Wearing the right gear

[tigertim20]

found this on another forum, and thought Id share.

im a good rider, im vigilant, im experienced, ive had my licence for xxx years.
we hear them making excuses, but the truth is, those of us who are smart, wear gear because we know that it doesnt matter how good WE are, accidents can be caused by others.

Heres a wee snippet, a hndfull of blokes who got badly fucked up. if you are really squeemish, dont look.
Just think about these guys when you decide to go with just a helmet and gloves and nothing else. most of them would be dead without full gear

http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2010/10/scar-off-vote-now/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+HellForLeather+%28Hell+For+Le ather%29&utm_content=Google+Reader

[Berries]

Nice.

Want me to post pictures of dead bikers who were wearing all the gear just to prove another point ?

[wysper]

Nice.

Want me to post pictures of dead bikers who were wearing all the gear just to prove another point ?

I didnt look at the link
I gear up about 98% of the time.
But I cant help but agree with Berries sentiment on this one.

[Grubber]

I didnt look at the link
I gear up about 98% of the time.
But I cant help but agree with Berries sentiment on this one.

I'm the same. don't leave home without it i say.
Think the point was that if you at least wear something you may save a bit of your arse on most occasions. We all know you can still die no matter what.

[Swoop]

... it doesnt matter how good WE are, accidents can be caused by others.
Obviously katman hasn't visited that site, to inform them of the error of that statement...:facepalm:

[Genie]

Many years ago my brother was wiped out on his bike, his leg was torn to shreds, visiting him in hospital was rather difficult.

I was only 14 and had enjoyed riding with him so much and we never were anything but the clothes we had one. He was wearing shorts when he was wiped out, on his way home from work in the office.

The grisly pictures in my mind of his mangled leg have stayed with me all these years....that is way I bought some awesome leather, I value my skin.

I also had an off with an open face helmet, gazed all the skin off the side of my face, not pretty.

Better to be safe than sorry.

[ukusa]

was recently in Port Douglas, north Queensland. Almost all riders I saw were wearing t shirt or singlet, shorts & jandels or sneakers. Too hot to look cool.

[tigertim20]

Nice.

Want me to post pictures of dead bikers who were wearing all the gear just to prove another point ?

I didnt start the thread to start another debate, just thought it was worth a look.
point is, in most of those cases, lives were saved because of gear.
If you fuck up badly enough, youre going to die anyway, but depending on the severity of the accident, good gear can be the difference between:
losing a leg, and having a sever limp forever
minor to moderate head injries causing damage to sight/hearing and being a complete vegetable
severe all over bruising and a month long hospital stay with lots of injuries.

Id never say that wearing gear always saves a life. But I think it increases your chances of survival enough to warrant taking the effort.
Im no atgatt nazi, I ofen wear shoes instead of boots etc, but I ALWAYS have a minimum amount of gear on everytime im on the bike.

The thing that does get me is that, people say 'If IM in an accident then I . . . .., they dont stop to consider the emotional, or financial or other repercussions on their wives, mums dads, siblings, children etc etc etc.

[slofox]

I saw a guy clip a car not so long ago. He was wearing shorts etc...he was travelling maybe 50 - 60 kph.
He offed and slid along the road a couple of metres. Leather trou would've meant very minor injury if that. But shorts meant he grazed his leg from hip to ankle...

I'd take the leather trou, myself...

[Genie]

was recently in Port Douglas, north Queensland. Almost all riders I saw were wearing t shirt or singlet, shorts & jandels or sneakers. Too hot to look cool.

I've noticed over the last couple of weeks that many around this fair town have are wearing their shorts while riding, it makes me cringe. I send silent prayers asking that they not come off.

[Katman]

The right attitude beats the right gear hands down.

[Quasievil]

The right attitude beats the right gear hands down.

Until you hit the road.........and then not only are your hands down but they start to disappear:shit:

[Katman]

Until you hit the road.........and then not only are your hands down but they start to disappear:shit:

I'll make sure I stay upright.

[Quasievil]

I'll make sure I stay upright.

:facepalm:Ah Ha, and the other road users will do the same right ?

[Katman]

:facepalm:Ah Ha, and the other road users will do the same right ?

Quite frankly, I don't give a fuck what other road users do.

I'll do whatever is within my power to look after myself.

