Cyclists on SH16 this morning

[MadDuck]

Went for a pootle this morning as you do on such a beaut day. Havent been up SH16 for a while and I guessed that KBers would stay away due to the new "undercover" police car that is supposed to be hiding out there just to catch you :facepalm:

Well I tell ya what the latest threat to motorcyclists on this road is not the police, cars, campervans, other bikers or cow pats. Nope its CYCLISTS! What a bunch of arrogant stupid people I have ever seen.

2 to 3 abreast on blind corners is kind of dumb aint it? Just about to lean the tank into the corner (well as best as it will lean - I hear you all laughing) and two cut the corner right in front of me. This was not just once.

They cant say they didnt hear me cos you can hear me coming for bloody miles :innocent: Oh and please if you are fat - dont wear lycra!

Apart from that was a great day to be riding that road. Not many cars at all and bugger all bikes.

[mattian]

I believe they are only allowed to ride 2 abrest. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.

Its suicidal if you ask me. Someone in a big 4x4 or larger truck could easily run over a cyclist riding 3 abreast on a corner, and not even know they hit anything. Having said that! they do have just as much right to use the road as anyone else. Drivers/ riders just need to be more aware of hazards. Just add it to your list of things to watch out for.

[FJRider]

I get a bit of that down this way ...

[neels]

I get a bit of that down this way ...
We get a lot of that around our way.

It's a bit off putting to come around a blind corner to find a bunch of cyclists taking up their lane and some of yours. Riding the bike straight at them seems to scare them back to where they should be though.

[MadDuck]

Having said that! they do have just as much right to use the road as anyone else. Drivers/ riders just need to be more aware of hazards. Just add it to your list of things to watch out for.

Although tempting I wont start a rant over the fact that I pay a hell of a lot to be on the road and they dont.....there is no way to report their poor behaviour as there is with bad drivers/riders. So they are lawless?

[hellokitty]

I was on the road from coatesville to kumeu (is that 17?) lycra clad bicycles everywhere!!! Hard to get around them on the corners - Out of courtesy I normally give them room, but damn hard when I am going to run out of my side of the road.
I can understand why people feel such anger towards them, 2 or 3 abreast is just crazy

[Maha]

Oh and please if you are fat - dont wear lycra!



Thought jrandom had lost weight?

[FJRider]

Although tempting I wont start a rant over the fact that I pay a hell of a lot to be on the road and they dont.....there is no way to report their poor behaviour as there is with bad drivers/riders. So they are lawless?

*555 ... As legal road users, they have to obey the law just as you and I are expected to do so.... dangerous riding, careless use or a bicycle, drunk in charge ... and my personal favourite, impeding the flow of traffic ...

[Scuba_Steve]

*555 ... As legal road users, they have to obey the law just as you and I are expected to do so.... dangerous riding, careless use or a bicycle, drunk in charge ... and my personal favourite, impeding the flow of traffic ...

ya can't get 'em on "drunk in charge" unfortunately as our law is "drunk in charge of a motor vehicle" hence why they can do the deadly pedly pub crawl each year down south

[spacemonkey]

I believe they are only allowed to ride 2 abrest. Someone will correct me if I'm wrong.



No you are correct. :yes:

[Daffyd]

ya can't get 'em on "drunk in charge" unfortunately as our law is "drunk in charge of a motor vehicle" hence why they can do the deadly pedly pub crawl each year down south

They could still be done for drunk in a public place.

[GZ250]

I was there too this morning, went for a nice ride in the sun to find at least 40 cyclists along Coatesvillie-Riverhead highway in wide distances - was painful working my way across 3 abreast groups every 800m...

ARGH!

[Scuba_Steve]

They could still be done for drunk in a public place.

do we have such a law??? I woulda thought the only thing we have surrounding that was some-sort of disturbance of the peace type thing. Drunk in a public place well hell thats almost everyone who steps outta a bar/pub

[meteor]

[SIZE="1"]... I pay a hell of a lot to be on the road and they don't...

You'd probably find that there would be few cyclists that don't pay taxes via petrol, rego's etc same as you and I. Some may actually ride motorbikes too! But I'm not for a minute advocating their dangerous riding is lawful or clever.. not like us motorcyclists.... we never break any laws!

[Woodman]

pretty sure the law states that they are allowed to ride as many abreast as they like, but if they are impeding traffic then they have to ride in single file. This includes cycle races. It would only take a conerted effort by some pissed off drivers to start*555ing every cycle race. Still wonder how they get permits to race on public roads that are open to normal traffic. Problem is though, the cyclist always seems to have the moral high ground. Something needs to be sorted soon as it is getting out of control

[wickle]

it seems a common problem every where,a guy that comes into work had something todo with them I mentioned it to him, got a :whocares: shug, so now if i can coast quietly up behind them, and just before passing give a little toot ( 115decibels) warning:wings:

[SMOKEU]

It should be illegal for cyclists to ride 2 or more abreast. They wonder why they get run over with alarming frequency when they do dumb shit like that.

[Voltaire]

OMG.....held up for a few/seconds/minutes by cyclists......it really doen't get much worse that that....

[MadDuck]

OMG.....held up for a few/seconds/minutes by cyclists......it really doen't get much worse that that....

Actually if you learnt to read at no point did I say they held me up. Their dangerous riding is my gripe.

[scracha]

As a "minority" road user (a.k.a. motorcyclist) I don't think we're doing ourselves favors by pissing of cyclists.

Legally they have as much right to use the road as we do.

Like us they may have to avoid shit at the side of the road, potholes etc and expect other vehicles to give them some space whilst passing.

Legally they can ride two abreast. I personally think that's a bit stupid coming around blind corners but I suspect many ride 2/3 abreast in an attempt to slow following cars down and force them to overtake properly rather than firing past at 100kph with 6 inches to spare..

Legally you should be able to stop in the distance you can see and therefore if you smack into one whilst cornering enthusiastically then you're up shit creek without a paddle.

[JimO]

Legally you should be able to stop in the distance you can see and therefore if you smack into one whilst cornering enthusiastically then you're up shit creek without a paddle.[/QUOTE]

not if you punt the cunts into the bushes

[baptist]

*555 ... As legal road users, they have to obey the law just as you and I are expected to do so.... dangerous riding, careless use or a bicycle, drunk in charge ... and my personal favourite, impeding the flow of traffic ...

How dare you!!! they never do that... do they? :yes:

I have to say that they are another minority like us, however we do kinda pay a little to use the road, and before anyone says they pay via their cars etc. so does everyone else with a second vehicle. I have no probem sharing the road with them, I just wish they would learn to ride in a way that does not bug so many other road users :shutup:

[hellokitty]

I am afraid of knocking them off their bikes...... and I am afraid that sometimes I want to.......

[Voltaire]

Actually if you learnt to read at no point did I say they held me up. Their dangerous riding is my gripe.

Soooooory....I just thought it was a general moan about other minority road users.

Nearly as sad as the one about " no one stopped coz I had a flat tyre"......:facepalm:

I once had a truck take out the Birkenhead overbridge in front of me and had to wait for over 30 minutes.....bloody trucks...:innocent:

[pritch]

Oh good another bike bashing thread...

