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[TwoSeven]

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Barmy Army

[Hitcher]

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Barmy Army

There are times I am eternally grateful that my ancestors fled from the Pomgolians 150 years ago. Barmy Army supporter tours are one of those times.

[Skunk]

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Barmy ArmyI see nothing of any consequence there... :whistle:

[Biff]

Bloody barmy army - nothing but bunch of Brits on a piss up.:not:

Despite what you hear this lot mainly follow bloody cricket and not rugby.

[Grizz]

sorry, my mistake I thought you said something about important :whistle:

[Skunk]

cricket and rugby.I have no idea what either of those are.

[Ixion]

What happened to St Patricks cross ? :weird:

[James Deuce]

Hijack!

Was that you in the latest BRM Two Seven?

[Biff]

I have no idea what either of those are.

You must be English then.

[Skunk]

You must be English then.And bit of French.

[James Deuce]

And bit of French.

Pepe Le Peu most likely.

[boomer]

baaaarmy aaarmy !! :p

[Skunk]

Pepe Le Peu most likely.Domesticated attack skunks (http://www.halfbakery.com/idea/Domesticated_20attack_20skunks) Stand back! I've got a loaded skunk and I'm not afraid to use it!

[Waylander]

Lets hope the Maori players put up a better game than Taranaki (did I spell that right?) Last nights game was just hideous. Atleast BoP put up a damn good fight.

[Suney]

Why were they called the British and Irish Lions? I thought Britain covered all the countries?

[boomer]

Southern Ireland dont associate themselves with the British.

Looky here for some useless facts http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/uk.html

[placidfemme]

Why were they called the British and Irish Lions? I thought Britain covered all the countries?

Excatly! And why are they called the Lions... no Lions in Europe other than Zoo's...

[TwoSeven]

Look at the flags.

Its includes southern ire. Ulster (northern ireland) is part of the UK. Britain is wales, scotland, england and northern ireland.

[Oscar]

Why were they called the British and Irish Lions? I thought Britain covered all the countries?

Geographically Ireland is one of the British Isles. Politically we have two separate entities: The United Kingdom including Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic (Eire).

Interestingly there is only one Rugby Union in Ireland which covers Northern Ireland and Eire.

[Biff]

Politically:

Britain - England, Wales, Scotland. 'The Mainland'
UK - England, Wales, Scotland & N.Ireland

Eire (Southern Island) is a separate country. Hence the official tour party name of the British and Irish Lions.

Southern Ireland is not part of the UK.

But people do tend to broaden the use of the term Britain to include N.Ireland, but technically/politically it isn't.

[Oscar]

Rugby heaven!!

I drove down to the 'Naki, watched the game and drove straight back.
I've got tickets for the Maori game and for the second test...rule Britiannia!

[James Deuce]

But we still don't know if that was Two Seven on his KZ in the latest BRM, do we?

[Ixion]

Look at the flags.

Its includes southern ire. Ulster (northern ireland) is part of the UK. Britain is wales, scotland, england and northern ireland.

Surely if there is St George's Cross and St Andrew's (not to mention the Dragon of Cymru) then Ulster should be represented by either St patrick's Cross, or the Bloody Hand of Ulster ?

[Oscar]

Surely if there is St George's Cross and St Andrew's (not to mention the Dragon of Cymru) then Ulster should be represented by either St patrick's Cross, or the Bloody Hand of Ulster ?

If yer a Nationalist the Cross of St. George is representative, if yer a Republican, then the Tricolour is OK.

[Sniper]

Southern Ireland is not part of the UK.

But people do tend to broaden the use of the term Britain to include N.Ireland, but technically/politically it isn't.

Has something to do with IRA and separatism doesnt it?

[Oscar]

Politically:


But people do tend to broaden the use of the term Britain to include N.Ireland, but technically/politically it isn't.

Small correction.
Politically, the name of the country is the United Kingdom, which includes Northern Ireland. The name "Britain" or "British" is used to refer to that Nation and it's inhabitants. The "British Isles" (geographically speaking) includes all of Ireland.

So the name change is just a bit of PC wank.
Saying the "British & Irish Lions" is akin to saying the "New Zealand and South Island ALl Blacks"

Me? Pedantic? Never.... :whistle:

[Biff]

Has something to do with IRA and separatism doesnt it?

