ACC vehicle modifications [Archive]

Tomc

5th October 2010, 19:48

Hi. have just started to get back into riding after 8 months off the bike due to a spinal injury (non bike related). I smashed my t12 vertebrae wich has left me paralysed from the knee down in my right leg. With little chance of getting movement back im looking for ways around not being able to use a rear brake pedal. I have come across thumb operated rear brakes on the net wich seems like the most practical solution. My question is does anyone know if acc fund vehicle modifications to bikes? I know they fund modifications to cars to allow people to drive with disabilities because they were going to convert my car to a left foot accelerator but i just drive it with both feet now. Ive emailed my case manager but havnt had a reply yet. Just wondering if anyones had any experience with acc in the past on this sort of thing.

Cheers.

sil3nt

5th October 2010, 20:31

kiwi cowboy

5th October 2010, 20:41

Is the rear brake necessary? Ok it does reduce the braking distance in emergencies but with normal riding front brake is fine. Im sure most people don't use rear brake at all anyway!

Sorry i know that doesnt answer your question :facepalm:

Depends on the bike.
Sport bike type probably not as much as a cruiser type.
I owned a vs800 and found the rear was very effective.

Vinz0r

5th October 2010, 20:43

Is the rear brake necessary? Ok it does reduce the braking distance in emergencies but with normal riding front brake is fine. Im sure most people don't use rear brake at all anyway!

Sorry i know that doesnt answer your question :facepalm:

Wait what? The rear brake is the one that you should be using most extensively. When braking you want to be applying your rear brake first to lessen the load on the front wheel, if you're justing using your front brake your front wheel will be taking the full load, this significantly increases the chance of it letting go. ALWAYS brake with the rear first!

Subike

5th October 2010, 20:48

I have friends who ride withone leg, and they have had foot controls fitted to the one side of the bike, so to have both the gerar lever and the frake on the same side is sort of common place, not a huge engineering problem and probably something the ACC would get involved with. there are a few who race early britich bike who have converted there foot controls to opp sides, with success, Joe Annon comes to mind, he races a trumpet with swapped pedals.
I have a friend who rideas a sodtail , he has no right leg and both pedals are on the left

sil3nt

5th October 2010, 20:59

Wait what? The rear brake is the one that you should be using most extensively. When braking you want to be applying your rear brake first to lessen the load on the front wheel, if you're justing using your front brake your front wheel will be taking the full load, this significantly increases the chance of it letting go. ALWAYS brake with the rear first!If your braking enough to have the front let go your going way to fast and braking way to late!

Maybe i just ride like a poof. Someone sell me a Honda. Shit were getting off topic now sorry :shutup:

BALZYBUELL

5th October 2010, 21:04

back brake is not needed as much as front,except in emergencys and on the track.well thats the only time i use mine anyway:yes:

The Pastor

5th October 2010, 21:05

i would suggest linked brakes - the front hand lever dose both the front and the back at the same time - i think they are adjustable to how much bias front:rear you can do like 80:20 etc

Tomc

5th October 2010, 21:10

Im curently riding a zxr 400 and have just rebuilt the front brakes and put new pads in and braided lines so i can easily stop with just the fronts but i like to have a bit of rear brake aswell. Hill starts with no rear brake are a real pain. The thumb brakes i have seen are gonna run me about $700 with a braided line, Im not worried about it enough at the moment to pay $700 but if i can get it funded or partially funded then id be keen to get it done. Its a nice to have but probably not 100% essential. Do you think a driving instructor will have a major problem with having no rear brake when i get round to doing my restricted finally?

Squiggles

5th October 2010, 21:12

You can get thumb rear brakes...

scracha

5th October 2010, 21:16

Gubb

5th October 2010, 21:27

Wait what? The rear brake is the one that you should be using most extensively. When braking you want to be applying your rear brake first to lessen the load on the front wheel, if you're justing using your front brake your front wheel will be taking the full load, this significantly increases the chance of it letting go. ALWAYS brake with the rear first!
Thanks for the tip, maybe you can teach me about counter-steering next, and then how to get "the clap", being that you're from "hamiltr0n" and all.