[willytheekid]

I've noticed over the last couple of weeks that many around this fair town have are wearing their shorts while riding, it makes me cringe. I send silent prayers asking that they not come off.

Your a saint Genie :D
personally...I have to restrain myself from thinking..."crash!, CRASH YA IDIOT!"...:blink:
I know...bad me :facepalm:...but it pisses me off to think these gene-pool rejects are the reason I now pay High insurance and ACC costs, just because they want to look cool and learn the the hard way that asphalt IS tougher than skin.....idiots!

WEAR THE GEAR!....everytime you ride!, it may save your life....or at the least, stop you from walking funny for weeks after a slide :nya:

[Quasievil]

Quite frankly, I don't give a fuck what other road users do.

Really.........youre doomed mate


I'll do whatever is within my power to look after myself.

really...........but your not an advocate of gear

I cant be reading you right mate surely lol

[Katman]

ATGATT is great for those who don't have the ability to ensure their own safety.

Me? I wear my gear primarily to keep me warm.

There's too many dickheads who think that wearing ATGATT automatically protects them from harm regardless of the manner in which they ride.

Half of you would faint if you saw me take a bike out for a road test in summer.

[Quasievil]

ATGATT is great for those who don't have the ability to ensure their own safety.

What a ridiculous statement Katman, I always thought you had some intelligence :facepalm:
Dude no one on the road I repeat no one can ensure there own safety at anytime, there are far to many variables completely outside your control, not you and not any one else.
All you and anyone can do is take as many protective measures as possible via way of sensible riding and wearing good protective gear.
I always wear gear and I always have take every precaution, what are you saying ? that you take every precaution but dont wear gear? thats a contradiction of terms



There's too many dickheads who think that wearing ATGATT automatically protects them from harm regardless of the manner in which they ride.

Really? Ive never met a customer who has brought gear to enable them to be immortal.
I know a few younger riders that thing they are immortal but its got nothing to do with their gear, more so their age.


Half of you would faint if you saw me take a bike out for a road test in summer.

I wouldnt, I might get queezy looking at your grazed body and latter multiple skin grafts because you didnt ensure your safety when that car pulled out unexpectantly at the last second causing you to slide on the road for 10 metres

[Katman]

What a ridiculous statement Katman

Just goes to show how little you know of me in the real world Brett.

Those who see ATGATT as a panacea for motorcycle accidents are deluding themselves.

I'm not saying don't wear the gear - I'm saying sort your shit out first before believing that gear alone is going to save your life.

[Berries]

I didnt start the thread to start another debate, just thought it was worth a look.
point is, in most of those cases, lives were saved because of gear.
If you fuck up badly enough, youre going to die anyway, but depending on the severity of the accident, good gear can be the difference between:
losing a leg, and having a sever limp forever
minor to moderate head injries causing damage to sight/hearing and being a complete vegetable
severe all over bruising and a month long hospital stay with lots of injuries.
You can't start a thread on this particular subject and not start a debate - nigh on impossible. I don't think anyone would disagree with the fact that if you do crash the more protective gear you are wearing the better the outcome may be. It is probably because this is such an obvious fact I can't see the need for posting images of people who crashed without wearing all of that gear. I didn't look at the photos, the quote you had was enough to tell me what it contained. And it wouldn't have changed my mind on what I am going to wear when I get on my bike in the morning.

Everybody is convinced that the way they do things is the right way, you, me, Katman, the bloke I saw on some cruiser in shorts today and the old boy on the BM with no gloves. Who's to say what is right ? Keep it upright and it doesn't really matter.

[baptist]

I'm the same. don't leave home without it i say.
Think the point was that if you at least wear something you may save a bit of your arse on most occasions. We all know you can still die no matter what.

+1, I know I am not good enough to say "I will not fall off", so anything that helps keep my skin on my bones:sick: if I do go for a slide has to be of value. I think I owe it to myself and my family to take risks into account while I ride and then try to limit them, that has meant gear on and rider training.

[swbarnett]

Just think about these guys when you decide to go with just a helmet and gloves and nothing else. most of them would be dead without full gear
Even better if you don't ride at all!

Or maybe you'd like us to spend our lives in nice padded cells contemplating how safe we are?

[swbarnett]

I always wear gear and I always have take every precaution,
You still ride though. By definition you're not taking EVERY precaution.

