How do we start again?

[carver]

Lets face it, our current consumption of resources is unsustainable

is their a way we can integrate with nature that does not come from a tyrannical greenie idealistic government?

[Usarka]

Wheelies?..

[MIXONE]

Wheelies?..

No.Burnouts!

[AllanB]

I've noticed on walks through the bush that some old trees have some pretty vaginal looking knot holes in them - one could always integrate with nature by inserting ones penis in before mentioned knot hole.

Is it alright if mother nature gives you a woody?

[Vgygrwr]

Have a look on the internet for "The Natural Step" from memory it was the first time I came across the term "sustainability" before it became a marketing tool.

Believe the origin was a Doctor researching the increased incidence of child cancer.

[Pussy]

How do we keep going would be a good question, too!
At any one time, apparently there are only about 54 days worth of food stocks in the world.
If every farmer decided to pull the pin for a while, we'd all soon be on our knees

[yachtie10]

personally I think if we keep increasing the population we are fucked
especially when some goverments are planning just that

[mashman]

Hmmmmm, no!

[2wheeldrifter]

I've noticed on walks through the bush that some old trees have some pretty vaginal looking knot holes in them - one could always integrate with nature by inserting ones penis in before mentioned knot hole.

Is it alright if mother nature gives you a woody?

Hmmm sounds dodgy Allan.. get the feeling you just what to fuck mother nature? :yes:

[cave weta]

According to the supreme intergalactic council.....


At a solemn meeting, the Council of 8 decided to intervene with their technology to clean Earth’s atmosphere before an environmental collapse occurs on Earth, as has happened on many other inhabited planets with civilizations similar to our own.

The Council of 8 have done so after reaching a conclusion that that our human technology could not now prevent an environmental collapse and species extinction on Earth from occuring.

This is a rare decision by the Council of 8, and is partly a result of Council members wishing to preserve the unique positive qualities of our human population.

The Council of 8, consists of the intelligent civilizations of the Pleiades, Orion, Sirius, Bootes, Alpha Centauri, Comsuli, Zeta Reticuli, and Pouseti.

This cleanup of the Earth’s atmosphere will commence in 2015 after a 2014 speech at the United Nations by the Council of 8’s Pleiadian representatives.

The Council of 8’s appearance in 2014 at the United Nation’s General Assembly will occur, following a collapse of the present world order and the emergence of a new way of living during the period 2010 – 2014.

This transitional 2010-14 period may be accompanied by possible earth changes, monetary collapse, and governmental and nation state collapse.


The regional galactic governance council (‘Council of 8’) had chosen New York City for an initial Oct 13, 2010 UFO 'decloaking' because it was a global, cosmopolitan city with a blasé population that would not be frightened of their appearance.

There are multiple, independent evidentiary sources that prove the Oct. 13, 2010 UFO sightings over New York City were the result of an intervention by a non-Earthly intelligent civilization, and not the result of other causes such as released balloons.

The original plan of the Council of 8, taken at a meeting in January 2010, had been for simultaneous UFO appearances on Oct 13, 2010 over major world cities.

The purpose of these Council of 8 UFO appearances, which are set to increase in the future, is to acclimatize Earth humans to the Council of 8's presence and decision to intervene.

The increased UFO sightings in the future are meant to lead up to a world speech by the Pleiadian representatives of the Council of 8 in the General Assembly hall at the United Nations in 2014.


It must be true- I read it on the Interweb!

[Forest]

Lets face it, our current consumption of resources is unsustainable

Why on earth would you think that was true? Hint - it isn't.

Are you trying to get into the pants of a hippie chick?

[jack_hamma]

Are you trying to get into the pants of a hippie hick?

Fixed it :yes:

[tri boy]

The answer is 18.

[Maha]

Just make Te Reo compulsory in school, no wait, they have been running with that idea since the late 70's. Nothing new to see here, move along please.

[EJK]

Lets face it, our current consumption of resources is unsustainable

is their a way we can integrate with nature that does not come from a tyrannical greenie idealistic government?

Yes</10char>

[riffer]

Here's a novel idea.

Lets get away from the whole concept of having to have the latest model of EVERYTHING every year or two. The latter half of the 20th Century introduced the concept of planned obsolescence, and it accelerated towards the end of the 20th Century by being incorporated with fashion.

