Dumb fucks with guns.

[Katman]

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/4268336/Hunter-thought-woman-was-an-animal

[Genie]

haha, what about dumb fucks on bikes, dumb fucks in cars, dumb fucks with knives...face it, there's dumb fucks everywhere! Probably a couple of dumb fucks will read this....

[mattian]

The golden rule of hunting. ALWAYS identify your target before discharging your firearm.

How many more times does this have to happen?

[merv]

Already made comment on that here http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/130164-Biker-bashes-cop-before-crash?p=1129891167#post1129891167

[Okey Dokey]

What an awful tragedy. Condolences to the family and friends of the slain teacher. There is no excuse for making such a "mistake" when you are using a firearm.

[Katman]

Already made comment on that here http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/130164-Biker-bashes-cop-before-crash?p=1129891167#post1129891167

Stupidity of this magnitude deserved it's very own thread.

[FJRider]

They thought it was a 'possom OR a deer ????? :blink:

Such great "hunters" they didn't know what they were looking at ... :facepalm:

[Delerium]

They thought it was a 'possom OR a deer ????? :blink:

Such great "hunters" they didn't know what they were looking at ... :facepalm:

which means the trigger shoudlnt have been pulled. The full story will eventually come out

[Grasshopperus]

Dickheads firing at movement eh.

In my experience most people who are into guns are immature 'tards who like the powertrip of holding a dangerous weapon but then say stuff like "I just have one to practise target shooting"

[Usarka]

The equvalent of a cager saying "ooops sorry I didn't see you".....

Therefore according the OP's philosiphy it's the ladies fault for putting herself in that situation......

:facepalm:

[davebullet]

haha, what about dumb fucks on bikes, dumb fucks in cars, dumb fucks with knives...face it, there's dumb fucks everywhere! Probably a couple of dumb fucks will read this....

Agreed......

[SMOKEU]

In my experience most people who are into guns are immature 'tards who like the powertrip of holding a dangerous weapon but then say stuff like "I just have one to practise target shooting"

Looks like you don't have much experience then. Most people who like guns are into them as a hobby, not just to rob the local convenience store.

[Jantar]

Looks like you don't have much experience then. Most people who like guns are into them as a hobby, not just to rob the local convenience store.

+1. I own a number of weapons, and most people down here either own or have access to a firearm or 2.

Target practice? Not unless the target is alive. Why waste expensive ammunition on a pice of cardboard?

Rabbit control, goat and/or deer hunting are the most likely uses for firearms down here. Closely followed by putting down unhealthy animals. A rifle is a tool, not a toy.

[Grubber]

haha, what about dumb fucks on bikes, dumb fucks in cars, dumb fucks with knives...face it, there's dumb fucks everywhere! Probably a couple of dumb fucks will read this....

Like bloody little gremlins those dumb fucks! They seem to be everywhere these days.
I found one in my mirror the other day....bit of a fright!:innocent:

[Grubber]

Dickheads firing at movement eh.

In my experience most people who are into guns are immature 'tards who like the powertrip of holding a dangerous weapon but then say stuff like "I just have one to practise target shooting"

Just like the most of the fellas that have 1000cc bikes i guess.(that was me generalising) Think you may be over dramatising it a little my friend.
I have a safe full of weapons and my kids go hunting regularly. THEY ARE BOTH GIRLS...you gonna call them power tripping tards too are you!
Just like a bike....they are safe as shit in the right hands and always will be.

[SMOKEU]

Guns don't kill people. People with guns kill people.

[tri boy]

It still surprises me, people refer to weapons/rifles/side arms as "guns".
Jantar is the one exception here.
Clearly someone with much experience.
The word gun is infintile, and used by those that should never handle a weapon/rifle/pistol.
MHO

[Virago]

...In my experience most people who are into guns are immature 'tards who like the powertrip of holding a dangerous weapon but then say stuff like "I just have one to practise target shooting"

That says more about "your experience" than anything else. Such pathetic generalisation adds nothing intelligent to any debate.

[SMOKEU]

It still surprises me, people refer to weapons/rifles/side arms as "guns".
Jantar is the one exception here.
Clearly someone with much experience.
The word gun is infintile, and used by those that should never handle a weapon/rifle/pistol.
MHO

What should a 'gun' be called then? What should I call a shotgun?

[Virago]

...The word gun is infintile, and used by those that should never handle a weapon/rifle/pistol...

I have no problem with the word. Should people who use the generalisation "bike" not be allowed to ride one either?

[BoristheBiter]

What should a 'gun' be called then? What should I call a shotgun?

Crowd control.

[98tls]

It still surprises me, people refer to weapons/rifles/side arms as "guns".
Jantar is the one exception here.
Clearly someone with much experience.
The word gun is infintile, and used by those that should never handle a weapon/rifle/pistol.
MHO

:rofl::rofl:Jesus ive read some pedantic shit on here but congrats.:thud:Thats the best yet.

[Jantar]

What should a 'gun' be called then? What should I call a shotgun?
A shotgun is a gun, as is any weapon that doesn't have rifling in the barrel. Eg muskets, old naval cannon etc.

Because almost all firearms were origionally guns, the term has stayed, and is usually understood by non users to mean any firearm. Anyone who has learnt to use a variety of weapons would tend to use the correct term for the weapon involved rather than the generic "gun".

[SMOKEU]

Anyone who has learnt to use a variety of weapons would tend to use the correct term for the weapon involved rather than the generic "gun".

I've used everything from shotguns, to handguns, to assault rifles to hunting rifles and I still call them guns. I'm yet to use a proper machine gun.

[Deano]

It still surprises me, people refer to weapons/rifles/side arms as "guns".
Jantar is the one exception here.
Clearly someone with much experience.
The word gun is infintile, and used by those that should never handle a weapon/rifle/pistol.
MHO

Pedantism occurs in all walks, such as spelling, eh Hitcher.

It's infantile BTW bro.

[BoristheBiter]

I've used everything from shotguns, to handguns, to assault rifles to hunting rifles and I still call them guns. I'm yet to use a proper machine gun.

Good on goats, just don't expect to take much home for the dogs (unless they like mince)

[SMOKEU]

Good on goats, just don't expect to take much home for the dogs (unless they like mince)

Now I'm tempted...

[mashman]

That's a pretty tragic accident... but that near to a campsite and at night, the plick should be locked up.

[duckonin]

Really sad shit 'poor buggar' that is being unlucky !!!!

[duckonin]

Dickheads firing at movement eh.

In my experience most people who are into guns are immature 'tards who like the powertrip of holding a dangerous weapon but then say stuff like "I just have one to practise target shooting"

Then it is my experience that says you have no experience at all with firearms and must be an immature 'tard for your silly fucken comment.:yes:

[98tls]

A shotgun is a gun, as is any weapon that doesn't have rifling in the barrel. Eg muskets, old naval cannon etc.

Because almost all firearms were origionally .

:shit::shit::facepalm:Hitch :angry:Every pedantic prick on here will be shaking their head in dismay,pick up your game eh fella.

[davereid]

Shit Katman.. you pasted Bob for a repost of a pretty non mainstream bit of news..

This is a repost.., except its mainstream.. you didn't even need to use the search function as it was posted same day in the same thread.

[Grasshopperus]

Looks like I hit a nerve.


Most people who like guns are into them as a hobby, not just to rob the local convenience store.

You aren't exactly a counter-example eh; A city-dweller student who's into swastikas. You sound like a Tim McVeigh clone.


A rifle is a tool, not a toy.

OK, I can buy that, _some_ people use firearms as tools. As I suggested, the majority who are 'into' guns (I'd define that as people who buy gun magazines, acquire them without the intent of using them for a useful purpose, sit around shining them all day etc) just have them to say they have them.


I have a safe full of weapons and my kids go hunting regularly. THEY ARE BOTH GIRLS...you gonna call them power tripping tards too are you!
Just like a bike....they are safe as shit in the right hands and always will be.


Well, I don't know your girls. What is it exactly that they like about hunting? Is it the part where they create a great big bloody hole in the side of some beast and then get you to slit its throat? Do they enjoy watching you butcher the carcass? Is it the physical exertion of clambering around in a forest? Or do they get a gleam in their eye when they see the gun come out and then spend time deciding who gets to go first?

I'm not being a bleeding-heart here, I'm genuinely interested their reasons. When I went hunting with my uncles as a kid I loved the god-power of being able to take a life with impunity from long-range.

Also, just because they're girls doesn't mean they're not into power and such. Girls have power structures, like cliques, and are cruel to others the same as boys. Queen Mary I was known as "Bloody Mary" for a very good reason.

[98tls]

I'm not being a bleeding-heart here, I'm genuinely interested their reasons. When I went hunting with my uncles as a kid I loved the god-power of being able to take a life with impunity from long-range.

Also, just because they're girls doesn't mean they're not into power and such. Girls have power structures, like cliques, and are cruel to others the same as boys. Queen Mary I was known as "Bloody Mary" for a very good reason.

Bugger me:facepalm:this has Auckland all over it.

[Virago]

...OK, I can buy that, _some_ people use firearms as tools. As I suggested, the majority who are 'into' guns (I'd define that as people who buy gun magazines, acquire them without the intent of using them for a useful purpose, sit around shining them all day etc) just have them to say they have them...

A baseless and silly generalisation doesn't become more valid with repetition.

[98tls]

OK, I can buy that, _some_ people use motorcycles as tools. As I suggested, the majority who are 'into' motorcycles (I'd define that as people who buy motorcycle magazines, acquire them without the intent of using them for a useful purpose, sit around shining them all day etc) just have them to say they have them.
. There,fixed.

[Flip]

Well I am generally disgusted when some poor sod is mistaken for game, there is no excuse. Some lady was shot and my only concern is with her and her family. I am sure that the shooter did not mean to shoot this lady, however the shooter will have to live with the consequences of his actions for the rest of his life.

The hunter might have seen her eyes reflected in the spot light and shot to them.

Twice when out hunting over the years I have being hunted by other hunters. It's a sobering experience and the reason I don't often go out to public areas now days. I have also had to chase spotlighting poachers off my farms more times than I can think of. You never know what you are going to face when you confront a 4WD full of young armed men at night.

[Grubber]

Looks like I hit a nerve.



You aren't exactly a counter-example eh; A city-dweller student who's into swastikas. You sound like a Tim McVeigh clone.



OK, I can buy that, _some_ people use firearms as tools. As I suggested, the majority who are 'into' guns (I'd define that as people who buy gun magazines, acquire them without the intent of using them for a useful purpose, sit around shining them all day etc) just have them to say they have them.




Well, I don't know your girls. What is it exactly that they like about hunting? Is it the part where they create a great big bloody hole in the side of some beast and then get you to slit its throat? Do they enjoy watching you butcher the carcass? Is it the physical exertion of clambering around in a forest? Or do they get a gleam in their eye when they see the gun come out and then spend time deciding who gets to go first?

