Give them a break!

[Toaster]

I would like to see all the gutless whimps that constantly criticize police behind their keyboards try this job. A little less selfish focus on the self-proclaimed right to the roads above all others, and a bit more community spirit would be nice to see, and needed more than ever.

Cops are human and not perfect, but they have a job to do that revolves around keeping the peace both on the roads and our homes when needed. They get held personally resonsible for their actions. Personal responsibility for our own actions - now that is a novel concept lost on the stupid....

NEWS:
A Hamilton policewoman drew a gun on a group of men assaulting her partner after a Taser failed to subdue them.

A constable was left with a bloodied eye following the fracas, which stemmed from a domestic incident in Fairfield.

A female senior sergeant twice unsuccessfully used a Taser on three men who had piled on top of her constable colleague, beating him. She eventually drew her firearm as she awaited backup.

City area commander Inspector Rob Lindsay the officers were leaving the Marshall Ave address after attending the callout related to a heated argument between the 55-year-old father of the family at the address and his 34-year-old son and other people at the house.

As the police were leaving the father arrived and confronted them.

"A Taser was deployed and used twice on the father [one of the trio]," Mr Lindsay said.

"Despite making contact it had little effect."

The man's 34 and 18-year-old sons joined in the assault with the female officer drawing her firearm to stop them.

"I am very proud of my staff in that they were not afraid to use the whole range of tactical options available from trying to reason with the offenders to using their batons then pepper spray, a taser and eventually deploying a firearm to quell the situation," Mr Lindsay said.

"What concerns me the most is my staff, one of who suffered damage to an eye, were called to the address to help the people there and in turn were set upon by the occupants. This should not just be unacceptable to Police but to the community as a whole."

Three men were to face a variety of charges including aggravated assault and resisting police while a woman at the property was also charged with obstructing police.

[phill-k]

I would like to see all the gutless whimps that constantly criticize police behind their keyboards try this job. A little less selfish focus on the self-proclaimed right to the roads above all others, and a bit more community spirit would be nice to see, and needed more than ever.

Cops are human and not perfect, but they have a job to do that revolves around keeping the peace both on the roads and our homes when needed. They get held personally resonsible for their actions. Personal responsibility for our own actions - now that is a novel concept lost on the stupid....

NEWS:
A Hamilton policewoman drew a gun on a group of men assaulting her partner after a Taser failed to subdue them.

A constable was left with a bloodied eye following the fracas, which stemmed from a domestic incident in Fairfield.

A female senior sergeant twice unsuccessfully used a Taser on three men who had piled on top of her constable colleague, beating him. She eventually drew her firearm as she awaited backup.

City area commander Inspector Rob Lindsay the officers were leaving the Marshall Ave address after attending the callout related to a heated argument between the 55-year-old father of the family at the address and his 34-year-old son and other people at the house.

As the police were leaving the father arrived and confronted them.

"A Taser was deployed and used twice on the father [one of the trio]," Mr Lindsay said.

"Despite making contact it had little effect."

The man's 34 and 18-year-old sons joined in the assault with the female officer drawing her firearm to stop them.

"I am very proud of my staff in that they were not afraid to use the whole range of tactical options available from trying to reason with the offenders to using their batons then pepper spray, a taser and eventually deploying a firearm to quell the situation," Mr Lindsay said.

"What concerns me the most is my staff, one of who suffered damage to an eye, were called to the address to help the people there and in turn were set upon by the occupants. This should not just be unacceptable to Police but to the community as a whole."

Three men were to face a variety of charges including aggravated assault and resisting police while a woman at the property was also charged with obstructing police.

Totally agree with you, unfortunately our NZ society, or should I say the minority element that causes a large percentage of the issues we have on our roads and the violence we see in our communities take little heed of warnings, pleadings ect ect.
Until we face up to this and start to insist our courts inflict upon these individuals punishment that they will take notice off we will see little change.
Likewise the police insistence that by stopping us all speeding and drinking will bring our road toll down will not work. The small element that causes the issues surrounding high speed loss of control and true drunken driving won't take notice until the penalty for such behaviour is substantial enough to deter. After all look at the numbers of repeat offenders that continually ignore the law and the minor consequences received when caught.

[merv]

I would like to see all the gutless whimps that constantly criticize police behind their keyboards try this job.

This bit equally applies to the teachers!

As for the guy tasered, sounds like he had some sort of immune gene that the taser had no effect on him.

[phill-k]

As for the guy tasered, sounds like he had some sort of immune gene that the taser had no effect on him.

Its call "P"

[Banditbandit]

Yes .. No .. Maybe ...

Yes, we need police, and yes, they are only human, and yes they do a necessary job that not everyone wants ...

No .. I've been on the receiving end of some pretty bad treatment by cops in the past ... unjustified, illegal and not necessary ...

Maybe ... I wish our police were above reproach .. but they are not ..

[HenryDorsetCase]

I would like to see all the gutless whimps that constantly criticize police behind their keyboards try this job. A little less selfish focus on the self-proclaimed right to the roads above all others, and a bit more community spirit would be nice to see, and needed more than ever.

Cops are human and not perfect, but they have a job to do that revolves around keeping the peace both on the roads and our homes when needed. They get held personally resonsible for their actions. Personal responsibility for our own actions - now that is a novel concept lost on the stupid....

NEWS:
A Hamilton policewoman drew a gun on a group of men assaulting her partner after a Taser failed to subdue them.

A constable was left with a bloodied eye following the fracas, which stemmed from a domestic incident in Fairfield.

A female senior sergeant twice unsuccessfully used a Taser on three men who had piled on top of her constable colleague, beating him. She eventually drew her firearm as she awaited backup.

City area commander Inspector Rob Lindsay the officers were leaving the Marshall Ave address after attending the callout related to a heated argument between the 55-year-old father of the family at the address and his 34-year-old son and other people at the house.

As the police were leaving the father arrived and confronted them.

"A Taser was deployed and used twice on the father [one of the trio]," Mr Lindsay said.

"Despite making contact it had little effect."

The man's 34 and 18-year-old sons joined in the assault with the female officer drawing her firearm to stop them.

"I am very proud of my staff in that they were not afraid to use the whole range of tactical options available from trying to reason with the offenders to using their batons then pepper spray, a taser and eventually deploying a firearm to quell the situation," Mr Lindsay said.

"What concerns me the most is my staff, one of who suffered damage to an eye, were called to the address to help the people there and in turn were set upon by the occupants. This should not just be unacceptable to Police but to the community as a whole."