Be happy with what you have; don't ditch it just because it isn't new, or cool.

That will make a massive difference.

[Mental Trousers]

Lets face it, our current consumption of resources is unsustainable

is their a way we can integrate with nature that does not come from a tyrannical greenie idealistic government?

The answer is simple; people consume resources. The more people there are, the more resources are consumed. Conversely, the fewer people there are, the fewer resources are consumed.

So the answer is: reduce the number of people on the planet.

To do this I think everyone should have to apply for a breeding licence. Only those deemed worthy would be allowed to produce the next generation of the human race.

I would generously offer my services as the head of the breeding licence agency.

carver mate, don't bother to apply for a licence ;)

[scumdog]

Lets face it, our current consumption of resources is unsustainable

is their a way we can integrate with nature that does not come from a tyrannical greenie idealistic government?

You stoned or what??

[Banditbandit]

Seriously ? I don't give a fuck ... the human race is a blot and the sooner it disapears the better the world will be ...

[puddytat]

:psst:
The self fullfilling prophecy that is the bible states that Armageddon will take care of us all,
& "the Meek shall inherit the earth":woohoo:
Due to my study of the aforementioned tome, I have concluded that there's a couple of typo's in the original scrolls.Where it says that the chosen 400000 odd shall rise up to heaven, leaving the screamin' heathens to wither in fire & brimstone,it is actually to sooth all those good religious types that have created so much division between peoples over the millenia & who continue to pay Tithes & lip service to the prophet while sinning 6 days out of seven:yes:
The other typo is in regards to the number of people spared from the impending doom. Its will be all the hardcore religious fanatics from all denominations that'll actually all fuck off & leave us in peace:shit::bye::woohoo: The figure of 40000 or 400000 ( cant be arsed to check exactly) is totally inaccurate as if you look at the scrolls you can see someone rubbed out an extra zero (or 2) meaning that the true number is approx 4 million,so my reasearch shows that if you take into account the religious types in NZ that'll rise up towards heaven that will leave 4 mill or so still left here.
The other thing is that Palestine is not the "chosen" land" . That was a clever idea to focus all the bullshit there....Imagine what'd happen if they had written that NZ is the chosen land & who in thier right mind would choose a fucking desert anyway?
Sleep in peace my friends, if any place has a shit show of handling "it", its got to be NZ:yes:
If you cant sleep then up your meds :drinkup::doobey:

[Banditbandit]

The other thing is that Palestine is not the "chosen" land" . .... who in thier right mind would choose a fucking desert anyway?


Shit .. it was Jehovah's con trick on the Jews ...

[imdying]

Given the humans and the earth a 100% guaranteed to cease to exist at some point, what does it even matter? Enjoy a slice while you can, it won't be here forever.

[mashman]

The answer is simple; people consume resources. The more people there are, the more resources are consumed. Conversely, the fewer people there are, the fewer resources are consumed.

So the answer is: reduce the number of people on the planet.


No it's not. The answer, as Riffer says, is to stop producing useless shit. A TV is a TV, a pair of shoes is a pair of shoes, a car is a car and so on... If you ddon't make it, there's nothing to buy... but there's profit involved and all of those people that would be out of work etc... and you can't legally force private enterprise not to produce :) But don't worry, those that matter see it your way :yes:



To do this I think everyone should have to apply for a breeding licence. Only those deemed worthy would be allowed to produce the next generation of the human race.


Don't worry, Bill Gates and friends have it covered (http://www.sott.net/articles/show/209419-Bill-Gates-Funds-Covert-Vaccine-Nanotechnology)



I would generously offer my services as the head of the breeding licence agency.


You'll need a bunch of Testees (spelling :shifty:) then



carver mate, don't bother to apply for a licence ;)


Honda riders can adopt can't they?

[avgas]

Shit .. it was Jehovah's con trick on the Jews ...
Wait until he tells you that it was 13 dwarfs who wrote the worlds best seller.
Poor bastards forgot to put their names on the front cover.
Thank goodness they remembered to put their names on the parts they wrote.

They got guest authors to do "fill in" chapters. Rumor stands that JK Rowling wrote the Genesis chapter.