I'm not being a bleeding-heart here, I'm genuinely interested their reasons. When I went hunting with my uncles as a kid I loved the god-power of being able to take a life with impunity from long-range.

Also, just because they're girls doesn't mean they're not into power and such. Girls have power structures, like cliques, and are cruel to others the same as boys. Queen Mary I was known as "Bloody Mary" for a very good reason.

With all due respect mate...you are right, you don't know me or my girls, but i now know you. You are, without putting too finer point on it, the biggest fuckwit i have ever come across.
My girls go hunting for the outdoors lifestyle amongst many other things, but i would have to say the biggest asset about them being in the outdoors hunting is that they are not down at the local watering hole drinking up large and smoking pot etc where they are most likely to meet a wanker like you.
I have never heard such a load of shite like that before in my life and when you start making referrals like that towards my daughters you start heading down very shaky ground.:angry:

[Grubber]

A baseless and silly generalisation doesn't become more valid with repetition.

I'd green bling that one too but i gone and run out. Well said!:yes:

[gammaguy]

ah yes the Kiwi Biker thread SOP

It starts off with a relevant reply or two,then the tone and level rapidly heads downward until all that remains is a bunch of thinly disguised threats and personal observations between people whose only common denominator is ignorance,to the point where any reader of the thread past page one (at best )has to go back to the start to see exactly what the fuck the subject was in the first place.

Good to see some things never change.

[Grasshopperus]

I have never heard such a load of shite like that before in my life and when you start making referrals like that towards my daughters you start heading down very shaky ground.:angry:

I'm pretty sure that you're the one who brought yours daughters into it and then invited me to make some comment about them. I asked you why they like hunting and you went spear.

[Shadows]

Looks like I hit a nerve. Blah blah blah.

OK I'm going to take the bait and presume that you aren't taking this piss.

I think you'll find that for the vast majority who don't require a firearm in their employment, that it's the challenge.

I don't know any firearms owners with a god complex who sit around polishing their weapons all day. You must know some really queer cunts.

Like attracts like, and all.

[Shadows]

You never know what you are going to face when you confront a 4WD full of young armed men at night.

Just ask Scott Guy

[Delerium]

Dickheads firing at movement eh.

In my experience most people who are into guns are immature 'tards who like the powertrip of holding a dangerous weapon but then say stuff like "I just have one to practise target shooting"

Bullshit. You probably know many people that own them and chose not to say so.

[Delerium]

Looks like I hit a nerve.



You aren't exactly a counter-example eh; A city-dweller student who's into swastikas. You sound like a Tim McVeigh clone.



OK, I can buy that, _some_ people use firearms as tools. As I suggested, the majority who are 'into' guns (I'd define that as people who buy gun magazines, acquire them without the intent of using them for a useful purpose, sit around shining them all day etc) just have them to say they have them.




Well, I don't know your girls. What is it exactly that they like about hunting? Is it the part where they create a great big bloody hole in the side of some beast and then get you to slit its throat? Do they enjoy watching you butcher the carcass? Is it the physical exertion of clambering around in a forest? Or do they get a gleam in their eye when they see the gun come out and then spend time deciding who gets to go first?

I'm not being a bleeding-heart here, I'm genuinely interested their reasons. When I went hunting with my uncles as a kid I loved the god-power of being able to take a life with impunity from long-range.

Also, just because they're girls doesn't mean they're not into power and such. Girls have power structures, like cliques, and are cruel to others the same as boys. Queen Mary I was known as "Bloody Mary" for a very good reason.

More bullshit. I subscribe to 2 hunting and shooting magazines and im far from the gross generalization you just mentioned. Iv probably had more responsibility my first 5 years out of high school than you ever will.

[oldrider]

+1. I own a number of weapons, and most people down here either own or have access to a firearm or 2.

Target practice? Not unless the target is alive. Why waste expensive ammunition on a pice of cardboard?

Rabbit control, goat and/or deer hunting are the most likely uses for firearms down here. Closely followed by putting down unhealthy animals. A rifle is a tool, not a toy.

Really! That explains why there are so many South Island road signs with serious bullet/shotgun wounds in them then!

Serious stuff, shooting up signs! :2guns:

[Grasshopperus]

Bullshit. You probably know many people that own them and chose not to say so.

Ah right, I think I can see where the all the hating is coming from.

You're right, I know lots of people who own them and use them just like a tool; they take them out of their racks or safes, go shoot some free meat or cull the local possum population, then put them back and cook up some steaks. They use them as a means to an end. I wouldn't say these people are 'into' guns, the same as a mechanic who uses a screwdriver to fix a bike isn't 'into' screwdrivers.

The people I'm talking about are the ones that'll chew your ear off talking about types of ammunition or go around boasting about how powerful their rifle is and what substances it'll shoot through. Some of these people don't even own a firearm, they are just infatuated with all the details.

Sincerely, the guy generalised as
{
The biggest fuckwit Grubber has ever met
A pothead piss-head who lurks in bars corrupting young girls
Queer cunt's shadow
The guy who's less responsible than someone
}

Can't we all just get along? :banana:

[Grubber]

Ah right, I think I can see where the all the hating is coming from.

You're right, I know lots of people who own them and use them just like a tool; they take them out of their racks or safes, go shoot some free meat or cull the local possum population, then put them back and cook up some steaks. They use them as a means to an end. I wouldn't say these people are 'into' guns, the same as a mechanic who uses a screwdriver to fix a bike isn't 'into' screwdrivers.

The people I'm talking about are the ones that'll chew your ear off talking about types of ammunition or go around boasting about how powerful their rifle is and what substances it'll shoot through. Some of these people don't even own a firearm, they are just infatuated with all the details.

Sincerely, the guy generalised as
{
The biggest fuckwit Grubber has ever met
A pothead piss-head who lurks in bars corrupting young girls
Queer cunt's shadow
The guy who's less responsible than someone
}

Can't we all just get along? :banana:

I very much doubt there is too many of the above persuasion.
Getting along requires some form of sensibility and i don't see any in your comments at all.
Making generalizations about my daughters that were way off the mark, makes me think you have no idea about generally fuck all.
I'm not going to waste any more time explaining to you the whys and wherefores as i doubt you would ever get it anyway.
Think the replies you have been given should be enough to get the picture.

[Grubber]

My reply, if i had the chance to give one initially, it is but another tragedy amongst the hunting fraternity that i have no doubt would not have been on purpose. There is senseless loss of life, and a lifetime of regret now to be had.
The hunter that took the shot was not unlike the rider or car driver that pushed his boundaries on a fast corner. He was probably as certain of what he was doing as he was reckless. There will always be a person of such elk in all walks of life, as sad as it is, this will always be the way.

[PrincessBandit]

I just hope this person (shooter) gets the book thrown at him and not some limp-dick slap on the wrist for what he has done.

As for those who say "he will have to live with it for the rest of his life" well, at least he has his life to continue living - not like that poor woman and her family who will now live the rest of their lives without her.

[Okey Dokey]

It still surprises me, people refer to weapons/rifles/side arms as "guns".
Jantar is the one exception here.
Clearly someone with much experience.
The word gun is infintile, and used by those that should never handle a weapon/rifle/pistol.
MHO

Post #5 by a firearm owning woman- guess you missed that, huh?

EDIT: I'm disappointed that I made such a petty post. Apologies to all for my crankiness; perhaps I needed another coffee yesterday morning...

[Grubber]

Post #5 by a firearm owning woman- guess you missed that, huh?

Oh my God....not another rampant woman with a firearm....Crisis point has hit.....what would be your demented motive for using one i wonder?:facepalm:

[ynot slow]

First thing when obtaining a firearms licence was what is main thing you do,I replied identify target.The arms officer was impressed,most he said would reply keep forearm pointed safely,load when ready to shoot,keep safety on etc.Basically he gave me the license on that answer,as to him showed as an 16yr old I was mature enough,that was 32yrs ago.

As a kid in scouts we went target shooting on the range,we had targets to hit,but also had to identify them as wild animal i.e rabbit,pig,deer or cat,dog,human,points off if wrong,and sunlight was in our eyes and had 15 mins to shoot 10 rounds,all of us hita wrong target from 50mt with .22,but mostly due to time running out,happy to say I never hit human,but as a 12 yr old was then wary of human figure(figures were sitting,crouching etc).

Think the best thing is do the basics,that is unload when travelling,barrel facing safe,never rely on safety,identify,identify target,remember target zone,better to miss than hit wrong target.And although never seen a deer when hunting,the target would have to be clear for me to fire.

[Virago]

While this is a tragic event, and the hunter should face the consequences of his stupidity, the matter needs to be kept in perspective.

It is no different to a speeding motorist hitting and killing someone. An illegal and stupid action, which results in the unintended death of another human being.

Funnily enough, when a speeding or drunk motorist kills someone, there is no hysterical demand for the removal of vehicles from society, and no queue of idiots throwing insulting generalisations at anyone who owns a vehicle. Go figure...

[ynot slow]

While this is a tragic event, and the hunter should face the consequences of his stupidity, the matter needs to be kept in perspective.

It is no different to a speeding motorist hitting and killing someone. An illegal and stupid action, which results in the unintended death of another human being.

Funnily enough, when a speeding or drunk motorist kills someone, there is no hysterical demand for the removal of vehicles from society, and no queue of idiots throwing insulting generalisations at anyone who owns a vehicle. Go figure...

Yep just because you have the required license doesn't mean you are an expert,both licenses if missused can be fatal.

[Brett]

This was not an accident, he should not get manslaughter, he should get murder 1. Any hunter who does not fully identify their target before shooting is breaking one of the cardinal rules of shooting/hunting. There is no excuse for this at all, an innocent person is dead because some dumb shit was too stupid/lazy to identify what he was shooting at. FYI - I am a keen hunter/deer stalker with quite a few guns, not some liberal lefty.

An entirely preventable incident.

[ynot slow]

This was not an accident, he should not get manslaughter, he should get murder 1. Any hunter who does not fully identify their target before shooting is breaking one of the cardinal rules of shooting/hunting. There is no excuse for this at all, an innocent person is dead because some dumb shit was too stupid/lazy to identify what he was shooting at. FYI - I am a keen hunter/deer stalker with quite a few guns, not some liberal lefty.

An entirely preventable incident.

Also agree with you,can't help these "accidents" happen at first time deer hunting experience,very rare a mature or experienced hunter committs the ultimate sin.

[Grubber]

This was not an accident, he should not get manslaughter, he should get murder 1. Any hunter who does not fully identify their target before shooting is breaking one of the cardinal rules of shooting/hunting. There is no excuse for this at all, an innocent person is dead because some dumb shit was too stupid/lazy to identify what he was shooting at. FYI - I am a keen hunter/deer stalker with quite a few guns, not some liberal lefty.

I kinda have to agree. It's never been an issue for me under the same circumstances and often scratch my head when i hear these things and wonder how it could happen.
An entirely preventable incident.


Also agree with you,can't help these "accidents" happen at first time deer hunting experience,very rare a mature or experienced hunter committs the ultimate sin.

