Have you ever had a current learner bike that the power made you crash?

[The Pastor]

Simple poll. Keep this about the power, and not the skill required to ride a bike.

[ducatilover]

No, don't be silly.
Only a two smoker would manage that....

[JohnJumper]

Definitely not from power alone

[Subike]

not even on a two smoka, attitude :woohoo:

[EJK]

I flipped a wheelie on my FXR. It just had so much power.

[SMOKEU]

I've had a few close calls, but that was more due to stupidity than anything else.

[george formby]

Not current but my trusty old de-restricted KMX 125 spat me off the back a couple of times when my clutch & throttle control was still in it's infancy.

[maggot]

I have a feeling my old RGV would've killed me if it hadn't have blown up. That thing was just too fun..

[MarkH]

No, don't be silly.
Only a two smoker would manage that....

Mine was a 2 smoker ('79 Suzuki GT250X7) and even then I never crashed due to too much power - been close due to too much right wrist though!

[ducatilover]

Mine was a 2 smoker ('79 Suzuki GT250X7) and even then I never crashed due to too much power - been close due to too much right wrist though!

I was meaning the likes of a young squid hopping on to a de-restricted RS250 :shit: :blink: :shutup: :bye:

[avgas]

3 times.
I learn by doing however.
Unlike other pussies on here.

[breakaway]

I rode 4Cyl 400s, 600s, v-twin 650s and a 4cyl 1000 on my 6L/6R licence, have 6F now.

The 400 caused me to have a pretty severe crash because I wasn't prepared for the power. After that I learnt to respect the throttle, and never had any issues with crashing. Have had the rear step out and the front lift up every now and then (private roads of course).

[R6_kid]

I rode 4Cyl 400s, 600s, v-twin 650s and a 4cyl 1000 on my 6L/6R licence, have 6F now.

The 400 caused me to have a pretty severe crash because I wasn't prepared for the power. After that I learnt to respect the throttle, and never had any issues with crashing. Have had the rear step out and the front lift up every now and then (private roads of course).

So you started 'learning' on a bike that was too powerful for you, then progressively upgraded to more and more powerful bikes, and are now at the point where you still can't control the power available from your current bike. Sounds to me like you didn't do a lot of learning.

[release_the_bees]

I managed to high side my first KR150 by accelerating hard out of a roundabout in the wet, then shutting the power off after the back slid out (which, at the time. I thought was the right thing to do). I can't blame this solely on the power though, as inexperience had a lot to do with this, both in losing control in the first place and not being able to recover.

[PrincessBandit]

The ginny was a wild machine!!






Nah, kidding. It never spat me off.

[hellokitty]

My Suzuki RM125 was nuts! My husband said it would be a great dirt bike for me to learn on :angry: I think he got me to buy it so he could ride it, as he seemed to be the only one in the family that could control it!

[release_the_bees]

My Suzuki RM125 was nuts! My husband said it would be a great dirt bike for me to learn on :angry: I think he got me to buy it so he could ride it, as he seemed to be the only one in the family that could control it!

My brother had one of those, so I know what you mean. The throttle seemed to have just two positions, closed or wide open!

[slowpoke]

Simple poll. Keep this about the power, and not the skill required to ride a bike.

How can you separate the two? How can you use the word "learner" and exclude skill?

Power simply means you can get into a whole lot more trouble, in a shorter time/space and the consequences are far more serious. It could be attempting a dodgy pass on your RGV250 that you wouldn't dream of on your GN250. It could be hitting a tractor pulling out of a farm gate on the open road at 150kph vs wheezing along at 110, with the throttle pinned and your chin on the tank.

Bikes are like guns, by themselves they are harmless, it's just the person pulling the trigger (throttle) that does the damage. It's hard to argue against teaching someone the basics with a slug (excuse the pun) gun rather than a .38 is the right way to go.

[The Pastor]

How can you separate the two? How can you use the word "learner" and exclude skill?

Power simply means you can get into a whole lot more trouble, in a shorter time/space and the consequences are far more serious. It could be attempting a dodgy pass on your RGV250 that you wouldn't dream of on your GN250. It could be hitting a tractor pulling out of a farm gate on the open road at 150kph vs wheezing along at 110, with the throttle pinned and your chin on the tank.

Bikes are like guns, by themselves they are harmless, it's just the person pulling the trigger (throttle) that does the damage. It's hard to argue against teaching someone the basics with a slug (excuse the pun) gun rather than a .38 is the right way to go.

yes but how many road legal 2 stroke 250s are on the market? very few. Why make a law to outlaw them?