[NinjaNanna]

I contend that over population is our single biggest threat, I posted this a while back - didn't get as much feedback as I thought I would...especially seeing as on the surface it appears extremely sexist.


I've been thinking on population control again today for no good reason.

I began contemplating mass contraception, what I arrived at was this:



In times of war governments have no problem imposing conscription or mandatory military service, why? Because they beleive they are fighting for a just and important cause.

What if after giving birth, every women was given an injection, effectively this injection would be a 50/50 lottery as to whether they were given a placebo or a long term birthcontrol drug. Instantly we would bring the birth rates of all countries into decline. All couples would be able to have one child 50% of couples could have 2 or more, 25% could have 3 or more, 12.5% could have 4 or more. But most importantly the birth rate would be less than 2.

Being a blind lottery many ethical considerations could be negated. Negative effects experienced by the Chinese One Child policy would be reduced. By freeing the women of developing countries from constant child rearing they could then engage in education and employment (the only real world non legislative way of addressing birth rates).

With a reducing population the world would have the breathing space it needs to address the environmental problems that we have.

[scissorhands]

Capitalism and corporatism require constant growth rather than a politic of enough.

Since you have scarcely learned the elements of self-control, in psychism, you must suffer bad consequences. You draw to yourself the nearest and strongest influences " often evil " and absorb them, and are psychically stifled or narcotised by them. The airs become peopled with resuscitated phantoms. They give you false tokens, misleading revelations, deceptive images. Your vivid creative fancy evokes illusive ministers, and puts into their mouths words coined the instant before in the mint of your mind, unknown to yourself. The false appear as real, as the true, and you have no exact method of detection since you are yet prone to force your communications to agree with your preconceptions.:shutup:

[tri boy]

The planet is winning at my place.
Bloody lawns, weeds, bird life, insects, flowers...........all going ape shit in this spring weather.
Sick of mowing bloody lawns, and trying(and losing) the battle with weeds.:angry2:

If another fantail wags it's tail, then poops on the the garden bench, i'll bloody..........smile at the cute wee buggar.:sunny:
Nature rocks, we will never beat it. MHO

[cave weta]

Maitreya (http://www.share-international.org/) has all the answers- follow the gourd!

actually- on a serious note, mashman and I have been awake enough to notice that something special is happening.
all through winter, a very bright star has been visible at an elevation of about 25degrees in the west.
brighter than any other star or planet. it is there in our sunsets and if it were venus or mars it would have been there only
for a month or so and would rise and set at different times. this is there in the same spot each evening. Its there now and will be till about
9 pm. go look and then read this link above.

[AllanB]

Hmmm sounds dodgy Allan.. get the feeling you just what to fuck mother nature? :yes:

Well shes 'asking for it' - she keeps exposing the crack of dawn to me .....:innocent:

[ellipsis]

Seriously ? I don't give a fuck ... the human race is a blot and the sooner it disapears the better the world will be ...

....cant we just do a deal with someone....those 8 union members from space , probably..... and swap the human race for a street race...see if we can ship the honda haters outta here too...

[puddytat]

Maitreya (http://http://www.share-international.org/) has all the answers- follow the gourd!

actually- on a serious note, mashman and I have been awake enough to notice that something special is happening.
all through winter, a very bright star has been visible at an elevation of about 25degrees in the west.
brighter than any other star or planet. it is there in our sunsets and if it were venus or mars it would have been there only
for a month or so and would rise and set at different times. this is there in the same spot each evening. Its there now and will be till about
9 pm. go look and then read this link above.

The Feds are onto you & removed the link.....or internet explorer is on the blink again:blink:
Yeah Id noticed it too,I thought it was the planet that the aliens are hiding behind....waiting for the right moment to come out & multiply & take over.
:soon:

The only way we'll start again is if we're forced to...& only Mother Earth is strong enough to do it.
Or Aliens.
We are all just to opinionated & pigheaded to do it, & selfish I may add. Such a shame.

[cave weta]

The Feds are onto you & removed the link.....or internet explorer is on the blink again:blink:
Yeah Id noticed it too,I thought it was the planet that the aliens are hiding behind....waiting for the right moment to come out & multiply & take over.
:soon:

The only way we'll start again is if we're forced to...& only Mother Earth is strong enough to do it.
Or Aliens.
We are all just to opinionated & pigheaded to do it, & selfish I may add. Such a shame.