One would think though, that being a learner you would be trying to be a safe as possible right from the start. Who friggin knows what was going on this fella's head. I can't really explain it to be honest. No clear target, no shot! Pretty simple really. Tend to let mine stand up for full identification to be fair. Also gives them a sporting chance too. Bit like the duck shooting.

[ynot slow]

That's the point think,he didn't very sad result.

Only near miss I had was 30yrs ago with a semi .22 thought I had fired 10 shots,but owner had put one up spout then added another to mag when handing to me to shoot targets,wasn't sure so when walking with mates back to hut,I said stop then fired into ground,was shaking when rifle fired,had walked about 50mts and was in front of group,but had rifle over shoulder and was safe but if I tripped who knows,afterwards thought of scenario of what ifs.Lesson learnt,remove mag and eject bolt with a semi auto,also don't add extra ammo to mag,i.e if 5 shot don't use 6 as will be loaded.

[Scuba_Steve]

Sorry thread title just made me think of this...
http://lollinks.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/political-pictures-workplace-accidents.jpg?w=492&h=405

[BoristheBiter]

That's the point think,he didn't very sad result.

Only near miss I had was 30yrs ago with a semi .22 thought I had fired 10 shots,but owner had put one up spout then added another to mag when handing to me to shoot targets,wasn't sure so when walking with mates back to hut,I said stop then fired into ground,was shaking when rifle fired,had walked about 50mts and was in front of group,but had rifle over shoulder and was safe but if I tripped who knows,afterwards thought of scenario of what ifs.Lesson learnt,remove mag and eject bolt with a semi auto,also don't add extra ammo to mag,i.e if 5 shot don't use 6 as will be loaded.

One of the 7 rules to firearems, "treat evey gun as loaded" , that Should never have happened.
Never except a loaded firearm, why fire into the ground, did you not know how to clear it?
How many mistakes were made in that one statement?

[sidecar bob]

Im at a complete loss to understand the mentality of anyone that would want to point a gun at any living creature, regardless of species.

[Delerium]

Im at a complete loss to understand the mentality of anyone that would want to point a gun at any living creature, regardless of species.

That hamburger you had last time... the cow didnt commit suicide. Hunting puts your brains against an animals cunning and senses.

[duckonin]

Im at a complete loss to understand the mentality of anyone that would want to point a gun at any living creature, regardless of species.

Take it up with Govt's around the world they have their soldiers trained to shoot at other soldiers..

Ours killed to keep u free during the 2nd WW..Do you have the mentality to understand that concept ?:innocent:

[Tink]

I would completely like to pass on my condolances too:

Her partner
Her family
Her friends
Her work colleagues
AND TO all OF HER CLASS 25-30 children, those that will never understand, those that have lost their mentor at a time of the year, when they should be celebrating the end of the year with her.

[Edbear]

I would completely like to pass on my condolances too:

Her partner
Her family
Her friends
Her work colleagues
AND TO all OF HER CLASS 25-30 children, those that will never understand, those that have lost their mentor at a time of the year, when they should be celebrating the end of the year with her.

+1........

[scumdog]

Dickheads firing at movement eh.

In my experience most people who are into guns are immature 'tards who like the powertrip of holding a dangerous weapon but then say stuff like "I just have one to practise target shooting"

Nice troll - needs to be a bit more subtle...

[scumdog]

Im at a complete loss to understand the mentality of anyone that would want to point a gun at any living creature, regardless of species.

How the hell are we going to shoot them if we don't point our guns at them:rolleyes:

[scumdog]

The people I'm talking about are the ones that'll chew your ear off talking about types of ammunition or go around boasting about how powerful their rifle is and what substances it'll shoot through. Some of these people don't even own a firearm, they are just infatuated with all the details.
:banana:

You could change the subject to motorbikes and you would get a parallel:

"the ones that chew your ear off talking about types of tyres or go around boasting about how powerful their bike is and how fast it will go. Some of those people don't even own a firearm, they are just infatuated with all the details"

There are fanatics/nuts in every sphere of interest.

[scumdog]

Sorry thread title just made me think of this...
http://lollinks.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/political-pictures-workplace-accidents.jpg?w=492&h=405

They safety is on, all sweet:niceone:

[scumdog]

I've used everything from shotguns, to handguns, to assault rifles to hunting rifles and I still call them guns.

Join the army and call your rifle a 'gun' and see the reaction..

[Gibbo89]

Maybe he thought she looked like a cougar? :facepalm:

but seriously, it's a real shame.

[munster]

Tragic. Bastards like him don't deserve to be labelled 'hunter'.

This was not an accident. This was recklessness on a grand scale.

Absolute tragedy for the victim, her family, friends, colleagues & students.

The shooter can get what he deserves. He is not a hunter and his actions reflect badly on the rest of us. I'd be very interested to see if he even had a firearms licence?

[Edbear]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10682953

[Grubber]

That hamburger you had last time... the cow didnt commit suicide. Hunting puts your brains against an animals cunning and senses.

WHAT???? So the cow was happy then. Now i'm confused. I always thought they died of old age and then we eat them....go figure!:facepalm:

[Tink]

WHAT???? So the cow was happy then. Now i'm confused. I always thought they died of old age and then we eat them....go figure!:facepalm:

yup it did, but she didn't... so hunting is out.. farming is ok!

[schrodingers cat]

How the hell are we going to shoot them if we don't point our guns at them:rolleyes:

You sooooooooooo asked for this.

You could chase them until they crash and kill themselves (and probably some kittens and ducklings too)

:innocent::innocent::innocent:

[sidecar bob]

WHAT???? So the cow was happy then. Now i'm confused. I always thought they died of old age and then we eat them....go figure!:facepalm:
Yup, all the usual braindead responses i expected. Of course i know my Big Mac had a bit of cow in it.
I just think that people that find killing something to be somehow fun or sport, just arent quite right in the head.

[BoristheBiter]

Yup, all the usual braindead responses i expected. Of course i know my Big Mac had a bit of cow in it.
I just think that people that find killing something to be somehow fun or sport, just arent quite right in the head.

So how can you comment on something you don't understand? (sorry forgot I'm on KB)
Its just the same as non bikers saying riding bikes is dumb, or people that don't fish.

what you have basicly said there is its allright to eat meat as long as you don't kill it.

[Katman]

what you have basicly said there is its allright to eat meat as long as you don't kill it.

On the flip side, I've heard plenty of stories of hunters going into the bush and shooting way more than they could ever hope to bring out.

To me, that sounds like killing for the sake of killing.

[BoristheBiter]

On the flip side, I've heard plenty of stories of hunters going into the bush and shooting way more than they could ever hope to bring out.

To me, that sounds like killing for the sake of killing.

Totaly agree, I carry out all i shoot, except possums.
but i only take the back legs off goats for the dogs, or the tails if I'm getting paid.

[scumdog]

On the flip side, I've heard plenty of stories of hunters going into the bush and shooting way more than they could ever hope to bring out.

To me, that sounds like killing for the sake of killing.

Wow, now THERE'S a surprise!


Now I feel all guilty and feel like I should sell all my guns...


(Best to leave the rabbits and possums to 1080 eh)

[Grubber]

Yup, all the usual braindead responses i expected. Of course i know my Big Mac had a bit of cow in it.
I just think that people that find killing something to be somehow fun or sport, just arent quite right in the head.

Don't even try and make assumptions about my person without having any knowledge of who i really am.
Man has been a hunter gatherer since the turn of the century and beyond, he will continue to be far and beyond yours or my existence. It is a very normal part of life to most people who have lived off the land in some form or another. To calmly state that they must be "not quite right in the head" is a load of bollocks.
If you got off your hypocritical fat arse and stopped eating the Big Mac i may have some sympathy with your argument, but i find it a little obscure to be honest.
I guess you would say that all farmers that produce stock merely for slaughter must have some major head issues as well.

God i hate fuckin greenies! They all seem to be hypocrites.:angry:

[Grubber]

yup it did, but she didn't... so hunting is out.. farming is ok!

You sound as confused as i am on this one.
It's ok to eat it as long as you don't kill it.
Now that sounds inhumane!:facepalm:

[Grubber]

To sum up a little on this one.
I don't think people who arent able to shoot/kill an animal are brain dead, but are making a choice for them selves.
Think you get my point.
It may not be for everybody, but that doesn't make it a mental issue or wrong.
In future maybe you will try not to judge others on your greenie beliefs!:yes:

[merv]

The real question is who can we trust with guns (or whatever you want to call them) because once the trigger is pulled there is no going back if a fatality results?

As others have said, same applies to the killing biker, car driver or whoever - so yes what can we do about "dumb f...s" in this country?

[Indiana_Jones]

Bugger me:facepalm:this has Auckland all over it.

Gives the rest of us firearm owning Aucklanders a bad image doesn't it lol

-Indy

[onearmedbandit]

This is a tragic event, beyond that of which I can comprehend. To be the partner trying to keep her alive, and to have to live with that forever, a nightmare you'd wish on no-one. A tragedy for her friends, her family, her colleagues, and the children she taught and mentored at her school.

However. This has happened before, and it will happen again. People can debate the why's, where's, how's until the cows come home and nothing will change. You could ban guns, and still the same thing will happen, albeit with home made crossbows etc.

Idiots are everywhere, no amount of laws or regulation will ever control that. Even without idiots, smart people still make mistakes. And one day one of those idiots or mistakes may cross your path.

All we can take from this, is live your life to the best you can. Enjoy every minute you are alive. You never know when you'll draw your last breath.

[sidecar bob]

Don't even try and make assumptions about my person without having any knowledge of who i really am.
Man has been a hunter gatherer since the turn of the century and beyond, he will continue to be far and beyond yours or my existence. It is a very normal part of life to most people who have lived off the land in some form or another. To calmly state that they must be "not quite right in the head" is a load of bollocks.
If you got off your hypocritical fat arse and stopped eating the Big Mac i may have some sympathy with your argument, but i find it a little obscure to be honest.
I guess you would say that all farmers that produce stock merely for slaughter must have some major head issues as well.

God i hate fuckin greenies! They all seem to be hypocrites.:angry:
Why the anger? it seems to be the standard response from these shoot em up types, which is a bit disconcerting really.
Im far from a greenie, & you still havent helped me to understand whats so fun about killing shit.

[imdying]

Im far from a greenie, & you still havent helped me to understand whats so fun about killing shit.Why should that bother you? You could spend hours explaining the fun of bikes to some people and they'd still not get it. Ever.

[Genie]

You could spend hours explaining the fun of bikes to some people and they'd still not get it. Ever.

Very true, each to their own, we are all different and what we love/like is very different to what Joe Blow down the road loves/likes.

Learn to appreciate our differences and have some respect for one another...

She was a beautiful young woman and this (I can't say accident for I believe it's not) tragedy could have been avoided if someone followed the rules of safety.