[The Pastor]

3 times.
I learn by doing however.
Unlike other pussies on here.

care to share?

[The Pastor]

Just to put things in perspective.

I had a gpz1000 as my first proper road bike. good for 240km/hr 10 second 1/4 mile etc.

tooons of power, did it cause me crash? not once. Did my lack of experience cause me to crash? once (on a 250 lol)

[ducatilover]

Just to put things in perspective.

I had a gpz1000 as my first proper road bike. good for 240km/hr 10 second 1/4 mile etc.

tooons of power, did it cause me crash? not once. Did my lack of experience cause me to crash? once (on a 250 lol)

I had a GPZ400R as my first road bike, I didn't crash that. I crashed a 250 once due to me not seeing the diesel slick on the Rimutakas and ACC didn't have to pay a thing it was that minor.
I am personally a supporter of the idea of a KW/KG threshold, it just needs adjusting. I think the CBR/ZXR/FZR/GSX-R should all be allowed, but people will have a wider range of bikes, especially for those looking into the cruiser market. I personally, would start over again on a GB400TT as a first bike.

[onearmedbandit]

So you started 'learning' on a bike that was too powerful for you, then progressively upgraded to more and more powerful bikes, and are now at the point where you still can't control the power available from your current bike. Sounds to me like you didn't do a lot of learning.

Just curious how you came to this decision. Was it because of the piece of paper, or simply the cc size?

[all4A50s]

I think I managed to remodel a couple of my first bikes through crashing. I do think that there are some serious machines out there that shouldn't be ridden by a newbie so restricting the power output available is a good option. I also think there should be another period that doesn't involve any testing, but for the first year you have your full licence/returning to riding after at least a ten year break you are restricted to 400cc.

Let's see ... most memorable;
Riding my AC50 through my parents front entrance windows when trying to stall it as I had lost the key. Coming off my DT175 backwards when I rolled into a wire arm fence. Coming off the AC50 after I modified it but didn't align the chain properly.

Most serious;
Taking the wrong line out of a corner on my H100, hitting a dirt bank and doing synchronized spinning through the air = injured back, neck and knee.

Having to drop my RG50 coming down Ngauranga Gorge in the wet when a car pulled in front of me = rolling down the hill and luckily no cars hit me.

Then there's the crashing while racing...

In saying this I haven't come off a big bike yet in part as I find people see you better.

[davebullet]

I've dropped one, but never crashed one. In the wet maybe (launching and spinning it up), or dropping the clutch with the back stepped out on a loose surface....

[Suntoucher]

Closest to a crash I've come was an extremely tight roundabout on a new front-tyre, lowsiding at about 15km/h. Otherwise not even close on either of my 250s yet.

[Maki]

You twist your wrist, not your bike. Anyone who thinks the power of a bike makes them crash is delusional. If you are riding the bike and it crashes, then you are the one who made it crash.

[Bass]

I beg to differ.
I worked with a guy who built up a mini-bike with twin Mac 45's on it (early 100cc kart racing motors).
It was only 200cc and so could qualify as a learner machine I guess.
He was the only one who could ride it. Everybody else, it spat off the back.

[ellipsis]

.....first ride ever on a jap bike , new TS400 Apache, lack of power to the brain at the tender age of about 14 had me doing my first wheelie ever , also.:shit:..very unintentional...tore half way through a seven strand fence...still on the back wheel...sudden stop ....did more damage to my arse trying to get untangled from the top strand of barbed-wire....definite case of too much power being fed by an underpowered brain....quite common I believe...

[rgv250]

i got a rgv250 and its not the power the gets ya but the sudden burst on a 2 smoker. 1st or 2nd gear on mine and u let it hit power band and unless ur a big boy or ur leaning over the front wheel it snapps up real quick. so its not the power tht causes crashes but its the uncontrollible side of it on mine, if u knw were the power is and were to be wen u use it then ur fine. its all on comon sence and exsperience, 2 strokes are prob the worse bike for learners but they are so dam fast :D

[fuknKIWI]

The bloke that worked on our farm asked me to help him teach his son to ride one Satdee arvo, I said yeah set up a little course & off we went...
Poor little bugger couldn't handle the course or the.... wait for it YZ80...
I said ...
LET ME SHOW YOU HOW:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:
:violin::violin::violin: well it didn't throw me but (& it is a big but) it took several laps before we got acquainted could't keeep the fron t wheel down in the first 3 gears:shit::shit:
He traded it for an RM80 then we got the little bugger riding:sunny:

[The Everlasting]

I remember when I first got my 250 Bandit,I gave it too much throttle in first gear,and almost fell off...:laugh:

[MarkH]

I remember when I first got my 250 Bandit,I gave it too much throttle in first gear,and almost fell off...:laugh:

Probably wouldn't have happened with a GN. Though you'd have to be careful going from a GN to something with . . . well, you know . . . power.