Link fixed- too many http//.

Other news is that massive UFO display over major cities on October 13.
thousends of witnesses and hundreds of videos and the Governments say that its weather balloons again! Check YouTube New York UFOs
as that was happening an entire chinese village is said to have dissapeared under a massive glow of purple light- news releases have been blocked and soldiers now block the roads into the area.

this morning we have the earhquake, tsunami and eruption in indonesia.
10 years ago I had all this shown to me and slowly I have watched it elevate to this.
I have had it explained to me in great detail about what is going on with the planet and how the new world order -who are above the visible governments have manipulated economies and the population's minds to suit their own agenda.
The planet will survive and so will those that roll with it.
unfortunately that is only about 10% of us.
In short... The Hippies were right.
It is kinda humbling yet exciting to be alive in these times

[avgas]

Yeah but its not the end of the world.
Its just my 30th.

You guys should come, will be a pretty big thing. Its on 21/12/12

[Banditbandit]

Maitreya (http://www.share-international.org/) has all the answers- follow the gourd!

actually- on a serious note, mashman and I have been awake enough to notice that something special is happening.
all through winter, a very bright star has been visible at an elevation of about 25degrees in the west.
brighter than any other star or planet. it is there in our sunsets and if it were venus or mars it would have been there only
for a month or so and would rise and set at different times. this is there in the same spot each evening. Its there now and will be till about
9 pm. go look and then read this link above.

Ya just gotta be shitting us ... Look what happened when "a star" appeared 2,000 years ago .. Apocolyptic prophets ? The Jews had the right idea .. kill them quickly ..

[NinjaNanna]

if that's the case: wft does "meek" mean?

never mind I looked it up.

[davebullet]

1. Is any government legislating quality?

2. Notice how quantity is getting smaller in items you buy to keep the price from going up? You can only reduce your use so much, before you end up buying 2 of whatever the item is - adding to landfill and resources required to produce the extra packaging.

3. Making dumping fees / garbage removal horrendous. Introduce fees on recyclable processing as well.

The above 3 points will defer the inevitable - but not eliminate it. Only getting rid of people or genetically engineering the greed gene out of us is the ultimate solution (as well as capping the population).

Put it this way - if we don't curb ourselves, mother nature will use her gavel. Sadly for humans (and every other species we take with us) her decision will be final and irreversible.

[mashman]

a gel contraceptive (http://uk.health.lifestyle.yahoo.net/contraceptive-gel-could-replace-the-pill.htm)...

[SPman]

Why do we need to start again?

[cave weta]

a gel contraceptive (http://uk.health.lifestyle.yahoo.net/contraceptive-gel-could-replace-the-pill.htm)...

Believe it or not- BILL GATES FOUNDATION is funding the reasearch into covert birth control and vaccination.

misting in airports and sports stadiums, covert ingredients put into moisterisers and sunscreens.
http://www.naturalnews.com/028887_vaccines_Bill_Gates.html

[mashman]

Why do we need to start again?

Whatever are you suggesting :)


Believe it or not- BILL GATES FOUNDATION is funding the reasearch into covert birth control and vaccination.

misting in airports and sports stadiums, covert ingredients put into moisterisers and sunscreens.
http://www.naturalnews.com/028887_vaccines_Bill_Gates.html

I posted something similar earlier, wonder where i got the link from :shifty:

[puddytat]

I take solace in being in the right pace at the right time...its not everyday you get to witness the downfall of a civilisation. The last one was the Romans wasnt it?
According to Dr Tim Flannery we're really lucky to have made it this far due to the penny pinchers of the Refridgeration industries.....way back in the 50's they made the decision to standardise the refrigerent used in refridgeration, opting to use the cheaper Chlorine instead of the more betterer Bromine. If we'd stuck with Bromine which is a bazzillion times more ozone deadly than Chlorine by the time we'd realised we had a problem (Huston) we wouldnt have been able to stop the avalanche of Atmospheric degradation & we'd all be deep fried by now:yes:
Now that decision ties in nicely with what cave weta is saying, because if that'd happened it wouldve upset the prophecies & people wouldve absolutely freaked, whereas if it happens according to schedule then people will quietly accept it & dream of heaven. Good, then they can fuck off & we just got to wait 400 odd years until "Heaven on Earth"(tm)
Tis a bit of a shame that weve come so far & let our greed for filthy luchre (money) stop us from doing anything about it:facepalm:
Actually its not a shame...its just fucking stupid:stupid:

[Toaster]

If every farmer decided to pull the pin for a while, we'd all soon be on our knees

That would be a disaster. No milk for my coffee.... anarchy!