Three men were to face a variety of charges including aggravated assault and resisting police while a woman at the property was also charged with obstructing police.

do you see what the problem is? she only "drew" the firearm.

she would have been entirely justified in painting it. Perhaps a nice watercolour, or even oil painting.


Then she could have shot the scumbags. Three scumbags, two shots each, leaves 9 shots for other scumbags. Provided she could do it without harming the plod on the ground of course.

[HenryDorsetCase]

double post post double

[mashman]

Agreed... They do have an unbelievably shitty job at times, dealing with the scum that we leave them to deal with. No matter how close knit a community is, these things will never stop happening. People will be people and in the heat of a moment may live to do something they'll regret later, even when officers of the law are involved... they are only human after all...

Fines and laws will not stop these 10's of thousands of individuals that really don't give a shit who you are... in fact in plenty of cases i'd say they'll have the opposite effect.

Bravo to the plod, tis a job I couldn't do.

[Edbear]

Yes .. No .. Maybe ...

Snip...

No .. I've been on the receiving end of some pretty bad treatment by cops in the past ... unjustified, illegal and not necessary ...

..

Why? Where were you and what were you doing to attract their attention? They don't just drive/wander around looking for a likely victim to abuse and set upon them unprovoked. That's what teenage scumbags from South Auckland do...

[Genie]

I'd not be a copper for anything, damn hard job and society has stuff all respect for the Police these days, or has it always been that way? where only the law abiding have the respect and the naughty ones have none, no respect for societies law so no respect for the law enforcer. eeek, that word enforcer...police some are good some are crap. I've been naughty in my youth and in every dealing with the police I've been dealt fairly and with respect, amazing really, I was a right shit and didnt' deserve it. One of my friends is a policemen, he's a little arrogant and aloof, but, I think he needs to be, some of the shit he has to deal with and the drunks!!!! Drunks and violence.....not pretty!

[White trash]

I would like to see all the gutless whimps that constantly criticize police behind their keyboards try this job.

Gutless am I?

Fuck the police man, fuck em. That's what I say. Fuck em.

I'm a fucken badass.

[Banditbandit]

Why? Where were you and what were you doing to attract their attention? They don't just drive/wander around looking for a likely victim to abuse and set upon them unprovoked. That's what teenage scumbags from South Auckland do...

Just riding bikes ... long hair ... scruffy looking ..

Unjustified search for drugs ...

Racist crap ...

Bullying (they once told my mate in the pub he was too drunk to ride .. he pointed at me and said "He's riding ..." They accepted that ... I was drunk as ..l. my mate was completely sober because he'd just walked in ... caught us just around the corner .. him on the front ... took keys ... "You're too drunk to ride" no breath test - no blood test ... no charges - just the hassle of pushing a bike about a mile to a safe lockup ... )

Searched several times while walking home at around 9pm in the evening ... minding my own business ... they never found anything

Stopped and questioned about my whereabouts three nights before .. two nights before .. where are you going now ... doing nothing except minding my own business ... let me go on my way .. just a hallse ...

Cop kicking my bike on the side of the road ... kicking the mufflers, kicking the side panels ...

Watched cops clear a house "the party's too noisey - everyone's leaving " .. including throwing one person across a porch rail, he sustained sever bruising to the kidney and spent time in hospital - when the house was cleared they asked to speak to the occupant .. and were then told "The person in the ambulance, the one you threw across the porch railings ..."

Jeez .. the list goes all the way back to the early 70s .. heaps of examples ..

[Edbear]

Just riding bikes ... long hair ... scruffy looking ..

Unjustified search for drugs ...

Racist crap ...

Bullying (they once told my mate in the pub he was too drunk to ride .. he pointed at me and said "He's riding ..." They accepted that ... I was drunk as ..l. my mate was completely sober because he'd just walked in ... caught us just around the corner .. him on the front ... took keys ... "You're too drunk to ride" no breath test - no blood test ... no charges - just the hassle of pushing a bike about a mile to a safe lockup ... )

Searched several times while walking home at around 9pm in the evening ... minding my own business ... they never found anything

Stopped and questioned about my whereabouts three nights before .. two nights before .. where are you going now ... doing nothing except minding my own business ... let me go on my way .. just a hallse ...

Cop kicking my bike on the side of the road ... kicking the mufflers, kicking the side panels ...

Watched cops clear a house "the party's too noisey - everyone's leaving " .. including throwing one person across a porch rail, he sustained sever bruising to the kidney and spent time in hospital - when the house was cleared they asked to speak to the occupant .. and were then told "The person in the ambulance, the one you threw across the porch railings ..."

Jeez .. the list goes all the way back to the early 70s .. heaps of examples ..

So therein lies the conundrum. My story is the direct opposite of yours, so why is that? Why is it that two innocent people can have so different life stories? Why can you attract unjustified and undeserved prejudicial attention from the Police while I can have a dream run with not one incidence of undeserved harrasment? Why have I always been treated with respect from the Police and you haven't?

[SMOKEU]

Its call "P"

P for penis?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Gutless am I?

Fuck the police man, fuck em. That's what I say. Fuck em.

I'm a fucken badass.

No no:

HELP the po lice, Help help help the Po lice. Tuesday is NWA day.


Help help help the po lice

ooarT3cn8_o

[Banditbandit]

So therein lies the conundrum. My story is the direct opposite of yours, so why is that? Why is it that two innocent people can have so different life stories? Why can you attract unjustified and undeserved prejudicial attention from the Police while I can have a dream run with not one incidence of undeserved harrasment? Why have I always been treated with respect from the Police and you haven't?

Mate ... I'm a rebel ... always have been, always will be ... My childhood heroes were Ulrich Meinhoff and Sonny Barger (Google the names you young pups ) and I completely identified with Jim Fixx ... I don't bow down and cower before ANY authority ...

Society has ways of dealing to people like me .. and the police, those fine upholders of society's mores ... are one way of dealing with people like me ... if not by arrest ... then by harrassment etc etc ...

As soon as you don't toe the line then you're going to be a target ... it doesn't matter whether you are doing anythign illegal .. you don't look like an ordinary citizen, you don't talk like and ordinary citizen ... we'll find a way to drop on you ..

[StoneY]

Well lets say I am very lucky the last Labour Gubbermint gave us 'The Clean Slate' act... or I would never have passed the interview for my job.