I have a newish bike here that I'm supposed to ride to work for exercise. Bit sad about the weather since I bought it though.

It's the old story, if you don't like the way I ride get off the footpath. :whistle:

[FJRider]

Cyclists are no different to motorcyclist's ... as both choose to ignore any law(s) they find "inconvenient" ... at the time ...

[Flip]

I am afraid of knocking them off their bikes...... and I am afraid that sometimes I want to.......

Double plus one.

I give them a little toot now days as I come up 50m behind them. It lets them know that I am there and to pull over. Works 90% of the time. Sometimes they are doing a rolling road block kind of thing. Then I just pass them at my convenience.

I saw some road rage a while ago, its going to court, but I saw a old grey retired granddad guy simply "owned" an very abusive Lycra lout, who didn't see it coming.

[Toaster]

Yes very frustrating when bicycles take up too much of the lane and cause impediment to the flow of traffic behind them.

Cyclists, just like ALL road users need to be considerate of others. It is a privilege to use the roads, not a right.

SH16, Coatsville-Riverhead Highway and Kahikatea Flat Road are often awash with lycra-clad cyclists in their little groups and often arrogantly blocking lanes as they dawdle along at snail pace slowing everyone up.

Gits.

[Toaster]

Cyclists are no different to motorcyclist's ... as both choose to ignore any law(s) they find "inconvenient" ... at the time ...

So do burglars.

[Jantar]

Cyclists are no different to motorcyclist's ... as both choose to ignore any law(s) they find "inconvenient" ... at the time ...
The difference being that cyclists riding 3 abreast block the road; motorcyclists exceeding the speed limit or lane splitting free up the road. Personally, I find that to be a big difference.

[Fatt Max]

Oh and please if you are fat - dont wear lycra!

Sorry, the rest of them made me do it....

[Toaster]

The difference being that cyclists riding 3 abreast block the road; motorcyclists exceeding the speed limit or lane splitting free up the road. Personally, I find that to be a big difference.

Only if they dont crash.

[jasonu]

ya can't get 'em on "drunk in charge" unfortunately as our law is "drunk in charge of a motor vehicle" hence why they can do the deadly pedly pub crawl each year down south

I remember a long time ago a bit in the Herald about a drunk in charge on a horse on a public road. The guy got done, don't remember the exact charge tho.

[bsasuper]

I like to take the lead in my old diesel (pours out black smoke when I want it to), and drive slower than they are riding, works well on the hills here in rotovegas, they love it.

[hellokitty]

Double plus one.

I give them a little toot now days as I come up 50m behind them. It lets them know that I am there and to pull over. Works 90% of the time. Sometimes they are doing a rolling road block kind of thing. Then I just pass them at my convenience.

I saw some road rage a while ago, its going to court, but I saw a old grey retired granddad guy simply "owned" an very abusive Lycra lout, who didn't see it coming.

Sometimes they are wobbling around a bit, which freaks me out - the worst is when you are sitting in slow moving traffic and they lane split - you don't hear them and then woooosh there they are. I am scared of hitting them as they have even less protection then us and certainly no protective clothing.

[Tink]

Although tempting I wont start a rant over the fact that I pay a hell of a lot to be on the road and they dont.....there is no way to report their poor behaviour as there is with bad drivers/riders. So they are lawless?


*555 ... As legal road users, they have to obey the law just as you and I are expected to do so.... dangerous riding, careless use or a bicycle, drunk in charge ... and my personal favourite, impeding the flow of traffic ...

I have called *555 for a mattress on the motorway, a cow on a sharp bend and a dude overtaking on a double yellow line.... don't see why I can't call it on 3 bikes abreast on a bend... all hazards going slower than 70km on a 100km road.

and ... I used to ride a race bike on the road... shit myself so I stopped, to many trucks scared me.:violin:

[Maha]

I remember a long time ago a bit in the Herald about a drunk in charge on a horse on a public road. The guy got done, don't remember the exact charge tho.

Yeah that was a bit tough, he was just horsin' around....:drinkup:

[Shadowjack]

Yeah that was a bit tough, he was just horsin' around....:drinkup:

And they needed to rein him in..?
But seriously, folks...I don't often ride the Port Hills for the cyclist reason. Share the roads, for sure, but two abreast on the narrow, winding bits is irresponsible. And yes, I've spent time on the "other" two wheels.

[thepom]

Christchurch hills are busy with bikers and most of the time are well behaved but I,m sure you get a few that deliberately block the road but I do give them the room and even....even slow down to let them round the bends when they are two abreast as I don,t want myself or the treadly rider killed by the halfwit boyracers and idiot FWD drivers who race around up there....:shit:

[MSTRS]

Legally they have as much right to use the road as we do.


Yep. And with that right comes responsibility.
Having a right does not mean do what you like.
The lycra bunch seem particularly bad round these parts (prolly no worse than anywhere else) but hey, round here is where us locals find them...

[FJRider]

..... but two abreast on the narrow, winding bits is irresponsible. And yes, I've spent time on the "other" two wheels.

Two abreast is legal .... as is travelling at 100 km/hr on the open road.

But ... sometimes, it's just plain dangerous to travel at that speed.

Some situations make BOTH dangerous ...

[Devil]

pretty sure the law states that they are allowed to ride as many abreast as they like, but if they are impeding traffic then they have to ride in single file.
Here is the law, you are only allowed 2 abreast:
http://legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2004/0427/latest/DLM303677.html?search=qs_all%40act%40bill%40regula tion_cycle+abreast_resel&p=1#DLM303677

[BMWST?]

its rude on the cyclists part.
Never mind most of them will be gone after the end of november(taupo)

[Voltaire]

Motorcyclists quoting the law....classic.

[spacemonkey]

Motorcyclists quoting the law....classic.

Why?
Are we all supposed to be knuckle dragging 1%er's?

[chanceyy]

its rude on the cyclists part.
Never mind most of them will be gone after the end of november(taupo)


yup to both comments above, have been cycling in Taupo over the weekend with my trainer and if the road allowed two abreast but majority of time no room so it was single file ..

sorry ducky for the lycra look just more comfy aye :innocent: however I must admit going 70ks down hill you do consider how little protection you do wear .. however leather on a bike is just not feasible !! perish the thought!! :shutup:

[release_the_bees]

I must admit going 70ks down hill you do consider how little protection you do wear .. however leather on a bike is just not feasible !! perish the thought!! :shutup:

That reminds me of a time when I went over to Waiheke Island for a weekend with the intention of hiring a motorcycle, only to be declined as I didn't have a full licence at the time. The only thing that they would let me have was a bicycle, so I ended up riding the damn thing six or seven kilometres whilst wearing my motorcycle jacket, pants and helmet. I think I lost a couple of kilograms from sweat. It was bloody hard work.

[breakaway]

Having said that! they do have just as much right to use the road as anyone else.

I have to disagree. I'm already paying $600 a year for the privilige. How much do they pay?