[Edbear]

This is a tragic event, beyond that of which I can comprehend. To be the partner trying to keep her alive, and to have to live with that forever, a nightmare you'd wish on no-one. A tragedy for her friends, her family, her colleagues, and the children she taught and mentored at her school.

However. This has happened before, and it will happen again. People can debate the why's, where's, how's until the cows come home and nothing will change. You could ban guns, and still the same thing will happen, albeit with home made crossbows etc.

Idiots are everywhere, no amount of laws or regulation will ever control that. Even without idiots, smart people still make mistakes. And one day one of those idiots or mistakes may cross your path.

All we can take from this, is live your life to the best you can. Enjoy every minute you are alive. You never know when you'll draw your last breath.

Well said.

[avgas]

It still surprises me, people refer to weapons/rifles/side arms as "guns".
Sorry I don't buy your speech for a second.
Gun is the generic term.
A rifle has rifling
Pistol, pistol grip......note that hand "gun" covers this category.
Side arms.......have a guess where they stay?


Gun can cover anything from a tiny 0.5mm concealed watch pistol, to the rolling Gustav.

When was the last time you saw a gangster with a rifle? Terrorist with side-arm?
The public will see this as simply a gun. As they don't need to learn the in's and out's.

[sidecar bob]

Why should that bother you? You could spend hours explaining the fun of bikes to some people and they'd still not get it. Ever.
Id certainly have a go at helping someone to understand my passion, however this topic just seems to evoke angry evasive responses, which truly has me fucked.

[imdying]

Id certainly have a go at helping someone to understand my passion, however this topic just seems to evoke angry evasive responses, which truly has me fucked.Yup, I'm not saying don't try, just don't be offended if they don't get it.

[Grubber]

Why the anger? it seems to be the standard response from these shoot em up types, which is a bit disconcerting really.
Im far from a greenie, & you still havent helped me to understand whats so fun about killing shit.

You got Anger from that????
A little disconcerting really and a very standard response from those greenie types.
"Shoot em up types", oh please! Get over yourself. Your not really interested in any response. all your interested in is pushing your greenie point of view at others. I can tell from your bitchy first quote.
not even bothered to go through this with you. I would for someone more genuine.

My quick answer would be...na, you have to be a hunter gatherer type to get it.....never mind.

[Grubber]

Why should that bother you? You could spend hours explaining the fun of bikes to some people and they'd still not get it. Ever.

Thats my point exactly.
This fella doesn't want you to explain anyway, he just wants to force his point of view on the rest of us. End of story!

[tri boy]

Sorry I don't buy your speech for a second.
Gun is the generic term.
A rifle has rifling
Pistol, pistol grip......note that hand "gun" covers this category.
Side arms.......have a guess where they stay?


Gun can cover anything from a tiny 0.5mm concealed watch pistol, to the rolling Gustav.

When was the last time you saw a gangster with a rifle? Terrorist with side-arm?
The public will see this as simply a gun. As they don't need to learn the in's and out's.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions on the terminology, I was just voicing mine.:yes:
It's a bloody shame that woman was shot. Some call them accidents, I do not.
Without wanting to go off topic, if someone refers to a "press" in the workplace, that could mean a book, for pressing flowers, or a 250 tonne brake press for cutting/bending metal. If someone said "rest your arm on the press", ...........
Get my angle?
Sympathies to the womans family, and friends.

[far queue]

... People can debate the why's, where's, how's until the cows come home ...Well if the cows have got a clue they won't be coming home anytime soon 'cos it sounds like their next stop will be sidecar bob's local macca's :chase:

[sidecar bob]

You got Anger from that????
A little disconcerting really and a very standard response from those greenie types.
"Shoot em up types", oh please! Get over yourself. Your not really interested in any response. all your interested in is pushing your greenie point of view at others. I can tell from your bitchy first quote.
not even bothered to go through this with you. I would for someone more genuine.

My quick answer would be...na, you have to be a hunter gatherer type to get it.....never mind.And still no explination.
Are you guys too embarresed to say what your motivation is for wanting to kill stuff?
Im not a greenie by a long shot & im not bitchy, im just fucked if i know what the buzz is & you arent helping me to get it at all.
Its always "get over yourself" "youre a hypocryte greenie" "your posts are too bitchy" Just give me a real fucking answer to a real fucking question. How fucking hard is it?
Case in point, the idiot that this thread was started about just wanted to kill whatever he saw that was moving, regardless of wether it was a deer, cow horse or pig.
As it turned out, it was a contributing member of society.
So what kind of buzz was he on to just kill some random living thing he had no idea what it was?
If it had have been an animal, what was fun about wasting it?
For crying down a bloody sink bench, can someone please fill me in here?

[Hans]

It is a very normal part of life to most people who have lived off the land in some form or another.


I respectfully disagree. I haven't shot at anything but paper for many years. I also fail to see the ''sport'' in hunting with firearms. To me that's like taking on a GN250 with a GSXR on a track. I have hunted for food a fair bit without a firearm. Yet it never occurred to me that I should see this as fun. Fun is something I don't associate with the taking of an innocent(as far as I'm concerned) life.To me it's always been something of an unpleasant occasion. And trust me, I'm no greenie.

[Hans]

Also to stay on topic a bit: Pit of death for the moron that this thread is originally about.

[far queue]

And still no explination.
Are you guys too embarresed to say what your motivation is for wanting to kill stuff?
Im not a greenie by a long shot & im not bitchy, im just fucked if i know what the buzz is & you arent helping me to get it at all.
Its always "get over yourself" "youre a hypocryte greenie" "your posts are too bitchy" Just give me a real fucking answer to a real fucking question. How fucking hard is it?Well I'm a shooter myself, of game and paper. I also participate in a number of other hobbies, interests, sports, etc. If people "get" what I do, that's fine, if they don't "get" it, that's fine too. I don't feel the need to justify or explain any of those hobbies, interests, sports, etc, to anyone.

People who lecture and demand and try to force their views upon others just come across as dicks. You're perfectly entitled to your views, and you've made them perfectly clear. It's about time you got off your soap box now though.

[far queue]

Also to stay on topic a bit: Pit of death for the moron that this thread is originally about.I agree, it's about time this thread returned to it's original topic.

My sympathies go to the innocent victim, her partner, and all those near and dear to her, but also to the family of the shooter as I'm sure life isn't too rosy for them either right now. As for the shooter - throw the book at him and lock him away for a long time.

[98tls]

Join the army and call your rifle a 'gun' and see the reaction..

Imagine joining the NZ army and not knowing the Maori word for gun:shit::shit:a reaction for sure.

[98tls]

I agree, it's about time this thread returned to it's original topic.

My sympathies go to the innocent victim, her partner, and all those near and dear to her, but also to the family of the shooter as I'm sure life isn't too rosy for them either right now. As for the shooter - throw the book at him and lock him away for a long time.

:shutup:Didnt bother reading all the posts before my last but yea,agreed.

[duckonin]

And still no explination.
Are you guys too embarresed to say what your motivation is for wanting to kill stuff?
Im not a greenie by a long shot & im not bitchy, im just fucked if i know what the buzz is & you arent helping me to get it at all.
Its always "get over yourself" "youre a hypocryte greenie" "your posts are too bitchy" Just give me a real fucking answer to a real fucking question. How fucking hard is it?
Case in point, the idiot that this thread was started about just wanted to kill whatever he saw that was moving, regardless of wether it was a deer, cow horse or pig.
As it turned out, it was a contributing member of society.
So what kind of buzz was he on to just kill some random living thing he had no idea what it was?
If it had have been an animal, what was fun about wasting it?
For crying down a bloody sink bench, can someone please fill me in here?
Nope not embarrased to say what my motivation for hunting is at all, simple really, when meat hunting it was for the $, the Govt didn't have to pay me tail rates nor a wage, these days it is to put meat on my table to enjoy, to do that I have to kill with a firearm (venison) or chase piggies with the mutts then if too big will have to be shot, no good poking a fucken stick at it....You enjoy riding your bike others get the same kick out of going into the bush for the solitude piece and quiet and maybe hopefully bring back some meat for their table...:yes: As for the dick that shot the young Lass I still shake my head with the words 'FUCK ME' what a prize cunt:gob:

[Virago]

...So what kind of buzz was he on to just kill some random living thing he had no idea what it was?
If it had have been an animal, what was fun about wasting it?
For crying down a bloody sink bench, can someone please fill me in here?

Your mistake is to use this thread, which is about a gun-toting moron, to lump all true hunters in the same basket as him - and then expect a sympathetic response.

The Hunter / Killer instinct is part of the human evolutionary psyche. A single generation of latte-sipping PC society will not undo four million years of human instinct.

Like it or not, that instinct is part of all of us. It is expressed in many strange ways in our oddly castrated society - whether that be through a constant diet of violent computer games, or a more detached and observational aggression through violent TV shows and a never-ending stream of antagonistic "humiliation and elimination" reality shows. The consumers of such modern-day outlets would no doubt consider themselves more "civilised" than hunters - I beg to differ.

There is a "thrill" associated with the hunt - and also the kill. But there is seldom "pleasure" in the kill. Most hunters will strive to cause the least amount of suffering to an animal, and will often admit to disliking that small part of the process.

By far the vast majority of hunting in NZ is for introduced "pest" animals - most notably the humble rabbit and possum. Their numbers HAVE to be controlled, and hunters know that a swift death by bullet is by far the most humane method of culling, rather than an agonised death by poisoning. Unfortunately the latte-swillers would disagree.

Most hunters are true ecologists. When hunting, they spend most of their time watching, learning, and understanding. They understand that compassion and empathy is not incompatible with hunting and killing, but instead learn to understand such conflicts as being part of our interaction with the natural world. The scorn and hatred of the hypocritical city-living "greenies" means little when you're out there.

From my perspective, a hunter really understands the value of life, and is invariably the better person for it.

You keep enjoying your burgers, secure in the knowledge that (hopefully) no-one enjoyed themselves in putting that meat before you.

As others have pointed out, it is all but impossible to put this into words - just like it's impossible to explain to a non-biker why the discomforts and risks of motorcycling are worth it. They don't understand, so they don't get it.

But we know differently - and the scorn of others means little.

[Katman]

A friend of mine was telling about an experiment that was carried out.

A large piece of plywood was placed in the bush with two marbles glued to it.

It ended up with countless bullet holes left in the plywood.

What the fuck did those people think they were shooting at?

[Grubber]

Your mistake is to use this thread, which is about a gun-toting moron, to lump all true hunters in the same basket as him - and then expect a sympathetic response.

The Hunter / Killer instinct is part of the human evolutionary psyche. A single generation of latte-sipping PC society will not undo four million years of human instinct.

Like it or not, that instinct is part of all of us. It is expressed in many strange ways in our oddly castrated society - whether that be through a constant diet of violent computer games, or a more detached and observational aggression through violent TV shows and a never-ending stream of antagonistic "humiliation and elimination" reality shows. The consumers of such modern-day outlets would no doubt consider themselves more "civilised" than hunters - I beg to differ.