Misguided youth, chip on shoulder with everyfuckinthing (still there actually) and some bad habits that followed me well into my adulthood

I got a hell beating from on overzealous young detective once but looking back, I would have kicked my ass for the hell of it the way I was behaving back then......

Gotta have em, and I dont envy thier job, just hope they learn to stop initiating persuits with uturns

Oh and the chick copper in Hamilton should have fired her firearm IMO...bloody oath!

:)

[DarkLord]

Good call Stoney.

Police are just human beings who are trying to do their job, same as everyone else. Of course there are always going to be times when the coppers are out of line, but think what NZ society would be like if they just disappeared altogether.

The stupid muppets who make their jobs hard are the type of people who are "all rights and no responsibilites", think that they are not responsible for anything and are always trying to pass the blame onto someone else. "That cop assaulted me!?! I R GOING TO KICK THEIR ARSE!1!!!!1!" Someone should tell these people, Perhaps YOU might have done something to incite them acting in this way?

What these people need to learn is that you cannot find any release passing your responsibilites onto other people. YOU are responsible for your behavior and your attitude, NO ONE ELSE.

The sooner people begin to learn said lessons, the sooner we will live in a far better society and the job of the police will become a lot easier.

[Edbear]

Mate ... I'm a rebel ... always have been, always will be ... My childhood heroes were Ulrich Meinhoff and Sonny Barger (Google the names you young pups ) and I completely identified with Jim Fixx ... I don't bow down and cower before ANY authority ...

Society has ways of dealing to people like me .. and the police, those fine upholders of society's mores ... are one way of dealing with people like me ... if not by arrest ... then by harrassment etc etc ...

As soon as you don't toe the line then you're going to be a target ... it doesn't matter whether you are doing anythign illegal .. you don't look like an ordinary citizen, you don't talk like and ordinary citizen ... we'll find a way to drop on you ..

Is it really justified to blame the Police? It sounds, (and I say this in the nicest way...), like you have rather been an arrogant, mouthy upstart to attract the attention. I have many family, friends and aquaintances who are not clean, green and meek, "goody-goody-two-shoes" and I speak my mind and don't cowtow to anyone either, yet I don't know anyone who has your kind of hassles from the law.

I treat everyone, including the Police with dignity and respect and receive the same in return. If something is none of my business, ie: as a bystander, I keep out of it.

I don't see the wisdom in attracting negative attention, just to show you're a rebel.

[scumdog]

Just riding bikes ... long hair ... scruffy looking ..

Unjustified search for drugs ...

Racist crap ...

Bullying (they once told my mate in the pub he was too drunk to ride .. he pointed at me and said "He's riding ..." They accepted that ... I was drunk as ..l. my mate was completely sober because he'd just walked in ... caught us just around the corner .. him on the front ... took keys ... "You're too drunk to ride" no breath test - no blood test ... no charges - just the hassle of pushing a bike about a mile to a safe lockup ... )

Searched several times while walking home at around 9pm in the evening ... minding my own business ... they never found anything

Stopped and questioned about my whereabouts three nights before .. two nights before .. where are you going now ... doing nothing except minding my own business ... let me go on my way .. just a hallse ...

Cop kicking my bike on the side of the road ... kicking the mufflers, kicking the side panels ...

Watched cops clear a house "the party's too noisey - everyone's leaving " .. including throwing one person across a porch rail, he sustained sever bruising to the kidney and spent time in hospital - when the house was cleared they asked to speak to the occupant .. and were then told "The person in the ambulance, the one you threw across the porch railings ..."

Jeez .. the list goes all the way back to the early 70s .. heaps of examples ..

Some people have a gift of living their lives as above.

Others (yes, me too) seem never to have such problems and all dealings with the law when younger have been fair.

Kharma, fate, bad luck? - I dunno....

[Banditbandit]

Mate, when you are sitting quietly in the Square in Chch .. not hassling anyone, not doing anything except reading a book ... not talking to anyone ... and the police demand to search you "for drugs ..." and when you ask "On what Grounds ?" they come back with something like "suspicion of carrying drugs ..." their only real evidence is that you have long hair ...

How do you think we feel ??? Pissed off? Harrassed ???

Yeah ... I have not been an ideal citizen in the past ... and I know when I have been provocative and stirring .. and when I haven't ...

I do know the difference .. I'm not stupid ... or arrogant ... If I have to deal with the police, I will ... on a polite and non-confrontational basis ...

But I have seen them provoke things ... step outside the law ... on their own initiative ...

[White trash]

Some people have a gift of living their lives as above.

Others (yes, me too) seem never to have such problems and all dealings with the law when younger have been fair.

Kharma, fate, bad luck? - I dunno....

Fuck up copper.

[Grasshopperus]

Big thanks to the NZ Police; they have to deal with the absolute scum of society so we don't have to (as much). That house you don't want burglarised, your SO who you'd prefer isn't raped every time they walk out the door, sunshine, ponies and more.

When watching "police-10-7" or "motorway patrol" you see all the stuff they have to put up with, all the time I'm secretly hoping that they only put up with it because of the camera and that if some little punk started swearing at them in a normal situation they'd get a nightstick in the mouth.

Point appreciated Toaster, we're all human and we all make mistakes. The police have the unfortunate roll of doing their job in a country where the most interesting news day-to-day is cats getting stuck up trees which makes any of their mistakes stand out like a sore thumb.

Thanks mates!

[Banditbandit]

Some people have a gift of living their lives as above.

Others (yes, me too) seem never to have such problems and all dealings with the law when younger have been fair.

Kharma, fate, bad luck? - I dunno....

I will admit to "mixing with the wrong crowd" . so there might be a fair bit of "guilt by association " ...

However, I have experienced and witnessed cops "crossing the line" enough to not be particulalry sympathetic ...

[HenryDorsetCase]

Big thanks to the NZ Police; they have to deal with the absolute scum of society so we don't have to (as much). That house you don't want burglarised, your SO who you'd prefer isn't raped every time they walk out the door, sunshine, ponies and more.
!

I'd think you'd call the SPCA if your pony was getting raped, not the po po. Unless the pony was underage.

[marie_speeds]

Mate, when you are sitting quietly in the Square in Chch .. not hassling anyone, not doing anything except reading a book ... not talking to anyone ... and the police demand to search you "for drugs ..." and when you ask "On what Grounds ?" they come back with something like "suspicion of carrying drugs ..." their only real evidence is that you have long hair ...

How do you think we feel ??? Pissed off? Harrassed ???

Yeah ... I have not been an ideal citizen in the past ... and I know when I have been provocative and stirring .. and when I haven't ...