Fuckin prick cyclists and their holier than thou attitude. Im sick of coming around a corner and seeing these douchebags riding two abreast with a 4wd coming the other way on a narrow winding road.

[meteor]

I have to disagree. I'm already paying $600 a year for the privilige. How much do they pay?.

Well I cycle from time to time and I pay rego etc for 3 cars and 4 bikes so that would be considerably more than $600. Does that mean I'm not allowed the privilege to cycle as I'm not paying tax for that particular vehicle?

Think the issue is HOW they use the road not THAT they use the road. Some cyclists are dumb asses, no question... But so what, some one got held up for a few seconds... boo hoo. I just don't get the whole "It's my fucken road so stay off it" attitude.

[Latte]

I haven't found where they keep the lap times for SH16 though, but I'm sure they'd knock some time off for waiting for cyclists if you ask nice.

[Kickaha]

Fuckin prick cyclists and their holier than thou attitude.

Pretty much the same attitude as motorcyclists then

[Maha]

Pretty much the same attitude as motorcyclists then

Only 1% though aint it?

[Kickaha]

Only 1% though aint it?

That would make a good Tui add

[scracha]

I have to disagree. I'm already paying $600 a year for the privilige. How much do they pay?.

You can disagree all you like but it's a fact....they have just as much right to be on the road as you or I. I suppose pedestrians shouldn't be allowed on the road too as they dont pay.

[Scuba_Steve]

You can disagree all you like but it's a fact....they have just as much right to be on the road as you or I. I suppose pedestrians shouldn't be allowed on the road too as they dont pay.

no they can be on the road but they can watch out for ME I'm the one paying I get priority!

[breakaway]

You can disagree all you like but it's a fact....they have just as much right to be on the road as you or I. I suppose pedestrians shouldn't be allowed on the road too as they dont pay.

How often do pedestrians walk two abreast on windy mountain roads around blind corners?

I got a real fucking problem with cyclists because they act like they own the fucking road. As a motorcyclist, I know that if I act like an idiot and position myself over, say, a blind rise doing 10 km/h, I know there's a good chance of a truck collecting me. But cyclists - nooo. I own the road. And when they get taken out, they bitch about it like they had NO part to play in it at all. It's modern day natural selection if I ever saw it.

[Tink]

How often do pedestrians walk two abreast on windy mountain roads around blind corners?



I find pedestrians often shut their eyes as they reach a ped crossing, and treat it like the pavement, oh well for the driver that stuffs up that day and runs them over... same thing to me as cyclists abreast on a blind corner, friend hit a car on his bike, car was doing 70km in front of him, he was doing 100km, (over a bridge) neither really at fault, but the bike came off worse, and the rider, so do as the americans do, the smaller the vehicle (be it motor or not)... look out for human life... as arrogant as some of us are...we are all still human, and have to live on this planet together... unfortunately.

[Katman]

And when they get taken out, they bitch about it like they had NO part to play in it at all.

Oh, the irony. :facepalm:

[Forest]

Yes very frustrating when bicycles take up too much of the lane and cause impediment to the flow of traffic behind them.

Cyclists, just like ALL road users need to be considerate of others. It is a privilege to use the roads, not a right.

SH16, Coatsville-Riverhead Highway and Kahikatea Flat Road are often awash with lycra-clad cyclists in their little groups and often arrogantly blocking lanes as they dawdle along at snail pace slowing everyone up.

Gits.

I don't ride my motorbike a great deal these days. But I typically cycle between 350 to 400km a week on city and country roads. I regard myself as a considerate cyclist and always ride on my own, keep to the road shoulder/berm when possible, and try to avoid riding on busy highways.

On Saturday evening I was riding eastwards along the Kahikatea Flat road as part of a routine weekend training ride. Just before the hill that leads down to the SH17 turnoff, a group of three cars came past at around 80km/h. The last car lined me up and one of the young cunts in the car leaned out and punched me from behind as they went past. The assault was random and unprovoked.

What does this prove? Nothing really - it's just my experience. But I think it's clear that cyclists aren't the ones that need an attitude adjustment.

I basically agree with the other posters in this thread. If you don't have a clear view of the road ahead that it's the rider's (or driver's) responsibility to maintain the ability to stop safely.

[Woodman]

I basically agree with the other posters in this thread. If you don't have a clear view of the road ahead that it's the rider's (or driver's) responsibility to maintain the ability to stop safely.

Does that just include cyclists? What about U turning vehicles?

[Forest]

Does that just include cyclists? What about U turning vehicles?

I was actually thinking more along the lines of tractors, horses, and wandering stock.

Rural roads are hazardous places. If you ride/drive in a manner that doesn't leave you with the ability to stop safely, you're just contributing another hazard.

[Swoop]

Cyclists plan to lead by example (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/motoring/news/article.cfm?c_id=9&objectid=10682990).

Frustrated motorists may see it as a contradiction in terms, but a new organisation is hitting the country's roads this summer to promote the concept of responsible cycling.

Its mission is to make roads safer for everyone by building a more friendly and respectful relationship between cyclists and motorists.

Auckland triathlete Rowan Larsen says he has used proceeds from his Birkenhead-based recruitment business to form the Responsible Cyclists Association to heal deteriorating relations between the two groups.

He describes the not-for-profit association, which he has set up with a small group of helpers backed nationally by the Bicycle Industry Association through its affiliates' bike shops, as a non-political organisation focused on the single goal of breaking a "cycle" of intolerance on the roads.

Members paying a $15 subscription fee are asked to sign up to a 10- point charter of good behaviour and to wear reflective stickers on their helmets to identify themselves to passing motorists as "responsible cyclists".

The stickers, which they are also encouraged to put on their cars, carry the logo of a bike chain shaped like a daisy chain reminiscent of a 1960s peace symbol.

"Motorists will learn to look out for us as 'friendlies' who will make it as easy as we possibly can for them to get past us in difficult traffic situations as well as giving them a cheery thank-you wave in return for their consideration," the association says in a message to new members on a website being developed for them to swap ideas and information (www.rca.org.nz). "Our philosophy is that in order to get respect, you must first show respect."

Mr Larsen, 53, said that his inspiration for founding the organisation was a perverse public reaction to injuries suffered by four cyclists mown down accidentally by a novice motorist on Tamaki Drive in September last year.

"People were sympathetic to start with but by the end of the week there was a huge backlash against cyclists," he said.

That was followed a month later by the death of North Shore GP Graham Robinson, who was knocked off his bike on a training ride near Helensville by a hit-and-run driver who has not been caught.

Mr Larsen said he had given police details of a similar incident in the area a week earlier when he was almost knocked off his bike by what he suspected was the same flat-deck Toyota Hilux ute involved in Dr Robinson's death. "The police thought I was buzzed by the same guy too," he said.

Mr Larsen believes only small minorities of both motorists and cyclists behave unacceptably in hogging the roads.

But he says they are the ones most noticed by other road users, giving everyone else sharing their transport mode a bad name.

"Tolerance means space and patience - if motorists know you don't want to obstruct them they will wait for you to get into a better position and hopefully just glide effortlessly past," he said.