Yup - in an around about way. The English imported thousands of Scots into Northern Ireland several hundred years ago. The Scots being used as both a local army to keep an eye on the Irish, but also as friendly 'natives' to mke use of the land. This naturally pissed of the local Irish after the Scots were given protection by the British crown and were awarded all the best jobs and houses.

After much trouble, strife and resentment over the years the IRA emerged.

[Oscar]

Yup - in an around about way. The English imported thousands of Scots into Northern Ireland several hundred years ago. This naturally pissed of the local Irish after the Scots were given protection by the British crown and were awarded all the best jobs and houses.

After much trouble, strife and resentment over the years the IRA emerged.

Actually, whereas there were several occasions that the English invaded, most of the Ulster Nationalist are of Scottish extraction. Robert the Bruce sent his Brother to Ulster to help fight the English, but the expedition turned into more of an invasion...

[James Deuce]

Red Hand anyone?

[Biff]

Actually, whereas there were several occasions that the English invaded, most of the Ulster Nationalist are of Scottish extraction. Robert the Bruce sent his Brother to Ulster to help fight the English, but the expedition turned into more of an invasion...

Yup sure - but in the 1300's (I think), the Scots were sent in to lay siege to NI's main castles and such like, and to set up home for good as oppossed to going in with the primary intention of simply opening a six pack of whoop arse on the poor paddys.

But Irish history is riddled with incidents like these. That's why the country (NI) is in such a mucking fuddle today. So it would take a couple of historians several hours/days to trawl back through history in order to find out the enitre story. A bit like the history of Israel and Palestine I guess.

[Oscar]

Yup sure - but in the 1300's (I think), the Scots were sent in to lay siege to NI's main castles and such like, and to set up home for good as oppossed to going in with the primary intention of simply opening a six pack of whoop arse on the poor paddys.

But Irish history is riddled with incidents like these. That's why the country (NI) is in such a mucking fuddle today. So it would take a couple of historians several hours/days to trawl back through history in order to find out the enitre story. A bit like the history of Israel and Palestine I guess.

The Simon Schama "History of Britain" is a good place to start. Being married to a History Teacher helps, too...

[Ixion]

..This naturally pissed of the local Irish after the Scots were given protection by the British crown and were awarded all the best jobs and houses.

After much trouble, strife and resentment over the years the IRA emerged.

Don't blame the crown, 'twas that rascal Oliver that did it.

[TwoSeven]

Small correction.
Politically, the name of the country is the United Kingdom, which includes Northern Ireland. The name "Britain" or "British" is used to refer to that Nation and it's inhabitants. The "British Isles" (geographically speaking) includes all of Ireland.

So the name change is just a bit of PC wank.
Saying the "British & Irish Lions" is akin to saying the "New Zealand and South Island ALl Blacks"

Me? Pedantic? Never.... :whistle:

I think you may want to go back to school and learn basic geography.

Ireland and the Republic of Eire is a completely separate country and I suspect any Irish folks here would take offense to you saying its part of britain. Thats as bad as saying New zealand is part of Australia because its close to it.

[TwoSeven]

But we still don't know if that was Two Seven on his KZ in the latest BRM, do we?

I should hope not. I dont think i've ever read that magazine and have received no notification that they took a photo of me and published it. I suspect they'd be in breach of the privacy act if they did.

[Biff]

Politically, the name of the country is the United Kingdom, which includes Northern Ireland. The name "Britain" or "British" is used to refer to that Nation and it's inhabitants.

Nope - technicaly (my turn to be pedantic) you're wrong. But it's a mistake 95% of Brits make.

Technically Britain does not include Northern Ireland. Trust me on this. I spent the first half of last year working for the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister in the UK and this was made very, very clear to me for a number of very important reasons. So politically and under international law Northern Ireland is technically not part of Britain. It is however part of the United Kingdom.

And as for the British Isles including Ireland - not if you're Irish.

[Ixion]

Nope - you're wrong. But it's a mistake 95% of Brits make.
Technically Britain does not include Northern Ireland. Trust me on this. I spent the first half of last year working for the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister in the UK and this was made very, very clear to me for a number of very important reasons. So politically and under international law Northern Ireland is technically not part of Britain. It is however part of the United Kingdom.

And as for the British Isles including Ireland - not if you're Irish.