There is a "thrill" associated with the hunt - and also the kill. But there is seldom "pleasure" in the kill. Most hunters will strive to cause the least amount of suffering to an animal, and will often admit to disliking that small part of the process.

By far the vast majority of hunting in NZ is for introduced "pest" animals - most notably the humble rabbit and possum. Their numbers HAVE to be controlled, and hunters know that a swift death by bullet is by far the most humane method of culling, rather than an agonised death by poisoning. Unfortunately the latte-swillers would disagree.

Most hunters are true ecologists. When hunting, they spend most of their time watching, learning, and understanding. They understand that compassion and empathy is not incompatible with hunting and killing, but instead learn to understand such conflicts as being part of our interaction with the natural world. The scorn and hatred of the hypocritical city-living "greenies" means little when you're out there.

From my perspective, a hunter really understands the value of life, and is invariably the better person for it.

You keep enjoying your burgers, secure in the knowledge that (hopefully) no-one enjoyed themselves in putting that meat before you.

As others have pointed out, it is all but impossible to put this into words - just like it's impossible to explain to a non-biker why the discomforts and risks of motorcycling are worth it. They don't understand, so they don't get it.

But we know differently - and the scorn of others means little.

Shit mate! i am lost for words. That is without a doubt the best post i have read in a long time, if not ever.
That is brilliant reading and as spot on as anyone could put it.
Well done!:first:

[98tls]

A friend of mine was telling about an experiment that was carried out.

A large piece of plywood was placed in the bush with two marbles glued to it.

It ended up with countless bullet holes left in the plywood.

What the fuck did those people think they were shooting at?

No doubt shot at by Kiwi biker members after mistaking the 2 eyes as belonging to motorcyclists that didnt bother "waving",

[98tls]

Your mistake is to use this thread, which is about a gun-toting moron, to lump all true hunters in the same basket as him - and then expect a sympathetic response.

The Hunter / Killer instinct is part of the human evolutionary psyche. A single generation of latte-sipping PC society will not undo four million years of human instinct.

Like it or not, that instinct is part of all of us. It is expressed in many strange ways in our oddly castrated society - whether that be through a constant diet of violent computer games, or a more detached and observational aggression through violent TV shows and a never-ending stream of antagonistic "humiliation and elimination" reality shows. The consumers of such modern-day outlets would no doubt consider themselves more "civilised" than hunters - I beg to differ.

There is a "thrill" associated with the hunt - and also the kill. But there is seldom "pleasure" in the kill. Most hunters will strive to cause the least amount of suffering to an animal, and will often admit to disliking that small part of the process.

By far the vast majority of hunting in NZ is for introduced "pest" animals - most notably the humble rabbit and possum. Their numbers HAVE to be controlled, and hunters know that a swift death by bullet is by far the most humane method of culling, rather than an agonised death by poisoning. Unfortunately the latte-swillers would disagree.

Most hunters are true ecologists. When hunting, they spend most of their time watching, learning, and understanding. They understand that compassion and empathy is not incompatible with hunting and killing, but instead learn to understand such conflicts as being part of our interaction with the natural world. The scorn and hatred of the hypocritical city-living "greenies" means little when you're out there.

From my perspective, a hunter really understands the value of life, and is invariably the better person for it.

You keep enjoying your burgers, secure in the knowledge that (hopefully) no-one enjoyed themselves in putting that meat before you.

As others have pointed out, it is all but impossible to put this into words - just like it's impossible to explain to a non-biker why the discomforts and risks of motorcycling are worth it. They don't understand, so they don't get it.

But we know differently - and the scorn of others means little.

:shit:Jesus H,as an annoying prick as ive found you at times (no doubt worked both ways) i have to applaud that,no doubt you didnt create that youself:innocent:but hey,credit for posting it.

[Grubber]

I respectfully disagree. I haven't shot at anything but paper for many years. I also fail to see the ''sport'' in hunting with firearms. To me that's like taking on a GN250 with a GSXR on a track. I have hunted for food a fair bit without a firearm. Yet it never occurred to me that I should see this as fun. Fun is something I don't associate with the taking of an innocent(as far as I'm concerned) life.To me it's always been something of an unpleasant occasion. And trust me, I'm no greenie.

I don't understand sitting in front of a TV playing video games for hours on end either but i don't force that opinion on others.
Not sure if i would ever call hunting a sport as such but more of a game of odds and stealth. Not sure any true hunter would particularly take any great buzz in the kill but more the chase.
Anyway i doubt someone like yourself will ever get it cause your from more the other side of the fence. You don't mind eating it as long as you have no idea where it came from.

[Virago]

:shit:Jesus H,as an annoying prick as ive found you at times (no doubt worked both ways) i have to applaud that,no doubt you didnt create that youself:innocent:but hey,credit for posting it.

If you can find it elsewhere, let me know - I'll hunt the plagiarising bastards down and shoot 'em...

[bikemike]

Katman opened with 'Dumb Fucks With Guns'.
Grasshopper lobbed in "people who are into guns are immature 'tards..."

How can we disagree with that?

How also can we disagree with Virago at post #108, backing up both points clearly and eloquently in my mind - vis (from words anyhow) whom I'd be happy seeing at the non pointy end.

Read the Invisible Gorilla (http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/book/9780007317295/The-Invisible-Gorilla) to find out how even you could be confused as to whether something was a possum or a deer.
Those that can't recognise the flaw in our nature, and also the need to skip a shot (like missing an overtake) shouldn't own a weapon/motorcycle.

Them should stick to spearing elk.

[tri boy]

So the muppet that raved to me about the best spots for pig hunting in Te Akau, (while clumsly hiding his pot pipe from me n kanny) is a typical hunter?
He was decked out in camo gear, while white baiting.:facepalm:
No shit. Ask Kanny. She is as honest as all hell.

Word is the muppet was spot lighting from near a main rd, illegally on Doc land.
Guess he can't be classed as a hunter, as they never cross fences into private land/out of bound areas.........................

[Hans]

I don't understand sitting in front of a TV playing video games for hours on end either but i don't force that opinion on others.
Not sure if i would ever call hunting a sport as such but more of a game of odds and stealth. Not sure any true hunter would particularly take any great buzz in the kill but more the chase.
Anyway i doubt someone like yourself will ever get it cause your from more the other side of the fence. You don't mind eating it as long as you have no idea where it came from.

Easy Tiger...

I am starting to take offence with your tone. Which opinion have I forced upon others? How would you know what side of the fence I'm on? And what would you know if I eat "it" at all. Maybe because I do know where "it" comes from.
Oh, and I do get it. Because I've done it. I just chose not to do it anymore, unless circumstances dictate. I've hunted all sorts of game...

[Grubber]

If you can find it elsewhere, let me know - I'll hunt the plagiarising bastards down and shoot 'em...

Hahaha, now that was good!:yes:

[Grubber]

So the muppet that raved to me about the best spots for pig hunting in Te Akau, (while clumsly hiding his pot pipe from me n kanny) is a typical hunter?
He was decked out in camo gear, while white baiting.:facepalm:
No shit. Ask Kanny. She is as honest as all hell.

Word is the muppet was spot lighting from near a main rd, illegally on Doc land.
Guess he can't be classed as a hunter, as they never cross fences into private land/out of bound areas.........................

That is correct sir, he is not a hunter! he is as you so rightly put it, A MORON. Whoops sorry, A MUPPET.

[Grubber]

Easy Tiger...

I am starting to take offence with your tone. Which opinion have I forced upon others? How would you know what side of the fence I'm on? And what would you know if I eat "it" at all. Maybe because I do know where "it" comes from.
Oh, and I do get it. Because I've done it. I just chose not to do it anymore, unless circumstances dictate. I've hunted all sorts of game...

No tone there Tiger. Just a statement. Question...why did you do it before and why don't you now?
You are obviously on the opposite of the fence to me...otherwise i would think we would be agreeing in some form or another.
To be more specific...the opinion i speak of is the previous poster who seems to think that anyone who is remotely involved with hunting of any kind has some serious head problems.
All seriousness, if he met me anywhere he would never know what i did for a pastime. He would see i ride a bike just as he does. Sad really.
I am certainly far from some form of mental case and i take exception to those whose opinions that are different to mine forcing that as an option simply because i chose a different path in life.

[sidecar bob]

Your mistake is to use this thread, which is about a gun-toting moron, to lump all true hunters in the same basket as him - and then expect a sympathetic response.


I doubt I lumped all hunters into one basket, I mereley asked a question in a place where i thought there would be plenty of kind folk to fill me in on what has long been one of lifes great mysteries to me.
All I got for the most part, was angry defensive put downs & lumped in with a bunch of greenies just because i have an aversion to killing stuff.
Just because somebody dosent cherish the thought of blowing holes in living stuff does not automatically make them a greenie.
At least one kind gentleman took the time to give a honest calm, non hysterical & informative answer, which has gone some way to helping me "get it" thankyou Mr Duckonin.

[Hans]

No tone there Tiger. Just a statement. Question...why did you do it before and why don't you now?
You are obviously on the opposite of the fence to me...otherwise i would think we would be agreeing in some form or another.


I wouldn't say I'm in direct opposition to you either. I just don't see hunting with a firearm as "sport". I fully understand the thrill of the hunt... And the way it ties in with hunting "accidents".

As to why I did it then and don't now:

I hunted then because it was part of what I did and what I wanted to learn and learn about. I've never hunted with a firearm and never will, unless it really becomes necessary for the survival of me and mine.

I don't hunt now, because I cannot justify it to myself in my current situation.

Notice that I've never said that others shouldn't hunt or enjoy hunting. If they don't have a problem justifying it to themselves or they don't even think about it in those terms (am I justified in doing this) then it's their call.

[Delerium]

Why the anger? it seems to be the standard response from these shoot em up types, which is a bit disconcerting really.
Im far from a greenie, & you still havent helped me to understand whats so fun about killing shit.

becuase your attitude of superiority about something you dont understand and are argueably slightly hypocratic, pisses people off.

[Delerium]

And still no explination.
Are you guys too embarresed to say what your motivation is for wanting to kill stuff?
Im not a greenie by a long shot & im not bitchy, im just fucked if i know what the buzz is & you arent helping me to get it at all.
Its always "get over yourself" "youre a hypocryte greenie" "your posts are too bitchy" Just give me a real fucking answer to a real fucking question. How fucking hard is it?
Case in point, the idiot that this thread was started about just wanted to kill whatever he saw that was moving, regardless of wether it was a deer, cow horse or pig.
As it turned out, it was a contributing member of society.
So what kind of buzz was he on to just kill some random living thing he had no idea what it was?
If it had have been an animal, what was fun about wasting it?
For crying down a bloody sink bench, can someone please fill me in here?

I had a motorcyclist cut me off once. I dont understand them, bloody hoons, have no place in society, lets ban all motor bikes.

