Random checks on the Coro loop over summer

[woody68]

WTF. Check out 3news tonight.
About time they put some time and money into:
Fixing roads
Teaching car drivers to pull over and let us go past asap
Sign posting road works properly would be nice also.

Is it not bad enough these days that you cant go over to the okoroire with out passing at least two cops eachway.

Hope there not doing roadside nosie checks or I'll have to put some gay stock pipes back on.

Loud is best I say.:yes:

[JimO]

WTF. Check out 3news tonight.
About time they put some time and money into:
Fixing roads
Teaching car drivers to pull over and let us go past asap
Sign posting road works properly would be nice also.

Is it not bad enough these days that you cant go over to the okoroire with out passing at least two cops eachway.

Hope there not doing roadside nosie checks or I'll have to put some gay stock pipes back on.

Load is best I say.:yes:

how big a load??

[AllanB]

Darn right too - why some of those fellas on TV looked rather scruffy, nary a white scarf in sight. :shutup:

What did they say - 1/3 of the bikes were not compliant - noise? REGO? WOF?

As it was designed to 'educate' riders I'd be interested in what they said or gave you when you were stopped to be educated.

Usual TV stuff - 16 times more likely to be injured .......

Targeting the high risk riders - 15-25 and the born again 30-50 (think I got that quoted correctly). Made me laugh :yes:

[duckonin]

Fifty odd bikes pulled over about 19 non compliant....:facepalm:

[Old Steve]

Targeting the born again, 30 to 50. OK, I'm alright, they won't be looking at 62 year olds on 250 cc bikes who are still on their restricted licenses.

[Mom]

Huge PR, feel good initiative to demonstrate they are doing "something" to improve road safety. Though frankly I can not see what stopping people while they are going about their lawful business, and checking they are "legal" has to do with road safety myself.

They would be better off re-engineering some appalling roads and making sure that repairs are carried out with motorcyclists safety in mind.

[scumdog]

Though frankly I can not see what stopping people while they are going about their lawful business, and checking they are "legal" has to do with road safety myself.

You sound like the drunk/disqually/stoned/unlicensed drivers in unregged/unWOF'd/unsafe cars I pull up...

"I wasn't doing nuffing rong, whatchoo stop me for"...

[Pixie]

More police/acc/transit bullshit

[scumdog]

More police/acc/transit bullshit

I suppose.

But being safely isolated from non compo mentis sprotsbike riders up there it doesn't really worry me.

Until my ACC levy goes up.

[bogan]

Targeting the high risk riders - 15-25 and the born again 30-50 (think I got that quoted correctly). Made me laugh :yes:

they must be pretty onto it to pick out 25-30 and 50+ riders under all their riding gear to let them through with no inconvience too :facepalm:

and the idea that they can tell if you are riding safely or not by what bits of paper are attached to your bike is fucking ridiculous.

[Old Steve]

I've just imagined an interesting conversation.

Police Officer: You're bike is too noisy.

Me: But you want me to be safe, and my being seen, and heard, is likely to prevent some in-attentive car driver ramming me.

Police Officer: But your bike is non-compliant.

Me: But it's safe ....

While the representative from ACC dithers on the sideline.

[Mom]

You sound like the drunk/disqually/stoned/unlicensed drivers in unregged/unWOF'd/unsafe cars I pull up...

"I wasn't doing nuffing rong, whatchoo stop me for"...

Thank you. Can you make your next post a little more offensive please :)

For the record, I dont drive drunk, I am not disqualified, I dont take drugs, I am fully licenced, my vehicles are wof, and amazingly enough registered as well.

Where do they get off stopping me just because I ride a motorcycle? If I am not speeding, and am not behaving in a way that brings me to the attention of plod, why stop me?

[Taz]

You being safe doesn't net the revenue collectors any money now does it?

[scumdog]

Thank you. Can you make your next post a little more offensive please :)

For the record, I dont drive drunk, I am not disqualified, I dont take drugs, I am fully licenced, my vehicles are wof, and amazingly enough registered as well.

Where do they get off stopping me just because I ride a motorcycle? If I am not speeding, and am not behaving in a way that brings me to the attention of plod, why stop me?


Mwahahah - tish!!
At the risk of you trolling - all those I described depend on 'not behaving in a way that brings them to the attention of plod' - well not as long as they are within sight of said plod anyway...and not in their mind.

