Why buy via your local distributor?

[Eddieb]

RANT

I've had a few things on my shopping list recently.

I was after a Uni Prefilter for the 950 a month or so back. Went into my local dealer and they got onto the NZ distributor to find out a price and availability for me. 2 weeks later and numerous followups by my dealer and they still can't get a response from the distributor.
So I went direct and purchased the filter from UNI in Australia online. $50 and 4 days later I have my filter.

I now want to get some crashbars for the 950 and the SW Motech ones seem popular overseas, there's a NZ distributor and the price fits into my budget. So it's off to my local dealer again who contacts the distributor. After 3 weeks I finally get a reply on availability and they can't/won't supply until January at the earliest, so if I went ahead with that it's a 4 month lead time from enquiry to supply, 1/3 of a year!

So today I'm getting onto the internet again and I'm going to send my hard earned cash overseas cause NZ distributors obviously don't want it and so far definately don't deserve it.

/RANT

[p.dath]

So today I'm getting onto the internet again and I'm going to send my hard earned cash overseas cause NZ distributors obviously don't want it and so far definately don't deserve it.

Think of it like this. Either way your hard earned cash is going overseas.

With the NZ distributor a cut stays in NZ, and you'd hope that cut enables them to carry stock, respond to enquiries in a timely manner, and be knowledgeable in their product.
Alas, sometimes that cut does not enable this.

[Woodman]

I think the problem is that they know that they you can get this stuff online at a similar price to what they can supply it to you, and its just not worth the effort for the small margin (if any) they will make on the purchase. They need to be more up front and tell you what the cost is and the options for freighting and let you make up your mind, and then follow through.

They also need to box a bit cleverer and bypass some of the local distributors to reduce the channels. The problem is that any supplier overseas will want a commitment of how much they are willing to spend which will determine their discount status, and just one shop in NZ is not going to spend enough unless they have big bollocks or a lot of spare cash.

Its tough out there

[buggsubique]

disintermediation is the term I believe... supply chain issue leading to more competitive market place....which I guess presumably at some point someone will lose in the competition.

[dino3310]

small country blah blah blah.
theres the odd shop around that will sort things quick smart and the ones i use arent franchised or marquees (plug... http://www.motoxparts.co.nz/index.php - http://www.demitry.co.nz/motoxstuff/) normally the little fellas will do there utmost to find and sort stuff for you, but a lot of the time its easier and cheaper to do it your self online. Dont worry fellas when i win lotto i'l have the mother of ADV shops :Punk:

[JATZ]

At least you gave the local guys a chance to take your money, lots would just get online and buy the stuff.
Here's a question...... At what point would you draw the line ?
If you can get goods from overseas why can't your retailer do the same thing and perhaps charge an extra $20-$30 ?
Would you support your local retailer or do it yourself and save a couple of $$ ?

[dino3310]

@jatz

yep i would cause that extra 20-30 would go a long way in my household

[tri boy]

NZ retailers have to walk a fine line with their suppliers, (wholesalers likes Nationwide, Whites etc).
Yes, they could sidestep the wholesalers, (that generally have a supply agreement with companies like motionpro and the like), but if they direct import to save the public some $$, then the bussiness/supply system with the wholesalers turns sour quickly, (I have witnessed this at one shop I worked at).

Most retailers wouldn't begrudge joe public shopping for parts etcfrom overseas if the savings are huge, or the local importers don't carry the parts themselves.

I think all they want is the public to support them when they can, so their doors stay open, keep locals in a job, and after sales service, (warranties etc) are supported.

Local bike shops are like your aging knees.
You'll miss them terribly when they are gone. MHO

[Box'a'bits]

As a further example of where it worthwhile using a local lad - I needed a speedo for the GS build. Trailtech USA was hoping to charge me as much in freight as the actual speedo & dash unit. I purchased via Xtreme Wholesale (off Trade Me).

Sometimes the price comes down because the NZ distributor 1. gets better terms by buying more; 2. gets better terms because of less perceived risk to the supplier; 3. gets lower shipping rates because of bulk. Then they can make a margin within that without 'killing the golden goose'. Bulky items (often) can be better purchased by dealing through NZ suppliers (freight again). But it's only likely to be good stocking high churn items. And if the items goes through too many middlemen, then they'll all take a margin....

Finally, I've noticed that there are also suppliers (especially in the States) that just don't want to deal with private importers.

That said, good to have overseas options, to take advantage of differing exchange rates & trading conditions. The tank I bought for the GS varied NZD $1000 between three offshore suppliers. :yes: Worst was in Aussie....