[puddytat]

Believe it or not- BILL GATES FOUNDATION is funding the reasearch into covert birth control and vaccination.

misting in airports and sports stadiums, covert ingredients put into moisterisers and sunscreens.
http://www.naturalnews.com/028887_vaccines_Bill_Gates.html

The Blahble predicts the false profit (lucifer) arriving before the true profit , and will be known by his preaching peace ,love & understanding. I thought it was Barrack for a while, but maybe its Bill.
I see a right wing Christian a lurking in da Bush('s):ar15:

[cave weta]

The Blahble predicts the false profit (lucifer) arriving before the true profit , and will be known by his preaching peace ,love & understanding. I thought it was Barrack for a while, but maybe its Bill.
I see a right wing Christian a lurking in da Bush('s):ar15:

And Im wondering who this Maitreya character is? Im googling flat out to find more.
has anyone found a US government statement yet with regard to the UFOs in the sky above NYC two weeks ago?- the videos were amazing.

[Laava]

Believe it or not- BILL GATES FOUNDATION is funding the reasearch into covert birth control and vaccination.

misting in airports and sports stadiums, covert ingredients put into moisterisers and sunscreens.
http://www.naturalnews.com/028887_vaccines_Bill_Gates.html

If they did the same with McDonalds, KFC and BK????? Hmmmmmm!

[puddytat]

And Im wondering who this Maitreya character is? Im googling flat out to find more.
has anyone found a US government statement yet with regard to the UFOs in the sky above NYC two weeks ago?- the videos were amazing.

BEWARE THE EVIL EYE

Sometimes "IN GOD WE TRUST'' is not the right place to find the truth

[mashman]

Sometimes "IN GOD WE TRUST'' is not the right place to find the truth

How do you know...:msn-wink:

[avgas]

BEWARE THE EVIL EYE

Sometimes "IN GOD WE THRUST'' is not the right place to find the truth
Fixed it for you:banana:

[mashman]

Maybe Carver is Maitreya :msn-wink:

[marie_speeds]

I think it's all those polygamist marriages and resulting hoard of offspring... No wonder the world's resources are running out.

[mashman]

I think it's all those polygamist marriages and resulting hoard of offspring... No wonder the world's resources are running out.

you might want to reconsider that thinking thing :killingme (yeah yeah, pot kettle etc...)

[mashman]

Here ya go Carver... Jacque Fresco's idea of the future (http://www.thevenusproject.com/a-new-social-design/resource-based-economy). Pretty much the way it should be and potentially could be. But they don't "promote" a roadmap for the way forwards... you're gonna have to come up with that yourself. Not as hard as you might think :), but you still have to "convince" the rest of society... that's the real problem :yes:

[NinjaNanna]

basically communism, mind you there's nothing wrong with properly run communist states

[mashman]

basically communism, mind you there's nothing wrong with properly run communist states

I guess so. I've never really found a "solid" definition of Communism... there always seem to be theoretical variants and/or translations that muddy the waters, and the fact that some form of financial system has always been involved, accompanied by an all powerful leadership, kinda leans me away from calling it communism... but they do seem to share HUGE similarities... "Resource Based Economy" sounds so much nicerer :lol:

[carver]

basically communism, mind you there's nothing wrong with properly run communist states

sorry, I am a capitalist 100%

[NinjaNanna]

Well that's the first thing to get rid of when we start again.

[Winston001]

The fundamental problem is too many people. We live on a finite planet where the human animal has been too successful. Arguably we passed population limit at 2 billion.

The consequence is we are poisoning our environment. We are also using up the planets resources which are not unlimited. There is all sorts of evidence of our pollution such as the high rate of extinctions, acidification of the ocean (from absorption of CO2), mass death of bees, frogs etc ad infinitum.