[tigertim20]

You still ride though. By definition you're not taking EVERY precaution.

uhhhhm, you do realise that there is an entire spectrum of colours right?, theres more than just black and white out there!!

this seems to have turned into a pissing match, the entire thing was cut and pasted, mainly cos some of them guys have got some fucking gnarly injuries, and I thought some of the more morbid among us would appreciate it.
whatever, read it how you do!! KM is going so hard at this thread I think he's probably cum twice just by getting off on his perceived moral highground!!
good show, kee it up fellas!:innocent:

[Quasievil]

Those who see ATGATT as a panacea for motorcycle accidents are deluding themselves.

Who does that, I dont know anyone who thinks that, I know people that look at the whole picture that includes gear


I'm not saying don't wear the gear - I'm saying sort your shit out first before believing that gear alone is going to save your life.

Gear goes a long way to saving your life, a very long way as well as does the adoption of safe riding techniques . training etc.

Like I say its a combination of aspects that ensures safety.

You seem to have a issue with people that advocate one of the above aspects in particular, and when they voice it you blab on about your ATGATT issues, which is kinda weird

[Genie]

Some choose to be contraversial just for the sake of it.

[_Shrek_]

I'm the same. don't leave home without it i say.
Think the point was that if you at least wear something you may save a bit of your arse on most occasions. We all know you can still die no matter what.


I'm not saying don't wear the gear - I'm saying sort your shit out first before believing that gear alone is going to save your life.

:yes: :drinknsin well said guys

[Flip]

Fark me, another gear Nazi thread posted by a power ranger on a 300kph bike.

Where do you w@nkers get off telling other bikers what wo wear?

Get off your bike and get a job with your local council as a building inspector, dog ranger or parking warden if you feel the need to tell people how self important your opinions are.

Tossers!

[nodrog]

Fark me, another gear Nazi thread posted by a power ranger on a 300kph bike.

Where do you w@nkers get off telling other bikers what wo wear?

Get off your bike and get a job with your local council as a building inspector, dog ranger or parking warden if you feel the need to tell people how self important your opinions are.

Tossers!

Oh the irony


If I had seen you doing wheelies in my car park I would have hit you up straight away with serious misconduct. If you had told me to "man up" you would be immediately looking for a new job.

As an employer I have the legal responsibility to insure that my staff do not injure themselves at work. The Rozza can only charge you with dangerous, big deal a 3 month lol and a $1000 fine, if I know you were driving dangerously at work and did nothing and you injured yourself I can be personally fined $250,000.

I am actually surprised you still have a job. So stop doing dumb shit at work.

Fanny

[tigertim20]

Fark me, another gear Nazi thread posted by a power ranger on a 300kph bike.

Where do you w@nkers get off telling other bikers what wo wear?

Get off your bike and get a job with your local council as a building inspector, dog ranger or parking warden if you feel the need to tell people how self important your opinions are.

Tossers!

you failed remedial reading at primary school didn't you. no ? because it wasn't really a question.
have a look back, and you'll notice it was completely C&P'd, I just thought there were some gnarly injuries in there.
Oh, and I've seen people killed in 50km zones, at the speed limit or under, wearing good gear, so what does 300km/hr have to do with it?.

[Deano]

Get off your bike and get a job with your local council as a building inspector, dog ranger or parking warden if you feel the need to tell people how self important your opinions are.

Tossers!

Who is the tosser ? I work with parking wardens and dog rangers and your opinion above shows a severe lack of intelligence.

I gather from your post that you own unregistered aggressive dogs, build whatever the fuck you like and park in handicapped parks ? It's fucking easy to make generalisations eh dickhead ?:shutup:

Oh you da man !!

[sinned]

Motorcyclists in NZ tend to be well dressed and maybe that is the weather or thought of hitting rough chip seal. There are so many videos on youtube of antics on bikes where the rider has only a tee shirt and jeans while doing wheelies etc. Also plenty where they come off.

[James Deuce]

Not this bullshit again.

Wear what you want. Ultimately it comes down to what sort of risks you are prepared to take.

If I had my druthers I fix my lack of riding skill and my attitude.

[BMWST?]

The right attitude beats the right gear hands down.

and the right gear and the right attitude is better than just the right attitude

[James Deuce]

Define "Right Gear".

It'll still be your opinion.

[Deano]

Define "Right Gear".