The internet means you can shop worldwide. And auction sites like Trade Me, Ebay etc make that even easier. And help the little guy establish a competing business meet unfulfilled supply demands.

I have to say that I still support my local dealer when financially viable. I just go into the txtn with some pricing expectation (ie I know how much this should cost me), & I'm upfront about this. I'm happy for them to make some margin for convenience. The Barkbusters I've just purchased are a good example of this.

[That looks like fun]

Support local :yes: OK so I have done that now will local support me? Its a bit of a lottery, I have saved upward of 50% by purchasing overseas. On a $450 item thats worth pursuing.
For too long retailers have sat safely in their monopoly's and given us what they want at the margins they want. look what happened when import cars arrived :shit: Some say it wrecked the NZ car industry. Or you can say people brought them because they got a better deal than the NZ industry had given them with vehicles made by the same manufacturer. Ahh the good old days when air-con, power steering and electric windows were luxury items and you could sell a new car 5 years later for the same price you brought it :facepalm:
Retailers need to adapt to the new regime if they want to survive, rather than demand I support them. I read much good about a certain shop in a certain town, my guess is they have found that high turnover by better service and lower margins leads to an identical profit margin at the end of each month. The bonus for them is they now have a greater customer base leading to greater security for them :love:
The Internet is not going away so the global market is getting more accessible. The Government will no doubt come under pressure to fiddle with taxes etc to incentives buyers to support local. However lets see them introduce a tax that will improve the service :blink: Yeah right.
Perhaps what retailers should put into there thought patterns when making their marketing plans is this simple thought "I don't go to work so that a NZ retailer can have an excellent lifestyle"
My thoughts :violin:

[onearmedbandit]

I remember before the internet, we just put up with this as NZ is a small market at the end of a long supply chain. It wasn't the retailers fault. Now we have the 'net, and all the international markets that come with it, I feel for the NZ retailers who are against that. It's still not their fault, we are still a small market at the end of a long chain.

[BMWST?]

Must be bloody tough being a retailer on high street.Massive overheads before you even open the doors.
I always get my small stuff through a shop but once stuff gets above 300-400 i will try motobins etc.I always get riding gear from a shop.
I want/need my shop to be there

[Eddieb]

Agree with pretty much all the sentiments here, I'm trying to support local but the locals aren't making it easy.

In respect to the crashbars I was willing to wait a month for the distributor to bring them in as I didn't expect them to be held in stock in New Zealand, but 3 months lead time for delivery is just taking the piss. Price hadn't even come into the discussion.

[cs363]

I remember before the internet, we just put up with this as NZ is a small market at the end of a long supply chain. It wasn't the retailers fault. Now we have the 'net, and all the international markets that come with it, I feel for the NZ retailers who are against that. It's still not their fault, we are still a small market at the end of a long chain.

Agreed, the so-called free market (which seems to be largely one way, open slather here but still hard for our exporters in certain markets) has a lot to answer for. Though that said, like any industry some retailers and distributors don't do themselves any favours.


Agree with pretty much all the sentiments here, I'm trying to support local but the locals aren't making it easy.

In respect to the crashbars I was willing to wait a month for the distributor to bring them in as I didn't expect them to be held in stock in New Zealand, but 3 months lead time for delivery is just taking the piss. Price hadn't even come into the discussion.

3 months lead time does seem exceptionally long, I wonder if it had anything to do with production schedules and the like? For instance NZ distributor has no stock, places enquiry with manufacturer who tells them that they aren't making a run of those for another 2 months (plus best part of a month to ship stock order to NZ). Meantime you find overseas retailer who has item in stock...
There is often more than meets the eye in these sort of situations, and often the retailer may not give you the full picture (either through ignorance - distributor did not make it clear to them, or laziness - retailer just tells you it'll be 3 months with no explanation)
Not making excuses as I know what it's like, when you have the money burning a hole in your pocket and the desire for something in your heart..... :D

[Kickaha]

For too long retailers have sat safely in their monopoly's and given us what they want at the margins they want.