The answer?

Either agreed population control with a decline over 5 generations to 2 billion;

Or, continue life as we know it up till about 2030 at which point the biosphere will collapse, mass starvation, wars, disease, general Armageddon-like slow landslide across the globe.

I pick the latter because humans simply do not make hard choices until its too late. But the wealthy nations will have enough resources and weapons to get through - which reverses karma oddly enough. :facepalm:

[Ocean1]

reverses karma oddly enough. :facepalm:

Best descrtiption of Darwinism I've heard today.

[mashman]

The fundamental problem is too many people. We live on a finite planet where the human animal has been too successful. Arguably we passed population limit at 2 billion.


I don't agree that that's the fundamental problem at all. You understand my feelings towards the financial system i'm sure. That, at this present moment in time, is the fundamental problem. Remove unnecessary resource usage and the planet will start to clean itself. After all, we only need power, food and water to survive anything :yes: Between us we have everything we need to survive. I have an Aprilia, which I may lend you :shifty:, someone else may have a Honda... I've got a lawn mower that uses petrol, a weed whacker that uses lecky... but I could easy replace both with one of the old push powered mowers... after all I still have to walk across the same pieces of grass to mow the same lawn... there are a billion and 1 sensible things we could do to dramatically change our pollution levels (if they're not life threatening to begin with) and resource consumption... You must have a few "savings" you could make yourself?

Other than that I agree with the rest of what you said... but it won't be as pretty as you describe. IF it all goes to shit, the big problem will be the lack of water maintenance and food production. If they're not covered, irrespective of natural disaster or societal implosion, then we're all going to lose, even those that have shit loads of money :yes: after all, if the water is tainted or not flowing, we really are fucked. What if the water engineers haven't survived? Who will fix it? no amount of money will find you that person. You can't buy food if it isn't being produced.

There are tough decisions to be made. But the toughest of all (getting rid of the financial system), could well be the one that tips the balance back in the favour of humans... You'll still have to maintain water facilities, you'll still have to produce food whether you have "money" or not. But that's my take :)

[puddytat]

:laugh:It all started when we gave this planet the wrong name....Earth.
Its 3/4 water isnt it?:yes:

Maybe a new way to start would be to create a new religion?:blink::gob:
One we can all believe in
One that is free
One that suits us all as individuals
One that requires no Diety or prophet
One that we all unknowingly practice nearly every day
One that needs no handbook
One that encompasses all Denominations, Races, Creeds
One we can all understand
One that always makes us feel better when we do it
One that we instinctively practice from an early age
One that makes us feel better about ourselves
One that brings out passion , conviction yet is totally non violent
And one that unites all .......

It has a name ......& in these times of plenty when there really should be less of a need for this one universal reliigion, more & more practice it daily.
So to give it a name is important to some , so Ill tell you the word & the word is....WHINING:yeah:

[mashman]

So to give it a name is important to some , so Ill tell you the word & the word is....WHINING:yeah:

i'm up for that

http://www.express.be/pictures/240x250/saleshr/wijnproeverij.jpg

[puddytat]

See, another painless conversion.:yes:
Im up for it too, but I be off to bed:love::devil2:

[mashman]

See, another painless conversion.:yes:
Im up for it too, but I be off to bed:love::devil2:

painless until the morning comes... but yes, i have seen the light, although I preferred the dark rich red of the Rioja...

[NinjaNanna]

:laugh:It all started when we gave this planet the wrong name....Earth.
Its 3/4 water isnt it?:yes:

Maybe a new way to start would be to create a new religion?:blink::gob:
One we can all believe in
One that is free
One that suits us all as individuals
One that requires no Diety or prophet
One that we all unknowingly practice nearly every day
One that needs no handbook
One that encompasses all Denominations, Races, Creeds
One we can all understand
One that always makes us feel better when we do it
One that we instinctively practice from an early age
One that makes us feel better about ourselves
One that brings out passion , conviction yet is totally non violent
And one that unites all .......

It already exists for real but we chose to ignore it ... it was said "I shall write the law upon your heart" it is a universal law, we could throw away every religious text today and if this is true and we choose to listen to it, we could thrive and flourish.