I do know the difference .. I'm not stupid ... or arrogant ... If I have to deal with the police, I will ... on a polite and non-confrontational basis ...

But I have seen them provoke things ... step outside the law ... on their own initiative ...

When I was 15 I was walking back to school after lunch (was in mufti) cop car pulled up said that there had been a burglary in the area then proceeded to grill me. Told me he'd let me off if I did him a "favour".... :sick:
So can totally understand where you're coming from.

And for the record he didn't get the "favour".

[Genie]

When I was 15 I was walking back to school after lunch (was in mufti) cop car pulled up said that there had been a burglary in the area then proceeded to grill me. Told me he'd let me off if I did him a "favour".... :sick:
So can totally understand where you're coming from.

And for the record he didn't get the "favour".

Really????? And at 15 you didn't report this despicable action from a law enforcement officer....

[mattian]

When I was 15 I was walking back to school after lunch (was in mufti) cop car pulled up said that there had been a burglary in the area then proceeded to grill me. Told me he'd let me off if I did him a "favour".... :sick:
So can totally understand where you're coming from.

And for the record he didn't get the "favour".

If this indeed happened, then I implore you to make a formal complaint about it. How many times could he have done this to other people because you let it go?.
NZ Police have a VERY high standard of integrity and if this officer is in fact guilty of what you are accusing then, his feet wouldn't even touch the floor on his way out the door.

[Laava]

I have experienced both sides, so can see how some people get off to a shitty start with the popo BUT one day you may need to call them, and they may turn up and totally change your viewpoint. Not a job I would be interested in for one minute. My bro tried the old, "My fingers slipped off the clutch officer, that's why I was doing a wheelie!" and the cop told him he was a liar. Well he was right. I am sure they get sick of hearing pathetic excuses. Better than having the gangs running the town!

[wingnutt]

I would like to see all the gutless whimps that constantly criticize police behind their keyboards try this job. A little less selfish focus on the self-proclaimed right to the roads above all others, and a bit more community spirit would be nice to see, and needed more than ever.

Cops are human and not perfect, but they have a job to do that revolves around keeping the peace both on the roads and our homes when needed. They get held personally resonsible for their actions. Personal responsibility for our own actions - now that is a novel concept lost on the stupid....

NEWS:
A Hamilton policewoman drew a gun on a group of men assaulting her partner after a Taser failed to subdue them.

A constable was left with a bloodied eye following the fracas, which stemmed from a domestic incident in Fairfield.

A female senior sergeant twice unsuccessfully used a Taser on three men who had piled on top of her constable colleague, beating him. She eventually drew her firearm as she awaited backup.

City area commander Inspector Rob Lindsay the officers were leaving the Marshall Ave address after attending the callout related to a heated argument between the 55-year-old father of the family at the address and his 34-year-old son and other people at the house.

As the police were leaving the father arrived and confronted them.

"A Taser was deployed and used twice on the father [one of the trio]," Mr Lindsay said.

"Despite making contact it had little effect."

The man's 34 and 18-year-old sons joined in the assault with the female officer drawing her firearm to stop them.

"I am very proud of my staff in that they were not afraid to use the whole range of tactical options available from trying to reason with the offenders to using their batons then pepper spray, a taser and eventually deploying a firearm to quell the situation," Mr Lindsay said.

"What concerns me the most is my staff, one of who suffered damage to an eye, were called to the address to help the people there and in turn were set upon by the occupants. This should not just be unacceptable to Police but to the community as a whole."

Three men were to face a variety of charges including aggravated assault and resisting police while a woman at the property was also charged with obstructing police.

while agree the police had a hard job to do, it does not give them the right to qct like arseholes, in fact in doing so only convinces ordinary people, that they are arseholes.

treat a person, in a way that they percieve to be unfair, and they wont remember the ticket, they will remember the bullshit coming from the cop. I know I still do, even after 3 years.

I'm an old bugger brought up to respect the police etc, but it only took one cop to treat me badly, and another to show me first hand they are prepared to lie, and now I no respect at all for the blue uniform. my fault??? I dont think so.

respect is earned, not a given, prove to me the police are prepared to treat people fairly, prove to me that that traffic officers are not arrogant, aggressive revenue collectors, and Ill consider thinking about respecting the police again.

[Pussy]

There does seem to be too much cop bashing. Wouldn't do their job for quids.
And not all of us want some nanny "you don't have to be responsible for your own actions" state. Another Labour "when I want your opinion, I'll give it to you" bullshit.

[Toaster]

When I was 15 I was walking back to school after lunch (was in mufti) cop car pulled up said that there had been a burglary in the area then proceeded to grill me. Told me he'd let me off if I did him a "favour".... :sick:
So can totally understand where you're coming from.

And for the record he didn't get the "favour".

Firstly, at 15 years old, are you really sure he was actually a cop and not a pedophile cop impostor (as they use this trick regularly....).

If indeed it was an actual cop, then yep, shame on the one that spoils it for all the thousands of others trying to do an honest job well under extreme and constant criticism. Those scum have no place in society, let alone in the blue uniform.

[Genie]

Imposters, yes the world is full of them

[marie_speeds]

Really????? And at 15 you didn't report this despicable action from a law enforcement officer....


If this indeed happened, then I implore you to make a formal complaint about it. How many times could he have done this to other people because you let it go?.
NZ Police have a VERY high standard of integrity and if this officer is in fact guilty of what you are accusing then, his feet wouldn't even touch the floor on his way out the door.


Firstly, at 15 years old, are you really sure he was actually a cop and not a pedophile cop impostor (as they use this trick regularly....).

If indeed it was an actual cop, then yep, shame on the one that spoils it for all the thousands of others trying to do an honest job well under extreme and constant criticism. Those scum have no place in society, let alone in the blue uniform.

He was a sworn policeman in uniform. My saving grace was a neighbour driving past who stopped and asked what was going on, the cop said "nothing" and then jumped back in his car and drove off. But sadly I have heard from others that this sort of behaviour with teenage girls does go on. And unfortunately whilst the majority of policeman are very good at their jobs and are there to provide a service to the public, there is amongst them those few bad apples, who take advantage of the authority they hold and who are no better than the criminals they are supposed to protect us from. Do these bad apples treat the police force as there own personal gang? In my opinion absolutely.