It'll still be your opinion.

Yep - I've ridden (read cruised below 50kph) down P'ram Beach in a t-shirt, jeans and gloves. (and helmet obviously). It was summer.

More than what I'd wear riding a push bike at 40- 50kph.

Ride to the conditions - same goes for the gear I reckon.

[swbarnett]

uhhhhm, you do realise that there is an entire spectrum of colours right?, theres more than just black and white out there!!

How do you not get that this was exactly my point?

I think what Quazi meant was that he takes every reasonable precaution. To which I say that what is reasonable is a judgement that is best left to the individual.

[toe_rag]

Gear smear, i can often be seen riding in my undies, the only danger that causes is to other road users driving off the road due to laughing so hard.:rockon:

[oldrider]

What you think about usually happens so don't dwell on negative things like all those horrific injuries!

Know about them, appreciate them but don't dwell on them.

Try to think about all the positive things about riding motorcycles safely, why fill your head with negative shit that you don't ever want to happen to you anyway!

Think positively, ride positively, act positively, shit will still happen, so when you think about it, think about it happening somewhere else!

Again, what you think about, usually happens, so think about it the way you want it to happen for you! :blip:

[Berries]

I've still not won Lotto which kind of pisses on that theory.

[oldrider]

I've still not won Lotto which kind of pisses on that theory.

Lotto is for losers who wait for other people to make things happen for them, real winners make their own luck! (every day)

[Quasievil]

I think what Quazi meant was that he takes every reasonable precaution. To which I say that what is reasonable is a judgement that is best left to the individual.

Pretty Much, but mostly giving Katman shit for his status and thinking.

[Katman]

Pretty Much, but mostly giving Katman shit for his status and thinking.

Status? :scratch:





Edit: I prefer the old 'scratch' smilie.

[Katman]

Here's a question for you Brett - how would you rank the following in order of importance with regard to reducing motorcycle accidents?

a) Good luck
b) ATGATT
c) A good mental attitude towards riding a motorcycle.

And don't say they'll all as important as each other - that's a cop out.

[BMWST?]

Here's a question for you Brett - how would you rank the following in order of importance with regard to reducing motorcycle accidents?

a) Good luck
b) ATGATT
c) A good mental attitude towards riding a motorcycle.

And don't say they'll all as important as each other - that's a cop out.

thats a silly question.ATGATT does nothing to reducing the accident rate."luck" may have a ranking in the overall list .

[Katman]

thats a silly question.ATGATT does nothing to reducing the accident rate."luck" may have a ranking in the overall list .

It's not so silly. My stance has always been that we should concentrate on reducing accidents.

ATGATT may reduce the severity of an accident but other things could well have avoided the accident in the first place.

[BMWST?]

It's not so silly. My stance has always been that we should concentrate on reducing accidents.

ATGATT may reduce the severity of an accident but other things could well have avoided the accident in the first place.

quite true but that does not mean that protective gear has no merit.

[Katman]

quite true but that does not mean that protective gear has no merit.

Who has ever said it has no merit? I certainly haven't.

[Owl]

Here's a question for you Brett - how would you rank the following in order of importance with regard to reducing motorcycle accidents?

a) Good luck
b) ATGATT
c) A good mental attitude towards riding a motorcycle.

And don't say they'll all as important as each other - that's a cop out.

Somewhat loaded question though!

ATGATT has little or no bearing on "reducing motorcycle accidents" and everything to do with reducing injury.

Mental attitude has a major bearing on reducing accidents and therefore injury.

[BMWST?]

Who has ever said it has no merit? I certainly haven't.


ATGATT is great for those who don't have the ability to ensure their own safety.

Me? I wear my gear primarily to keep me warm.

There's too many dickheads who think that wearing ATGATT automatically protects them from harm regardless of the manner in which they ride.

Half of you would faint if you saw me take a bike out for a road test in summer.

This does not come across as a proponent for ATGATT

[Katman]

Somewhat loaded question though!

ATGATT has little or no bearing on "reducing motorcycle accidents" and everything to do with reducing injury.

Mental attitude has a major bearing on reducing accidents and therefore injury.

And I think that sums up my "status" in a nutshell.

[Katman]

This does not come across as a proponent for ATGATT

I've never claimed to be a proponent of ATGATT.