"The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland"

So what is "united" is the Kingdom of Great Britain, united with the Kingdom of (Northern) Ireland (though the northern there is actually wrong, and a political sop to the Republicans.

Ireland is not part of Great Britain, which is the Kingdoms of England and Scotland, with the Isle of Man (which is part of neither Kingdom) .

Since Henry VIII the King of England is also King of Ireland (though this is not recognised by the Pope) . Nowadays the Kingdom of Ireland is limited geographically to Northern Ireland (more or less the old principality of Ulster).

We won't even mention the weirdness of the Channel Islands.

It'll all be sorted out anyway when the rightful king is restored.

God Save King Francis

[Biff]

Ireland is not part of Great Britain, which is the Kingdoms of England and Scotland AND WALES with the Isle of Man (which is part of neither Kingdom) .

:niceone: ..............

[Wolf]

Home Rule for Wales!




Moby Dick for King!

[Ixion]

:niceone: ..............

Sorry. Wales is part of the Kingdom of England. Even the titular autonomy of the Prince of Wales was ablosihed by Henry VIII ('im again!) when he abolished the Council of Wales (which, oddly, sat at Ludlow).

Blame old LongShanks. And weep if you will for llewylln.

[James Deuce]

You guys can't read. He said the British Isles, not Great Britain, The Kingdom of Great Britain, or the inbred rejects of Pictish and Celtic society plus a mix of Saxons, Angles, and Normans.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=British%20Isles

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<DL><DD>A group of islands off the northwest coast of Europe comprising Great Britain, Ireland, and adjacent smaller islands.</DD></DL></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.</CITE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<!-- end ahd4 --><!-- begin wn --><!-- google_ad_region_start=def -->British Isles

n : Great Britain and Ireland and adjacent islands in the north Atlantic [syn: British Isles (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=british%20isles)]

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[Biff]

If you're referring to my alleged inability to read - I can read thanks. And what I implied was that the people from Ireland (Eire) are not happy being told they live in the British Isles. They live on an island called Ireland. Irrespective of what some online dictionary defines, as probably written and decided upon written by a gaggle of Brits at an English university or some Americans. Anyhoo - the term British Isles is a term used to loosly describe a number of islands just west of Europe, so were arguing about semantics anyway.


Sorry. Wales is part of the Kingdom of England. Even the titular autonomy of the Prince of Wales was ablosihed by Henry VIII ('im again!) when he abolished the Council of Wales (which, oddly, sat at Ludlow)

Aha - those darned bloody Ingles again claiming that because they decided that they no longer recognised an area land as being a seperate nation, then it must indeed cease to exist.

Thankfully the United Nations, the modern British government (albeit under the control of English law and by royal decree referred to as a 'principality' ) and the European Union recognise Wales as a seperate country, part of the 'greater' Britain and the United Kingdom.

CYMRU AM BYTH

[Oscar]

I think you may want to go back to school and learn basic geography.

Ireland and the Republic of Eire is a completely separate country and I suspect any Irish folks here would take offense to you saying its part of britain. Thats as bad as saying New zealand is part of Australia because its close to it.


I think you want to go back to school and learn basic comprehension. You are mixing up Geography and Politics.

From Dictionary.Com:


British Isles

A group of islands off the northwest coast of Europe comprising Great Britain, Ireland, and adjacent smaller islands.

[Oscar]

Nope - technicaly (my turn to be pedantic) you're wrong. But it's a mistake 95% of Brits make.

Technically Britain does not include Northern Ireland. Trust me on this. I spent the first half of last year working for the Office of the Deputy Prime Minister in the UK and this was made very, very clear to me for a number of very important reasons. So politically and under international law Northern Ireland is technically not part of Britain. It is however part of the United Kingdom.

And as for the British Isles including Ireland - not if you're Irish.

Um, read it again - I said that Nth Irleand was part of the UK.

[Oscar]

You guys can't read. He said the British Isles, not Great Britain, The Kingdom of Great Britain, or the inbred rejects of Pictish and Celtic society plus a mix of Saxons, Angles, and Normans.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=British%20Isles

<TABLE cellPadding=2 width="100%" border=0><TBODY><TR vAlign=top align=left><TD rowSpan=2>2 entries found for British Isles.