[BoristheBiter]

He was a sworn policeman in uniform. My saving grace was a neighbour driving past who stopped and asked what was going on, the cop said "nothing" and then jumped back in his car and drove off. But sadly I have heard from others that this sort of behaviour with teenage girls does go on. And unfortunately whilst the majority of policeman are very good at their jobs and are there to provide a service to the public, there is amongst them those few bad apples, who take advantage of the authority they hold and who are no better than the criminals they are supposed to protect us from. Do these bad apples treat the police force as there own personal gang? In my opinion absolutely.

Did you report him?

[marie_speeds]

Did you report him?

I was 15 and late getting back to school. More concerned with a nun with a strap or worse detention. LOL. I did tell my neighbour what had been going on, and she reported it to my parents. Unfortunately neither of us bothered to get a badge number or licence plate number. So sadly this policeman never did get reported and god knows how many others he tried this on.

[avgas]

Mate, when you are sitting quietly in the Square in Chch .. not hassling anyone, not doing anything except reading a book ... not talking to anyone ... and the police demand to search you "for drugs ..." and when you ask "On what Grounds ?" they come back with something like "suspicion of carrying drugs ..." their only real evidence is that you have long hair ...

How do you think we feel ??? Pissed off? Harrassed ???

Yeah ... I have not been an ideal citizen in the past ... and I know when I have been provocative and stirring .. and when I haven't ...

I do know the difference .. I'm not stupid ... or arrogant ... If I have to deal with the police, I will ... on a polite and non-confrontational basis ...

But I have seen them provoke things ... step outside the law ... on their own initiative ...
Yeah real rebel.
Want a tissue for your issue?

[avgas]

When I was 15 I was walking back to school after lunch (was in mufti) cop car pulled up said that there had been a burglary in the area then proceeded to grill me. Told me he'd let me off if I did him a "favour".... :sick:
So can totally understand where you're coming from.

And for the record he didn't get the "favour".
Were you a hottie?

[marie_speeds]

Were you a hottie?

Umm no maybe um I don't know...LOL I think I had just as much vanity as any other 15 year old girl on the planet

[avgas]

Umm no maybe um I don't know...LOL I think I had just as much vanity as any other 15 year old girl on the planet
Dirty.........

[marie_speeds]

Dirty.........

I was a good catholic school girl :innocent:

[Banditbandit]

Yeah real rebel.
Want a tissue for your issue?

Hey .. I'm not crying over it .. step outside the norms and you become a target ...
I was asked the question and gave an answer ...

[HenryDorsetCase]

He was a sworn policeman in uniform. My saving grace was a neighbour driving past who stopped and asked what was going on, the cop said "nothing" and then jumped back in his car and drove off. But sadly I have heard from others that this sort of behaviour with teenage girls does go on. And unfortunately whilst the majority of policeman are very good at their jobs and are there to provide a service to the public, there is amongst them those few bad apples, who take advantage of the authority they hold and who are no better than the criminals they are supposed to protect us from. Do these bad apples treat the police force as there own personal gang? In my opinion absolutely.

was it in Rotorua in the 80's?

[HenryDorsetCase]

I was a good catholic school girl :innocent:

WWOP. mmmmm catholic school girls.

[Toaster]

I was 15 and late getting back to school. More concerned with a nun with a strap on or worse.

And you are worried about a cop??!!

[marie_speeds]

was it in Rotorua in the 80's?


No...Mt Albert


And you are worried about a cop??!!

I just realised upon review what I had written :facepalm: that was terrible typing and grammar on my part. LOL

[scissorhands]

NZ cops are pretty good, I have had mostly nothing but good experiences dealing with the police. Very professional.

Dont envy them though, angry nutjobs seem to be on the increase.

I do think cracking down down on alcohol and promoting cannabis use would calm society and make their jobs easier. Imagine going to a domestic where Mr and Mrs Bleh are stoned....huh?

Exactly.

[Patrick]

If this indeed happened, then I implore you to make a formal complaint about it. How many times could he have done this to other people because you let it go?.
NZ Police have a VERY high standard of integrity and if this officer is in fact guilty of what you are accusing then, his feet wouldn't even touch the floor on his way out the door.

Re quoted for the truth.... Shame she, or the neighbour, didn't get the rego. Or a half decent description...????


.... My bro tried the old, "My fingers slipped off the clutch officer, that's why I was doing a wheelie!" and the cop told him he was a liar. Well he was right. I am sure they get sick of hearing pathetic excuses. Better than having the gangs running the town!

But I bet the cop was an arsehole for calling him a liar...........?????????

[StoneY]

I had a friendly cop give me a nice friendly wave this morning in the lane split!

Well... I think it was friendly... or maybe it was 'put that front wheel DOWN now....' I aint quite sure
Seemed like a nice bloke tho!

[Eyegasm]

I'd do the job.

I'd also get fired pretty damn quick too. I do not have the tolerance that some coppers have. I would end up beating some lil shit with a baton.

Plus another benefit is I could hassle all you bikers just for shits and giggles.

...And hassle StoneY for not doing a long enough wheelie!

[StoneY]

...And hassle StoneY for not doing a long enough wheelie!

True! Ill try harder just for you bruv!

[Bald Eagle]

True! Ill try harder just for you bruv!

I should think so, besides need to try and reduce the wear on the front tyres eh.

[Smifffy]

In my limited experience and observation, there seem to be two broad groups of Police officer, that use two different approaches:

1. The easy-going community spirited rule enforcer who will try to put you at ease, call you mate, tell you he's concerned for your safety, the safety of everyone else, and call you mate, and show interest in your story, and call you mate, and then book you.

2. The blitzkrieg ram the lawbook down your throat, kick your arse, then book you and move on to the next victim.

Unfortunately neither of these approaches garner them any real respect, 1 comes across as false, insincere and untrustworthy, and 2 comes across as an asshole.

The rapists, thieves and perjurers in the force can fall into either camp.

As someone posted a while back, they lowered the standards in order to get more police, that speaks for itself.

I'm struck by the irony, that the police tell us not to complain if we speed then get a ticket, because we are speeding, and getting caught and ticketed is a natural consequence of that. Then they complain that they get no respect, when that is also a natural consequence of the behaviour that many see for themselves, and see reported in the media.

There was a saying in one of my past lives: "You can make me call you Sir, Sir but you still have to earn my respect."

None of this excuses the thugs for beating the cops in Hamilton though, that was totally disgusting and uncalled for. Somebody should have eaten some 9mm that night.