Automobile Association spokesman Mike Noon welcomed the new organisation and said he hoped motorists offered more respect from cyclists would return the favour.

[scumdog]

They could still be done for drunk in a public place.


No such law now Daffyd.

A shame because it would improve behaviour of drunks, it (assuming they could still think) would make them think they had better not act drunk or they'd get busted..

[scumdog]

Why?
Are we all supposed to be knuckle dragging 1%er's?
No.

But it seems the single biggest gripe on KB is about getting a ticket for speeding and how speed limits shouldn't apply to them...

[Patrick]

..... The last car lined me up and one of the young cunts in the car leaned out and punched me from behind as they went past. The assault was random and unprovoked....

I take you got the rego? Name and shame...

[grbaker]

I use to be fairly relaxed around the bicyclist road user arguments... but 2 weeks ago driving out Whitemans Valley on a lovely Sunday morning we came across:
"Single cyclist in the middle of the road, & he's stayed there too"
"2 abreats, inside rider wobbling & weaving so his mate sits way out"
"3 abreast, coming head on, on our side of the road"
"3 abreast headon, mid blind corner"
"big fat arse wobbling all over the show" :facepalm:


All the engine rev'ing and horn a honking did not get past the collective IPods & wind noise that 12kph may create.

Wot a bunch of F'tards. Wot makes it worse is that the motorist gets all the blame when one of the heal-coatings get clipped and the f'ers pay no ACC road taxes.. us Motorcyclist pay for the A&E bill.

I must not compare them to rabbits - but you kinda got the feeling the might just freeze looking into the healights as well....

[Toaster]

I don't ride my motorbike a great deal these days. But I typically cycle between 350 to 400km a week on city and country roads. I regard myself as a considerate cyclist and always ride on my own, keep to the road shoulder/berm when possible, and try to avoid riding on busy highways.

On Saturday evening I was riding eastwards along the Kahikatea Flat road as part of a routine weekend training ride. Just before the hill that leads down to the SH17 turnoff, a group of three cars came past at around 80km/h. The last car lined me up and one of the young cunts in the car leaned out and punched me from behind as they went past. The assault was random and unprovoked.

What does this prove? Nothing really - it's just my experience. But I think it's clear that cyclists aren't the ones that need an attitude adjustment.

I basically agree with the other posters in this thread. If you don't have a clear view of the road ahead that it's the rider's (or driver's) responsibility to maintain the ability to stop safely.

What you need to keep in mind id that SOME drivers need an attitude adjustment and so do SOME cyclists. Like anything, there are idiots in both groups for sure.

[Malcolm]

Wot makes it worse is that the motorist gets all the blame when one of the heal-coatings get clipped and the f'ers pay no ACC road taxes.. us Motorcyclist pay for the A&E bill.


This attitude pisses me off. As someone who is paying rego on two bikes and a car (I guess around $1400 a year right?), I think I pay my fair share of ACC levies, and I imagine most other cyclists are paying levies through their motorised vehicles they own too - I don't know why so many people seem to assume someone on a bicycle is a full-time cyclist and pays nothing to be there.

I've found as I've recently gotten back into cycling on the road that if you think car drivers don't notice you on a motorbike, it's a whole new level on a bicycle, and you feel a shittonne more vulnerable out there too.

I think everyone - truckies, cages, bikers and cyclists all need to get out of their idiotic and destructive mindset that they have more right to be on the road than everyone else. It's really quite nice going through life not hating everybody else on the road.

[neels]

"Single cyclist in the middle of the road, & he's stayed there too"
"2 abreats, inside rider wobbling & weaving so his mate sits way out"
"3 abreast, coming head on, on our side of the road"
"3 abreast headon, mid blind corner"
"big fat arse wobbling all over the show" :facepalm:
Go for a ride along the summit road on a saturday arvo and you're pretty much guaranteed to see all of the above in one trip. The other night I was following a lady who was obviously a bit scared of falling over a cliff on a downhill bit, so she was wobbling around either side of the centreline I assume to stay safely away from the edge.

I used to ride a roadie, but being slow and unfit ended up riding with the weekend warriors in the back bunches, got sick of all the random and outright dangerous shit they did on public roads so gave it up and sold the thing while it and I were still in one piece.

I have found that the guys in team gear (as in actually ride for a team, not purchased off the internet) that do big training miles are pretty good, it's the bunches of wannabes riding to the latte shop that tend to be the ignorant ones.

[Forest]

I take you got the rego? Name and shame...

Yep - I caught up with them further down SH17 and got the rego. A complaint has been laid and the Henderson Police are investigating.

[Forest]

What you need to keep in mind id that SOME drivers need an attitude adjustment and so do SOME cyclists. Like anything, there are idiots in both groups for sure.

I entirely agree with you. What I should have said that cyclists aren't the only ones that need an attitude adjustment.

[Forest]

Before I forget - and this seems like as good a place as any to post this:

This coming Saturday (October 30) will see the annual K2 bicycle race running around the Coromandel loop. So you should expect to see a largish number of cyclists on the road.

And in case anyone is interested in how these events are policed, here is the message that was relayed by the race organisers.



Dear ####

On behalf of the Eastern Waikato Police area, welcome to the K2 cycle ride.

The New Zealand Police are committed to ensuring the safety of all road users, which includes you as a competitor, spectators and the motoring public

It was pleasing that the overall conduct of cyclists last year was generally very good, however we did receive some complaints from members of the public concerning the impact of this event on the area. This year, with your co-operation, we believe we can eliminate such complaints.

As road users, cyclists as well as motorists and pedestrians, are bound by the laws governing road safety. We ask that you consider other road users and keep to the left-hand side of the marked centreline, and also to allow following traffic to pass when it is safe to do so, particularly when travelling in large bunches of cyclists.

We will be policing this event and any infringements or offending by anyone - cyclists, motorists, pedestrians - will be dealt with by way of enforcement action.

The event organisers have the full support of the New Zealand Police, and we are working together to ensure that each of you enjoy this event and complete the event with safety.

Good luck and stay safe

Glenn DUNBIER
Area Commander
Eastern Waikato

[liljegren]

I'm organising a motorcycle racearound the Coro loop at Easter. I dont give fuck how many people get annoyed or killed, as long as I can ride my motorcycle how and where I like. It's my right.
Next Xmas I'm organising a fuckin horse race around the same loop, and then a fuckin trolley derby.....
Get your fuckin pushbike races on a fuckin track and and stop fucking everybody else off!
Rant complete, and yes I'm an ex-cyclist. Last rode one to school in 1974.

[hellokitty]

Yep - I caught up with them further down SH17 and got the rego. A complaint has been laid and the Henderson Police are investigating.

good job! That was digusting behaviour hitting you like that - I hope they get charged with something :angry:

[grbaker]

Sorry Malcolm ye missed the point. Car drivers, motorcyclist, even Van drivers do not drive three abreast and straight at on comming traffic. Yes there are expections but not enough to rant about.

Those mentioned above have passed a drivers license and paid rego (which includes ACC taxes) to use the road. The cyclist dip-sh_ts haven't & don't, and it shows.