At the margins they want? fuck you're a funny man

[zeRax]

please dont lump all the wholesalers and distributors all into 1 group of being slack thou !

i know eurobike give alot back to the people in nz in many ways~

it all comes down to who deals with what brand of the thing your after, and how good their service is, im sure theres alot of players in the game :D

[1KTM]

please dont lump all the wholesalers and distributors all into 1 group of being slack thou
i know eurobike give alot back to the people in nz in many ways~

it all comes down to who deals with what brand of the thing your after, and how good their service is, im sure theres alot of players in the game :D

i got crash bars 3 weeks a go ktm one 2 days to get them wheels of thames

[Night Falcon]

I've bought a lot of stuff through dealers over the years, particularly in the last 4and have switched dealers/suppliers 3 times. Not because of price..they gotta make a livin...but because of lack of service!!! In the previous 2 cases emails were ignored or only patially responded too, phone requests for pricing were a waste of time..it seemed that unless the item was on thier shelf and easy to reach they didn't want to know???

Easy money is a poor stratergy in business especially in these times! My current "supplier" on the otherhand has been awsome proving it can be done...so they cop the cash...in business customers vote with their dollars. incedentily...the first dealer is no longer in business :bye:

[thepom]

i got crash bars 3 weeks a go ktm one 2 days to get them wheels of thames


What?.....................................

[JATZ]

i got crash bars 3 weeks a go ktm one 2 days to get them wheels of thames


What?.....................................

PUNCTUATION !!!! FFS :facepalm:

not you pom... the other fullah :yes:

[Virago]

i got crash bars 3 weeks a go ktm one 2 days to get them wheels of thames

I've read this "sentence" at least ten times, and I still can't work out what it means.

[1KTM]

i got crash bars 3 weeks a go ktm one 2 days to get them wheels of thames


What?.....................................

i order my crash bars on a monday and in the shop by wednesday ktm genuine from ktm nz

[Taz]

I ordered my crash bars on a Monday, and they were in the shop by Wednesday. KTM genuine parts from KTM NZ

I would never have got that from the previous post. :) :Pokey:

[JATZ]

i order my crash bars on a monday and in the shop by wednesday ktm genuine from ktm nz

OI !!!
know what these are >>, . ; : " ' ?

they're what you put in a sentence to make it readable. like this....
I ordered my crash bars on a monday, and they were in the shop by wednesday. KTM genuine parts from KTM N.Z.

[That looks like fun]

OI !!!
know what these are >>, . ; : " ' ?

they're what you put in a sentence to make it readable. like this....
I ordered my crash bars on a monday, and they were in the shop by wednesday. KTM genuine parts from KTM N.Z.

So "punctuation" is not a pub brawl involving Asians :facepalm: All these years, how could I have been so wrong :blink:

[Taz]

OI !!!
Do you know what these are >>, . ; : " ' ?

They're what you put in a sentence to make it readable. like this....
I ordered my crash bars on a Monday, and they were in the shop by Wednesday. KTM genuine parts from KTM N.Z.

I see you found your Missing E. Monday and Wednesday should have capitals too. :lol:

[JATZ]

I see you found your Missing E. Monday and Wednesday should have capitals too. :P

Bastard :facepalm:

[Crim]

Bastard :facepalm:

Should that have an exclamation mark, a simple full stop or does a facepalm suffice in this here new fangled interweb place?

[Padmei]

Should have a least a space before the smilie :yes: See how easily it rolls off the eye :innocent:

[Taz]

hahathisisgreatimlovingit

[That looks like fun]

Monday and Wednesday should have capitals too. :lol:

The capital of Monday is Brisbane, not sure about Wednesday, thats in the Northern Hemisphere :corn:

[Woodman]

Jedi may be he.

[Taz]

Ignorance leads to fear, fear leads to hate, hate leads to the dark side.

[JATZ]

Ignorance leads to fear, fear leads to hate, hate leads to the dark side.

Yebut.... they have cookies :yes:

aparently

[warewolf]

Back to the original thread... :shutup:

Don't forget commercial operations still have to pay things like GST and have a heap of other import compliance costs that private importers don't. Those things are going to push the price up.

Retailers aren't rich - at least, in the bike game, very few are.

I've often thought that shops here need to shift to a more Just In Time system where they get stuff from other places worldwide, within say a week. Dunno quite how it would work, but it seems to me more like being shorn rather than skinned. It seems everyone upstream of the dealers are very reluctant to have co-ordinated parts inventory world-wide. eg why can't Triumph NZ get parts out of Triumph Aus? Why does the customer have to wait 6 weeks extra for them to come from Triumph UK to NZ? The existing business models are quite simply outdated in this interweb-connected world, still rigidly stuck in geo-political states - pardon the pun! :innocent:

[The Baron]

Hi

I had the same problem with the NZ suppliers for SW Motec crashbars.

Got them from the US in ten days.