"I indicated back ther so why did you stop me?"
"Because you indicated right and went left"
"Oh"
So how much have you been drinking?"

And so the opera goes....

[Dadpole]

Stop making sense Scumdog. You will get your arse infracted.....

[2wheeldrifter]

Saw it on the news... must say the bikers interviewed left a good impression in my mind of a positive attitude on been stopped etc.

Still like to know how by stopping you,they some how will know your skill level as quoted here...http://www.3news.co.nz/Bikers-targeted-in-Coromandel-blitz/tabid/423/articleID/181738/Default.aspx

[cave weta]

Saw it on the news... must say the bikers interviewed left a good impression in my mind of a positive attitude on been stopped etc.

Still like to know how by stopping you,they some how will know your skill level as quoted here...http://www.3news.co.nz/Bikers-targeted-in-Coromandel-blitz/tabid/423/articleID/181738/Default.aspx

Umm- can I just say quietly that all that footage was shot just up the road from my house and the riders that they intervieiwed were 'industry representitives' there to hand out the leaflets and do the PR...

[woody68]

I'm 42, started riding on our farm when i was young and been riding ever since.
You name it and I've probably riden it.
I know my limits and I maintain my bike
How does this make me a bad rider?
Yes I wear black leather and have a very loud bike but still got nothing to do with the way I ride.

[bogan]

Usual TV stuff - 16 times more likely to be injured .......

just read the article, and they've taken the 16x out of context, 16x is calculated on a per km basis (and fatal or injury causing crash), 'motorcyclists' implies per person/vehicle which is in fact around 3-4x. Bikers do less kms on average than other road users accounts for this change.

[nadroj]

At least they got a potential "taker of inocents" off the road and charged him with DIC.

[trailblazer]

Thank you. Can you make your next post a little more offensive please :)

For the record, I dont drive drunk, I am not disqualified, I dont take drugs, I am fully licenced, my vehicles are wof, and amazingly enough registered as well.

Where do they get off stopping me just because I ride a motorcycle? If I am not speeding, and am not behaving in a way that brings me to the attention of plod, why stop me?

but if people treated the road like a road and not a race track then mr plod and mr acc would have no reason to target bikers but untill that happens we will all be targeted for what the minority do on the roads.

[AllanB]

Still like to know how by stopping you,they some how will know your skill level as quoted here...http://www.3news.co.nz/Bikers-targeted-in-Coromandel-blitz/tabid/423/articleID/181738/Default.aspx

Ah - I wondered the same - then it came to me, and they were actually very cunning.

Did you notice that they were pulling over the two wheeled death traps onto a unsealed dirt shoulder?
If you were not an experienced rider most likely you would have fallen off in the slippery stuff and then received practical and useful advise on how to ride safely.

[Big Dave]

Police Press statement:
http://kiwiridermagazine.blogspot.com/2010/10/police-statement-increased-coromandel.html

[DMNTD]

WTF. Check out 3news tonight.
About time they put some time and money into:
Fixing roads
Teaching car drivers to pull over and let us go past asap
Sign posting road works properly would be nice also.

Is it not bad enough these days that you cant go over to the okoroire with out passing at least two cops eachway.

Hope there not doing roadside nosie checks or I'll have to put some gay stock pipes back on.

Loud is best I say.:yes:

Heh! Know what you mean by the Oko ride up and over.
No stress though if you're doing nothing wrong though eh?

[bogan]

Police Press statement:
http://kiwiridermagazine.blogspot.com/2010/10/police-statement-increased-coromandel.html

well that explains where tv3 got the wrong context for the 16x figure then

[Squiggles]

So reading the police press release for the 19 non-compliant, Vehicle condition and Licenses... no favours done there.

[skinman]

[QUOTE=Mom;1129885932]For the record, I dont drive drunk, I am not disqualified, I dont take drugs, I am fully licenced, my vehicles are wof, and amazingly enough registered as well.

Hey mom thats being a bit boring and mature isnt it, could aleast do 1 of the above :)

[skinman]

oops that reply with quote didnt work quite as planned :facepalm:

[scracha]

So to what extent do I have to co-operate if stopped by our jack booted friends for no reason other than I dare ride the Coro loop?