This attitude pisses me off. As someone who is paying rego on two bikes and a car (I guess around $1400 a year right?), I think I pay my fair share of ACC levies, and I imagine most other cyclists are paying levies through their motorised vehicles they own too - I don't know why so many people seem to assume someone on a bicycle is a full-time cyclist and pays nothing to be there.

I've found as I've recently gotten back into cycling on the road that if you think car drivers don't notice you on a motorbike, it's a whole new level on a bicycle, and you feel a shittonne more vulnerable out there too.

I think everyone - truckies, cages, bikers and cyclists all need to get out of their idiotic and destructive mindset that they have more right to be on the road than everyone else. It's really quite nice going through life not hating everybody else on the road.

[pritch]

Sorry Malcolm ye missed the point. Car drivers, motorcyclist, even Van drivers do not drive three abreast and straight at on comming traffic. Yes there are expections but not enough to rant about.

Those mentioned above have passed a drivers license and paid rego (which includes ACC taxes) to use the road. The cyclist dip-sh_ts haven't & don't, and it shows.

Actually, it seems to me that you've missed his point. Most of the cyclists do pay ACC and they do have drivers licences.

[MSTRS]

Actually, it seems to me that you've missed his point. Most of the cyclists do pay ACC and they do have drivers licences.

They may be perfectly law abiding motorists, paid-up regos an'all....but they don't pay a road user charge on their bikes and too many of them are complete prats, especially when out with a group. They have a 'right' to be on the road, but with that goes 'responsibility'. Which is lacking.
That is the problem.

[breakaway]

They may be perfectly law abiding motorists, paid-up regos an'all....but they don't pay a road user charge on their bikes and too many of them are complete prats, especially when out with a group. They have a 'right' to be on the road, but with that goes 'responsibility'. Which is lacking.
That is the problem.

This, times a MILLION. Those of you defending bicyclists need to wake the fuck up.

[pritch]

too many of them are complete prats, especially when out with a group.


Ummm and this doesn't apply to motorcyclists too? :devil2:

Some cyclists may be prats, so are a lot of drivers, and so are some motorcyclists.
There's allegedly one born every minute so there's no shortage...

[MSTRS]

Ummm and this doesn't apply to motorcyclists too? :devil2:

Some cyclists may be prats, so are a lot of drivers, and so are some motorcyclists.
There's allegedly one born every minute so there's no shortage...

Of course. But I'm sure there are other threads where they are being discussed.
This one is for bitching about treadlies...:innocent:

[Reckless]

This attitude pisses me off. As someone who is paying rego on two bikes and a car (I guess around $1400 a year right?), I think I pay my fair share of ACC levies, and I imagine most other cyclists are paying levies through their motorised vehicles they own too - I don't know why so many people seem to assume someone on a bicycle is a full-time cyclist and pays nothing to be there.

I've found as I've recently gotten back into cycling on the road that if you think car drivers don't notice you on a motorbike, it's a whole new level on a bicycle, and you feel a shittonne more vulnerable out there too.

I think everyone - truckies, cages, bikers and cyclists all need to get out of their idiotic and destructive mindset that they have more right to be on the road than everyone else. It's really quite nice going through life not hating everybody else on the road.

OK so to apply your scenario in reverse because I pay rego on two bikes, a car, acc levies in my business. I get should a refund because I don't ride a pushie?
Which part of the $1400 is going towards cyclists?? I don't ride a cycle I want mine back!!

[Duke girl]

What amazes me about cyclists on our roads is some of the roads they ride on. You can barely get 2 cars passing each other on them and yet cyclist ride 2/3 abreast on them. Why is it that they are allowed to ride the roads that they do when some roads don't even have cycle lanes on them.
Do they not value their own lives?.
Why dont they put signs out WARNING: cars/trucks/motorcyclists and other road users that they are out there and to watch out for them?.
Ride to survive.

[Bald Eagle]

All the blood flow is in the lycra legs, not enough left for proper brain function , situational awareness etc.

[mattian]

This, times a MILLION. Those of you defending bicyclists need to wake the fuck up.

As a minority.... I thought motorcyclists of all people would be the first to stand up and defend the rights of other minority road users.

We could easily take your statement that you've just made, and replace "bicyclists" with "motorcyclists" and, then you would have the exact sentiment that most car drivers have about us ! its exactly the same.

there's just too much rage out there on the roads about us versus them versus those crazy cunts...blah blah blah. Just let people enjoy their chosen sport they way you are entitled to enjoy yours!! I can garuntee you bicyclists aren't hated as much or, considered more of a hazard on the road than motorcyclists by your average Joe Public, who jumps out of their seat everytime a motorcycle edges up past them at a set of traffic lights, or shakes their head in disgust everytime there is another story in the news about a dead motorcyclist.

[MSTRS]

Um...your 'average motorist' does not drive the roads that cyclists like to get out on (much as we do). So those motorists have limited exposure to the bullshit 2/3/4 abreast, all over the road, traffic-blocking speeds of your average lycra-clad bunch of dickheads.

[meteor]

They may be perfectly law abiding motorists, paid-up regos an'all....but they don't pay a road user charge on their bikes and too many of them are complete prats, especially when out with a group. They have a 'right' to be on the road, but with that goes 'responsibility'. Which is lacking.
That is the problem.

Hmmm, so how many motorcyclists pay road user charges for their motorbikes?

Oh shit, some fuckwit will red rep me again now for going off topic.
As a cyclist, I'm really not feeling the love guys....

I saw a scooter rider cut in front of a car today... must have been about half a meter in it... bloody motorcyclists, dangerous bunch of fuckers those!

[kevfromcoro]

They just go fast enough to keep up with the flow...
we can acclerate into a line of traffic quite quickly...
i live on the thames coast.. and they are a right pain in the arse if you come round a corner.. and there are 30 or 40 of them in the way
its a real hazzard....
they get a bit snoty to if ya get to close......
not sure how to resolve this problem.....
but they are a nuisance

[Malcolm]

OK so to apply your scenario in reverse because I pay rego on two bikes, a car, acc levies in my business. I get should a refund because I don't ride a pushie?
Which part of the $1400 is going towards cyclists?? I don't ride a cycle I want mine back!!

Well according to your sig (Kiwibiker Dirt Divison) I assume you probably engage in other somewhat dangerous activities that you don't pay ACC levies for...

Yes, some cyclists are dicks, same as how some motorcyclists are dicks, some car drivers are dicks, and as has been noted already - the reactions from a lot of you are astoundingly similar to what many motorists say about motorcyclists (not the same complaints, but similar sentiments), don't you see that? Guess this is why I don't post on here much, lots of opinionated folk that don't think things through so much.

[ellipsis]

....i used to think a lot once, but life has improved a hell of a lot since i stopped...

...some cyclists seem very lemming like when a group of more than a handful get their lycra workin'....just another bunch of uncontrollable events we pay lots of money to overcome or avoid....winter sorts them out...