Your attitude is the problem. Dont try and enforce your values on me, its not wanted. Dont stereotype me when you dont know me, its not wanted. Meat does not come in white packets from the supermarket. Hunters work hard to get their meat and show a bit more resepect than joe bloggs who says they are cruel and unnecessary while munching on his cow that has been bread to die. you cant take the moral high ground.

[Katman]

Interesting to note that all the great white hunters are conveniently ignoring post #109.

[Delerium]

A friend of mine was telling about an experiment that was carried out.

A large piece of plywood was placed in the bush with two marbles glued to it.

It ended up with countless bullet holes left in the plywood.

What the fuck did those people think they were shooting at?

Ill bite, perhaps a convenient piece of wood to sight in their rifle before a hunt? or something to plink at before leaving? I wonder If I can hit the marble?

[98tls]

Interesting to note that all the great white hunters are conveniently ignoring post #109.

Huntings one thing,reading however..........:facepalm:

[Katman]

Ill bite, perhaps a convenient piece of wood to sight in their rifle before a hunt? or something to plink at before leaving? I wonder If I can hit the marble?

You're clutching at straws.

[Hans]

You're clutching at straws.

I believe he is.

[98tls]

After 128 posts :facepalm:the answers simple really,dont give North Islanders guns (theres that word again:angry:),jesus have we learnt nothing since giving them 4wds.:facepalm:

[jonbuoy]

Your mistake is to use this thread, which is about a gun-toting moron, to lump all true hunters in the same basket as him - and then expect a sympathetic response.

The Hunter / Killer instinct is part of the human evolutionary psyche. A single generation of latte-sipping PC society will not undo four million years of human instinct.

Like it or not, that instinct is part of all of us. It is expressed in many strange ways in our oddly castrated society - whether that be through a constant diet of violent computer games, or a more detached and observational aggression through violent TV shows and a never-ending stream of antagonistic "humiliation and elimination" reality shows. The consumers of such modern-day outlets would no doubt consider themselves more "civilised" than hunters - I beg to differ.

There is a "thrill" associated with the hunt - and also the kill. But there is seldom "pleasure" in the kill. Most hunters will strive to cause the least amount of suffering to an animal, and will often admit to disliking that small part of the process.

By far the vast majority of hunting in NZ is for introduced "pest" animals - most notably the humble rabbit and possum. Their numbers HAVE to be controlled, and hunters know that a swift death by bullet is by far the most humane method of culling, rather than an agonised death by poisoning. Unfortunately the latte-swillers would disagree.

Most hunters are true ecologists. When hunting, they spend most of their time watching, learning, and understanding. They understand that compassion and empathy is not incompatible with hunting and killing, but instead learn to understand such conflicts as being part of our interaction with the natural world. The scorn and hatred of the hypocritical city-living "greenies" means little when you're out there.

From my perspective, a hunter really understands the value of life, and is invariably the better person for it.

You keep enjoying your burgers, secure in the knowledge that (hopefully) no-one enjoyed themselves in putting that meat before you.

As others have pointed out, it is all but impossible to put this into words - just like it's impossible to explain to a non-biker why the discomforts and risks of motorcycling are worth it. They don't understand, so they don't get it.

But we know differently - and the scorn of others means little.

Wow thats deep, but how hard is it REALLY to make sure its not a human your shooting? Its not life and death or survival for the hunter only the hunted.

[sidecar bob]

becuase your attitude of superiority about something you dont understand and are argueably slightly hypocratic, pisses people off.

Yep, i didnt understand it, & if you read the rest of my stuff, i was begging for someone to help me understand. Apparently i just looked like a soap boxing greenie, from people that are behaving suspiciously like their brother & their father are the same person.

[Grubber]

Katman opened with 'Dumb Fucks With Guns'.
Grasshopper lobbed in "people who are into guns are immature 'tards..."

How can we disagree with that?

How also can we disagree with Virago at post #108, backing up both points clearly and eloquently in my mind - vis (from words anyhow) whom I'd be happy seeing at the non pointy end.

Read the Invisible Gorilla (http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/book/9780007317295/The-Invisible-Gorilla) to find out how even you could be confused as to whether something was a possum or a deer.
Those that can't recognise the flaw in our nature, and also the need to skip a shot (like missing an overtake) shouldn't own a weapon/motorcycle.

Them should stick to spearing elk.

Well said. I have had a read of the Invisible Gorilla, it's actually quite a good read.
I have one, ok maybe 2 points.
"Dumb fucks with Guns" i would agree with to the point that maybe it should be "some Dumb Fucks with Guns". All gun owners are not dumb fucks.
2nd. 'people who own guns are immature tards". Huge generalization. 90% of people that own firearms are very responsible people.
As in the motorcycle fraternity, there is always a small percentage that let the side down badly.
This idiot in the weekend was one of those 10 times over.

[Grubber]

Wow thats deep, but how hard is it REALLY to make sure its not a human your shooting? Its not life and death or survival for the hunter only the hunted.

It's not hard at all. Been hunting for nearly 35 years and i have never had even a single doubt as to what i was aiming at. I don't get that bit either. I guess i just make so absolutely sure each time it becomes very natural. No, i still have no idea???

[Grubber]

Interesting to note that all the great white hunters are conveniently ignoring post #109.

As a hunter shooter i didn't see anything worth commenting on.
I have often found something target orientated in the bush or paddock to set a target with or just merely empty a couple of innocent rounds into, just to see if i can "hit the eye' as in bulls eye. Not much more to it than that really.
But you can go assume your worst if you want!

[nodrog]

I had a motorcyclist cut me off once. I dont understand them, bloody hoons, have no place in society, lets ban all motor bikes.

Your attitude is the problem. Dont try and enforce your values on me, its not wanted. Dont stereotype me when you dont know me, its not wanted. Meat does not come in white packets from the supermarket. Hunters work hard to get their meat and show a bit more resepect than joe bloggs who says they are cruel and unnecessary while munching on his cow that has been bread to die. you cant take the moral high ground.

Have you got shell shock? Or maybe you have burnt retinas from years of spotlighting for campers? All sidecarbob has asked is, can somebody explain to him what the attraction to hunting is.

You are stereotyping yourself with your own ramblings about where meat comes from.

Fanny

[sidecar bob]

Have you got shell shock? Or maybe you have burnt retinas from years of spotlighting for campers? All sidecarbob has asked is, can somebody explain to him what the attraction to hunting is.

You are stereotyping yourself with your own ramblings about where meat comes from.

Fanny

Thankyou fanny.
If someone asked me what the buzz is about sidecar racing, id probably fill 109 posts myself with anecdotes about the thrill of it all, rather than explain that bolts & nuts come in plastic bags & steel comes from ore & the wheels are specially made & suggest that people are stupid for not knowing that.

[Grubber]

Have you got shell shock? Or maybe you have burnt retinas from years of spotlighting for campers? All sidecarbob has asked is, can somebody explain to him what the attraction to hunting is.

You are stereotyping yourself with your own ramblings about where meat comes from.

Fanny

Oh please, stereotyping???you have just done that yourself with the 'spotlighting for campers' statement. And you ask why most of us can't be bothered with reply's when we get bullshit like that rammed down our throats.
He was never simply asking a question!
What ever the attraction may be, it will never satisfy the "hunting is for head cases" brigade.

[SMOKEU]

All sidecarbob has asked is, can somebody explain to him what the attraction to hunting is.



The thrill of the kill.

[Katman]

"Dumb fucks with Guns" i would agree with to the point that maybe it should be "some Dumb Fucks with Guns". All gun owners are not dumb fucks.


Although I haven't the slightest interest in hunting the thread title was never intended to suggest that all gun owners are dumb fucks.

The thread is about when dumb fucks go loose with guns.

Anyone remember the snippet on the news a while ago of the duck shooters going nuts while on the piss?

[nodrog]

Oh please, stereotyping???you have just done that yourself with the 'spotlighting for campers' statement. And you ask why most of us can't be bothered with reply's when we get bullshit like that rammed down our throats.
He was never simply asking a question!
What ever the attraction may be, it will never satisfy the "hunting is for head cases" brigade.

Yes you are correct, I was stereotyping, and yet again your answer confirms why.

I'll give an honest answer.

I grew up hunting waterfowl in the wetlands, I dislike the taste and never ate it, but continued to shoot them. What was the attraction? Because it was fun, end of story.

Fanny

[duckonin]

Although I haven't the slightest interest in hunting the thread title was never intended to suggest that all gun owners are dumb fucks.

The thread is about when dumb fucks go loose with guns.

Anyone remember the snippet on the news a while ago of the duck shooters going nuts while on the piss?

Trying to go off on another litle tangent are we Katman ? (duck shooters), we still havn't killed the 'dumb fuck' off yet!!:innocent:

[Grubber]

Yes you are correct, I was stereotyping, and yet again your answer confirms why.

I'll give an honest answer.

I grew up hunting waterfowl in the wetlands, I dislike the taste and never ate it, but continued to shoot them. What was the attraction? Because it was fun, end of story.

Fanny

When someone walks up to me and says 'So you enjoy hunting? What do you like about your hunting, the outdoors or the stalking part or..." and sounds like they actually interested rather than judgmental, i may take the time to be bothered.
If they come at me with the "hunters are all head cases" shit then i can't be bothered.
Go analyse that answer!

[nodrog]

When someone walks up to me and says 'So you enjoy hunting? What do you like about your hunting, the outdoors or the stalking part or..." and sounds like they actually interested rather than judgmental, i may take the time to be bothered.
If they come at me with the "hunters are all head cases" shit then i can't be bothered.
Go analyse that answer!

Even like you sound like a bit of a headcase, I would like to know what you enjoy about hunting, and I think Bob would too.

Fanny

[Delerium]

When someone walks up to me and says 'So you enjoy hunting? What do you like about your hunting, the outdoors or the stalking part or..." and sounds like they actually interested rather than judgmental, i may take the time to be bothered.
If they come at me with the "hunters are all head cases" shit then i can't be bothered.
Go analyse that answer!

And there it is!!!:yes:

People got annoyed becuase I gave them a terse reply. Ohhhhh diddums. Dont ask a a question in a provocative fashion and dont call hunters head cases and you might actually get a more sincere answer.

[Delerium]

Even like you sound like a bit of a headcase, I would like to know what you enjoy about hunting, and I think Bob would too.

Fanny

I like being outdoors, I like putting my smarts against an animals senses. I like the satisfaction of knowing I went out and worked to get my meal instead of relying on somthing that was bred to die. I liek exploring the bush and learning about my quarry.

[Delerium]

Have you got shell shock? Or maybe you have burnt retinas from years of spotlighting for campers? All sidecarbob has asked is, can somebody explain to him what the attraction to hunting is.

You are stereotyping yourself with your own ramblings about where meat comes from.

Fanny

And where HELL do you get off insinuating that I have homicidal tendancies!:angry:

[nodrog]

I like being outdoors, I like putting my smarts against an animals senses. I like the satisfaction of knowing I went out and worked to get my meal instead of relying on somthing that was bred to die. I liek exploring the bush and learning about my quarry.