I'm a proponent of Sort Your Shit Out And Stop Having Accidents.

[BMWST?]

I've never claimed to be a proponent of ATGATT.

I'm a proponent of Sort Your Shit Out And Stop Having Accidents.

Thats ok but i beleive in coming from both ends of the argument

[Katman]

Thats ok but i beleive in coming from both ends of the argument

I believe in tackling the bigger issue.

[Quasievil]

Here's a question for you Brett - how would you rank the following in order of importance with regard to reducing motorcycle accidents?

a) Good luck
b) ATGATT
c) A good mental attitude towards riding a motorcycle.

And don't say they'll all as important as each other - that's a cop out.

how does any of those things reduce motorcycle accidents?

[Katman]

how does any of those things reduce motorcycle accidents?

Now you're the one being ridiculous.

I don't mean 'mental' as in 'fucked in the head mental'.

[Quasievil]

not really, I had all but good luck and crashed.

anyway, Im NOT a ATGATT Nazi, personally I dont give a flying hoof what people wear, do what ya like.
I thought it valid to give you the flame for your candid attitude towards gear on the basis you dont think its needed for rider safety.
If you wear shorts and a singlet it aint no skin of my back bro, just yours,
All the good luck and awesome attitude wont serve your skin AT ALL when you hit the pavement.

[Katman]

not really, I had all but good luck and crashed.

anyway, Im NOT a ATGATT Nazi, personally I dont give a flying hoof what people wear, do what ya like.
I thought it valid to give you the flame for your candid attitude towards gear on the basis you dont think its needed for rider safety.
If you wear shorts and a singlet it aint no skin of my back bro, just yours,
All the good luck and awesome attitude wont serve your skin AT ALL when you hit the pavement.

You speak of accidents as though you believe there's nothing that can be done to avoid them.

Maybe you need to reassess that riding attitude of yours. :whistle:

[Quasievil]

You speak of accidents as though you believe there's nothing that can be done to avoid them.



Thats correct, as long as there are vehicles and humans using them there will be accidents, best get dressed for them eh or not, your choice

[ynot slow]

Thats correct, as long as there are vehicles and humans using them there will be accidents, best get dressed for them eh or not, your choice

Add in animals major cause outside rider error maybe biggest cause.

And spare a thought for those first on the scene of an accident,at least if wearing protective gear the scene will be less traumatic,the fact you have shorts and t shirt will make injuries worse than leather wearing rider,won't apply at 160km crash for sure.

I saw the effects of a low speed crash on a farm race,guy was picking out shingle from his knee for weeks,is this relevant a work crash to road,probably not,but tarseal is harder than gravel,and at 50km I wouldn't like to crash without my gear.

I crashed 20 years ago on my ER185,90 degree bend by my homedoing 30km and slippery road due to rain,still have scar on hand,and knee,was going to dairy 300mts away,had boots on,but sweatshirt and jeans dont stop much.

[MSTRS]

On a bike, there are only two lines of defence against crash and injury.
First line is within what your helmet contains. That's the defence against crashing.
Second line is what we put on our bodies. That's the defence in mitigation of severity of injury.
You can argue all you like about either, or which one is more important. Only a knobend ignores both.

[tigertim20]

I've never claimed to be a proponent of ATGATT.

I'm a proponent of Sort Your Shit Out And Stop Having Accidents.

oh fuck off man.
the thread wasnt about 'how to prevent accidents', it was about how gear CAN help when one does occur.
are you so fucking blind and deaf to all but the sound of your own trumpet that you are incapable of reading?
I think youll find that 90% of people on here would agree that a new licencing system is required in this country that places more focus on looking and thinking and being aware.

The only reason you get so many people arguing with you is because you go blindly charging into threads spouting your shit, without bothering to read the damn thing.
try reading first, youll find you have bugger all reason to ever say anything.
I think we'd all like that:yes:

[beyond]

Anyone who thinks that riding a motorbike is not going to lead to an accident at some stage in their motorcyling career is an ostrich with their head in the sand.

I know..... if you think something will happen it more than likely will and there is truth in that but the old saying that it's not if, it's when, does apply in this game. Most people do not want to hear this though

No one knows when that will be, no one wants that to be but you are very unlikely to get through your life riding a motorbike without an accident. If you do you'll also be a Jackpot Lotto winner too.