[Banditbandit]

:laugh:It all started when we gave this planet the wrong name....Earth.
Its 3/4 water isnt it?:yes:

Maybe a new way to start would be to create a new religion?:blink::gob:
One we can all believe in
One that is free
One that suits us all as individuals
One that requires no Diety or prophet
One that we all unknowingly practice nearly every day
One that needs no handbook
One that encompasses all Denominations, Races, Creeds
One we can all understand
One that always makes us feel better when we do it
One that we instinctively practice from an early age
One that makes us feel better about ourselves
One that brings out passion , conviction yet is totally non violent
And one that unites all .......

It has a name ......& in these times of plenty when there really should be less of a need for this one universal reliigion, more & more practice it daily.


Sounds to me like you're describing the dharma (Buddhism)

[mashman]

It's the collective that make things hard. The groups who think that they're better than everyone else because they think alike :blink:, therefore they must be right... the ones who think they know better because they know more stuff than the other people do (whereas, in reality, the other people just know different stuff, but not as important :blink:), have more money, have status, have power... you meet them day in and day out, most likely sit next to them at work (and still get on, shock horror) or read their "thoughts" on internet forums (yes i do see the irony in all of the above tyvm)...

It's those groups that stop mankind from "evolving", because they feel that mankind needs guidance and control... to a certain extent they're right, but not implementing the "guidelines" through law and threat, but through education. Not just school education, but the education of acceptance not capitulation, the education of self and not conformity, the education of trust, courtesy, consideration blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda etc etc etc on and on and on :rofl:... fuckin easy, yet the most elusive things on the planet, because we're not in "control" of ourselves, and some of that is by choice.

Chuck the financial system and most of that will come to fruition pretty damn quickly.

[Winston001]

I take solace in being in the right pace at the right time...its not everyday you get to witness the downfall of a civilisation. The last one was the Romans wasnt it?


Er...no.

The Roman civilisation fell as a consequence of military and political failure. It was sliced up by new dynamic armies, not because the Romans ran out of resources and had too many people.

However there are historical parallels: Easter Island is the classic example. It was once a vibrant society until they cut down all the trees......when discovered by European explorers there were a few hundred starving wretches left alive. This is a civilisation which built the Moai, no small feat on a remote Pacific Island.

Or consider the collapse of the Mesopotamian Civilisation. Its regarded as the birthplace of modern civilisation (agriculture, cities) yet collapsed very suddenly because of excess population and poisoned land from irrigation.

Murray-Darling Basin ring a bell.....??:facepalm:

[puddytat]

Its like we're all singing the same tune but we cant agree on the lyrics eh
Comes down to eveyone one being responsible for thier actions, based on basic moral integrity...

[mashman]

Its like we're all singing the same tune but we cant agree on the lyrics eh
Comes down to eveyone one being responsible for thier actions, based on basic moral integrity...

I'd like to build a world a home
and furnish it with love.
Grow apple trees and honey bees
and snow white turtle doves.

There's nothing you can do that can't be done.
Nothing you can sing that can't be sung.
Nothing you can say but you can learn how to play the game
It's easy.
There's nothing you can make that can't be made.
No one you can save that can't be saved.
Nothing you can do but you can learn how to be you
in time - It's easy.

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

I'm all for moral law and capital justice where necessary.

[Brett]

What do you get when you have over consumption due to excessive demand with limited supply?....


Extinction.

Adapt or die mother fuckers.

[mashman]

What do you get when you have over consumption due to excessive demand with limited supply?....


You get price fixing :yes:. No more, no less. With NO concern for the human cost. It's business, not personal :blink: (I DETEST that disassociation term with a passion)... that's the attitude that's fucking us up.



Extinction.

Adapt or die mother fuckers.

The dying bit is pretty inevitable :) Failing cataclysmic disaster, extinction is avoidable.

[puddytat]

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

I'm all for moral law and capital justice where necessary.

Twas exactly that song I had in mind with that last post......
And Im also in agreement with you on Capital punishment, with the way the place is going especially in the West we need to change our thoughts on the Right to Life, and its supposed rights asscociated with it. Its not a Right, its a Privilege... If you want the "privileges" that go with then you need to earn them,& this has nothing to do with money by the way, but everything to do with being an asset to our society & worth the time & space you occupy.