<!-- begin ahd4 --><!-- google_ad_region_start=def --><TABLE><TBODY><TR><TD>British Isles
<DL><DD>A group of islands off the northwest coast of Europe comprising Great Britain, Ireland, and adjacent smaller islands.</DD></DL></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
[Download Now (http://dictionary.reference.com/go/http://www.houghtonmifflinbooks.com/eref/buy_HMAFF00004.jsp) or Buy the Book (http://dictionary.reference.com/bookstore/ahd4.html)]<!-- google_ad_region_end=def -->
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Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.</CITE></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<!-- end ahd4 --><!-- begin wn --><!-- google_ad_region_start=def -->British Isles

n : Great Britain and Ireland and adjacent islands in the north Atlantic [syn: British Isles (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=british%20isles)]

</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Give that man a Ceegar... :niceone:

[Wolf]

CYMRU AM BYTH
Cymru am byth!

...ac iechyd da, Biff

Good on the UN and the EU - now all they have to do is recognise the sovereignty of Scotland and Kernow...

(Waiting for bite from Oscar)

[Oscar]

Cymru am byth!

...ac iechyd da, Biff

Good on the UN and the EU - now all they have to do is recognise the sovereignty of Scotland and Kernow...

(Waiting for bite from Oscar)

No bite from me.
If the phelgm garglers wanna piss off and exist in the real world, no problem.
Their standard of living would drop to Somali standards, though...not much call for local Welsh skills these days - digging coal and the ability to project three litres of spittle per minute whilst singing just don't pay that much in modern Europe...

[Ixion]

Aha - those darned bloody Ingles again claiming that because they decided that they no longer recognised an area land as being a seperate nation, then it must indeed cease to exist.

Thankfully the United Nations, the modern British government (albeit under the control of English law and by royal decree referred to as a 'principality' ) and the European Union recognise Wales as a seperate country, part of the 'greater' Britain and the United Kingdom.

CYMRU AM BYTH

No , it was because Ed I chopped of llewellyn's head (or equivalent , inhumed him with expreme prejudice anyway)

I do not think Wales has actually ceased to exist. The mapmaker people would have noticed.


Wales as a seperate country


Political window dressing I am afraid, a PR sop to the separatist movement, UNLESS they have repealed the Act of Union of 1536, which states, inter alia :


Wales ... is and ever hath bene incorporated, annexed, united and subiecte to and under the imperialle Crown of the Realme as a verry membre ... of the same.


And what then would you do with Pembrokeshire ? (Which was not part of Wales)

My sympathies however, my own longsires had their own problems with the damn Tudors.

I also forgot to mention the Town of Berwick (on Tweed). Double weird rations on that one.

[Oscar]

No , it was because Ed I chopped of llewellyn's head (or equivalent , inhumed him with expreme prejudice anyway)

I do not think Wales has actually ceased to exist. The mapmaker people would have noticed.


Political window dressing I am afraid, a PR sop to the separatist movement, UNLESS they have repealed the Act of Union of 1536, which states, inter alia :


And what then would you do with Pembrokeshire ? (Which was not part of Wales)

My sympathies however, my own longsires had their own problems with the damn Tudors.

I also forgot to mention the Town of Berwick (on Tweed). Double weird rations on that one.

...and Swansea would have to play in the Welsh league... :rofl:

[Ixion]

Cymru am byth!

...ac iechyd da, Biff

Good on the UN and the EU - now all they have to do is recognise the sovereignty of Scotland and Kernow...

(Waiting for bite from Oscar)

Actually, TECHNICALLY Cornwall would have a better case for recognition as a separate constitutional entity than Wales, because there was never a formal Act of Incorporation or Union.

The Normans just took it at the sword's point, and all claims by England rest simply on annexation.

And , indeed, it could be argued that Cornwall was actually annexed into the Duchy of Normandy, not the Kingdom of England, and therefore is governed by Her Majesty in right of her title as Duke of Normandy, not as Queen of England. Same as the channel islands.

The sovereignty of Scotland has never been disputed. It is the UNITED Kingdom. The Crown of Scotland is still extant. (Personally of course, as a Jacobite, I would not recognise the Act of Union of 1707 anyway)

[Biff]

Um, read it again - I said that Nth Irleand was part of the UK.


I have - several times.

The statement I disagree with, and as I found out to be false last year is:

The name "Britain" or "British" is used to refer to that Nation (that nation being mainland Britain and northern Ireland) and it's inhabitants.

