Braided brake line legality

[Jonno.]

Do braided brake lines really have to have a stamp on them? All I can find is that they need to be crimped or similarly machined onto the hose in the VIR manual:

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/virm-in-service-cert-wof-only/docs/mc-8-brakes.pdf

(april 2010 version).

[MSTRS]

They used to, at least.
The other thing to be aware of is the kind of banjo...
<img src=http://www.rjays.com/All-Star/all-star_imgs/ALL48195.jpg>
Hose crimped directly on the banjo is legal. Screw in type banjo is not.
In saying that, YT's bike has screw in type and it gets wofs just fine.

[F5 Dave]

odd, it used to specify DOT or similar marking. See note 2 at the btm about not being un done with hand tools. Imdying should be along in a while for the good oil.

[Max Preload]

No marking requirements anymore. The fitting immediately on hose must not be able to be removed with hand tools but banjo can screw into it.

[imdying]

Screw in type banjo is not.Yes it is, perfectly legal.


No marking requirements anymore. The fitting immediately on hose must not be able to be removed with hand tools but banjo can screw into it.What he said :yes:

I can get the numbers if you like (ADR7 and SAE J1702 or something close), but just follow the VIR and that's all you need.

[Subike]

Try contacting these people,, there is a link in their page to their New Zealand agents

http://www.braidedhoses.com.au

If they are selling braded brake lines to the public, then by law they will have to be compliant with LTSA spec.

At least you can ask them the spec for NZ roading compliance.

Most bike enthusiasts already know that by changing the ‘original’ rubber brake hoses to ‘Street Legal’ Stainless Steel Braided Hoses gives the best value for money results.

This is because rubber brake hose expansion is experienced at the lever; it gives a spongy feel under hard/firm braking and can result in an increase in braking distance.

[imdying]

If they are selling braded brake lines to the public, then by law they will have to be compliant with LTSA spec.Which law and what spec?

[MSTRS]

Yes it is, perfectly legal.

Perhaps the law changed? I do know that first time I ran YT's bike through a wof at OnRoad (before they were swallowed by VTNZ) the tester showed me a set of photos of types allowed/not allowed. YTs was on the not list, but he said as far as he was concerned, if there were no leaks etc it was all good...


If they are selling braded brake lines to the public, then by law they will have to be compliant with LTSA spec.


Only for road use, and that decision is up to the rider, not the parts shop. Things can be legal on the track, anyway...

[imdying]

Perhaps the law changed?Long time ago, maybe 6 years? Basically, they were hit over the head with some simple logic... if it isn't good enough to screw an banjo into a crimped fitting, then it's not good enough to use a banjo bolt period.

[F5 Dave]

well I think the problem was with sacrificial olive type fittings people would undo the fitting to realign a twist & do them back up, but they were a one time shot. I have heard of two failures like this. New olive every time if so equiped.

[AllanB]

http://www.helperformance.co.nz/

[Max Preload]

If they are selling braded brake lines to the public, then by law they will have to be compliant with LTSA spec.
Which law and what spec?Oi! I didn't say that! :angry2:

[Jonno.]

Thanks everyone. The reason I asked was I got a set of Hel lines from the UK which boast street legality anywhere in the world but when they came they had no markings and from what I had read here I assumed they needed stamps.

[Kickaha]

This is because rubber brake hose expansion is experienced at the lever; it gives a spongy feel under hard/firm braking and can result in an increase in braking distance.

Only if you're comparing old fucked rubber hoses to brand new new braided hoses which is what most people are doing

[AllanB]

I suspect the reason that most people notice such a difference with braided lines is the fresh fluid they put in on the change. Do the same with your stock lines and you'll be equally impressed if the original fuild was any older than 2 years.

But the SS lines are sure purdy :yes:

[F5 Dave]

hmm, rubber hoses do tend to get baggy esp older models like Yams of the 80s/90s the hoses got dreadful. I think newer hoses are probably less prone to it but I have no proof.

PS you can buy HEL lines from Alert in auckers which came with the markings, not that that seems to be as much an issue now.


Which still surprises me. This requirement seems to have more reversals than an Italian tank brigade.

[MikeL]

I had a chat with Mike at Red Baron about this. He says that the regulations keep changing and most WOF testing stations have no real idea. He proved it by showing me that the fittings on my braided hoses on the Yamaha are not compliant (they're not crimped), but I've gone through at least 8 WOF checks since I bought the bike without any mention of brake hoses...

[Max Preload]

I had a chat with Mike at Red Baron about this. He says that the regulations keep changing and most WOF testing stations have no real idea. He proved it by showing me that the fittings on my braided hoses on the Yamaha are not compliant (they're not crimped), but I've gone through at least 8 WOF checks since I bought the bike without any mention of brake hoses...Care to put up a photo of the hose ends?

[MikeL]

Care to put up a photo of the hose ends?


Will see what I can do.

[98tls]

I found the easisty way to avoid any hassles was simply buy the braided lines from the bike shop that gives me my Wof,pretty hard for them then to turn around and fail my bike.Got these from local Zuki dealer,who fwiw made no mention of the Busa calipers.

[MikeL]

Here's a pic of mine221071