[Voltaire]

Bloody Cyclists...I had to slow down for one yesterday as he was taking up most of 'MY' Bus Lane ...and those scooters...they just get in the way...and that walking across the road...whats with that?...:innocent:

[Sable]

Go past them on a fucked up old 2 stroke that cost a tenth of what their bikes did, bathe in the satisfaction of not even having to pedal, then pull in front and drown them in blue smoke. Still brings a smile to my face

[Swoop]

i live on the thames coast.. and they are a right pain in the arse if you come round a corner.. and there are 30 or 40 of them in the way
its a real hazzard....
not sure how to resolve this problem.....
"Bullbars".

[Rych]

Yes, some cyclists are dicks, same as how some motorcyclists are dicks, some car drivers are dicks, and as has been noted already - the reactions from a lot of you are astoundingly similar to what many motorists say about motorcyclists (not the same complaints, but similar sentiments), don't you see that? Guess this is why I don't post on here much, lots of opinionated folk that don't think things through so much.
This :yes:

There are dicks in all walks of life, the walk you're in ain't necessarily dick free lol.

[svr]

"Bullbars".

As a motorcyclist AND cyclist (like Baylis, Spies, Rossi, Bostrom, Pedrosa, etc etc.), I have to say that the cyclist hate on this thread is pretty disheartenening and puts kiwi motorcyclists firmly out on an international limb, along with other kiwi motorists, as selfish, pathological, uninformed backwater fuckwits who really shouldn't be on the road.
Just reading the road code might be a good start. Or even just learning how to read.

[caseye]

ya can't get 'em on "drunk in charge" unfortunately as our law is "drunk in charge of a motor vehicle" hence why they can do the deadly pedly pub crawl each year down south

Haven't seen the rest of the post after yours but couldn'
t help myself.
Would you care to put some money on that quote"
You can be charged with and prosecurtedf for being DIC of a push Bike here in NZ, sorry folks HAD to point this out.

[Katman]

As a motorcyclist AND cyclist (like Baylis, Spies, Rossi, Bostrom, Pedrosa, etc etc.), I have to say that the cyclist hate on this thread is pretty disheartenening and puts kiwi motorcyclists firmly out on an international limb, along with other kiwi motorists, as selfish, pathological, uninformed backwater fuckwits who really shouldn't be on the road.
Just reading the road code might be a good start. Or even just learning how to read.

You can always count on KB to provide endless examples of sickening hypocrisy and double standards.

[FJRider]

Haven't seen the rest of the post after yours but couldn'
t help myself.
Would you care to put some money on that quote"
You can be charged with and prosecurtedf for being DIC of a push Bike here in NZ, sorry folks HAD to point this out.

cough cough ... ummmmmm ...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/blogs/are-we-there-yet/3156431/Drink-cycling-is-it-legal

[grantnz]

Got stuck behind this lot a few months back, followed them for quite a while, got abused for not giving them enough room when I finally found a safe place ( for them and me) to pass. All chicks, so was not so bad, but just shows the the stupidity of cyclists. Why would you choose to put yourself in harms way on a busy road with no protection. If they want to ride those things on the open road in a 100km area they should have to pay ACC levies and registration, wear protective gear, ride single file and as far to the left as possible. Most have no respect for other road users.

[FJRider]

If they want to ride those things on the open road in a 100km area they should have to pay ACC levies and registration, wear protective gear, ride single file and as far to the left as possible. Most have no respect for other road users.

1. it doesn't look like a 100km/hr area ...
2. Two abreast is legal ... just, at times its not safe ...
3. As tax payers (even those on a benefit pay tax) and as such contribute to ACC ...
4. They are wearing all the protection legally required ...
5. Similar comments to yours can be made about motorcyclists ...

[Voltaire]

Got stuck behind this lot a few months back, followed them for quite a while, got abused for not giving them enough room when I finally found a safe place ( for them and me) to pass. All chicks, so was not so bad, but just shows the the stupidity of cyclists. Why would you choose to put yourself in harms way on a busy road with no protection. If they want to ride those things on the open road in a 100km area they should have to pay ACC levies and registration, wear protective gear, ride single file and as far to the left as possible. Most have no respect for other road users.

Hope you were in the passenger seat when you took the photos....:innocent:

[spacemonkey]

Hope you were in the passenger seat when you took the photos....:innocent:

lol way to go... bitching about cyclists who in the pic are within the law whilst you post pics of yourself breaking the law. :woohoo::clap::facepalm:

[Latte]

I reckon the reason you stayed behind them, and the reason you took pictures had nothing to do with "inconvenience" ;)

[spacemonkey]

Ya have to admit, fit ladies in lycra....... :love:

[grantnz]

Hope you were in the passenger seat when you took the photos....:innocent:

Pic was taken by backseat passenger, I was busy texting and eating Maccas and had just spilt my beer.

[chasio]

1. it doesn't look like a 100km/hr area ...
2. Two abreast is legal ... just, at times its not safe ...
3. As tax payers (even those on a benefit pay tax) and as such contribute to ACC ...
4. They are wearing all the protection legally required ...
5. Similar comments to yours can be made about motorcyclists ...

I'm another who rides both types of cycle about equal amounts of time.

Re Point 2: Riding two abreast is not permitted when passing, and that includes parked cars. So pic 1 is not permitted.

Pic 2 is permitted in terms of 2 up but inconsiderate and they are certainly failing to keep left, are they not? [Edit] The shocking rough chip used on many NZ roads encourages cyclists to head for smoother terrain as it makes a HUGE difference in both rider comfort and effort required. It looks like they are trying to use a smoother part of the road surface. Why no-one shouted, "Car back!" is beyond me, however as that will prompt single file riding to the left, thereby allowing an easier pass.

I thoroughly agree that at times it's not safe to be two abreast; probably more often than not, actually. Sadly, entitlement gets in the way of "common" sense with danger and frustration the frequent result.

I intended the above sentiment for cyclists but let's be honest, it can be applied to all road users.

Don't expect this to improve any time soon. The Lake Taupo Cycle Challenge is at the end of November. You can expect to see increasing numbers of cyclists on the roads between now and then. Many of them will be inexperienced and/or tired, hungry and dehydrated, which will not improve their awareness or decision making one jot.

These are mums and dads, sisters and brothers, sons and daughters, husbands and wives and generally good people who sometimes make mistakes.

Just like motorcyclists.

Cheers - Chasio

[saxet]

I basically agree with the other posters in this thread. If you don't have a clear view of the road ahead that it's the rider's (or driver's) responsibility to maintain the ability to stop safely.

The problem with this ,as I see it, is no one does this including the enforcers of the law. It's easier for cyclists to obey this rule as they are usually travelling slower than other traffic, but even they can't always stop in the distance visible.

What does interest me is that if I come up behind cyclists, when driving, on a windy road and slow down to first while waiting for an opportunity to pass they keep giving me terrified looks over their shoulders at me while I'm doing what they want. me to.( being patient)

[FJRider]

Re Point 2: Riding two abreast is not permitted when passing, and that includes parked cars. So pic 1 is not permitted.

These are mums and dads, sisters and brothers, sons and daughters, husbands and wives and generally good people who sometimes make mistakes.

Just like motorcyclists.

Cheers - Chasio

I stand corrected ... and for those that believe this is incorrect (as I did) ...