[mashman]

Twas exactly that song I had in mind with that last post......
And Im also in agreement with you on Capital punishment, with the way the place is going especially in the West we need to change our thoughts on the Right to Life, and its supposed rights asscociated with it. Its not a Right, its a Privilege... If you want the "privileges" that go with then you need to earn them,& this has nothing to do with money by the way, but everything to do with being an asset to our society & worth the time & space you occupy.

Agreed. :) it does transcend the financial system thing. Although that could only help in the reduction of crime rates. Fancy starting a political party :blink:

[NinjaNanna]

How does 1 person make a difference? The only way I can see us changing things is at a political level. To make that change is going to take guts.

The only thing politicians listen to is votes (not voters). I garantee that if at the next election there was a huge swing to the Greens then the major parties would sit up and take note and we might see some more progressive gutsy policy and action come out of the major parties.

The idea of living with the Greens in power is a little worrying but if that's what it takes to get things happening on a wider level then I think its worth it.

[puddytat]

Im kind of thinking the same thing....just started a thread on politicians with integrity to get an idea of where the sentiment lies & with whom. Maybe individuals with merit & not parties might be the future, try & get rid of this "colour" association problem people seem to have...so many seem to be put off by the colour of thier hoardings, or of thier party flag & so blinker themselves to the good ideas & policies they might have:facepalm:
I too, have been guilty of this...

[puddytat]

How does 1 person make a difference? The only way I can see us changing things is at a political level. To make that change is going to take guts.

The only thing politicians listen to is votes (not voters). I garantee that if at the next election there was a huge swing to the Greens then the major parties would sit up and take note and we might see some more progressive gutsy policy and action come out of the major parties.

The idea of living with the Greens in power is a little worrying but if that's what it takes to get things happening on a wider level then I think its worth it.

"you got to spread it round before..."
Tis what I alluded to in that last post

[mashman]

How does 1 person make a difference? The only way I can see us changing things is at a political level. To make that change is going to take guts.

The only thing politicians listen to is votes (not voters). I garantee that if at the next election there was a huge swing to the Greens then the major parties would sit up and take note and we might see some more progressive gutsy policy and action come out of the major parties.

The idea of living with the Greens in power is a little worrying but if that's what it takes to get things happening on a wider level then I think its worth it.

Aye, it does have to be at the political level... the alternative being unthinkable :shifty:... revolution.

If the Green Party could be slightly more realistic towards environmental issues (i'm sure they are, but that's not how it comes across) and accept the pace of the political process and the Maori Party, yes the Maori Party, could be a little more open to the idea of a shared New Zealand (i'm sure they are, but that's not how it comes across) and the pair could get together and agree on policies that make sense for New Zealanders as a single people (i bet there are shitloads of policies that need brought into the 21st century), then maybe, just maybe you could swing a few more 10's of thousands of votes. Think of all of those people who don't vote because there's noone to vote for, same shit, different colour :).

[avgas]

I'd like to build a world a home
and furnish it with love.
Grow apple trees and honey bees
and snow white turtle doves.

There's nothing you can do that can't be done.
Nothing you can sing that can't be sung.
Nothing you can say but you can learn how to play the game
It's easy.
There's nothing you can make that can't be made.
No one you can save that can't be saved.
Nothing you can do but you can learn how to be you
in time - It's easy.

Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will live as one

I'm all for moral law and capital justice where necessary.
This is a rather eerie version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuY4qp1DsBM

[mashman]

This is a rather eerie version

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuY4qp1DsBM

Depressing to watch and listen too :shifty:

[mashman]

The other side of the coin? :shifty:

Imagine there's no freedom
It's easy if you try
Just raise a slight suspicion
A valid reason to pry
Imagine all the people
Fearing every day - ha ha ha ha ha

Imagine there's no ambition
It isn't hard to do
Just smash away at passion
Slowly turn the screw
Imagine all the people
Living with no heart - ha ha ha ha ha

You may say I'm a dreamer
But i'm not the only one
I hope some day you will join us
And show the world how it should be run.

Imagine there's no questions
I wonder if you can
Sew schemes and laws together
For the smother hood of man
Imagine all the people
Agreeing to our lies - ha ha ha ha ha

You may say I'm a dreamer
But i'm not the only one.
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be run as one.