I know they've got 15 minutes to waste my time.
I know I must do the following:-

Hand over my license
Let them check my rego/wof.
Give them my name, address & DOB.
Give them vehicle ownership info.
Hand over my keys if requested.


Can they move my bike if it's not in a hazardous location?
Can they start my bike engine?
Can they inspect parts of the bike not visible (i.e. remove panels etc)?
If requested to I have to allow them to photograph me?

Do I have to assist them with any of the above?
Can I photograph/video the officers involved?
Wonder what would happen if they damaged the bike?

[The Pastor]

Huge PR, feel good initiative to demonstrate they are doing "something" to improve road safety. Though frankly I can not see what stopping people while they are going about their lawful business, and checking they are "legal" has to do with road safety myself.

They would be better off re-engineering some appalling roads and making sure that repairs are carried out with motorcyclists safety in mind.

the coro loop is the best roads in nz.........

[MarkH]

http://www.3news.co.nz/Bikers-targeted-in-Coromandel-blitz/tabid/423/articleID/181738/Default.aspx

So what does this mean: "Of the 56 bikers pulled over, 19 were found to be non-compliant or have sub-standard vehicles."
What are sub-standard vehicles? Does that just mean that some of the vehicles pulled over were Hyosungs?

[Scouse]

Does that just mean that some of the vehicles pulled over were Hyosungs?Can't be they would'nt make it around the full Loop

[2wheeldrifter]

So what does this mean: "Of the 56 bikers pulled over, 19 were found to be non-compliant or have sub-standard vehicles."
What are sub-standard vehicles? Does that just mean that some of the vehicles pulled over were Hyosungs?

Can't of been 19 Hyobags out.. think any bike brand starting with 'H' would cover it :)

[nadroj]

Can't of been 19 Hyobags out.. think any bike brand starting with 'H' would cover it :)

More likely scooters...... (pt):scooter:

[JohnJumper]

Urgh they came through a bay last summer and told everyone to register their tractors or get huge fines... They only spend a few metres on the road on the way to the beach. Safe to say they didn't get a very good response

[Usarka]

Safety my arse, it'll be to catch all the people who haven't registered their bikes due to the levy increase.

Oh and to make sure people don't get sunburnt :blink:

[avgas]

I don't think its too big a problem.

Lets see if the copper can keep a straight face while I take a leak stop. I mean the whole thing can still remain productive. You just have to use your time wisely.

[Taz]

This is the extent of the police policy on safety.....

Blow on the pie!

:facepalm: Police intelligence is an oxymoron.

[CHR1S]

While I don't necessarily enjoy having my ride disrupted, 15 minutes of my time is hardly going to ruin it. Aside from being a "high risk" group, the fact that 19 bikes out of 50 odd were non complient makes us pretty easy pickings. So for those people who get upset by this sort of thing take it out on the muppet's (we all know at least one) who ride outside their licence, defective machines, or with no reg/wof rather than the plod who I doubt woke up this morning with the intent to ruin every motorcyclist's life.

[avgas]

the fact that 19 bikes out of 50 odd were non complient makes us pretty easy pickings
Seeing as the WOF doesn't check if something is compliant (see this thread) (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/129743-WOF-should-change-to-WTFF-%28what-the-fuck-for-%29?p=1129882112#post1129882112)
I don't see how it can be enforced.

Come on ACC/Coro coppers/NZTA - come out with a statement and stick with it.
Start with Compliance is......
and follow it with
....and we will enforce it as.....

rather than this stunt PR bullshit.

I don't see them making "compulsory minivan" stops in South Auckland. Yet their crash rate is right up there.
Likewise when was the last drug bust in the coromandel?
Fact of the matter is motorcyclists will pay the fine. So this is more a collection call than the safety one.

[simpy1]

While I don't necessarily enjoy having my ride disrupted, 15 minutes of my time is hardly going to ruin it. Aside from being a "high risk" group, the fact that 19 bikes out of 50 odd were non complient makes us pretty easy pickings.

Completely agree. If you get stopped and have not done anything wrong, you'll be inconvenienced for a few minutes. It doesn't have to ruin your day - just take it as a positive thing, that the cops are removing morons and people with unsafe bikes from the road. Those are the people who drive the levies up.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I'm 42, started riding on our farm when i was young and been riding ever since.
You name it and I've probably riden it.
I know my limits and I maintain my bike
How does this make me a bad rider?
Yes I wear black leather and have a very loud bike but still got nothing to do with the way I ride.