Clause 11.10 of the Land Transport (Road User) Rule 2004 states:

"A person must not ride a cycle or moped on a roadway so that it remains abreast and to the right of-
(a) 2 other vehicles that are cycles or mopeds; or
(b) 1 other cycle or moped while that cycle or moped is overtaking and passing another vehicle, including a parked vehicle; ..."

Those "good people" aren't making a mistake ... they are choosing to break/ignore laws that are inconvenient at that time ... in the belief that they ALL wont be stopped and ticketed for the "Traffic Infringement" (as some motorcyclists do believe)

[chasio]

I stand corrected ... and for those that believe this is incorrect (as I did) ...

Clause 11.10 of the Land Transport (Road User) Rule 2004 states:

"A person must not ride a cycle or moped on a roadway so that it remains abreast and to the right of-
(a) 2 other vehicles that are cycles or mopeds; or
(b) 1 other cycle or moped while that cycle or moped is overtaking and passing another vehicle, including a parked vehicle; ..."

Those "good people" aren't making a mistake ... they are choosing to break/ignore laws that are inconvenient at that time ... in the belief that they ALL wont be stopped and ticketed for the "Traffic Infringement" (as some motorcyclists do believe)

In editing my post, you segue from the specific case of the photographs to the general make-up of cyclists in a manner that was not intended by me. I'll own that I could have made the distinction clearer in my original post.

To return to the specific case (based on the evidence presented here): had I been cycling near that bunch, I'd have been having a word because their approach was selfish, unnecessary and frustrating.

[slowlegs]

As a cyclist, a driver and someone who has ridden a scooter I get annoyed on two counts.

Firstly, cyclists are apparently allowed to ride two abreast unless passing when they must do so in single file. Like most road users it is the ones who do it wrong (or what we perceive as wrong) which attract our attention. A few years while practically riding my pushbike in the gutter I had my mirror clipped by some moronic hoon in a Subaru, almost caught the prick at the next set of traffic lights too. Now when I see a vehicle coming up behind me I put in the odd swerve/wobble on so they get the idea I may be an unpredictable rider and funnily enough it seems to work.

It seems like no matter how safely you try to ride a two wheel or small vehicle there is some inconsiderate twit doing their best to kill or maim you. Being a defensive cyclist/driver/rider is the best thing you can do to stay alive out there.

Did you also know that it is illegal to ride at a speed that you can't stop in half the clear distance ahead? I often see comments that people make about going into corners where there is a cyclist, etc on the road and they have a near miss - if you wouldn't be able to stop for a cyclist you wouldn't be able to stop for wandering stock, a child or a broken down b-train. I know which one I would rather hit but perhaps it is best not to put your self in a situation where you are unable to avoid something. By all means go hard through the twisty bits but do it where you can see what is coming the other way.

A while ago I considered another scooter, unfortunately they can't be ridden on a motorway. They also can't be ridden on the cycle paths beside the north western motorway. I am all for cycle paths but this restriction annoys me. If I were to buy a scooter to leave my home and go to the city I would have to ride all the way through Te Atatu South, Glendene, Avondale and Waterview, just to get there. That would add around half an hour to a trip.

Also, with the new Greenhithe motorway, there will quite possibly be no harbour crossing available for mopeds. Some will say I should just man up and buy a real bike but due to an injury I find it harder to ride my pushbike and a larger scooter is just too heavy for me to safely ride.

I just find it annoying that some who pay no road user charges than some among us who do pay road user charges, ACC levies but are able to ride in less places and seemingly have less rights than those who don't.

[FJRider]

As a cyclist, a driver and someone who has ridden a scooter I get annoyed on two counts.

Firstly, cyclists are apparently allowed to ride two abreast unless passing when they must do so in single file. Like most road users it is the ones who do it wrong (or what we perceive as wrong) which attract our attention.

It seems like no matter how safely you try to ride a two wheel or small vehicle there is some inconsiderate twit doing their best to kill or maim you. Being a defensive cyclist/driver/rider is the best thing you can do to stay alive out there.

Did you also know that it is illegal to ride at a speed that you can't stop in half the clear distance ahead? I often see comments that people make about going into corners where there is a cyclist, etc on the road and they have a near miss - if you wouldn't be able to stop for a cyclist you wouldn't be able to stop for wandering stock, a child or a broken down b-train.

A while ago I considered another scooter, unfortunately they can't be ridden on a motorway. They also can't be ridden on the cycle paths beside the north western motorway. I am all for cycle paths but this restriction annoys me.

Also, with the new Greenhithe motorway, there will quite possibly be no harbour crossing available for mopeds. Some will say I should just man up and buy a real bike but due to an injury I find it harder to ride my pushbike and a larger scooter is just too heavy for me to safely ride.

I just find it annoying that some who pay no road user charges than some among us who do pay road user charges, ACC levies but are able to ride in less places and seemingly have less rights than those who don't.

You are annoyed because you aren't allowed to use the cycle lane on your scooter ??? ...

The LAW is there for the safety of the cyclists ... not just to inconvenience you ... or remove any "rights" you (may think you should) have .... simply because you pay registration/ACC levies ...

The policy/laws of no scooters on motorways, is for the safety of scooter riders. Again ... NOT to remove any "rights" ...

Those laws you feel your "rights" have been ignored, are there for YOUR safety too.

Why do you feel it is your "rights" that have been ignored/removed by laws that you find inconvenient .... for you ... ???

[chasio]

Slowlegs, I agree with you on a few fronts but mopeds on cycleways? No.

Mixing mopeds and bicycles is asking for crashes. Plenty of 50cc mopeds have been modded to do 70kmh on the flat, probably past 80 downhill. That's just asking for trouble when cyclists are not expecting to be passed at those kinds of speeds.

Putting a 120kg person on an 60kg moped may not get the speed above, but it would certainly load the structures used in a rather different way to your average cyclist.

Also can you tell a Vespa LX50 (moped) from an LX150 (motorcycle) from a distance? Or a modded SJ50 from a stock one? I can't.

But you have my sympathy regarding the Upper Harbour Bridge being classified as a motorway.

Chasio

PS - What's the lightest 125-ish cc scooter out there? The AN125 is 99kg, I see.

[Voltaire]

Road out SH 16 this morning at about 8.00...even then there were cyclists....:gob:...just past Helensville there was a "gaggle" of geese on the side of the road....I slowed down just in case.....
Woodcocks road has just been resealed and there were sweepers operating....once again I was compelled to slow down....and as if from nowhere came a group of cyclists....mainly middle aged blokes with beards and glasses....OMG....what if I had never got a bike licence....it could have been me....:facepalm:....95kgs don't look good in lycra...:innocent:

[pzkpfw]

Did you also know that it is illegal to ride at a speed that you can't stop in half the clear distance ahead?

Your point is valid, but specifically, "half" is for un-laned roads. (Which does cover many of the country roads where these "conflicts" occur...)

[pc220]

This attitude pisses me off. As someone who is paying rego on two bikes and a car (I guess around $1400 a year right?), I think I pay my fair share of ACC levies, and I imagine most other cyclists are paying levies through their motorised vehicles they own too - I don't know why so many people seem to assume someone on a bicycle is a full-time cyclist and pays nothing to be there.