[Sidewinder]

Simple poll. Keep this about the power, and not the skill required to ride a bike.

hahaha scotty boi, its not the power but the lack of handling that the bikes have

[Banditbandit]

No, don't be silly.
Only a two smoker would manage that....

Naa .. not even .. way back in the day my learner bike was a BSA Bantam (125 two-stroker for the uninitiated) ... no way would that have so much power I'd crash ...

Piss poor brakes might lead to a crash ...

[avgas]

care to share?
1) Riding a severe 2smoker, hit powerband (unexpectedly) mid-way through 40km corner. Experience from that was to never overbake the corner until you can see around it.

2) Pulled a wheelie on my old TS185 only to find there was a slight delay from throttle change to power download.........bike then rode me. Lesson : don't keep adding throttle to a situation

3) Gave same TS185 the berries one day to roost a corner. Bike got traction mid-roost, and wheelie straight into tree.

I have also had instances on many smaller capacity bikes. Including launching a KTM250 into a tree as I couldn't see the top of the hill.

But I wouldn't trade my scars and the lessons I learnt for anything.

[ducatilover]

hahaha scotty boi, its not the power but the lack of handling that the bikes have

A decent 250 will handle as well as anything....if not better. Then again, I think the majority of the "learner" crashes are from inexperience, not the power of the bike. Restricting the power of the bike will help though.
My own large crash was inexperience, wouldn't call it a learners bike though :facepalm:

[shrub]

It had a narrow and savage little power band that combined with appalling brakes meant it was a handful. It would be crawling, then suddenly it would shreik with anger and leap forwards. If you hit the brakes they either did nothing or locked the front wheel.

Spat me off a few times. Fuck I loved that bike.

[The Pastor]

hahaha scotty boi, its not the power but the lack of handling that the bikes have


yea i know this poll was made when they were talking about the powerful 250's causing all the accidents....

[EJK]

2) Pulled a wheelie on my old TS185 only to find there was a slight delay from throttle change to power download.........bike then rode me. Lesson : don't keep adding throttle to a situation


Whe he hey! Join the club.

[Sidewinder]

1) Riding a severe 2smoker, hit powerband (unexpectedly) mid-way through 40km corner. Experience from that was to never overbake the corner until you can see around it.

2) Pulled a wheelie on my old TS185 only to find there was a slight delay from throttle change to power download.........bike then rode me. Lesson : don't keep adding throttle to a situation

3) Gave same TS185 the berries one day to roost a corner. Bike got traction mid-roost, and wheelie straight into tree.

I have also had instances on many smaller capacity bikes. Including launching a KTM250 into a tree as I couldn't see the top of the hill.

But I wouldn't trade my scars and the lessons I learnt for anything.

bro avy i think you just need to stay the fuck away from trees!

[Sidewinder]

A decent 250 will handle as well as anything....if not better. Then again, I think the majority of the "learner" crashes are from inexperience, not the power of the bike. Restricting the power of the bike will help though.
My own large crash was inexperience, wouldn't call it a learners bike though :facepalm:

ya reckon? i crashedmy 600 way less than my 250! and didnt even crash the 800

[ducatilover]

ya reckon? i crashedmy 600 way less than my 250! and didnt even crash the 800

I think it was inexperience :innocent: It wasn't the power or the torque, it was the loose nut behind the bars.

[Sidewinder]

I think it was inexperience :innocent: It wasn't the power or the torque, it was the loose nut behind the bars.

nah it because i rode slow, only slow people crash the fast ones hardly ever do. just watch some bike racing and its always the slow ones that bin

[ducatilover]

nah it because i rode slow, only slow people crash the fast ones hardly ever do. just watch some bike racing and its always the slow ones that bin

So...theoretically I need to ride a whole lot faster? :innocent:

[Sidewinder]

So...theoretically I need to ride a whole lot faster? :innocent:

sure do, fast youe on the road the safer you are because you are going to be out of the dangour a whole lot faster!!!:facepalm:

[ducatilover]

sure do, fast youe on the road the safer you are because you are going to be out of the dangour a whole lot faster!!!:facepalm:

Shit that makes a lot of sense! One problem, I only have a Honda...