Yeah it does: it means you have a bad attitude. You are non compliant. My name is Nick Smith and I sentence you to drive a 1.6l Honda Civic four door sedan for the rest of your natural. With a tissue box on the back parcel shelf, and a wee rug. Toy dog optional.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Completely agree. If you get stopped and have not done anything wrong, you'll be inconvenienced for a few minutes. It doesn't have to ruin your day - just take it as a positive thing, that the cops are removing morons and people with unsafe bikes from the road. Those are the people who drive the levies up.

No no no non nonoooonononnononononononononononnoo NO

that is the "you only have to worry if you've done something wrong argument."

It in fact denotes a fascist dictatorship: one very small step removed from the Stasi.

the only justification for being stopped by a lor enforcement official is if they believe on reasonable grounds, you have done something wrong. State sanctioned trolling and fishing expeditions are completely wrong in my view. Particularly if targeted at a selection of the population: Its wrong like the po po targeting motorcyclists in Nelson last month or whenever it was.

Thin blue end of the wedge people: before you know it you have a large blue johnson up your bum, without so much as a by your leave.

[HenryDorsetCase]

I don't think its too big a problem.

Lets see if the copper can keep a straight face while I take a leak stop. I mean the whole thing can still remain productive. You just have to use your time wisely.

Didnt we establish that if you wee on the left rear wheel of a vehicle that was OK? does it have to be your own or could it be an ACC bus or cop car?

[HenryDorsetCase]

So what does this mean: "Of the 56 bikers pulled over, 19 were found to be non-compliant or have sub-standard vehicles."
What are sub-standard vehicles? Does that just mean that some of the vehicles pulled over were Hyosungs?

could have been some Baotians, some Daelims, some Kymco's in there as well

[Max Preload]

Hey! It's your Motorcycle Safety Levy hard at work! :rofl:

[Pixie]

No it's just hearsay according to Grubber

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/128522-Just-in-case-you-didn-t-think-you-were-a-second-class-citizen...?p=1129886363#post1129886363

[buellbabe]

[QUOTE=HenryDorsetCase;1129886345]

the only justification for being stopped by a lor enforcement official is if they believe on reasonable grounds, you have done something wrong. State sanctioned trolling and fishing expeditions are completely wrong in my view. Particularly if targeted at a selection of the populationQUOTE]

Part of me (the enraged biker part!) agrees with ya mate but another part of me thinks about the continued carnage that happens on the Coro loop and is inclined to say "hey can ya blame them?"... if this puts people off riding the loop then hopefully a few more of us will survive the summer.

Once summer rolls around I tend to avoid that stretch of road cos I am not into sharing my piece of tarmac paradise with heaps of cars and worse, heaps of motorcyclists out to prove they are the next MotoGP champ.

[avgas]

and people with unsafe bikes from the road. Those are the people who drive the levies up.
Which reminds me - get your rear shock fixed.
Hypocrite.

[simpy1]

Which reminds me - get your rear shock fixed.
Hypocrite.

Whoa I have a stalker! So I come on this site asking for some help and advice and you take that as a chance to hurl abuse? All I suggested is that people calm down, and that 5 mins of their weekend is not a big deal.

My bike has a current WOF and is maintained well, I'm just not sure of how hard the shocks should be. I'll be working on them soon.

No wonder the cops pull over motorcyclists, I think the asshole:nice guy ratio is about 5:1. Or maybe that's just on this website?

[HenryDorsetCase]

[QUOTE=HenryDorsetCase;1129886345]

the only justification for being stopped by a lor enforcement official is if they believe on reasonable grounds, you have done something wrong. State sanctioned trolling and fishing expeditions are completely wrong in my view. Particularly if targeted at a selection of the populationQUOTE]

Part of me (the enraged biker part!) agrees with ya mate but another part of me thinks about the continued carnage that happens on the Coro loop and is inclined to say "hey can ya blame them?"... if this puts people off riding the loop then hopefully a few more of us will survive the summer.

Once summer rolls around I tend to avoid that stretch of road cos I am not into sharing my piece of tarmac paradise with heaps of cars and worse, heaps of motorcyclists out to prove they are the next MotoGP champ.