I've found as I've recently gotten back into cycling on the road that if you think car drivers don't notice you on a motorbike, it's a whole new level on a bicycle, and you feel a shittonne more vulnerable out there too.

I think everyone - truckies, cages, bikers and cyclists all need to get out of their idiotic and destructive mindset that they have more right to be on the road than everyone else. It's really quite nice going through life not hating everybody else on the road.

Blame ACC for their targeting of differant groups with individual fees. One levy for all would go a long way towards easing the tension.

[thepom]

Worst I seen today comng back to chch were the two idiot car drivers overtaking a cyclist on a bend and one woman had a child in the passenger seat....missed me both times...wankers...

[Flip]

222491

This lot give me the shits.

Wrong side of the road, blind corner etc etc etc.

[Flip]

222492222493

Lets not forget the rolling traffic blocking maneuver.

[Swoop]

As a motorcyclist AND cyclist...

Just reading the road code might be a good start. Or even just learning how to read.
Also, as a cyclist (occasionally) and a motorcyclist...

Mr Darwin needs to up his game with the pschylists who ride in groups. Obviously they need to consider reading the road code.

[baptist]

222492222493

Lets not forget the rolling traffic blocking maneuver.

Ref your second picture, is that going up hill? That is the kind of thing that does drive other road users bonkers it does me. The guys on the outside...:mad::tugger:

[BoristheBiter]

Well according to your sig (Kiwibiker Dirt Divison) I assume you probably engage in other somewhat dangerous activities that you don't pay ACC levies for...



On that i should be able to ride my dirt bike on the road as i pay reg/ACC on 2 bikes, 1 truck and 4 cars with ruc on 3 of them.

[MSTRS]

Lets not forget the rolling traffic blocking maneuver.

To all those who defend the cyclist's right to do whatever they want, without any consideration for powered vehicles - in fact, with outright selfish, arrogant behaviour - Flip's photos need no more explanation....
Cyclists like these are as bad as the dickheads that give bikers a bad name.

[imac]

...Did you also know that it is illegal to ride at a speed that you can't stop in half the clear distance ahead? I.....
I think that is only for roads not marked with a center line
Mac

[chasio]

To all those who defend the cyclist's right to do whatever they want, without any consideration for powered vehicles - in fact, with outright selfish, arrogant behaviour - Flip's photos need no more explanation....
Cyclists like these are as bad as the dickheads that give bikers a bad name.

Did anyone actually say that, though?

Got to agree, some shockingly bad road use on display. Just as well we're all :innocent:

[neels]

Did anyone actually say that, though?
Pretty much, with the comments about cyclists being entitled to use of the road, and people should be more patient etc etc.

Fair enough sometimes, but the photos that have been posted show cyclists failing to follow the road code by;

Riding 2 abreast past parked vehicles
failing to ride as close to practical to the left
Failing to stay in their lane
Obstructing following traffic.

So while people should be more patient of reasonable cyclists, they are just as entitled to get pissed of with fucking ignorant ones.

[skinman]

I used to ride a road bike when younger, after the 3rd crsh caused by a car doing something stupid I took up Mountain biking as it was safer. Now im all grown up the toys are bigger & faster :yes:

[MattTLR]

In a previous life I was a half arsed reasonable cyclist (won a hand full of NZ track titles). In training I did +-700km a week, often up and down SH 16. Then due to a fucked ticker I started racing motorcycles. So, with foot in each camp, I feel able to comment impartially.

In the 25 yrs I rode bicycles, from 12 yrs old, I only got knocked off 3 times by cars when training (not a bad record compared to some). I usually rode by myself, and always stayed as far left as was possible, but still had to put up with some unbelieveable bullshit from people who felt that paying road tax meant thay had the right to behave like fuckwits.

Frequently when I went out on the bicycle I had to put up with completely unprovoked bullshit, I had my 5th metatarsal broken by a car clipping me by driving too close at high speed, I got wacked in the back with a stick by a pussy leaning out of a car who didn't have the balls to stop, and ultimately ended up going through the passenger window of a car turning across Don Bucks Rd who "didn't see me" (how many motorcyclists have heard that line).

I had trouble with cars (including an amusing incident with a dodgy pregant pissed Ho), buses (especially the pricks driving Commerical Buses based in New Lynn), and the Atlas Concrete trucks.......BUT....... never, never had a problem with motorcyclists.

We are on the same side. I only ever had positive interaction with blokes and blokesses on motorbikes'

Two suggestions -
1) a short friendly blip on the horn when you are coming up from behind to let the cyclist know you are there is usually enough for them to move over.
2) If you are in that much of hurry then you obviously have the speed of Rossi and maybe you need to get your prodigious skill onto the race track and prove just what a hero you are.

Remember - there are far more fuckwits behind the wheel of a car than are riding either bikes or motorbikes. Both groups are usually trying to keep ourselves alive, while car drivers couldn't give a shit.
So lets have less of this bollocks and support each other.

[Rych]

Thumbs up to that post ^^^^

Can't really put accusations against the sport it's the individual's involved. I've been given quite a bit of grief while riding out on the open road just on my own, on the white line, even left if I can, enjoying some exercise. Mostly young people yelling out abuse etc for no reason, had a bottle thrown at me once, not hit luckily.

If I rode past them on my R6 they would probably look with a little more respect, still on two wheels, same person different mode of transport.

[hellokitty]

was having a nice ride today up the Old North Road to Helensville - there was a pack of bicycles in a huddle and some dumb ass car on MY side of the road overtaking them on a sharp corner.
Luckily I was thinking about this thread and the thread about the car that knocked the guy and his daughter off (sorry forgot your name) and was expecting some form of idiocy, and so was well prepared :blink:

[MSTRS]

....
Remember - there are far more fuckwits behind the wheel of a car than are riding either bikes or motorbikes. Both groups are usually trying to keep ourselves alive, while car drivers couldn't give a shit.
So lets have less of this bollocks and support each other.

Most of us would agree that respect and support are due ANYONE behaving responsibly in/on ANY SORT of vehicle. Act IRresponsibly, and no-one has the right to expect any sort of courtesy...
It is my belief that the more vulnerable one is, the more courtesy/responsibility one should demonstrate...if only to avoid becoming a victim of the more extreme examples of dickhead 'retaliation' from other road users. Or to avoid giving them any 'legitimate reason' to get aggressive.

[Voltaire]

did 300 odd kms around the Huntly area and SH 22....not one cyclist.....bugger all cars too.
..and not too boring if you go the back road from Papakura.

[Gareth51]

Going up our local Pae-kok hill,going round a corner to come across 2 cyclist one to the left and the other in the middle of the road,..leaving me enough room to go between them...............tempting as its was I didn't.

[Insanity_rules]

OMG.....held up for a few/seconds/minutes by cyclists......it really doen't get much worse that that....

I'll say...............

But having had the experience of a stupid cyclist wobbling into my path on a blind bend sure makes a change of pants a necessity.