraging news would be nice to read. So many of us get the impression that the situation is hopeless.

Yeah .. people can and do change ....

It appears that many Māori men run out of steam at around the age of 30 years and stop criminal activities ... however Pākehā men criminals tend to never stop ...

[imdying]

I'll line up with rotten eggs and fruit to throw after the whupping!How about waterballoons filled with aftershave?

[portokiwi]

lemons over those nasty cuts:spanking::spanking:

[HenryDorsetCase]

From my experience working with youth offenders I believe they would probably not be afraid of your whipping at all, and have probably had that and much worse in their life already. I know you all think that beating someone to within an inch of their life will teach them that beating someone to within an inch of their life is wrong, but I suggest they have already been taught that it is an acceptable way to get what you want. None of the violent youth offenders that I see grew up in 'time out' families. I totally understand your anger, but as the saying goes "for every complex problem there is a simple solution, and it's wrong".

I take your point, I do.

My solution is a bullet in the head, followed by another bullet in the head.

Rationale is purely economic: I would end up supporting these scum for the rest of their days, and crucially, encouraging them to breed the next generation of scum. Yes, encouraging: its not like they will ever have jobs or be productive members of the body politic, and in the absence of an option of transport to the colonies (or even some offshore island somewhere) then the humane alternative is euthanasia.

Not too many repeat offenders after my solution is implemented I bet.

[Banditbandit]

I take your point, I do.

My solution is a bullet in the head, followed by another bullet in the head.

Rationale is purely economic: I would end up supporting these scum for the rest of their days, and crucially, encouraging them to breed the next generation of scum. Yes, encouraging: its not like they will ever have jobs or be productive members of the body politic, and in the absence of an option of transport to the colonies (or even some offshore island somewhere) then the humane alternative is euthanasia.

Not too many repeat offenders after my solution is implemented I bet.

I'm inclined to agree - once someone has violent offended two or three times there's little chance for them ... bullet in the head before they get worse and do more damage ..

[HenryDorsetCase]

Its not like they leave their jobs at NASA or the JPL and go "I'm going to go get a skinful of speights or Tui (or whatever the dreadful "beer'" of choice of the lower classes is these days) and then beat an innocent bystander. then I will go back to my work on next gen space shuttle propulsion technology"

[rustyrobot]

...in the absence of an option of transport to the colonies (or even some offshore island somewhere)


I hear Australia is useful for this kind of solution. Otherwise there is always the South Island. :dodge:

Seriously though, I don't understand why people aren't made to work during their prison sentences. They should be able to make enough of whatever to almost neutralise the cost of their incarceration. The money now spent on prisons could be redirected towards things like parenting classes/support for young parents, and other social projects to keep young people involved with their community, and also in supporting victims of crime (who need to be more of a priority). I also like the idea of a years compulsory social work after high-school as in Germany, building pathways, helping out with the elderly etc. Something to rehumanise young people before they offend.

[avgas]

It appears that many Māori men run out of steam at around the age of 30 years and stop criminal activities ... however Pākehā men criminals tend to never stop ...
Yeah have to agree, Māori never get anything done.

[Banditbandit]

Its not like they leave their jobs at NASA or the JPL and go "I'm going to go get a skinful of speights or Tui (or whatever the dreadful "beer'" of choice of the lower classes is these days) and then beat an innocent bystander. then I will go back to my work on next gen space shuttle propulsion technology"

Bloody upper class twits ...


Yeah have to agree, Māori never get anything done.

And racist ones ...

Crims come in all shapes and sizes ... white, yellow, red and brown ...

I don't care ... shoot them all ... that's not based on a racist or classist attitude ... racism and clasism should be criminal offences ... and the offenders shot ..

Pol Pot was right - you can't kill and idea ... only the people who hold that idea ..

[cs363]

I take your point, I do.

My solution is a bullet in the head, followed by another bullet in the head.

Rationale is purely economic: I would end up supporting these scum for the rest of their days, and crucially, encouraging them to breed the next generation of scum. Yes, encouraging: its not like they will ever have jobs or be productive members of the body politic, and in the absence of an option of transport to the colonies (or even some offshore island somewhere) then the humane alternative is euthanasia.

Not too many repeat offenders after my solution is implemented I bet.