[scissorhands]

In my limited experience and observation, there seem to be two broad groups of Police officer, that use two different approaches:

1. The easy-going community spirited rule enforcer who will try to put you at ease, call you mate, tell you he's concerned for your safety, the safety of everyone else, and call you mate, and show interest in your story, and call you mate, and then book you.

2. The blitzkrieg ram the lawbook down your throat, kick your arse, then book you and move on to the next victim.

Unfortunately neither of these approaches garner them any real respect, 1 comes across as false, insincere and untrustworthy, and 2 comes across as an asshole.




I'm calling bullshit on this. Soooo many cops let things slide...... every fricken day. Its called the attitude test.

I was once a passenger in my g/f car and she got pulled over doing 65-70 in a 50km/hr about 12 years ago. He really wanted to let her off, she was rattled and unpleasant, I was smiling and almost winking at the cop, he ticketed her because she was an unrepentant asshole to deal with. Major attitude fail.

I'm a landlord, have been for 25 years. Tenants often hate you, for no good reason except you have some authority over them, and they have to give you money. Some of my tenants needed a good batoning by god. Same with being a boss (except the boss gives you money, for your time).

Sure some are at fault, usually its just a mistake of judgement, but disliking another because of their authority over you is just immature and stupid. Bad dog. Why not be nice to those entrusted with defending us from angry crazies?

Some people need to pull their heads out of their asses.


I Am The Great Sun

I am the great Sun, but you do not see me.
I am your Husband, but you turn away.
I am the Captive, but you do not free me.
I am the Captain you will not obey.
I am the Truth, but you will not believe me.
I am the City, where you will not stay.
I am your Wife, your Child, but you will leave me.
I am that God, to whom you will not pray.
I am your Counsel, but you do not hear me.
I am the Lover, whom you will betray.
I am the Victor, but you do not cheer me.
I am the Holy Dove, whom you will slay.
I am your Life, but you will not name me.
Seal up your soul with tears and never blame me.

Charles Cosley, Norman Crucifix, 1632.

[Smifffy]

I'm calling bullshit on this. Soooo many cops let things slide...... every fricken day. Its called the attitude test.

I was once etc.

Ok, thanks a lot for that. It helps. Really.


Respect the police people!
Work on passing the attitude test, and you might be lucky and get a cop who remembers what life was like in 1998 and hasn't perfed out, instead of one of the new young thrusters with something to prove, a script to follow and a quota to fill.

[hellokitty]

So therein lies the conundrum. My story is the direct opposite of yours, so why is that? Why is it that two innocent people can have so different life stories? Why can you attract unjustified and undeserved prejudicial attention from the Police while I can have a dream run with not one incidence of undeserved harrasment? Why have I always been treated with respect from the Police and you haven't?

I have had good and bad experiences - I have to say though, depends on the situation.
When I was with stupid idiotic boyfriends who were behaving badly, the treatment we got was not so nice, but still appropriate and legal.
When I have been on my own and (mostly) behaving then cops are great and very helpful.

We had the cops outside our house the other month as a party was out of control and they said we could detain any of the teenagers and use "reasonable" force. One said to me that yes I could reprimand the boys that were trying to steal my truck :woohoo:.

What an awesome sight a line of cops with shields and batons jogging past our house was! I loved the way the little smart arse shits ran and cried like babies - very tough when throwing rocks at a woman, but pussys when the cops get them!

[Edbear]

I have had good and bad experiences - I have to say though, depends on the situation.
When I was with stupid idiotic boyfriends who were behaving badly, the treatment we got was not so nice, but still appropriate and legal.
When I have been on my own and (mostly) behaving then cops are great and very helpful.

We had the cops outside our house the other month as a party was out of control and they said we could detain any of the teenagers and use "reasonable" force. One said to me that yes I could reprimand the boys that were trying to steal my truck :woohoo:.

What an awesome sight a line of cops with shields and batons jogging past our house was! I loved the way the little smart arse shits ran and cried like babies - very tough when throwing rocks at a woman, but pussys when the cops get them!

Let that be a lesson to you young lady! Be more particular in future! :yes: Unfortunately finding a boy in your age group with a brain may be a difficult process.

[davebullet]

Gutless am I?

Fuck the police man, fuck em. That's what I say. Fuck em.

I'm a fucken badass.

I thought you fancied a man in uniform? :laugh:

[davebullet]

Like there are good and bad people, since the police are just people, there are good and bad cops.

[98tls]

Like there are good and bad people, since the police are just people, there are good and bad cops.

:shit:Enough eh,far to sensible a thing to say on the interweb..

[StoneY]

Yesterday morning, heading into Martinborough with the 'posse' behind me and I come off the bridge straight into the local coppers radar at 114kmh

Lights, camera acrtion, another cop does a mad u-turn in front of the team just to chase little ol me

he got the shock of his life as he flew past where i had pulled over for him LOL must have thought I was gonna run!

He jotted my details down, said he would send a notice via the mail and wouldnt hold us up any longer (all 9 of us stopped hehehe)
Nice guy and all, we had a good laugh about the only Radar detector in the pack being in the middle and not at the front...sigh.....
And I wonder how he is gonnna ticket me without the bike rego (he didnt write it down)

Now if we can only get them to STOP FUCKING U-TURNING!!!!!!

[Bald Eagle]

:weird::not::clap: that made my Monday .

[duckonin]

I'm calling bullshit on this. Soooo many cops let things slide...... every fricken day. Its called the attitude test.

I was once a passenger in my g/f car and she got pulled over doing 65-70 in a 50km/hr about 12 years ago. He really wanted to let her off, she was rattled and unpleasant, I was smiling and almost winking at the cop, he ticketed her because she was an unrepentant asshole to deal with. Major attitude fail.

I'm a landlord, have been for 25 years. Tenants often hate you, for no good reason except you have some authority over them, and they have to give you money. Some of my tenants needed a good batoning by god. Same with being a boss (except the boss gives you money, for your time).

Sure some are at fault, usually its just a mistake of judgement, but disliking another because of their authority over you is just immature and stupid. Bad dog. Why not be nice to those entrusted with defending us from angry crazies?

Some people need to pull their heads out of their asses.


I Am The Great Sun

I am the great Sun, but you do not see me.
I am your Husband, but you turn away.
I am the Captive, but you do not free me.
I am the Captain you will not obey.
I am the Truth, but you will not believe me.
I am the City, where you will not stay.
I am your Wife, your Child, but you will leave me.
I am that God, to whom you will not pray.
I am your Counsel, but you do not hear me.
I am the Lover, whom you will betray.
I am the Victor, but you do not cheer me.
I am the Holy Dove, whom you will slay.
I am your Life, but you will not name me.
Seal up your soul with tears and never blame me.