There, that wasnt so hard was it?


And where HELL do you get off insinuating that I have homicidal tendancies!:angry:

Sorry, please dont shoot me :shutup:

Fanny

[Usarka]

Men like to hunt. If you don't then you a girl. :shutup:

[imdying]

And still no explination.My bad.

what your motivation is for wanting to kill stuff?It's fun to shoot something that is trying to run away.


So what kind of buzz was he on to just kill some random living thing he had no idea what it was?It's quite simple; he didn't respect his prey. If he did, he would have wanted to kill it, not risk maiming it, and to do that requires taking aim only at parts of the animal that will ensure death.

He wasn't a hunter, he was a murderer, and he murdered that woman. End of story.

[Delerium]

There, that wasnt so hard was it?



Sorry, please dont shoot me :shutup:

Fanny

Oxygen thief.

[ellipsis]

what about dumb fucks on bikes, dumb fucks in cars, dumb fucks with knives...face it, there's dumb fucks everywhere! Probably a couple of dumb fucks will read this....

....although we have always been blessed through all of history with dumb fucks...there seems to be a new breed of non listening...non rule following ...non thinking ....dumb fucks ,in all walks of life....bring back the birch...an early skirmish in childrens formative years ,with having to live with the consequences of not following the rules would sort out a lot of the shit...

.I remember a lad coming to our place in the sixties and walking in to our house with a loaded rifle after a bunny shoot....he got a kicking from my mum ..my dad and his good mate my older brother....bet he never did it again....

[Grubber]

Even like you sound like a bit of a headcase, I would like to know what you enjoy about hunting, and I think Bob would too.

Fanny

And there you go again with the 'sound like a bit of a headcase' slant.
If you have judged me on what i have written so far, then clinical psychologist you are not!
And still you wonder why i would bother.
Be careful how you judge. You wouldn't have a clue what makes me tick.
But hey, you go right ahead and make your own assumptions. I've just made a few of my own now!

[nodrog]

Oxygen thief.

Sut djavlepik i helvede din bossedvarg

Fanny

[Grubber]

Oxygen thief.

Bugger, i can't bling you anymore.

[onearmedbandit]

<img src="http://files.sharenator.com/awesome_RE_Life_Hacks_and_Infos-s350x350-89575.jpg"/>

[onearmedbandit]

It would make hunting more of a sport anyway.

<img src="http://www.usacarry.com/forums/members/2nd_amendment_knight-albums-funny-gun-pics-picture1231-gun3zg2.jpg"/>

[nodrog]

It would make hunting more of a sport anyway.

I think they moderate themselves pretty good as it is.

http://www.thiirteen.com/istock/wp-content/gallery/images/ist2_8992103-dumb-hunter-looks-down-barrel.jpg

Fanny

[Delerium]

You're clutching at straws.

Really? prove it. Fact is you cant, just as I cant prove the explanations listed. You werent there, it wasnt a scientific experiment, and nobody asked those that supposedly shot the piece of wood why they did it.

[BoristheBiter]

Sut djavlepik i helvede din bossedvarg

Fanny

do you feel good about yourself being able to abuse someone in a diferent language?
If so puede que las pulgas de mil camellos infestan la vagina.

[merv]

I like being outdoors, I like putting my smarts against an animals senses.

Smarts, don't you mean putting your bullets against their senses?

Something akin to if they'd let special people like Rossi race his 800 in the 125 class just to show who's boss. Equal contest - yeah right!!

See post #157 above.

[sidecar bob]

When someone walks up to me and says 'So you enjoy hunting? What do you like about your hunting, the outdoors or the stalking part or..." and sounds like they actually interested rather than judgm
If they come at me with the "hunters are all head cases" shit then i can't be bothered.
Go analyse that answer!
And how many times do you suppose a discussion about passengering a racing sidecar starts with "youre a bloody head case, W.T.F would you want to do that for"?
Virtually every time. Still I am happy to chat about it aimably.

[nodrog]

do you feel good about yourself being able to abuse someone in a diferent language?
If so puede que las pulgas de mil camellos infestan la vagina.

Thats rigtig flink til en beskidt gris.

Fanny

[BoristheBiter]

Thats rigtig flink til en beskidt gris.

Fanny

Nu-i rău pentru o curvă put

[imdying]

Virtually every time. Still I am happy to chat about it aimably.Yeah, but when I come and say, "Man, you are the craziest pricks in this paddock", I'm saying it with a smile as a mark of respect.

[Delerium]

Smarts, don't you mean putting your bullets against their senses?

Something akin to if they'd let special people like Rossi race his 800 in the 125 class just to show who's boss. Equal contest - yeah right!!

See post #157 above.

No I dont, you first need to find the animals, and then stalk them. Would you prefer the fair contest of the animal that is bred to die? They have a much better chance of living don't they?

The above analogy is pointless. Oh whats that, your not a vegetarian, so you cant take the moral high ground. oh ok.

[Delerium]

Yeah, but when I come and say, "Man, you are the craziest pricks in this paddock", I'm saying it with a smile as a mark of respect.

And thats the difference, saying it out of jest or spite makes the world of difference.

[Grubber]

Im at a complete loss to understand the mentality of anyone that would want to point a gun at any living creature, regardless of species.

There's that "mentality" thing again.


I just think that people that find killing something to be somehow fun or sport, just arent quite right in the head.

"just aren't quite right in the head" You aren't here to learn any fuckin thing at all. You have already made your assumptions right there.


And how many times do you suppose a discussion about passengering a racing sidecar starts with "youre a bloody head case, W.T.F would you want to do that for"?
Virtually every time. Still I am happy to chat about it aimably.

I think you will find that analogy would be meant in a slightly different term. As in "you would have to be mad to do something as scary as that". A completely different head to the one you are inferring.
I actually admire that sort of mad, means you got some major balls.
In the hunting saga you refer to the analogy you refer to is completely different.
read the first couple of quotes above, just in case you have forgotten what you said and then tell me that you haven't already made up your mind.
By the way, what does "AIMABLY" mean???

[onearmedbandit]

And thats the difference, saying it out of jest or spite makes the world of difference.



Nah how we react is the difference.

[Grubber]

No I dont, you first need to find the animals, and then stalk them. Would you prefer the fair contest of the animal that is bred to die? They have a much better chance of living don't they?

The above analogy is pointless. Oh whats that, your not a vegetarian, so you cant take the moral high ground. oh ok.


And thats the difference, saying it out of jest or spite makes the world of difference.

Bling,Bling. You must have been writing this as i was writing that.
Moving on to another thread soon. This has got a bit pointless now. You know,,brick wall etc.:facepalm:

[Grubber]

Nah how we react is the difference.

Disagree. That terminology is for those that deliver the criticism to make them feel better.
If you say something in jest and it is with a soulful tone, it will be taken in jest and people will listen. If you want a scrap, just raise your voice and you will get required reaction due to the tone it is delivered at. It's a human instinct.
I you wish to NOT react then you display a certain lack of emotion and you walk away. Nothing achieved!

[onearmedbandit]

Disagree. That terminology is for those that deliver the criticism to make them feel better.
If you say something in jest and it is with a soulful tone, it will be taken in jest and people will listen. If you want a scrap, just raise your voice and you will get required reaction due to the tone it is delivered at. It's a human instinct.
I you wish to NOT react then you display a certain lack of emotion and you walk away. Nothing achieved!

You miss my point completely. My point is, no matter who you are in life, no matter what you do, what you believe in, what you practice, there will always be someone who disagrees with it, and who challenges you on it. This you can't change. What you can change however is how you react to it.

So for you hunters here who have got upset about what SCB has said, you've only got yourselves to blame for getting wound up.

[Delerium]

You miss my point completely. My point is, no matter who you are in life, no matter what you do, what you believe in, what you practice, there will always be someone who disagrees with it, and who challenges you on it. This you can't change. What you can change however is how you react to it.

So for you hunters here who have got upset about what SCB has said, you've only got yourselves to blame for getting wound up.

But what about all the bikers that got wound up about what the govt said about bikers and then started to make changes to the ACC levy? I agree with the sentiment of what your saying ... to an extent.

[nodrog]

.....So for you hunters here who have got upset about what SCB has said, you've only got yourselves to blame for getting wound up.

I think we should stop upsetting them. I mean they are already getting all defensive over a couple of questions, and look at what happens when they dont like the way you brush your teeth.

Fanny

[onearmedbandit]

But what about all the bikers that got wound up about what the govt said about bikers and then started to make changes to the ACC levy? I agree with the sentiment of what your saying ... to an extent.

What about getting wound up by the atrocities committed by governments to innocent victims of oppression throughout modern history.

Sorry are we comparing apples with apples or fucking someone making comments about the actions of hunting supporters and a government raising ACC levies?

Honestly man, if you need me to explain the difference then I'm already wasting my time.

Just in case you think I'm on the 'anti-gun' side of the fence I'm not. I'm all about people enjoying themselves in any way, as long as it harms no one else or their property.

[Grubber]

I think we should stop upsetting them. I mean they are already getting all defensive over a couple of questions, and look at what happens when they dont like the way you brush your teeth.

Fanny

Think your so called sense of humor is extremely sick!
If ya got nothing worthwhile to say, don't bother saying anything at all.:shutup:

[nodrog]

......If ya got nothing worthwhile to say, don't bother saying anything at all.:shutup:

Yet its ok for you to waffle on for about half a terabyte and still not have answered the question asked of you?

Fanny

[Grubber]

You miss my point completely. My point is, no matter who you are in life, no matter what you do, what you believe in, what you practice, there will always be someone who disagrees with it, and who challenges you on it. This you can't change. What you can change however is how you react to it.

So for you hunters here who have got upset about what SCB has said, you've only got yourselves to blame for getting wound up.

Excuse me. We didn't bring it up and if we did, it would be in a more amicable manor.
I agree with the rest of what you have said. My problem is being labeled a nut job because of what i happen to like or believe in.I don't make reference to anyone as a head case if i don't happen to agree with them or dislike there passions in life.
That simple really.
The old saying of the reactionary being at fault for the way he/she reacted is bolony.
Don't say shitty stuff and we should all get along nicely.
It's that first crappy statement that starts the ball rolling. To not react to it means you simply have no feeling towards it.

[onearmedbandit]

It's that first crappy statement that starts the ball rolling.

Of course it is. Thankfully most people also understand this, myself included, and respect it as well. However there will always be those that don't.

So whatcha gonna do about that? Like I said, it is up to you.


To not react to it means you simply have no feeling towards it.

No it means you have better self control.

[Grubber]

Of course it is. Thankfully most people also understand this, myself included, and respect it as well. However there will always be those that don't.

So whatcha gonna do about that? Like I said, it is up to you.

I will have my turn at the dock and say my piece also. It's called a democracy.

No it means you have better self control.