I sort of agree that we are our own worst enemies, particularly as regards PR. As an example, my business partner has a holiday house in Akaroa, and every Monday over summer he rants about "bloody motorcyclists and "Temporary NZ'ers" because he drives over there and gets passed (where HE cant see, but you can quite safely on a bike, particularly at the sedate speed he travels).

One of the big reasons I switched to a more laid back style of bike for the road: get the hell out of the way of the hordes of numpties on the road. When I did my little Hilltop - Pigeon Bay - Purau - Diamond Harbour - home loop on Saturday, on the middle part I saw two cars. busy from Diamond harbour through I will grant.

[avgas]

My bike has a current WOF and is maintained well, I'm just not sure of how hard the shocks should be. I'll be working on them soon.
So no?
Very high and mighty of you.
Note: bikes are like guns and dogs. quite often its 99% owner when it hits the news.

Your a noob, so you don't quite understand what 'unsafe' is. Which means you in the same boat as most of the cops whom did this. Listen to what others on here have to say - you might learn something.
Even scummy has had a perfect safe yet illegal ride on one of his bikes.

[avgas]

Mwahahah - tish!!
At the risk of you trolling - all those I described depend on 'not behaving in a way that brings them to the attention of plod' - well not as long as they are within sight of said plod anyway...and not in their mind.

"I indicated back ther so why did you stop me?"
"Because you indicated right and went left"
"Oh"
So how much have you been drinking?"

And so the opera goes....
This vehicle is not compliant
Why
Well because clearly you have put a turbo on a Suzuki
Your kidding right?
Nope - this vehicle is being stickered of the road.

I was wondering why you only ride the Harley these days Scummy ;)

[HenryDorsetCase]

This vehicle is not compliant
Why
Well because clearly you have put a turbo on a Suzuki
Your kidding right?
Nope - this vehicle is being stickered of the road.

I was wondering why you only ride the Harley these days Scummy ;)

implies that a traffic cop would know a turbo if it fell off and hit him in the Gucci loafer.

[Mom]

No no no non nonoooonononnononononononononononnoo NO

that is the "you only have to worry if you've done something wrong argument."

It in fact denotes a fascist dictatorship: one very small step removed from the Stasi.

the only justification for being stopped by a lor enforcement official is if they believe on reasonable grounds, you have done something wrong. State sanctioned trolling and fishing expeditions are completely wrong in my view. Particularly if targeted at a selection of the population: Its wrong like the po po targeting motorcyclists in Nelson last month or whenever it was.

Thin blue end of the wedge people: before you know it you have a large blue johnson up your bum, without so much as a by your leave.

Hi Five! Bang on the money there for sure.


No it's just hearsay according to Grubber

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/128522-Just-in-case-you-didn-t-think-you-were-a-second-class-citizen...?p=1129886363#post1129886363

Amazing isn't it? Even when you try to heads up someone they put their heads in the sand.

[CHR1S]

So I spose you lot whinge when truck's are "targeted" and the drivers operating overweight vehicles/have incomplete logbook details/spill effulent illegally/generally endangering other road users get fined? We have truck stops as there has been a risk identified for HT drivers and other roadusers. Same goes for us, 19 out of 54 is 19 c*cks making the rest of us look bad.


Seeing as the WOF doesn't check if something is compliant

I think what they are referring to as non compliant is the easy black and white stuff ie - riders outside their licence limitations/no WOF/no Reg etc

The whole riding with no Reg thing is another topic already well discussed. The fact is that it is the law, if you don't like it and ride illegally expect a fine if you get caught and don't go throwing your toys. I don't necessarily agree with it and the ACC levy, let alone every other law out there but if I want to avoid fines/jail that's the way it is.

Good luck with your crusade...in the meantime I'll be out enjoying some of the best roads the country has to offer.

[Big Dave]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/4244065/Bike-riders-earn-police-accolade

[simpy1]

Your a noob, so you don't quite understand what 'unsafe' is.... Listen to what others on here have to say - you might learn something.

No thanks. I've read plenty of motorbike safety & technique books, and I practice at safe speeds. I've been driving defensively for 12 years with not one incident, and riding for 1. I'm capable of maintaining my bike. I'm not that keen on having a crash any time soon, and I've got no beef with the police. Seems the only thing I'd learn on here is how to give the cops attitude...