Yes, on reflection and after reading some of the comments opposed to the public flogging I have now come to the conclusion a firing squad would be the most cost efficient remedy.
I think this course of action would all but eliminate recidivist criminal activity.

http://www.cartoonstock.com/newscartoons/cartoonists/tzu/lowres/tzun838l.jpg

[Grubber]

Its not like they leave their jobs at NASA or the JPL and go "I'm going to go get a skinful of speights or Tui (or whatever the dreadful "beer'" of choice of the lower classes is these days) and then beat an innocent bystander. then I will go back to my work on next gen space shuttle propulsion technology"

It's Lion red actually. I take exception to your "speights" statement. Damn nice drop!:done:

[Grubber]

Its not like they leave their jobs at NASA or the JPL and go "I'm going to go get a skinful of speights or Tui (or whatever the dreadful "beer'" of choice of the lower classes is these days) and then beat an innocent bystander. then I will go back to my work on next gen space shuttle propulsion technology"

Just another thought....have you heard of John Gotti?
He was in a class of his own. Didn't drink beer at all and dressed very well.(The dappa DON i believe) Might need to tone down the class action there matey. Not very becoming.

[mashman]

Would getting rid of money fix my ingrown toenail as well...?

if living was free, you could probably do it yourself at a Group Class where a doctor will show you how to do it yourself. I've had both of my big toes done (still got a shard of nail that grows in one corner, starts ripping the socks, pull it with pliers tri-monthly, wife go :sick:) and it probably is something you could do yourself, whenever you had the time to go to the class :). You can then pass that knowledge on, or do strangers feet for them, should you be bery sneaky. So yes.

[Tink]

I'll line up with rotten eggs and fruit to throw after the whupping! But let's not forget that "their feelings might be hurt too much from the humiliation". Tough shit. Bring back public stocks I say.

Count me in... but can I have a few smashing pumpkins too!


How about waterballoons filled with aftershave?

Acid for these creeps... they don't deserve aftershave.


I hear Australia is useful for this kind of solution. Otherwise there is always the South Island. :dodge:

Seriously though, I don't understand why people aren't made to work during their prison sentences. .

I have been dribbling on about this for a while.. .like the dole, now prison why should they not work for their keep/ money like we have too... :Punk:

[imdying]

I don't understand why people aren't made to work during their prison sentences.So, I'm in prison... how are you going to make me work during my prison sentence? You say,"Work!", I say, "Come try and make me screw, and I'll stick a sharpened tooth brush in your eye socket".

[cs363]

So, I'm in prison... how are you going to make me work during my prison sentence? You say,"Work!", I say, "Come try and make me screw, and I'll stick a sharpened tooth brush in your eye socket".

Firing squad is sounding better all the time.....

[imdying]

The only alternative I can see making it viable is a quite brutal prison system... and given that that would probably produce people we'd need to shoot anyway, I guess we're back to square one.... now where is my Weatherby?

[cs363]

The only alternative I can see making it viable is a quite brutal prison system... and given that that would probably produce people we'd need to shoot anyway, I guess we're back to square one.... now where is my Weatherby?

Especially when you do the math, cost of keeping a prisoner in a NZ jail - approx $92,000 p.a. versus average cost of a bullet - approx $1.50. Even if you had a full firing squad of say six people, it's still looking good.....

(Source: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0707/S00500.htm)

[imdying]

Don't they cut the nuts off of pets to make them more placid? Would that work?

[avgas]

Pol Pot was right - you can't kill and idea ... only the people who hold that idea ..
Yeah but he got to that idea through trial and error.
His trials were killers I hear.

[avgas]

I still like the idea of a some kind of prison island.
I wonder how much someone would enjoy life after they had to fight for it.
Like Banditbandit said, keep em there until their 40's.
Then offer them a simple job and some something to live for.

Would it work?

[Duke girl]

Bloody low life thugs who deserve to rott in Hell. How would they feel if that happened to their own, eg: Sister, Mother, Aunty or girlfriend.
Tough guys they think they are but they are actually Mongrels and here's hoping that 1 day it happenes to them Big Time.:angry:

[Taz]

From my experience working with youth offenders I believe they would probably not be afraid of your whipping at all, and have probably had that and much worse in their life already. I know you all think that beating someone to within an inch of their life will teach them that beating someone to within an inch of their life is wrong, but I suggest they have already been taught that it is an acceptable way to get what you want. None of the violent youth offenders that I see grew up in 'time out' families. I totally understand your anger, but as the saying goes "for every complex problem there is a simple solution, and it's wrong".

Simple solution - Put them to death. Problem solved.