Self control is the ability to NOT smack a moron in the chops.
Verbal discussion can be conducted without doing that quite easily.
To walk away from a simple verbal discussion is to show very little interest, to walk away from loosing control and hitting someone is self control.
And before you disagree with that, I'm walking away.:bye:

[onearmedbandit]

<img src="http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/1/25/129089354799505521.jpg"/>

[Grubber]

<img src="http://images.cheezburger.com/completestore/2010/1/25/129089354799505521.jpg"/>

Na....i'm just showing self control!:innocent:

[imdying]

Pffft, I've got ya covered on this one

<img src="http://mishkanyc.com/bloglin/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/bro_guns.jpg" style="border:50px solid pink" />

[rickstv]

A friend of mine was telling about an experiment that was carried out.

A large piece of plywood was placed in the bush with two marbles glued to it.

It ended up with countless bullet holes left in the plywood.

What the fuck did those people think they were shooting at?

I read somewhere once that the human brain can be tricked into seeing something that it wants to see. this guy probably saw the type of animal he was hunting.

Who knows, he may have identified the target beyond doubt in his own mind.

This is not the first time and it won't be the last of this type of killing.

Rick.

[Usarka]

That experiment is bullshit. The hunters could just have well shot it because it was a piece of plywood in the middle of the bush with marbles for eyes. Fuck, I'd be tempted to shoot that thing if I saw it in the middle of the bush (after properly identifying it as a plywood "fake animal" of course).


Just like they shoot the speeding signs that say "It's not a target" :lol: I doubt anyone thought they were shooting a deer on stilts.

[onearmedbandit]

Pffft, I've got ya covered on this one



Hey when did you take up guitar?

[Katman]

na, you have to be a hunter gatherer type to get it

The 'hunter gatherer' thing I can understand.

It's when killing something is seen as sport that it starts getting just a little fucked in the head.

But hey, that's just my opinion. :innocent:

[scumdog]

The 'hunter gatherer' thing I can understand.

It's when killing something is seen as sport that it starts getting just a little fucked in the head.

But hey, that's just my opinion. :innocent:

How about killing pests and enjoying it?

(No, not certain KBers..:innocent:)

[BoristheBiter]

The 'hunter gatherer' thing I can understand.

It's when killing something is seen as sport that it starts getting just a little fucked in the head.

But hey, that's just my opinion. :innocent:

And sometimes one should keeps ones opinions to themselves.

[merv]

The boys with guns posting above, except scummy, are sounding a bit touchy. I hope that doesn't mean your just as trrrrrrigggggerrr happy when you get spooked?

[Kickaha]

Yeah, but when I come and say, "Man, you are the craziest pricks in this paddock", I'm saying it with a smile as a mark of respect.

We'll line you up a ride


Pffft, I've got ya covered on this one

You've lost a lot of weight since that was taken


How about killing pests and enjoying it?
(No, not certain KBers..:innocent:)

I used to quite enjoy spotlighting for rabbits and possums, although we also used to eat a few rabbits as well

Rabbit wrapped in tinfoil and baked in butter and stuff mmmmmmmmmm:drool:

[doc]

The 'hunter gatherer' thing I can understand.

It's when killing something is seen as sport that it starts getting just a little fucked in the head.

But hey, that's just my opinion. :innocent:

Hunting is for the men, girls do the gathering.

[Grubber]

The 'hunter gatherer' thing I can understand.

It's when killing something is seen as sport that it starts getting just a little fucked in the head.

But hey, that's just my opinion. :innocent:

Think it comes under the banner of "hunting and fishing" not sport. Don't think you sort of get a prize for winning as such. More recreation maybe, or not. Got a category of it's own i think.
Either way i wouldn't get so carried away as to use the "head case" statement.

[The Pastor]

Its a stretch to call spotlighting hunting.

It's poaching, fully illegal - Very widespread.

The only thing that needs to change is the laws to be enforced, but it wont happen.

This dickhead will get what he deserves tho, a moments carelessness has wrecked so many lifes, including his own.

I think all the people in the truck will be charged with something. IMO they are all equally at fault. and should (and will i think) get the book thrown at em.

[munster]

Fuck me this thread is waaaaaaay off topic.

A woman died.

Respect please.

If you want to have a hunter vs non-hunter argument, start another thread.

and for the record I am a hunter and will not justify myself to anyone, I don't need to.

[piston broke]

Think it comes under the banner of "hunting and fishing" not sport. Don't think you sort of get a prize for winning as such.

sorry gotta call b.s .
i've seen many a prize dished out for pig,deer,possom and rabbit.fish as well tho.
p.s i have shot many a possum,as they are a pest,and lotsa rabbits and goats for dog food

[marie_speeds]

Hunting is for the men, girls do the gathering.

Do we need white sheets at the gathering?

[Hans]

Hunting is for the men, girls do the gathering.


Wrong. Womenfolk can do the hunting when the men go to war - the real man's sport.

[Katman]

Wrong. Womenfolk can do the hunting when the men go to war - the real man's sport.

Don't be crazy. It's not sport when they shoot back.

That's just hard work.

[Hans]

Don't be crazy. It's not sport when they shoot back.

That's just hard work.


But it's a great tradition to pass onto your kids... Right?

[Katman]

But it's a great tradition to pass onto your kids... Right?

Well that depends. If a child is given a good grounding in the art of pulling wings off flies, pulling legs off spiders, blowing frogs up with a straw and seeing how high a guinea pig bounces when you throw it in the air, they may well be destined for killing greatness.

[Hans]

Well that depends. If a child is given a good grounding in the art of pulling wings off flies, pulling legs off spiders, blowing frogs up with a straw and seeing how high a guinea pig bounces when you throw it in the air, they may well be destined for killing greatness.


Sorry for the complete OT, but funnily enough none of the people I know that went to war and enjoyed it would have ever done what you've just written about. Strange, a?

[Katman]

Sorry for the complete OT, but funnily enough none of the people I know that went to war and enjoyed it would have ever done what you've just written about. Strange, a?

You know people who went to war and enjoyed it? :blink:

[Hans]

You know people who went to war and enjoyed it? :blink:

They're not that uncommon, they just tend not to talk about it publicly. I could name at least one within 50km of you. Older guy, nice as anything, runs a motel and a ''contractor'' recruiting business. Looking at him you'd never guess it.

[Katman]

They're not that uncommon, they just tend not to talk about it publically. I could name at least one within 50km of you. Older guy, nice as anything, runs a motel and a ''contractor'' recruiting business. Looking at him you'd never guess it.

Over the last 5 years virtually the sole extent of my reading matter (apart from my quality time on KB, of course) has been about the New Zealand Division during WWII.

I'm struggling to remember any account that says they enjoyed it. Most recount the horror and futility of it all.

Maybe the modern Super Army Soldiers have it a lot easier than the Old Digs.

[98tls]

Can only imagine anyone that says they enjoyed it has some farking big issues,not to say they cant live a normal life etc but enjoy?na.Its not a Rambo movie.

[Hans]

I'm struggling to remember any account that says they enjoyed it. Most recount the horror and futility of it all.

Maybe the modern Super Army Soldiers have it a lot easier than the Old Digs.

They were (bless them) mostly raw recruits, ill informed of what they'd signed up for. A bit like the bulk of the U.S. Army today. The NZDF today, for example, is a vastly different story(fully pro army).

[Hans]

Can only imagine anyone that says they enjoyed it has some farking big issues,not to say they cant live a normal life etc but enjoy?na.Its not a Rambo movie.

Funny that. I recall some people on this thread writing much the same about hunters.

[98tls]

I fully support the idea of an army in this little nation of ours,just dont ffs give them live ammo.:facepalm:

[98tls]

Funny that. I recall some people on this thread writing much the same about hunters.

Indeed they did but hunting a pigs a long way from enjoying killing a human eh,if not its time to sell the gun.

[Hans]

Can only imagine anyone that says they enjoyed it has some farking big issues,not to say they cant live a normal life etc but enjoy?na.Its not a Rambo movie.


Indeed they did but hunting a pigs a long way from enjoying killing a human eh,if not its time to sell the gun.

Some of the hunters on here also said they didn't enjoy the kill itself. Besides, the ''enemy'' also signed up for it. Much unlike deer and pigs, for example.

[98tls]

Some of the hunters on here also said they didn't enjoy the kill itself. Besides, the ''enemy'' also signed up for it. Much unlike deer and pigs, for example.

You really think that most who fought in both world wars just signed up for it:facepalm:Not to mention Vietnam etc.

[Hans]

You really think that most who fought in both world wars just signed up for it:facepalm:Not to mention Vietnam etc.

A great many did in ww2. Virtually all Kiwis who fought in Vietnam did. But I am talking more about today's world.

[98tls]

A great many did in ww2. Virtually all Kiwis who fought in Vietnam did. But I am talking more about today's world.

"all the Kiwis" amounts to fuck all numbers wise when talking of Vietnam as with WW2 or while we are at it WW1 when it was considered an adventure until they arrived and the shit started,check out the $s America pays out each year both in ongoing treatment and mental health for returning vets from current wars.The mental health cost is absolutly staggering considering that when out day to day these guys look no different than anyone else.

[Hans]

"all the Kiwis" amounts to fuck all numbers wise when talking of Vietnam as with WW2 or while we are at it WW1 when it was considered an adventure until they arrived and the shit started,check out the $s America pays out each year both in ongoing treatment and mental health for returning vets from current wars.The mental health cost is absolutly staggering considering that when out day to day these guys look no different than anyone else.

Yup. Never said it was everyone's cup of tea. But some people do enjoy it. And not all of those are fucked in the head. Not before, nor after.

[98tls]

Yup. Never said it was everyone's cup of tea. But some people do enjoy it. And not all of those are fucked in the head. Not before, nor after.

That would be the thing with being fucked in the head i guess,not knowing it.

[Katman]

That would be the thing with being fucked in the head i guess,not knowing it.

I read a book once written by a Congressional Medal of Honour winner.

After his fifth (volunteered) tour of duty in Vietnam the American military had to trick him into leaving Vietnam whereby they then ensured he couldn't return.

They though he was mentally unstable - he thought he was perfectly sane.

[Hans]

I read a book once written by a Congressional Medal of Honour winner.

After his fifth (volunteered) tour of duty in Vietnam the American military had to trick him into leaving Vietnam whereby they then ensured he couldn't return.

They though he was mentally unstable - he thought he was perfectly sane.

Colonel Kurtz? Lol.

[98tls]

I read a book once written by a Congressional Medal of Honour winner.

After his fifth (volunteered) tour of duty in Vietnam the American military had to trick him into leaving Vietnam whereby they then ensured he couldn't return.

They though he was mentally unstable - he thought he was perfectly sane.

Awile back on the TL site there was a few longtime members that had returned home from Iraq,some interesting reading from time to time in the open forum (same as the rant n rave here).

[Delerium]

I fully support the idea of an army in this little nation of ours,just dont ffs give them live ammo.:facepalm:

Care to explain that omment?

[imdying]

Care to explain that omment?Quite simple... most of the army are coons, so it'd be best if they didn't have ammunition to start a coup with their agrieved brothers.