[HenryDorsetCase]

So I spose you lot whinge when truck's are "targeted" and the drivers operating overweight vehicles/have incomplete logbook details/spill effulent illegally/generally endangering other road users get fined? We have truck stops as there has been a risk identified for HT drivers and other roadusers. Same goes for us, 19 out of 54 is 19 c*cks making the rest of us look bad.


whinge is the wrong word there.

Would you find it acceptable if the targeting was based on race, religion or gender? If not, why not?

How is "targeting" based on any criteria other than a lor officers reasonable opinion that a lor might be broken unreasonable?. compliance/noncompliance with the lor is the applicable test, surely?.

As to your truck example Let me give you an example: trusts and trustees: as a "professional" trustee, I am held to a higher standard when looking after your money than your Aunty Enid would be, if she and I were the trustees of your trust. I dont have a problem with it: I hold myself out as being competent in the area, I did exams and shit, and Ive been doing it for a while now, relatively successfully. Whereas Aunty might just be a placeholder, or fronted the money, or be known in all the boroughs as being frugal. If we invested all your money in some dodgy scheme (say finance company debentures, about 18 months ago) then conceivably I would be sued, but she would not, based on the fact that I should have known better: i.e. I am held to a higher standard than her. (Ignoring the fact I have insurance as well) Luckily we invested your money on fixed interest as to half, and equities in NZ and overseas as to half, and your money is doing OK at present).

Apply that to your truck driver example: they are professionals, (and have a well funded and very vocal lobby group which tells us so, endlessly) and thus need to be held to a higher standard than recreational, or other road users (same argument goes for the po po actually): so we have to meet a MINIMUM standard, they have to meet a higher standard. And those higher standards (voluntarily assumed, but codified and enforceable) might involve compliance checking, randomly: I dont have a problem with that, frankly. But thats very different from a law abiding ordinary citizen going about their lawful business.

[scumdog]

implies that a traffic cop would know a turbo if it fell off and hit him in the Gucci loafer.


True.

And imagine how far an attempt to 'sticker it off the road' would get with me..:nono:

[scumdog]

I was wondering why you only ride the Harley these days Scummy ;)

Actially have been riding the hair-dryer bike quite a bit lately...totally different - but still fun:woohoo:

[CHR1S]

whinge is the wrong word there.

Would you find it acceptable if the targeting was based on race, religion or gender? If not, why not?

Haha yeah fair call, but after I've read countless "cop pri*k gave me a fine because I broke the law" threads on here whinge is the first word that springs to mind.

If a certain race/religion/gender represented a higher risk I personally think it'd be a great idea to "target" (for lack of a better word) them to help mitigate as many factors as possible to avoid the carnage we see everyday. But try convincing the Paul Henry haters the logic in that...funny how my insurance company used to do a great job "targeting" me when I was an under 25 male with a V8.


As to your truck example Let me give you an example: trusts and trustees: as a "professional" trustee, I am held to a higher standard when looking after your money than your Aunty Enid would be, if she and I were the trustees of your trust. I dont have a problem with it: I hold myself out as being competent in the area, I did exams and shit, and Ive been doing it for a while now, relatively successfully. Whereas Aunty might just be a placeholder, or fronted the money, or be known in all the boroughs as being frugal. If we invested all your money in some dodgy scheme (say finance company debentures, about 18 months ago) then conceivably I would be sued, but she would not, based on the fact that I should have known better: i.e. I am held to a higher standard than her. (Ignoring the fact I have insurance as well) Luckily we invested your money on fixed interest as to half, and equities in NZ and overseas as to half, and your money is doing OK at present).

Apply that to your truck driver example: they are professionals, (and have a well funded and very vocal lobby group which tells us so, endlessly) and thus need to be held to a higher standard than recreational, or other road users (same argument goes for the po po actually): so we have to meet a MINIMUM standard, they have to meet a higher standard. And those higher standards (voluntarily assumed, but codified and enforceable) might involve compliance checking, randomly: I dont have a problem with that, frankly. But thats very different from a law abiding ordinary citizen going about their lawful business.

Good job sounds like you covered your arse.

I have an HT. I am far from a professional at driving trucks. So do a fair majority of farmers out there and we are still expected to stop.

Certainly not saying bike's should be stopped on every street corner at random. Unfortunately if 35% of us chose on this day to not follow the rules I'm guessing right or wrong we can expect more of this in the future.