Try = TwistedThrottle.com

[Eddieb]

eg why can't Triumph NZ get parts out of Triumph Aus? Why does the customer have to wait 6 weeks extra for them to come from Triumph UK to NZ?

Word has it that KTM are shifting to that model at the moment where they are aligned to, and have access to Australian stocks.

The last bolts I ordered for my KTM took 6 weeks out of Austria. BMW on the other hand take 10 days from Munich.

[Taz]

SW Motech available thru www.Norrus.net in Australia. I've had awesome service from them.

[avgas]

Why is the sky blue?
Where are the car keys?
What time is the best time to pull an investment?
Who is John Galt?
Why chat on Kiwibiker?
Why does no one search for an existing thread before posting?

These questions and many more can only be answer by the gods of speed themselves. And perhaps the smartest person in Taihape.

[Woodman]

why is the sky blue?
Where are the car keys?
What time is the best time to pull an investment?
Who is john galt?
Why chat on kiwibiker?
Why does no one search for an existing thread before posting?

These questions and many more can only be answer by the gods of speed themselves. And perhaps the smartest person in taihape.

wtf ??????????????????

[Eddieb]

Thanks Guys for the different links. There's significant differences in price depending on what country they are sourced from given current exchange rates.

From motorradgarage.com.au, who SW Motech list as their Australian distributor
$339 AUS = $427 NZ

From Twisted Throttle.com
$200 US = $252 NZ

I'm surprised at the difference on whats a relatively cheap item. I wonder how much shipping from the US is.

[pampa]

Word has it that KTM are shifting to that model at the moment where they are aligned to, and have access to Australian stocks.

The last bolts I ordered for my KTM took 6 weeks out of Austria. BMW on the other hand take 10 days from Munich.

may be but they will charge as if the BM president went personally to get them

I got quoted
bm = Hub + sprocket carrier the same as
overseas= whole wheel (above+spockes+4xbearings+4xseals+cush rubbers+excell rim+ put it all together)

pay a bit extra ... maybe, that was too much

[Jantar]

i got crash bars 3 weeks a go ktm one 2 days to get them wheels of thames
The BDOTGNZA are horrified. What on earth does this dribble mean? :facepalm:

[Monstaman]

For me here in Wanaka where our nearest shop is still a courier away, overnight means three to four days here.

So for me most of the time the shop either does not have it, wants to charge like a wounded bull or can't be bothered.

So, these guys buy in bulk and I am one guy with a credit card and I can still get stuff in quicker and cheaper than them??, someone in the middle is rapping this too hard, our exchange is good but funny enough they ARE using the same exchange rates as us.

I would rather buy local but it sure as hell won't be happening if they try to rip me as I work hard for my money too.

[trustme]

I try to buy local , I really only go offshore if the parts are not available in NZ because there is no supplier or if the supplier can not supply in a reasonable period of time.
Don't mind paying a bit more to support locals, we'd be in the shit if we had to get everything from offshore because the locals had gone broke.

[avgas]

wtf ??????????????????
Thread topic has been done to death here.
I predict the future of this thread will go down the same path.

- Customers will complain that it is now a global market, and they can go anywhere.
- NZ stores will complain their margins are not sufficient.

Everyone loses. Again.

[GSers]

Thanks Guys for the different links. There's significant differences in price depending on what country they are sourced from given current exchange rates.

From motorradgarage.com.au, who SW Motech list as their Australian distributor
$339 AUS = $427 NZ

From Twisted Throttle.com
$200 US = $252 NZ

I'm surprised at the difference on whats a relatively cheap item. I wonder how much shipping from the US is.

Last time I bought handle bar risers from these guys the freight was bloody expensive they use standard size boxes no matter what you order. So get more than 1 thing buy something else to fill up the box even if you are just going to sell it when it gets here.
As for time delays with orders and service this is my uptake working for an international company.
The big companies are more worried about making money for there share holders instead of offfering there customers service. They think there branding is so good that the customer just has to wait for there product. Where as the small independent sources goods from different suppliers and if they are good they will know who will deliver on time and who wont the ones that supply will be getting 90 percent of there business. Its a shame that all manufactures seem to think they can get all there shit made in China so they make the biggest margins but still dont carry any stock. It has become very much a goods made to order supply chain.
As for buying stuff in from overseas do your home work remember you wont pay GST on alot of items which is now a bigger saving this will help to offset the price of freight.
We are now in the 21st century and all the manufactures and governments have pushed for a global economy so you can either get on the band wagon or keep your head in the sand either way the user will pay.
regards GSers

[Padmei]

As for buying stuff in from overseas do your home work remember you wont pay GST on alot of items which is now a bigger saving this will help to offset the price of freight.
We are now in the 21st century and all the manufactures and governments have pushed for a global economy so you can either get on the band wagon or keep your head in the sand either way the user will pay.
regards GSers

How can you get away without paying GSt on imported goods?

