Gas Gas 450, CRF 230l,

[countryguy]

I've been advised to consider one of the above as a alternative road legal bike to my DR650 for trail riding...any advice??

[NordieBoy]

For reliability and light weightedness the CRF is a sweet little bike.
It's a road legal, de-tuned, rear disc'd version of the 230F.

[dino3310]

For reliability and light weightedness the CRF is a sweet little bike.
It's a road legal, de-tuned, rear disc'd version of the 230F.

and its a Honda :Punk:

[Oscar]

I looked at a Gas Gas 450 and The Publisher warned me that there are two models - the full on enduro one with all the nice bits, and the cheapo nasty one I was looking at...

[Taz]

Why the hell would they de-tune a 230?:blink:

[NordieBoy]

Why the hell would they de-tune a 230?:blink:

To tame some of the orsum power...

:scooter:

[countryguy]

I can sit flat footed on the Gas Gas :-) Yet to sit on a CRF.

Can anyone tell me about the gas gas...good and bad.

[XF650]

I can sit flat footed on the Gas Gas :-) Yet to sit on a CRF.

Can anyone tell me about the gas gas...good and bad.

Got ride reports on the Pampera 450 - have sent a PM.

[warewolf]

I looked at a Gas Gas 450 and The Publisher warned me that there are two models - the full on enduro one with all the nice bits, and the cheapo nasty one I was looking at...Were they the FSE(izit?) vs the Pampera?? There's quite a difference between the EC250 and the Pampera 250, in a similar way.

[Oscar]

Were they the FSE(izit?) vs the Pampera?? There's quite a difference between the EC250 and the Pampera 250, in a similar way.

Dat's the very one.

[clint640]

The old Pampera 2 stroke 250 was built from the ground up to be small & light, the new 4T Pampera's both look a bit naff as they appear to just be the enduro bikes with budget parts & cheap short travel suspension to get the seat height down.

I was thinking about the 450 as a possible upgrade from the Super Sherpa for Rosie, but it was off the list pretty quick when I saw it had the same suspension travel as the Sherp.

Cheers
Clint

[Taz]

I was thinking about the 450 as a possible upgrade from the Super Sherpa for Rosie, but it was off the list pretty quick when I saw it had the same suspension travel as the Sherp.

Cheers
Clint

And a tiny tank.

[XF650]

And a tiny tank.

After market tank is (or was) available plus up spec the suspension & the 450 Pampera has still got to be good value, isn't it?

[jezzaNZ]

IMO the CRF is a chicks bike, is that politically correct?:blink: And the 450 is more like a DRZ 400 but more power. The 450 will require more maintenance but will put a smile on your dial !!!!!!

I think you would be dissapointed with the power of the 230......

My 2 cents worth.

[Taz]

After market tank is (or was) available plus up spec the suspension & the 450 Pampera has still got to be good value, isn't it?

From memory the aftermarket tank was 11 litres, standard was 7.4litres :shit:

As an aside, I rode one of the first 400FSE's in NZ and it made my DRZ400 feel so powerful and well suspended.

Just get a DRZ and you'll be set...

[XF650]

14 litres
http://www.justgastanks.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_16_376&products_id=1072

[Pampera]

I've been advised to consider one of the above as a alternative road legal bike to my DR650 for trail riding...any advice??

I have had a Pampera 250, bought new, since 2003. It is a brilliant bike, nothing else like it. For this uniqueness you forgive variable build quality and poor parts support.

On the other hand the 450 Pampera is just a Japanese four stroke trail bike competitor without the build quality or support (and a lot more complex than the simple 250, so not so practical to do without factory parts support). I am not sure if ANY were sold from the batch bought into NZ.

Not bad reviews in places but really not worth the effort......

Michael

[Mort]

I still have a 2003 250 Pampera owned from new and its still going strong. Nothing has ever gone wrong with it. Also had an Ec300 which was a beast but again, totally reliable. I've looked at the the 450 Pampera and I quite like it... It depends if it ticks all your boxes but if it does...do it.

[countryguy]

Thinking I will go for a test ride next time I'm in ChCh. just a bit reluctant to fork out the $$$ betweem the Dr and the Gas Gas ;-)

[Taz]

Thinking I will go for a test ride next time I'm in ChCh. just a bit reluctant to fork out the $$$ betweem the Dr and the Gas Gas ;-)

They should be giving you the gas gas and some cash for the DR IMO.

[dino3310]

From memory the aftermarket tank was 11 litres, standard was 7.4litres :shit:

As an aside, I rode one of the first 400FSE's in NZ and it made my DRZ400 feel so powerful and well suspended.

Just get a DRZ and you'll be set...

id go the DRZ way too, parts and support are there

[jezzaNZ]

+1 for DRZ 400:gob:

[Oscar]

DRZ400 - great bike.
Powerful enough, more than competent handling, but not too highly strung.

[HenryDorsetCase]

how are either an upgrade over your DR650? (since I might be in the market and need a low seat height I had almost settled on the DR650 as the mount of choice. DR400 is too tall by half for me.)

[dino3310]

how are either an upgrade over your DR650? DR400 is too tall by half for me.)

gearing with off road ability

[Oscar]

how are either an upgrade over your DR650? (since I might be in the market and need a low seat height I had almost settled on the DR650 as the mount of choice. DR400 is too tall by half for me.)

A DRZ400 is a 100% improvement on the DR650 off road.