Charles Cosley, Norman Crucifix, 1632.

Fuck matey you need to get into the real world before being so subjective, you really need to pull your head out of your arse and come up for air and a look around.:yes:
Must be you that creates the problem with your tenants, they must have a reason for hateing you..

When most put on the 'blue' they develop and attitude problem,(I mean really leaving work as a council gardner or a dunny cleaner then stick this shit in the position of almost ultimate power !!) But this subsides as they get older and have heard all the excuses ever dreamed up:facepalm:

The best cops are those that have been in the force for sometime and matured with the job, and the best recruits are those that got out and travelled and had a life before taking on the job, other than that the rest are power mongers !!

Now you go to God and get him to give you a good batoning on the head to wake your brain up so you can see things in a real light, go forth now go on go!!!!:innocent:

[scumdog]

When *SOME put on the 'blue' they develop and attitude problem,(I mean really leaving work as a council gardner or a dunny cleaner then stick this shit in the position of almost ultimate power !!) But this subsides as they get older and have heard all the excuses ever dreamed up:facepalm:

The best cops are those that have been in the force for sometime and matured with the job, and the best recruits are those that got out and travelled and had a life before taking on the job, other than that the rest a power mongers !!

*Fixed it for you!:yes:

And 'rest a power monger'??? WTF???:blink:

(Is that like giving a Power Ranger a spell - or something??)

[Smifffy]

Last time I was stopped I wasn't sure whether I was going to get a ticket or not, after being sent on my way (so as not to hold me up).

The ticket turns up in the mail sure enough. I think it's actually a tactic to prevent people from getting upset when they realise how much it is going to cost them, and to let them leave feeling like just maybe they have gotten away with it.

As an aside I guess this "service" will now have attracted an additional 2.5% GST?


Yesterday morning, heading into Martinborough with the 'posse' behind me and I come off the bridge straight into the local coppers radar at 114kmh

Lights, camera acrtion, another cop does a mad u-turn in front of the team just to chase little ol me

he got the shock of his life as he flew past where i had pulled over for him LOL must have thought I was gonna run!

He jotted my details down, said he would send a notice via the mail and wouldnt hold us up any longer (all 9 of us stopped hehehe)
Nice guy and all, we had a good laugh about the only Radar detector in the pack being in the middle and not at the front...sigh.....
And I wonder how he is gonnna ticket me without the bike rego (he didnt write it down)

Now if we can only get them to STOP FUCKING U-TURNING!!!!!!

[duckonin]

*Fixed it for you!:yes:

And 'rest a power monger'??? WTF???:blink:

(Is that like giving a Power Ranger a spell - or something??)

:yes:Thanks for that SD whatever seem's you got the gist, Have a lot on today have you?:innocent:

[Clockwork]

He jotted my details down, said he would send a notice via the mail and wouldnt hold us up any longer (all 9 of us stopped hehehe)


Last time I was stopped I wasn't sure whether I was going to get a ticket or not, after being sent on my way (so as not to hold me up).

Had two infringements issued in about the last 24 months, both done in the same way. ie notes taken at time and tickets followed in post.

Guess this is a new strategy used to minimize contact time and maximize patrol time (or revenue collection opportunities).

[scumdog]

Had two infringements issued in about the last 24 months, both done in the same way. ie notes taken at time and tickets followed in post.

Guess this is a new strategy used to minimize contact time and maximize patrol time (or revenue collection opportunities).

And not consume your valuable time thereby causing you to be you late for whatever you were rushing to??:whistle:

[Banditbandit]

And not consume your valuable time thereby causing you to be you late for whatever you were rushing to??:whistle:

Huh ? I never rush to anything - I just like playing on the road ...

[twinbruva]

It makes me chuckle when people choose a line of employment and then get all upset when it doesn't go their way. I don't recall ever hearing of anyone being FORCED to be a police officer, they choose to do it.

Take whatever comes and shut the fuck up.

I get shit in my job but you don't hear me whinging about it.

[Smifffy]

I actually have better work stories.

It cracks me up when I see motorway patrol & 10-7 and all.


It makes me chuckle when people choose a line of employment and then get all upset when it doesn't go their way. I don't recall ever hearing of anyone being FORCED to be a police officer, they choose to do it.

Take whatever comes and shut the fuck up.

I get shit in my job but you don't hear me whinging about it.

[cowboyz]

Police are barely one step below lawyers really. There is always an exception to the rule but over all- they are ego-tripped pieces of shit.
all this.. Ohh... feel sorry for them because they are doing a job no one else wants to do! What a crock! If you dont wanna do it then go do something else.
And then to complain that people dont respect the police? Ha! people used to! There are 400 reasons why they dont now and most of those stem from officiers actions.

[Kickaha]

And then to complain that people dont respect the police? Ha! people used to! There are 400 reasons why they dont now and most of those stem from officiers actions.

I think more of it comes from the Joe publics own actions and rather than accept personal responsibility that their own choices have have landed them in the shit go on about what a pack of cunts the filthy dirty coppers are

[twinbruva]

Police are barely one step below lawyers really. There is always an exception to the rule but over all- they are ego-tripped pieces of shit.
all this.. Ohh... feel sorry for them because they are doing a job no one else wants to do! What a crock! If you dont wanna do it then go do something else.
And then to complain that people dont respect the police? Ha! people used to! There are 400 reasons why they dont now and most of those stem from officiers actions.

Whether they are "pieces of shit" or not is open to debate. Sure, many are ego-trippers and control freaks but it's them who probably do the most whinging. I would suggest that the bobby who doesn't moan and groan is the bobby who would do things by the book and be cheerful doing it.

A rare breed, I know.

[BoristheBiter]

It makes me chuckle when people choose a line of employment and then get all upset when it doesn't go their way. I don't recall ever hearing of anyone being FORCED to be a police officer, they choose to do it.

Take whatever comes and shut the fuck up.

I get shit in my job but you don't hear me whinging about it.

A bit like all the whingers on here crying about getting a ticket for doing something wrong.
As you said no one forced them to do wrong, they chose to do it so "Take whatever comes and shut the fuck up"

[BoristheBiter]

Whether they are "pieces of shit" or not is open to debate. Sure, many are ego-trippers and control freaks but it's them who probably do the most whinging. I would suggest that the bobby who doesn't moan and groan is the bobby who would do things by the book and be cheerful doing it.