Vinz0r

5th October 2010, 21:31

Way to be a tool, thanks for your helpful input.

sil3nt

5th October 2010, 21:36

Do you think a driving instructor will have a major problem with having no rear brake when i get round to doing my restricted finally?They ask you to use them to make sure the lights are working before you leave. Just make sure you are not on the bike and standing next to it so you can use your other foot to do it. Should be fine! Might have a problem with you being on a 400 though :bleh:

Vinz0r

5th October 2010, 21:38

Complete and utter shite.

Would you please explain to me why I'm wrong? (Not trolling or trying to start an argument, I'm actually curious and if I'm under a false impression I wouldn't mind being corrected.)

Headbanger

5th October 2010, 21:40

Pretty sure my bike doesn't have a rear brake.

Sure there is a brake lever down by my foot but im sure its some sort of retro-fuckery, just there for looks.

I have pressed it a few times, to fuck all effect.

Headbanger

5th October 2010, 21:42

Wait what? The rear brake is the one that you should be using most extensively. When braking you want to be applying your rear brake first to lessen the load on the front wheel, if you're justing using your front brake your front wheel will be taking the full load, this significantly increases the chance of it letting go. ALWAYS brake with the rear first!

You speak from inexperience, Suggest you stfu, No one likes to see someone spread misinformation.

Unless its about your mum.

Headbanger

5th October 2010, 21:43

Thanks for the tip, maybe you can teach me about counter-steering next, and then how to get "the clap", being that you're from "hamiltr0n" and all.

I can help.

Send round some skank pussy, I'll fuck her and send her back so you can have a go.

Gubb

5th October 2010, 21:47

I can help.

Send round some skank pussy, I'll fuck her and send her back so you can have a go.
Speaking of which, whatever happened to the BRU?

Mental Trousers

5th October 2010, 22:05

That's not correct.

The reason for applying the rear brake first is that it helps to compress the front suspension and stabilize it so that when you apply lots of pressure on the front brake it doesn't lock up from lack of weight.

Having properly adjusted and maintained suspension you can get away with not using the rear brake at all. You throttle off, the front dips a bit but doesn't bounce and you can then apply lots of front brake without washing out.

Weight on the front = grip at the front

Wait what? The rear brake is the one that you should be using most extensively. When braking you want to be applying your rear brake first to lessen the load on the front wheel, if you're justing using your front brake your front wheel will be taking the full load, this significantly increases the chance of it letting go. ALWAYS brake with the rear first!

pete376403

5th October 2010, 22:21

Would you please explain to me why I'm wrong? (Not trolling or trying to start an argument, I'm actually curious and if I'm under a false impression I wouldn't mind being corrected.)
Weight transfer during braking (with front brake) puts more weight onto front tyre increasing contact between road and tyre. Ever wondered why bikes have two disks on the front and only one (or a drum brake) on the rear? It's not for looks.
Conversely when braking with rear brake the back tyre is unloaded and will lock (and thus skid) more easily.

Alos regardless of how ineffective the back brake may or may not be - with regard to the original post. The guy wants both brakes (and has to have two brakes if the bike is to pass a warrant).

ACC may well pay for the alterations, but will probably want to increase registration fees to cover it

Vinz0r

5th October 2010, 22:27

Thanks for the explanation guys, always good to be corrected when you're under a false impression.

SMOKEU

5th October 2010, 22:52

I can help.

Send round some skank pussy, I'll fuck her and send her back so you can have a go.

:Playnice:

davereid

6th October 2010, 07:37

Do you think a driving instructor will have a major problem with having no rear brake when i get round to doing my restricted finally?

Hmm I like that one.

As actually, your bike will have a rear brake, and will be at WOF standard.

Its just that you are unable to use it.

Renegade Master made the excellent suggestion of linked brakes, but no doubt NZTA will have a series of expensive hoops for you to jump through if you want to add them.

This is no doubt the case for your thumb operated brake as well, unless you can show thats it is OEM equipment for your motorcycle.

Once again, your desire to be safe and have good brakes is likely to be well fucked over by the NZTA and the law of unintended consequences.

FROSTY

6th October 2010, 07:51

And back to the question asked .......
I feel you are extremely unlikely to get funding to modify your bike from ACC.
Rightly or wrongly their view is that bikes are dangerous and cars are safe.
If you do decide to explore fitting a thumb brake yourself you will need to get a cert for the modification.