[Sidewinder]

Shit that makes a lot of sense! One problem, I only have a Honda...

ive had two! nice to see that someone understands my fucked up way of thinking

[DEATH_INC.]

Years ago I flipped a KX125 doing a wheelie down the road, does that count?

[ducatilover]

ive had two! nice to see that someone understands my fucked up way of thinking

This is my third....:facepalm: Mind you, the Kwaka and Zuki I had were both shite...

[Sharry]

I'm not sure that a bike can make you crash, but I am sure that you can make the bike crash.....

[Sidewinder]

This is my third....:facepalm: Mind you, the Kwaka and Zuki I had were both shite...

yea the kwaka i had was shit. my poozuki was a real good bike and i just havnt felt gay enough to get a yamaha

[ducatilover]

I'm not sure that a bike can make you crash, but I am sure that you can make the bike crash.....

My point exactly :innocent:


yea the kwaka i had was shit. my poozuki was a real good bike and i just havnt felt gay enough to get a yamaha

I was thinking about a Yammy a while ago, but, couldn't stand the rectal pains.

[Sidewinder]

My point exactly :innocent:



I was thinking about a Yammy a while ago, but, couldn't stand the rectal pains.
yea bmw looks the way to go i think

[ducatilover]

yea bmw looks the way to go i think

The S thou ARRR ARRRRR? :love:

[Sidewinder]

The S thou ARRR ARRRRR? :love:

thats the one. i always have my hands all over one but still never been for a spin on one

[avgas]

I'm not sure that a bike can make you crash, but I am sure that you can make the bike crash.....
What a sheltered life you have lived. Those are the best ones.
The ones with character.

[ducatilover]

What a sheltered life you have lived. Those are the best ones.
The ones with character.
Like an early TL1000?


thats the one. i always have my hands all over one but still never been for a spin on one

I'd love to take one for a blast, would probably scare the pants off me though.

[Sidewinder]

I'd love to take one for a blast, would probably scare the pants off me though.
yea bro this is the one that i do work on
223654

[ducatilover]

yea bro this is the one that i do work on
http://www.facebook.com/#!/photo.php?fbid=472369912552&set=a.472366377552.251000.604317552&pid=6237722&id=604317552

Niiiiiiiiiiiiiice, I want it.

[Sidewinder]

Niiiiiiiiiiiiiice, I want it.

yea there a weapon and sound tuff when you short shift with the quick shifter, gives a real loud pop when short shifting from 2nd to 3rd coming out of the hair pin at hampton down. kinda like a shotgun that gives you a hard on

[Sidewinder]

read more abut it here
http://www.facebook.com/#!/M1motorsport

[avgas]

Like an early TL1000?
You mean a low flying helicopter ;)

[ducatilover]

read more abut it here
http://www.facebook.com/#!/M1motorsport
Bloody grouse machine! Much jealous, my small Honda suddenly seems.....beige.

You mean a low flying helicopter ;)

:shutup:

[Sidewinder]

Bloody grouse machine! Much jealous, my small Honda suddenly seems.....beige.


:shutup:

yea im jealous aswell bud, thous arnt that big anyway, well not the new ones, the old ones well yea a tank from ww2 would be smaller

[ducatilover]

yea im jealous aswell bud, thous arnt that big anyway, well not the new ones, the old ones well yea a tank from ww2 would be smaller
By small I mean 55rwhp :facepalm:
I've sat on a few of the newer thous, they are generally extremely compact :love:

[Sidewinder]

By small I mean 55rwhp :facepalm:
I've sat on a few of the newer thous, they are generally extremely compact :love:

yeah thats what i sayabout my dick, its very compact but throws a big punch but the girls still dont want it

[ducatilover]

yeah thats what i sayabout my dick, its very compact but throws a big punch but the girls still dont want it

Mine's not that cool. It has gunk build up and the head is fucked...

:blink:

[Sidewinder]

Mine's not that cool. It has gunk build up and the head is fucked...

:blink:

yea after you have been through a few barrels you find that your piston starts to get alot of werid marks on it......

[ducatilover]

yea after you have been through a few barrels you find that your piston starts to get alot of werid marks on it......

Yes, but, it's more exciting than fitting the grooves on one barrel.