What I'm saying is that while 95% of people would agree with you, technicaly Northern Ireland is not, as you claim, part of Britain. Although I agree that they are British. But they are part of the United Kingdom. I know it sounds weird and I was fortunate (?) enough to have a very well known British politician's (two jags?) senior legal advisor explain it to me.

I'm just stating what the actual legal and political definition is.

Off topic - and just edited - Why are you such a prat when it comes to talking about Wales?

I could argue that Wales has a GDP and population size similar to that of NZ, and yet I see no similarity with 'Somalia' here. And Wales is part of Europe so would benefit from all the free trade benefits of being there, unlike NZ.

But I won't . Shit I just did.

Get over it you grumpy xenophobic git. :motu:

[TwoSeven]

I still think NZ will lose. Go the british lions and ireland :)

[Biff]

Actually, TECHNICALLY Cornwall would have a better case for recognition as a separate constitutional entity than Wales,

Dude - your history is soooooooo last century. There is only one constitution in Europe, that's the European constitution.

Viva Europe am Byth

[Ixion]

Dude - your history is soooooooo last century. There is only one constitution in Europe, that's the European constitution.

Viva Europe am Byth

Who then is King of Europe. Have they reenthroned the Holy Roman Emperor ?

[Biff]

Who then is King of Europe.

King - what on earth is one of them? They went out with square wheels mate. It's all about commitites, free lunches, dodgy expense claims and Qangos these days.

But if they need one, I'm free (well not free, free - I do charge by the hour).

[Oscar]

I have - several times.

The statement I disagree with, and as I found out to be false last year is:

The name "Britain" or "British" is used to refer to that Nation (that nation being mainland Britain and northern Ireland) and it's inhabitants.

What I'm saying is that while 95% of people would agree with you, technicaly Northern Ireland is not, as you claim, part of Britain. Although I agree that they are British. But they are part of the United Kingdom. I know it sounds weird and I was fortunate (?) enough to have a very well known British politician's (two jags?) senior legal advisor explain it to me.

I'm just stating what the actual legal and political definition is.

Off topic - and just edited - Why are you such a prat when it comes to talking about Wales?

I could argue that Wales has a GDP and population size similar to that of NZ, and yet I see no similarity with 'Somalia' here. And Wales is part of Europe so would benefit from all the free trade benefits of being there, unlike NZ.

But I won't . Shit I just did.

Get over it you grumpy xenophobic git. :motu:

Ahh we're down to semantics.
I said "is used to refer". The fact is that Nth Ireland is a part of the United Kingdom, but most people refer to all UK residents as "British".

As for being a prat - I dunno - it's gift I suppose.
Seriously, I consider myself British first and English next - I have a Scottish name and ancestory, and Irish Great-Grandfather and was born in the North of Angleterre.

[Hitcher]

Dude - your history is soooooooo last century. There is only one constitution in Europe, that's the European constitution.
Apart from in those member states who have either yet to, or refuse, to ratify...

[James Deuce]

I still think NZ will lose. Go the british lions and ireland :)

Ahhh get a real bike ;)

[boomer]

There seems to be more poms and other northern hemispheric types here than kiwi's... :drinkup:

[TwoSeven]

The following quote is off the british government website.

"The full title of this country is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The UK is made up of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Great Britain (or just Britain) does not include Northern Ireland. The Channel Islands and the Isle of Man are not part of the UK"

[TwoSeven]

There seems to be more poms and other northern hemispheric types here than kiwi's... :drinkup:

Thats because the kiwis cant read :Punk: :rofl:


Thats why there are no comments when I say the lions will beat the ABs.

[James Deuce]

I should hope not. I dont think i've ever read that magazine and have received no notification that they took a photo of me and published it. I suspect they'd be in breach of the privacy act if they did.

You should porbably have a look then, because there is a chap in there with an article about touring around the Sth Is on a KZ440LTD.

[Skunk]

Thats because the kiwis cant read :Punk: :rofl: I can read. Sometimes. Mostly

Thats why there are no comments when I say the lions will beat the ABs.No. That's because I don't care. :whocares:

[TwoSeven]

You should porbably have a look then, because there is a chap in there with an article about touring around the Sth Is on a KZ440LTD.
It better be a red one. They go faster :)

I dont have a ltd. its a B..summin.