MSTRS

6th October 2010, 07:51

This is a valid point. TPTB are making it harder to legally fit, or substitute, non-OEM equipment to any vehicle.
Wof requirements are for brakes at both ends, whether you use both or not.
Both activators must operate the brake light - this might be the sticking point, in that a single activator (lever/pedal) negates this ability.

p.dath

6th October 2010, 07:52

Wait what? The rear brake is the one that you should be using most extensively. When braking you want to be applying your rear brake first to lessen the load on the front wheel, if you're justing using your front brake your front wheel will be taking the full load, this significantly increases the chance of it letting go. ALWAYS brake with the rear first!

It's not such a black and white issue. Check out my blog on emergency braking, and you'll see opinions vary on the subject based on where in the world you are from, and what kind of bike you have.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/entry.php/1453-Motorcycle-Emergency-Braking

p.dath

6th October 2010, 07:54

Do you think a driving instructor will have a major problem with having no rear brake when i get round to doing my restricted finally?

The only thing they will care about is that you can demonstrate that you can do all the items in the test in a safe manner.

dogsnbikes

6th October 2010, 08:03

Pretty sure my bike doesn't have a rear brake.

Sure there is a brake lever down by my foot but im sure its some sort of retro-fuckery, just there for looks.

Its coz you only have half a swingarm leaving no place for a rear brake :facepalm:

Mom

6th October 2010, 08:08

Speaking of which, whatever happened to the BRU?

We never smelled like pooh, silly MB's pussied out and stopped defending themselves from the death blows of the bithces :yes:

imdying

6th October 2010, 08:38

Ok Jantar, you've got time to harrass people in the Paul Henry thread about, shock horror, making racist statements like "I hate niggers" or whatever, but you can't take 5 minutes to something that is actually useful, like sweeping out the gutter that is thread??! Seriously, reprioritise... this guys needs help and people hating on those black scumbags is never gonna change.

have come across thumb operated rear brakes on the net wich seems like the most practical solution.Yeah, a little pricey the ones I've seen, but will work good.

My question is does anyone know if acc fund vehicle modifications to bikes?Keep hassling your case manager.

Ive emailed my case manager but havnt had a reply yet. Just wondering if anyones had any experience with acc in the past on this sort of thing.PM the onearmedbandit on here, he knows the ropes in that regard. We can help plumb in your thumb brake too.

There's also a dual lever bar mounted master cylinder that is popular with stunters... $$$$ though.

spajohn

6th October 2010, 09:51

i would suggest linked brakes - the front hand lever dose both the front and the back at the same time - i think they are adjustable to how much bias front:rear you can do like 80:20 etc

My bike has partially integrated ABS...meaning the lever does both front and back brakes with ABS, pedal is rear (without ABS I believe).

As for braking comments the California Superbike school teach you to complete your braking while your bike is upright before the corner...you should only be accelerating once you're in the corner.

Up shot of both of these is I almost never use the pedal...

scracha

6th October 2010, 21:15

It's not such a black and white issue. Check out my blog on emergency braking, and you'll see opinions vary on the subject based on where in the world you are from, and what kind of bike you have.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/entry.php/1453-Motorcycle-Emergency-Braking

Yeah it is. C'mon, just admit you're totally wrong on this :innocent:

For braking, it's FRONT then REAR. Only exception to this is on low grip situations (ice, snow, gravel) or when manouvering at around walking speed.
This is replicated in real world emergency situations where it's GRAB A FUGGIN HANDFUL closely followed by STAMPING ON PEDAL.

Headbanger

6th October 2010, 21:24

Its coz you only have half a swingarm leaving no place for a rear brake :facepalm:

Feck, I didn't even notice, Iv'e been too damn busy looking for the fuel tap.

Damn thing has got to be there somewhere, Its just not natural.

BMWST?

6th October 2010, 21:36

Yeah it is. C'mon, just admit you're totally wrong on this :innocent:

For braking, it's FRONT then REAR. Only exception to this is on low grip situations (ice, snow, gravel) or when manouvering at around walking speed.
This is replicated in real world emergency situations where it's GRAB A FUGGIN HANDFUL closely followed by STAMPING ON PEDAL.

No, rear then front is correct for reasons mentioned earlier