No matter how well prepared you are, how well you can ride, how good a positive mental attitude you have, someone, somewhere is going to have their best shot at you even if you are doing everything by the book.

It might be the dick changing a CD coming around a blind corner who decides your side of the road is better than theirs, the idiot who overtakes on a short straight but still happens to be on your side of the road as he enters the corner. Sure, YOU can stop in half the clear distance of roadway ahead but this tosser is coming at you at way more than the speed limit. What about the boy racer who enters a corner to quickly and loses it sliding straight into your path wihtout warning, the truck who loses part of their load as you are about to overtake safely, the Pukeko in the drain you never saw who just happens to fly straight up across the road and nearly takes your head off?

I'm sorry, but there is bugga all you can do when the chips are down except wear the best gear you can afford to ensure the mess will be as minimal as possible or at least you have a tight enough body bag to hold all the bits together to make some poor buggas job a little easier.

[Berries]

Anyone who thinks that riding a motorbike is not going to lead to an accident at some stage in their motorcyling career is an ostrich with their head in the sand.
Bollocks. Who would take up riding a bike if it was guaranteed that you would fall off and hurt yourself ? If it was as bad as you make out here they would have banned motorbikes years ago.

[R-Soul]

Lets face it: ATGATT does not prevent or reduce accidents. Responsible riding does.

And at the end of the day, while jackets, pants and boots are expensive, high tech, abrasion resistant material, they are just that : MATERIAL.

Not impact absorbers, not protective cages, not airbags (although Dainese has some interesting shit coming out WITH airbags). They stop you getting abraded. They wont help in a high speed impact.

[slofox]

I'd still rather fall off with gear than without...

[beyond]

Bollocks. Who would take up riding a bike if it was guaranteed that you would fall off and hurt yourself ? If it was as bad as you make out here they would have banned motorbikes years ago.

I take it you've not had an accident "yet".

They haven't banned horse riding either and their stats are worse than motorcylists.

I say again; it's not if but when and if you do make it through your life without an accident of some sort, count yourself blessed or bloody lucky. That is the reality of it.

No one who has ever had an accident expected it or assumed it would happen to them because if they did, as you point out they probably would never have got on one in the first place.

Therefore ATGATT

[Katman]

I say again; it's not if but when

Judging by the way you ride I'm not surprised you take that viewpoint.

[axdout]

I wear a helmet coz you get a $150 dollar fine when you dont!

[hellokitty]

I'd still rather fall off with gear than without...

Hell yes! I have nursed people who have had skin grafts - horrible!!! and so painful!

(and of course all the broken bones etc)

[James Deuce]

Lets face it: ATGATT does not prevent or reduce accidents. Responsible riding does.



Everybody can STHU now. There's no more to be said.

[beyond]

They wont help in a high speed impact.

Hence my comment on good tight leathers making a decent body bag. Makes the clean up a lot easier.

[Berries]

I take it you've not had an accident "yet".

They haven't banned horse riding either and their stats are worse than motorcylists.

I say again; it's not if but when and if you do make it through your life without an accident of some sort, count yourself blessed or bloody lucky. That is the reality of it.
Yes, I have not had an accident "yet" and neither have a lot of people I know. I do think it is possible to ride for years without crashing and don't believe that it is, or should be, part of the whole bike riding experience.

As for horse riding, the only way to ban it would be to shoot every horse in NZ, and I can't see that happening. Then it'll be netball, have you seen their stats ?

[Katman]

Taking the attitude that it is preordained that you will have a motorcycle accident is what leads to an unhealthy acceptance of our accident and injury stats.

If more people took the attitude that they will not have an accident there would be more people taking positive steps to ensure they don't.

[p.dath]

Nice.

Want me to post pictures of dead bikers who were wearing all the gear just to prove another point ?

Acknowledged, wearing gear may not prevent you from dying. However wearing gear means you likely to better off should the worst happen.

[MSTRS]

Taking the attitude that it is preordained that you will have a motorcycle accident is what leads to an unhealthy acceptance of our accident and injury stats.

If more people took the attitude that they will not have an accident there would be more people taking positive steps to ensure they don't.