[aff-man]

[QUOTE=HenryDorsetCase;1129886345]

Part of me (the enraged biker part!) agrees with ya mate but another part of me thinks about the continued carnage that happens on the Coro loop and is inclined to say "hey can ya blame them?"... if this puts people off riding the loop then hopefully a few more of us will survive the summer.
.

I disagree unfortunately. I have ridden the loop a few times over the years and bad experiences have put me off riding it..... for a while at least untill I remember why I went and rode it in the first place. Sure the "coro - gp " does attract its share of muppets but also attracts a far larger share of non-muppets who are just there to ride some of the best roads for motorcyles thats not to far from home. And police should not be making people feel like they shouldnt enjoy a part of new zealand just because of the vehicle they are on....

This is discrimination at it's most basic level. Out of a group of varying vehicles in a certain location we will be singling out one group and trying to ticket them.... yes I know they said bullshit about safety but I am firmly of the opinion that thier method of "teaching" us this safety involves ticketing of some variety...

They don't go around arresting people because they wear beige so why pull me over and waste my time and lecture me because I ride a motorcyle??

Now if they were looking at all vehicles, at say a check point, and not particularly singling one type out I have no problem with that as they are likely to find as many "non-compliant" trailers and cars etc etc as motorcycles.

[DMNTD]

....

So, how 'bout that cuddle you owe me?:love:

[Big Dave]

Got this Poll running on KIWIRIDER:

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[scumdog]

I voted 'undecided' as unlike a lot of others on KB I wasn't actually there..:shifty:

[Big Dave]

OK, just the fax Joe Friday. on the site the preamble goes like this:

Recent Police Checkpoints on the Coromandel targeting motorcycles have been both praised and condemned online.
What's your call? Worthwhile initiative or big brother closing in?

Plus I linked the press releases:
http://kiwiridermagazine.blogspot.com/2010/10/police-statement-increased-coromandel.html

Or are you not allowed an opinion huh, huh, :-P

[Usarka]

I voted 'undecided' as unlike a lot of others on KB I wasn't actually there..:shifty:

Since when has that stopped a good ticket :lol:

[Old Steve]

I do have two targets while on my Restricted.

One is to do the Tauranga/Coro Loop/Tauranga ride. The other is to do 1000 km in a day (well, within the 5.00 am to 10.00 pm limit of my license).

And I wouldn't mind if I was pulled over by the Police and they checked both my bike and my license. I would be pissed at the hoons on two wheels, both living and departed, who have brought about the need for the Police to take this action.

[trailblazer]

I do have two targets while on my Restricted.

One is to do the Tauranga/Coro Loop/Tauranga ride. The other is to do 1000 km in a day (well, within the 5.00 am to 10.00 pm limit of my license).

And I wouldn't mind if I was pulled over by the Police and they checked both my bike and my license. I would be pissed at the hoons on two wheels, both living and departed, who have brought about the need for the Police to take this action.

feel free to join us on the coro loop this weekend if we do it. It won't be anything hard just a casual ride.

[scracha]

So to what extent do I have to co-operate if stopped by our jack booted friends for no reason other than I dare ride the Coro loop?

I know they've got 15 minutes to waste my time.
I know I must do the following:-

Hand over my license
Let them check my rego/wof.
Give them my name, address & DOB.
Give them vehicle ownership info.
Hand over my keys if requested.


Can they move my bike if it's not in a hazardous location?
Can they start my bike engine?
Can they inspect parts of the bike not visible (i.e. remove panels etc)?
If requested to I have to allow them to photograph me?

Do I have to assist them with any of the above?
Can I photograph/video the officers involved?
Wonder what would happen if they damaged the bike?

Answers on a postcard please or does nobody on this forum actually know their legal rights?

[avgas]

implies that a traffic cop would know a turbo if it fell off and hit him in the Gucci loafer.
Seeing as I have been pulled over on a RG that was "Smoking too much".......I believe there are a few out there that are the bottom half of the bell curve.....

[Big Dave]

Legal rights - I'm right all the time.

[emaN]

Was waiting for this t'happen.

Inevitable that all the online cries of "well I ain't gonna register my bike now that rego's gone up!" would receive attention & force them into being creative.

Oh well, plenty of other places to go for a scoot.