[avgas]

How can you get away without paying GSt on imported goods?
By not declaring them......

[Quasievil]

How can you get away without paying GSt on imported goods?

If its over NZD$400 you will have to pay GST on it, unless youre lucky.

My opinion on this subject as a "local" supplier is that I really dont mind to much where people buy from NZ or offshore, what I think is a bit rich tho is the regular attack on the NZ "struggling" motorcycle industry with comments such as high margins etc.
Yes its a global economy........but only one way (for the most part) I dont think USA bikers buy products from NZ based shops.

there are a couple of reasons for that
1/ We simply dont have the economies of scale they do so we cant compete on new and importantly, old stock clearouts (thats where you get alot of good deals)
2/ The NZ Wholesalers are very protective of the age old distribution model i.e
importer / wholesaler- retail shops, in the states you often have this importer/ wholesaler- internet shops, the margins on the later are lower hence better prices for the consumer, couple that with a strong economy of scale scenario like the US then its easy to see why many NZ bikers go offshore to buy their bits and bobs and gear.

so in NZ (in my view) we are a bit buggered, the bike shops need a good margin to survive (I dont know currently of a wealthy bike shop owner) and the wholesalers protect it.
As I have said in another thread, I see and note now a strong shift of bike shops to a internet based sales channel..........the way of the future, you bet it is.
I predict in this country the importers of bikes will sell direct (suzuki kwaka etc) and the bike retailers will be very far and few between indeed, this is a result of the "global economy" I cant see bike shops existing in the current format, at best bike workshops.

Note this post down and revisit it in ten years, see if im right eh lol

[Willdat?]

Yes its a global economy........but only one way (for the most part) I dont think USA bikers buy products from NZ based shops.


I think some dealers like econohonda do actually sell overseas as they have a wealth of knowledge and parts that may or may not be available overseas. With older bikes buying wherever parts are available is the winner. My DR250 has parts from The Netherlands, USA, Aus, and of course locally but still doesn't run reliably.

[Quasievil]

I think some dealers like econohonda do actually sell overseas as they have a wealth of knowledge and parts that may or may not be available overseas. With older bikes buying wherever parts are available is the winner. My DR250 has parts from The Netherlands, USA, Aus, and of course locally but still doesn't run reliably.

Yeah I guess there are a few, prolly only those with very specific sort after products and skills, certainly not the main mass market stuff.
In saying that we sell to overseas often lol

[warewolf]

SW Motech available thru www.Norrus.net in Australia. I've had awesome service from them.When I looked for something recently, they were just going to be middle-men like a local dealer: prices, out-of-stocks and delays included! I bought from Twisted Throttle in the USA, partly because the .DE site said to...


Last time I bought handle bar risers from these guys the freight was bloody expensive they use standard size boxes no matter what you order.... but they charged US$48 on a $120 order to ship in a box 10 times the volume required. I felt that was a bit rude on their part, but was still cheaper & faster than estimates given for ex-Aussie.

[warewolf]

If its over NZD$400 you will have to pay GST on it,Not quite. If the GST + duties is less than $50, then you don't have to pay. Bike parts are generally 0% duty, and under the 12.5% GST rate, gst on $400 was $50.

Now with GST @ 15%, you must declare & pay GST on anything over $333.33.


I see and note now a strong shift of bike shops to a internet based sales channel..........the way of the future, you bet it is.Yes but their implementation is often flawed. Look at bits4bikes, the data is not very good, and if you find anything on there it is fulfilled by your local shop, but can often be had cheaper if you just walk in there and say, "I want item x from bits4bikes" and they hand it over (and/or get it in, then hand it over).

What they need to do is use the internet like we do to find the parts and land them promptly at a reasonable cost, without as you say being stuck in their existing outdated supply channels. That is the way forward.

However I wonder how much of this is happening because adventure is a niche within the motorcycling niche? MX/off-road parts ferinstance seem much more generic and much more frequently stocked. eg just within KTM's range, the SX/EXC bikes are much more common and share many parts. The LC4 Enduro is slightly different, but again has lots in common with the EXCs. The LC4 adventure is that one more step removed (especially the post-03 bikes) so has less in common with the EXC range than the LC4. Still many commonalities, but fewer.