A rare breed, I know.

Actuly most don't give a shit, just do the job they are paid to do then go home.

[scissorhands]

Maybe if we play: good biker / bad biker, with them long enough, the cops might get a bit confused and leave us alone?

No? oh well worth a try:innocent:

[cowboyz]

aside from the whole 'you are breaking the law and should be punished' I would have alot more repect for them if they policed on safety rather than some hard nosed rule of money making...

From my experience.

1. I have been booked at 111km/hr at 1am in the morning on SH1 with only me and the cop on the road.
2. I have been booked at 61 km/hr going into feilding (long stretch of nothing that is technically a 50km/hr zone but no one really does 50 cause its painful!)
3. I have waited for over a week before having an assault charge investigated that resulted in me being off work for 9 days... and then when they did investigate it they rung the 2 accused up 2 days in advance and told them to get their story striaght and interviewed them together
4. I have been told to 'not worry about it' when my (then young) sister was babysitting in a house along with a small child and saw someone prowling round the house. police rung... they too busy. it turned out the prowler went away on his own but who knows.

respect for cops? Bleh.. And they already proved to me at least they dont have any interest in my safety or the safety of my family. Ill look after my own and they can all go fuck themselves.

YMMV (I certainly hope it does)

[DMNTD]

aside from the whole 'you are breaking the law and should be punished' I would have alot more respect for them if they policed on safety rather than some hard nosed rule of money making...

From my experience.

1. I have been booked at 111km/hr at 1am in the morning on SH1 with only me and the cop on the road.
2. I have been booked at 61 km/hr going into fielding (long stretch of nothing that is technically a 50km/hr zone but no one really does 50 cause its painful!)
3. I have waited for over a week before having an assault charge investigated that resulted in me being off work for 9 days... and then when they did investigate it they rung the 2 accused up 2 days in advance and told them to get their story straight and interviewed them together
4. I have been told to 'not worry about it' when my (then young) sister was babysitting in a house along with a small child and saw someone prowling round the house. police rung... they too busy. it turned out the prowler went away on his own but who knows.

respect for cops? Bleh.. And they already proved to me at least they don't have any interest in my safety or the safety of my family. Ill look after my own and they can all go fuck themselves.

YMMV (I certainly hope it does)

Well said and I agree ...but I,and I'm certain you're probably the same here, don't tar ALL of the Police with the same brush.

[Bald Eagle]

It's the old story, they get the authority with the warrant card, they have to earn the respect and some of them come up short in that area. Thats just life.

[scumdog]

Respect?

I don't get paid enough to earn respect.

I can do the job OK without it, it's waay over-rated.

[twinbruva]

A bit like all the whingers on here crying about getting a ticket for doing something wrong.
As you said no one forced them to do wrong, they chose to do it so "Take whatever comes and shut the fuck up"

Fair enough if they're guilty, no argument. (Even though you misquoted me.)

I have had my current ride for well over two years and not had even a parking ticket on it. I guess it's the luck of the draw and the joy of living in a low cop-per-k area. My previous bike (owned in a large city) got all sorts of attention and I was ticketed for the most minor infringements, one of them I still feel was unjustified. (That guy had an attitude.) All the rest were technically correct, so no argument there either. I was also amazed at the lengths some cops go to when they feel the need to ticket someone for the most trvial transgression.

Still, that's their job....the job they chose.

[twinbruva]

Actuly most don't give a shit, just do the job they are paid to do then go home.

I did say "rare breed".

[Smifffy]

That's fine with me, just don't go crying for the waaaaambulance when your fellow officers get dissed on an internet forum.

:innocent:


Respect?

I don't get paid enough to earn respect.

I can do the job OK without it, it's waay over-rated.

[scumdog]

That's fine with me, just don't go crying for the waaaaambulance when your fellow officers get dissed on an internet forum.

:innocent:

No, I'll leave the whaaaambulance to posters on KB, they're pretty good at screaming for it.:yes:

And don't YOU go crying when your fellow riders get dissed on an internet forum:devil2:

[SMOKEU]

Respect?

I don't get paid enough to earn respect.

I can do the job OK without it, it's waay over-rated.

Whatever happened to 'respect is everything'?

[Smifffy]

The difference is that I expect and deserve to be treated with a little respect, at least enough to be shown some common courtesy, and be treated fairly by those who represent Her Majesty.


No, I'll leave the whaaaambulance to posters on KB, they're pretty good at screaming for it.:yes:

And don't YOU go crying when your fellow riders get dissed on an internet forum:devil2:

[scissorhands]

The difference is that I expect and deserve to be treated with a little respect, at least enough to be shown some common courtesy, and be treated fairly by those who represent Her Majesty.

You got to be joking right?

I live in Auckland and around here even the supermarket check out ladies are skimpy with respect :violin:

Common courtesy left the building around 2000 I think. Welcome to hell bitches:corn:

[Smifffy]

Check out staff aren't sworn servants of Her Majesty's government. Once upon a time the selection criteria for police officers was set at a different standard to that of check out staff. I guess they all use the same yardstick now.


You got to be joking right?

I live in Auckland and around here even the supermarket check out ladies are skimpy with respect :violin:

Common courtesy left the building around 2000 I think. Welcome to hell bitches:corn:

[Clockwork]

And not consume your valuable time thereby causing you to be you late for whatever you were rushing to??:whistle:

I'll bet Tui would would have a use for that line!

[Max Preload]

Like there are good and bad people, since the police are just people, there are good and bad cops.That assertion requires the premise that they're a random cross-section of the community. They're not. They're specifically chosen for being self-righteous sanctimonious bastards, weeding out anyone capable of independant thought, although some do sneak in. Both have their merits but also their pitfalls.

[red mermaid]

If this was anywhere near true this forum would be called KiwiCops.



That assertion requires the premise that they're a random cross-section of the community. They're not. They're specifically chosen for being self-righteous sanctimonious bastards, weeding out anyone capable of independant thought, although some do sneak in. Both have their merits but also their pitfalls.

[scumdog]

That assertion requires the premise that they're a random cross-section of the community. They're not. They're specifically chosen for being self-righteous sanctimonious bastards, weeding out anyone capable of independant thought, although some do sneak in. Both have their merits but also their pitfalls.

These are the words of extreme wisdom......


Pfft!:rolleyes::rofl::killingme

[Max Preload]

These are the words of extreme wisdom......


Pfft!:rolleyes::rofl::killingmeYou just love helping me prove my points!