Semantics, maybe? "Should not" would be more accurate, since none of us can guarantee 'will not'.
And there is the issue of what one calls such an event. Accident or Crash? World of difference between the two. I would accept "will not have a crash" . Otherwise, things beyond our control DO happen, so it is totally realistic to go about with the thought in the back of one's mind that riding incident-free is most unlikely over time.
I might have got mine out of the way early on in my 'career' - 1973 and 1974, and nothing since. But I always ride with the thought that anything is possible.

[Berries]

Acknowledged, wearing gear may not prevent you from dying. However wearing gear means you likely to better off should the worst happen.
I doubt anybody who has posted in this thread would argue with that statement.

[Quasievil]

I doubt anybody who has posted in this thread would argue with that statement.

Katman would lol

[Katman]

Semantics, maybe? "Should not" would be more accurate, since none of us can guarantee 'will not'.


It's all about a mind-set John.

If people set out for a ride with a determination that they 'will not' have an accident there's a far greater chance that that is how their ride will pan out than if they took the attitude "I shouldn't have an accident" or "I might not have an accident" or "I hope I don't have an accident".

[Quasievil]

It's all about a mind-set John.

If people set out for a ride with a determination that they 'will not' have an accident there's a far greater chance that that is how their ride will pan out than if they took the attitude "I shouldn't have an accident" or "I might not have an accident" or "I hope I don't have an accident".

Wow you live in weird world katboy lol

[MSTRS]

It's all about a mind-set John...



I almost agree. I also know that subtlety is not your strong point, so you may have missed my point.
Problem with your theory is that people who ride like they will have a prang, may not. And those that ride as though they will not, may.
The trick is to ride to avoid problems, yet keep in mind it is always possible.

[Quasievil]

DAMN I tried the mind-set trick Katman!!

I just made a hot coffee and decided to try the Mind set idea so I could be sure I wouldn't spill it when walking back to the office I had my mind bang on according to your instruction

I said to myself..........

I 'will not' have an Spill age accident

I shook away the attitude of

"I shouldn't have an Spillage accident"

So with my pre trip mentality all sorted I left the kitchen.............


And Fuck me days mid way on my trip back to the office the fucking courier knocked on the door, the dog took off to the door, cut me off and LOOK my coffee is all over the fucking Carpet.

[Katman]

And Fuck me days mid way on my trip back to the office the fucking courier knocked on the door, the dog took off to the door, cut me off and LOOK my coffee is all over the fucking Carpet.

Everybody's fault but your own, ay Brett? :msn-wink:

[Quasievil]

Everybody's fault but your own, ay Brett? :msn-wink:

Well I took all the precautions, had the right mental attitude, I just couldnt control the factors outside my control.:innocent:

[Katman]

Well I took all the precautions, had the right mental attitude, I just couldnt control the factors outside my control.:innocent:

You shouldn't have filled your cup so full.

[Swoop]

Well I took all the precautions, had the right mental attitude, I just couldnt control the factors outside my control.:innocent:
Were you wearing a "flouro vest of invincibility"?
We all know they totally stop accidents from happening...

[beyond]

You shouldn't have filled your cup so full.

Using the positive mind attitude coming through this thread, he shouldn't have filled his cup at all, shouldn't have made coffee, shouldn't have felt like a coffee, shouldn't have got up in the morning to make a coffee, should have stayed in bed because then the chances of having an accident are severaly reduced(unless of course one is incontinent)

BUT, then there's the fellow in Alaska sleeping in his tent all snug in his sleeping bag who got crushed by a big hunk of ice that happened to fall off a plane flying way overhead.

Bet he never thought he would be killed by flying ice?

Oh wait, that's an accident... he must have been thinking about it happening and that's why it happened.

I wonder about peoples logic at times.

[Katman]

BUT, then there's the fellow in Alaska sleeping in his tent all snug in his sleeping bag who got crushed by a big hunk of ice that happened to fall off a plane flying way overhead.

Bet he never thought he would be killed by flying ice?

Oh wait, that's an accident... he must have been thinking about it happening and that's why it happened.



If a meteor fell from the sky killing me while I was riding I'd call that an uncannily freakish accident that I had no control over.

How many motorcycle accidents do you really think fall into that category?

:weird:

[R-Soul]

Hence my comment on good tight leathers making a decent body bag. Makes the clean up a lot easier.

But I will not ride without them... I (think I) ride responsibly, and do absolutely everything I can think of to not get into dangerous situations. But I wear the leathers to help in case I have not thought of one particular way.