[Phreaky Phil]

Ive been bitching about NZ being the "Land OF Pictures" for years. You can see what you want in a picture but you cant buy it here. Guess its down to small numbers but no one seems to have got on to the idea of being able to order 1 off stuff in for customers, at an extra freight cost of course. I believe when wholesalers order from the factories they have to buy in BULK. Huge $$$$ involved, and I guess thats why they only do 2-4 shipments a year. Thats also why they only bring in popular stuff they are sure will sell.
That doesn't help you or me who want trick goodies that we've seen in a mag or on the complicator.
Some brands (no names mentioned) must have some very healthy margins when you can bring pay retail overseas, have it sent over in 3-7days at ridiculous cost and it still be way cheaper than buying it from here in NZ ??? WTF
And while i'm at it, whats with Suzuki in having to FAX of to Wanganui for a price ? :brick: Who uses Faxes anymore in this age of computers. I can go online to an American site and look up a price. F.F.Sakes
While i'm still ranting, the Americans are ripping us blind for freight. The other day I went to order a special short choke cable from the US. $34 for the cable $39 postage. I didnt buy it !!
:calm::calm::calm:
:yawn:
:sleep:

[dino3310]

While i'm still ranting, the Americans are ripping us blind for freight. The other day I went to order a special short choke cable from the US. $34 for the cable $39 postage. I didnt buy it !!
:calm::calm::calm:
:yawn:
:sleep:

yesterday i looked at a $108 us and the freight was $111 WTF but only from that one site, wasnt that bad at the start of the year

[Eddieb]

yesterday i looked at a $108 us and the freight was $111 WTF but only from that one site, wasnt that bad at the start of the year

I just queried the shipping price on a set of crashbars from twistedthrottle.com as I thought it was high, their response was:


Unfortunately with recent changes to shipping sizes and limits this is now considered over sized and $160 is correct.

[dino3310]

:gob: bugger, maybe it might eventualy in time it might be just as cheap to get it locally maybe.











not

[bart]

Dumb question, but wouldn't it be cheaper to borrow someone's crash bars as a template, and get some made? :blink:

Is NZ's number 8 wire thing disapearing? Years ago if there were problems sourcing something, you made it, and usually for cheaper.

Kind of off the basic topic, but where have all the clever bastards gone. :violin:

[Eddieb]

Dumb question, but wouldn't it be cheaper to borrow someone's crash bars as a template, and get some made? :blink:

Is NZ's number 8 wire thing disapearing? Years ago if there were problems sourcing something, you made it, and usually for cheaper.

Kind of off the basic topic, but where have all the clever bastards gone. :violin:

Not sure with these. I don't have access to any mates in the trade so would be paying the going rates for labour etc. For the cost of importing them, at todays rates I reckon I'd get about 5 hours of labour for the same price, with material on top of that, plus the powder coating cost.

[dino3310]

got a mate with a gas set?..... sand bend it http://www.rorty-design.com/content/sand_bending.htm
can of primer and paint from super cheap:niceone:

[Pampera]

Not sure with these. I don't have access to any mates in the trade so would be paying the going rates for labour etc. For the cost of importing them, at todays rates I reckon I'd get about 5 hours of labour for the same price, with material on top of that, plus the powder coating cost.

Ask Damon at Cycleworks for quote. I now have a custom stainless steel luggage/pannier rack for the DR350 for about $300. Even if it is the same cost the money goes into our economy and you get a bespoke part, just like a toff would.

Michael

[Waihou Thumper]

I've read this "sentence" at least ten times, and I still can't work out what it means.

Think man......Are you serious? Try 11..:) It makes sense if you try, really try.....He makes a point albeit in a different way...:)

[Oscar]

I've read this "sentence" at least ten times, and I still can't work out what it means.

If you ask him nicely, he might lend you his bong...

[dino3310]

Dumb question, but wouldn't it be cheaper to borrow someone's crash bars as a template, and get some made? :blink:

Is NZ's number 8 wire thing disapearing? Years ago if there were problems sourcing something, you made it, and usually for cheaper.

Kind of off the basic topic, but where have all the clever bastards gone. :violin:

shite mate the "NZ's number 8 wire thing" is all over the XR :rofl:
Im clever just not clever enough to get rich and buy bling :laugh:

[dino3310]

i supported a local bisiness today and bought 2 $30 tyres :yes: