The savages are restless

[JimO]

tv3 news, maori behaving badly...send the cunts back where they came from

[SMOKEU]

That dude with the spear looked like he was on some pretty mean drugs.

[schrodingers cat]

tv3 news, maori behaving badly...send the cunts back where they came from

Fucking indigeonus people. Fuck off back to oh. New Zealand. Ummmm, errrrrrr.

As you were.

[bogan]

tv3 news, maori behaving badly...send the cunts back where they came from

to the south island? yeh good call :innocent:

[JimO]

they came here in a canoe didnt they, they can paddle back there

[Kickaha]

they came here in a canoe didnt they, they can paddle back there

I doubt those particular guys did

[SMOKEU]

:2thumbsup:jerry::jerry:

[Crasherfromwayback]

I saw the clip on the news tonight. Hell...I'm all for them having their say etc, but if some cunt waved a spear mm from my face in such a manner, I'd be forced to fetch the 12 guage.

[Mully]

Poorly disguised Troll is poorly disguised.

I did like the little reprobate on Police 10-7 (one of those shows, anyway) who's position was "We grew here, they flew here" about the European cop who was giving the little twit a sheaf of tickets.

I Lolled until I could lol no more.

[imdying]

tv3 news, maori behaving badly...send the cunts back where they came fromThat's a terrible thing to say... the Tangata Whenua are the indigenous people of New Zealand, and are only utilising the beauty of their culture to express the mana that they feel connects with that land.

[marie_speeds]

Yawn............ :yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn::yawn::sleep:

[-df-]

Fucking indigeonus people. Fuck off back to oh. New Zealand. Ummmm, errrrrrr.

As you were.

indigeonus? Tui or what?

[onearmedbandit]

Poorly disguised Troll is poorly disguised.

I did like the little reprobate on Police 10-7 (one of those shows, anyway) who's position was "We grew here, they flew here" about the European cop who was giving the little twit a sheaf of tickets.

I Lolled until I could lol no more.

You too huh? That was brilliant.

[Maha]

I sold a house years ago for $78K, its now worth $210K!
And even though the papers I sign all those years ago were legit then, they must mean fuck all now surely? I want to be paid the difference please.

Maungamaha.

[marie_speeds]

indigeonus? Tui or what?

Prefer Speights myself but each to their own I suppose.....

[marty]

when they prove they have been here as long as the Aboriginies have been @ Uluru, then I'll respect their call of 'indigenous'

[Banditbandit]

I saw the clip on the news tonight. Hell...I'm all for them having their say etc, but if some cunt waved a spear mm from my face in such a manner, I'd be forced to fetch the 12 guage.

Kia ora ano ...

I'm sorry but you are completely misreading the situation ... It was a wero at the beginning of a powhiri .. and you all missed the gestures that said "Come on .. Follow me ..." and a Tewhatewha is not a spear ... it's shaped differently and used in a different way ..

Yes, he was expressing his displeasure with what the mayor and his cohorts were doing ... his expression was in a cultural manner completely appropriate in a Māōri situation - which was what the mayor was walking into ... You and the mayor have no idea how to respond in a culturally appropriate manner, and the news media had no idea what they were looking at either ... and consequently misreported the situation ..

In just the same way many of our people do not understand many Pākehā cultural situations and do not know how to respond appropriately in those either ...

[Banditbandit]

when they prove they have been here as long as the Aboriginies have been @ Uluru, then I'll respect their call of 'indigenous'

Why on earth would we want to emulate Australia ?

And what would constitute proof ? In western academic terms or in Māori terms ?

And why does length of time here matter ? We are talking about human beings - people we share a country with ...

[JimO]

In just the same way many of our people do not undertand many Pākehā cultural situations and do not know how to respond appropriately in those either ...

is that like the european custom of not beating babies to death??

[rustyrobot]

is that like the european custom of not beating babies to death??

Actually JimO, the tradition of beating babies to death was an entirely European import, you know from the people who said 'spare the rod and spoil the child', and 'children should be seen and not heard' and who put their kids down the salt mines. Will type up relevant quotes from early missionaries and settlers later.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Kia ora ano ...

I'm sorry but you are completely misreading the situation ... It was a wero at the beginning of a powhiri .. and you all missed the gestures that said "Come on .. Follow me ..." and a Tewhatewha is not a spear ... it's shaped differently and used in a different way ..

.

No, I understood what was going on quite well. I simply think it has no place in a modern society, regardless of it's origins.

[White trash]

is that like the european custom of not beating babies to death??

Bwahahahahahaha

[Banditbandit]

Actually JimO, the tradition of beating babies to death was an entirely European import, you know from the people who said 'spare the rod and spoil the child', and 'children should be seen and not heard' and who put their kids down the salt mines. Will type up relevant quotes from early missionaries and settlers later.

Yes .. we learnt that one from the Europeans .. our histories are filled with stories about one parent who hit a child (or even accidentally killed one) and the family of the other parent took revenge by killing the offending parent ... childrern were very well looked after and not hit - or killed.

That's a habit we learnt from the Europeans ... taught through schools where hitting children was allowed - and we as childern were frequently hit ... and incidentally promoted by some members of this forum in other threads ...

[Banditbandit]

No, I understood what was going on quite well. I simply think it has no place in a modern society, regardless of it's origins.

LIke the Monarchy ? Parliamentary Democracy ?

[rustyrobot]

LIke the Monarchy ? Parliamentary Democracy ?

Judiciary? Church?

[Crasherfromwayback]

LIke the Monarchy ? Parliamentary Democracy ?

I think the Monarchy has done it's dash too.

[imdying]

Actually JimO, the tradition of beating babies to death was an entirely European import, you know from the people who said 'spare the rod and spoil the child', and 'children should be seen and not heard' and who put their kids down the salt mines. Will type up relevant quotes from early missionaries and settlers later.I think you're showing a little ignorance towards European culture their matey... the bible is quite clear on the intent of that text, and putting babies into washing machines certainly isn't it.

[JimO]

That's a habit we learnt from the Europeans ... taught through schools where hitting children was allowed - and we as childern were frequently hit ... and incidentally promoted by some members of this forum in other threads ...

big difference between smacking (you say hitting) children and murdering them. Pity maori havnt learned other european customs like working and getting ahead in life, most are to busy with their stone age gimmi gimmi existence

[imdying]

big difference between smacking (you say hitting) children and murdering them.No, the difference is between disciplining your children and letting them run wild. Administering that might require physical admonishment or it may not, but the point is of course the action of disciplining and not avoiding doing so, not the method itself.

[onearmedbandit]

I think you're showing a little ignorance towards European culture their matey... the bible is quite clear on the intent of that text, and putting babies into washing machines certainly isn't it.

Did they have washing machines back then? I know they had cars, there are numerous mentions in the bible such as;

One theory is that Jesus would tool around in an old Plymouth because, "God drove Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Eden in His Fury."

But in Psalm 83, the Almighty clearly owns a Pontiac and a Geo. The passage urges the Lord to "pursue your enemies with your Tempest and terrify them with your Storm."

Perhaps God favors Dodge pickup trucks, because Moses' followers are warned not to go up a mountain "until the Ram's horn sounds a long blast."

Some scholars insist that Jesus drove a Honda, but didn't like to talk about it. As proof, they cite a verse in St. John's Gospel, in which Christ tells the crowd, "I did not speak of my own Accord."

Meanwhile, David rode an old British motorcycle, as evidenced by a Bible passage declaring that "the roar of David's Triumph is heard in the hills."

Joshua drove a Triumph sports car with a hole in its muffler: "Joshua's Triumph was heard throughout the land."

And, following the Master's lead, the apostles carpooled in a Honda: they were in one Accord.


But nowhere could I find a reference to a washing machine.

[neels]

But nowhere could I find a reference to a washing machine.
Must be an F&P380 in there somewhere, you're just not looking hard enough. You need to learn your scriptures better, lest the Lord smite you.

[JimO]

you would have needed more than 1 accord for 12 deciples

[jack_hamma]

Send in our Airforce I say!

[Banditbandit]

Send in our Airforce I say!

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[imdying]

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[avgas]

LIke the Monarchy ? Parliamentary Democracy ?
Not really
Why do you? Everyone to their own I guess - I can't stand the bastards.

[avgas]

Judiciary? Church?
No thanks. I've eaten already.

[avgas]

Send in our Airforce I say!
I looked every where.
Where the fuck could they be?
I mean it can't be that hard to find a bunch of fighter jets and their pilots....can it????

[jack_hamma]

I looked every where.
Where the fuck could they be?
I mean it can't be that hard to find a bunch of fighter jets and their pilots....can it????

Where the fuck are our jetfighters!!

[jack_hamma]

.....

Glad you used a White and black cat lol

[marty]

Why on earth would we want to emulate Australia ?

And what would constitute proof ? In western academic terms or in Māori terms ?

And why does length of time here matter ? We are talking about human beings - people we share a country with ...

not emulating - simply comparing apples to apples.

Maori aren't indigenous to NZ - quite simple really. They turned up, killed and ate the locals, and proclaimed themselves as being here forever. For a stoneage race up until the 1800's, forever was probably 2 full moons worth.

Length of time here seems to be basis for the whole over-subscribed gravy train that is the Waiatangi Tribunal, so don't suggest that concept is not understood.

[Banditbandit]

not emulating - simply comparing apples to apples.

Maori aren't indigenous to NZ - quite simple really. They turned up, killed and ate the locals, and proclaimed themselves as being here forever. For a stoneage race up until the 1800's, forever was probably 2 full moons worth.

Length of time here seems to be basis for the whole over-subscribed gravy train that is the Waiatangi Tribunal, so don't suggest that concept is not understood.

THat's a misunderstanding.

In the 19th Century plenty of European and American writers were suggesting that colonization was wrong ... The British Colonial Offices instructions to Cook were that any land he found belonged to the people who lived there .. and it's instructions to Hobson were NOT to sign a treaty as the sovereignty of the Māori peope had been accepted by the British Crown ..

The tribunal is not about establishing indigenaity as a class above the subsequent immigrant population - it's about addressing the grievences which have created the situation Māori find themselves in today as a result of the unjust and unethical actions of a colonizing people ...

[SMOKEU]

You and the mayor have no idea how to respond in a culturally appropriate manner, and the news media had no idea what they were looking at either ... and consequently misreported the situation ..



Culturally appropriate my fucking ass.

[scumdog]

Poorly disguised Troll is poorly disguised.

I did like the little reprobate on Police 10-7 (one of those shows, anyway) who's position was "We grew here, they flew here" about the European cop who was giving the little twit a sheaf of tickets.

Yeah "I showed that pig - but he showed me a shit-load of tickets bro!":msn-wink::lol:

[Madness]

Culturally appropriate my fucking ass.

BDOTGNZA have asked me to request you modify that post for the betterment of the New Zealand people and the preservation of our gracious Queen's language.

As you were.

[imdying]

It's tempting to post an image of a man raping a donkey, but I'm pretty sure they'll find me if google search that :lol:

[Swoop]

I mean it can't be that hard to find a bunch of fighter jets and their pilots....can it????
Just listen for drunken singing and chest-beating.
Avoid the helicopter pilots.

If in doubt, yell out "Badger!".

[98tls]

Kia ora ano ...

I'm sorry but you are completely misreading the situation ... It was a wero at the beginning of a powhiri .. and you all missed the gestures that said "Come on .. Follow me ..." and a Tewhatewha is not a spear ... it's shaped differently and used in a different way ..

Yes, he was expressing his displeasure with what the mayor and his cohorts were doing ... his expression was in a cultural manner completely appropriate in a Māōri situation - which was what the mayor was walking into ... You and the mayor have no idea how to respond in a culturally appropriate manner, and the news media had no idea what they were looking at either ... and consequently misreported the situation ..

In just the same way many of our people do not understand many Pākehā cultural situations and do not know how to respond appropriately in those either ...

You seem to have a firm understanding not to mention grasp of the $.No doubt soon enough many Pakeha will understand a little more eh as our children it seems are soon enough going to be forced into an hour a day of there lives wasted with Maori language:facepalm:As if the worlds not full of enough ways to say "you owe us this".

[Dean]

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[Winston001]

Kia ora ano ...

I'm sorry but you are completely misreading the situation ... It was a wero at the beginning of a powhiri .. and you all missed the gestures that said "Come on .. Follow me ..." and a Tewhatewha is not a spear ... it's shaped differently and used in a different way ..

Yes, he was expressing his displeasure with what the mayor and his cohorts were doing ... his expression was in a cultural manner completely appropriate in a Māōri situation - which was what the mayor was walking into ... You and the mayor have no idea how to respond in a culturally appropriate manner, and the news media had no idea what they were looking at either ... and consequently misreported the situation ..

In just the same way many of our people do not understand many Pākehā cultural situations and do not know how to respond appropriately in those either ...

I respect your points but after viewing the news clip, I have to say it looked damned intimidating. And deliberately so. The challenge was much more "in you face" than the traditional challenges we see on formal occasions.

Nevertheless the reaction of the media etc was overblown given that things calmed down afterwards.

Ignoring the silly racist stuff, this thread has some great humour in it :D

[Crasherfromwayback]

I respect your points but after viewing the news clip, I have to say it looked damned intimidating. And deliberately so. The challenge was much more "in you face" than the traditional challenges we see on formal

My (original) point exactly. Well over the top, and no need/place for such aggression in today's society.

[davebullet]

Kia ora ano ...

I'm sorry but you are completely misreading the situation ... It was a wero at the beginning of a powhiri .. and you all missed the gestures that said "Come on .. Follow me ..." and a Tewhatewha is not a spear ... it's shaped differently and used in a different way ..

Yes, he was expressing his displeasure with what the mayor and his cohorts were doing ... his expression was in a cultural manner completely appropriate in a Māōri situation - which was what the mayor was walking into ... You and the mayor have no idea how to respond in a culturally appropriate manner, and the news media had no idea what they were looking at either ... and consequently misreported the situation ..

In just the same way many of our people do not understand many Pākehā cultural situations and do not know how to respond appropriately in those either ...

Most NZers are ignorant of maori custom - me included. All I saw was someone holding what looked like a weapon flailing it infront of someones face. In my culture it is an act of aggression. I've never seem the same used between maori so only assume it is a general act of aggression.

If I did the same thing but wore jeans and weilded a "best of David Lange speeches CD" in front of someone's face (David was known to be quite cutting), I'm sure there is charge that could be laid.

[98tls]

If I did the same thing but wore jeans and weilded a "best of David Lange speeches CD" in front of someone's face (David was known to be quite cutting), I'm sure there is charge that could be laid.

That or confuse you with David Bain.

[SPman]

The tribunal is not about establishing indigenaity as a class above the subsequent immigrant population - it's about addressing the grievences which have created the situation Māori find themselves in today as a result of the unjust and unethical actions of a colonizing people ... not to mention, of course, that many of the claims actively date back to the 1870's, but have been effectively squashed until recent times......
Māori like money but don't like work? - they effectively fed Auckland with large market gardens, orchards and farms and provided most of the coastal shipping around NZ until the 1860's, when the Land Wars started and us white fellas decided to just take everything for ourselves......

[jonbuoy]

not to mention, of course, that many of the claims actively date back to the 1870's, but have been effectively squashed until recent times......
Māori like money but don't like work? - they effectively fed Auckland with large market gardens, orchards and farms and provided most of the coastal shipping around NZ until the 1860's, when the Land Wars started and us white fellas decided to just take everything for ourselves......

Problem is it isn´t 1860 its 2010, most societies and cultures have changed in the last 150 years maybe its time for some Maori to do the same.

You can´t go waving spears to make a point, its a little bit embarrassing on an international scale for Maori don´t you think?

[Winston001]

Problem is it isn´t 1860 its 2010, most societies and cultures have changed in the last 150 years maybe its time for some Maori to do the same.

You can´t go waving spears to make a point, its a little bit embarrassing on an international scale for Maori don´t you think?

Rational but try telling that to the Basques, the Philippine rebels, Palestinians, the Croations, all manner of groups in Africa and the 'Stan republics etc. Cultural memories run deep.

[schrodingers cat]

Problem is it isn´t 1860 its 2010, most societies and cultures have changed in the last 150 years maybe its time for some Maori to do the same.


Because western european capitalism is proving to be totally the way forward.

[SMOKEU]

Problem is it isn´t 1860 its 2010, most societies and cultures have changed in the last 150 years maybe its time for some Maori to do the same.

You can´t go waving spears to make a point, its a little bit embarrassing on an international scale for Maori don´t you think?

Yes, and the thieving cunts just want more and more for themselves.


Did anyone see this weeks copy of the Christchurch Buy, Sell & Exchange? There was a big page stating how the NZ government is going to give the Maoris more land rights, is there any truth to that? You'd have to see that ad to understand what I mean.

[fatzx10r]

to the south island? yeh good call :innocent:

fuck right off

[Shadowjack]

Yes, and the thieving cunts just want more and more for themselves.
Given the history of this fine nation, you are aware of the irony of this statement, aren't you?

[SMOKEU]

Given the history of this fine nation, you are aware of the irony of this statement, aren't you?

We could argue all night long about who did what to whom, but the facts don't lie.

[Katman]

Given the history of this fine nation, you are aware of the irony of this statement, aren't you?

He's South African - don't expect too much from him.

[Shadowjack]

He's South African - don't expect too much from him.

Oh...:facepalm:...

[willytheekid]

DONT...call me..PAKEHA! :mad:
As this translated means "smelly white pig"
(grew up in Kapiti, were the term was invented by Te Rauparaha!)

Im not aloud to be proud of my scottish heritage......cos Im just "White" ..non classified apparently, but Im expected to know every other races cultures, beliefs and stone age customs...or else IM racist!

I personally don't give 2 flyin shits what race, colour or sex you are....I just want to be treated fairly & equally within my OWN country....I live here to!...members of my family went to war to protect NZ...and they didnt come back either! (fell at chunik bair...to english arty cover fire!..go figure!).

I believe in an old saying...you have to show respect, to be respected!....yet all I see is reverse racisim and alot of hands out, just to keep a group of self-centred people from being MORE threatning and even more racist!

One people indeed!

[Winston001]

I believe in an old saying...you have to show respect, to be respected!....yet all I see is reverse racisim and alot of hands out, just to keep a group of self-centred people from being MORE threatning and even more racist!

One people indeed!

I agree with you completely regarding respect. Everyone is entitled to your respect and vice versa - until something happens to reduce that respect.

I can't say I feel threatened by Maori but maybe that's a South Island thing. Ngai Tahu are very astute and successful here.

Consider this: if Maori renaissance was ignored by the rest of NZ, they would simply fade away as a culture and a race. We might keep bits like the haka and tourist shows but it would be as relevant as the Druids which attend Stonehenge each solstice. An historic curiosity.

Our Maori culture and language is unique to New Zealand and I think we would all be poorer if it was lost. Retaining it requires Maori to have self-respect and gaining that requires them to hold land and rights. Which Europeans had taken away.

[SMOKEU]

He's South African - don't expect too much from him.

What's that supposed to mean?




Im not aloud to be proud of my scottish heritage......cos Im just "White" ..non classified apparently, but Im expected to know every other races cultures, beliefs and stone age customs...or else IM racist!


There is nothing wrong with having a sense of white pride. It is something that is sorely lacking in the white race today. 1488!

[Katman]

What's that supposed to mean?


Simply that you wouldn't recognise racial harmony if it shit in your cornflakes.

[Kickaha]

1488!

Yeah what a winner, died in prison, good riddance

[DMNTD]

Yeah what a winner, died in prison, good riddance

With all the brown people? Nooooo....say it ain't so! :shit:










:sunny:

[SMOKEU]

Simply that you wouldn't recognise racial harmony if it shit in your cornflakes.

What's this 'racial harmony' thing you speak so highly of, sir?

[Katman]

What's this 'racial harmony' thing you speak so highly of, sir?

I'm not saying we have racial harmony here.

What I am saying is that any opinion from a jumped up little yarpie with a nazi complex ain't going to do anything to help achieve it.

[Jantar]

THat's a misunderstanding.

In the 19th Century plenty of European and American writers were suggesting that colonization was wrong ... The British Colonial Offices instructions to Cook were that any land he found belonged to the people who lived there .. and it's instructions to Hobson were NOT to sign a treaty as the sovereignty of the Māori peope had been accepted by the British Crown .. ....

From http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/politics/treaty/read-the-treaty/drafting-the-treaty


William Hobson arrived in New Zealand on 29 January 1840. As lieutenant-governor of a colony that did not yet exist and the extent of which had not been decided, his task was to take possession of it with the consent of the Maori chiefs.

The actual wording of his instructions were

It is not, however, to the mere recognition of the sovereign authority of the Queen that your endeavours are to be confined, or your negotiations directed. It is further necessary that the chiefs should be induced, if possible, to contract with you, as representing Her Majesty, that henceforward no lands shall be ceded, either gratuitously or otherwise, except to the Crown of Great Britain. (Italics are mine.) http://www.treatyofwaitangi.net.nz/LordNormanbysBrief.html

So it certainly appears to me that Hobson was instructed to enter a treaty (contract) with the Maori chiefs.

[PirateJafa]

Because western european capitalism is proving to be totally the way forward.

Well they can go back to wearing grass skirts, living in shacks and cooking in the ground if they reeeeally want.

But most of them seem to prefer some hoodies from Farmers, a house from the Govt and as much KFC as their benefit will provide, for some strange reason.

[avgas]

Because western european capitalism is proving to be totally the way forward.
Nope that died in 2008. China was the way forward after then.
How many "international" meetings you seen outside asia recently.

Surely someone who believes in Schrödinger's cat, you should believe in more than one path forward....

[Teflon]

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[duckonin]

Fucking indigeonus people. Fuck off back to oh. New Zealand. Ummmm, errrrrrr.

As you were.

Nope S.C. not indigeonus at all, the fucks got lost and floated here by mistake then killed those that lived here took their land and so on and on and o shit I give up, now this silly fucken Govt is giving them money for something they never owned in the first place, go figure !!:yes: Give them more guns and free ammo let em loose at each other saves paying to keep the mongrels in jail...:facepalm:

[schrodingers cat]

Nope that died in 2008. China was the way forward after then.
How many "international" meetings you seen outside asia recently.

Surely someone who believes in Schrödinger's cat, you should believe in more than one path forward....

Diametrically opposed paths concurrently

[schrodingers cat]

Nope S.C. not indigeonus at all, the fucks got lost and floated here by mistake then killed those that lived here took their land and so on and on and o shit I give up, now this silly fucken Govt is giving them money for something they never owned in the first place, go figure !!:yes: Give them more guns and free ammo let em loose at each other saves paying to keep the mongrels in jail...:facepalm:

Fair enough. The English navigtion skills makes us superior in every aspect. I agree. Sorry I spoke.

[Banditbandit]

Yes, and the thieving cunts just want more and more for themselves.


Did anyone see this weeks copy of the Christchurch Buy, Sell & Exchange? There was a big page stating how the NZ government is going to give the Maoris more land rights, is there any truth to that? You'd have to see that ad to understand what I mean.

More land rights than what ? Than who ?

[Banditbandit]

DONT...call me..PAKEHA! :mad:
As this translated means "smelly white pig"
(grew up in Kapiti, were the term was invented by Te Rauparaha!)Im not aloud to be proud of my scottish heritage......cos Im just "White" ..non classified apparently, but Im expected to know every other races cultures, beliefs and stone age customs...or else IM racist!

I personally don't give 2 flyin shits what race, colour or sex you are....I just want to be treated fairly & equally within my OWN country....I live here to!...members of my family went to war to protect NZ...and they didnt come back either! (fell at chunik bair...to english arty cover fire!..go figure!).

I believe in an old saying...you have to show respect, to be respected!....yet all I see is reverse racisim and alot of hands out, just to keep a group of self-centred people from being MORE threatning and even more racist!

One people indeed!

Kia ora. I happen to agree with you .. ) except Pākehā doesn't mean smelly white pig .. that would be Paoakama haunga ... go read this ... http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/129730-Pregnant-women-warned-off-Te-Papa-tour/page5 ... I'm not sure how to link to the post - it's post 64 in this thread)


My Grandfather, who was of Scottish and Whanganui Iwi descent was wounded on the beaches of Gallipoli on the first day of landing ... and evacuated to France - He recovered and served in many of the battles in France in WWI ... he fought for all our freedom ... not white or brown or green .. all our freedom ...

Who says you are not allowed to be proud of your Scottish ancestors? I can tell you of my descent lines from Whanganui Iwi - and from Scotland ... of the results of the Highland Clearances and the effect it had on those ancestors and how that geneology (whakapapa) comes to me today ... of the Irish fighters, and the English - this is all what we call Whakapapa ... it is the stories of the past, the whakapapa, which make us who we are today - citizens of this country - Our Country.

Can we truely say "Our" when many here say Māori and Pākehā and mean it as devisive and confrontational?

[Banditbandit]

Fair enough. The English navigtion skills makes us superior in every aspect. I agree. Sorry I spoke.

Huh ? Tasman was lost ... Cook was shown this land by Tupaia, a native Tahitian, who drew Cook a map of the Pacific marking 36 Islands - including these ones - he drew the map in Tahiti and then sailed with Cook ... Marion DuFrense was looking for the Southern Continent .. and happened to find the land Tasman discovered by simply sailing around looking ...

Once Cook was shown the land he wrote the directions to get back ... but he had Polynesian help to get here ... for all his navigational skills and instruments ...

[Banditbandit]

Culturally appropriate my fucking ass.

I can not think of any situation when it would be culturally appropriate to "fuck your ass" as you so indelicately put it.

I can imagine someone "fucking your arse" but beastiality has no cultural precident anywhere ...

Good spelling is always appropriate however ...

[Shadowjack]

Huh ? Tasman was lost ... etc ...

After reading comments made by Schrodinger's cat in the context of this thread, I suspect the existence of some sly piss-taking. Or not.

[SMOKEU]

More land rights than what ? Than who ?

The white people.

[Banditbandit]

The white people.

My Māori ancestors welcomed the Pākehā to this country - we sold you land - yes we fought with the immigrants - they did things that made us angry enough to retaliate.

Do you think the white peope who came here were blameless ? Human beings throughout history have resorted to violence when they get angry with each other - no group has the moral high ground from history.

But we also slept with the immigrants, had children with them, traded with them, helped them survive.

Now we all live in this country, we are friends and relations - why would we want to hate our friends and relations? Why would we want to deny the Pākehā of this country what the Treaty of Waitangi gaurantees them ... our ancestors signed the treaty voluntarily - and expected people to live by it. We have kept our side of the bargain - have the immigrants ?

[SMOKEU]

My Māori ancestors welcomed the Pākehā to this country - we sold you land - yes we fought with the immigrants - they did things that made us angry enough to retaliate.

Do you think the white peope who came here were blameless ? Human beings throughout history have resorted to violence when they get angry with each other - no group has the moral high ground from history.

But we also slept with the immigrants, had children with them, traded with them, helped them survive.

Now we all live in this country, we are friends and relations - why would we want to hate our friends and relations? Why would we want to deny the Pākehā of this country what the Treaty of Waitangi gaurantees them ... our ancestors signed the treaty voluntarily - and expected people to live by it. We have kept our side of the bargain - have the immigrants ?

I have no doubt that in many cases the early white settlers did mistreat the Maori people, however it's not fair that certain Maori tribes have these land rights that white people don't have, or at least they seem to think they have these land rights.

[Banditbandit]

I have no doubt that in many cases the early white settlers did mistreat the Maori people, however it's not fair that certain Maori tribes have these land rights that white people don't have, or at least they seem to think they have these land rights.

Fair ??? Who told you the world was fair ?

Was it fair that a group of people sailed over the horizon and took our land away ? By force, by trickery, by theft and blatant confiscation? Sure we sold some of it .. but not enough for the land-hungry immigrants.

Pākehā have land rights - just as many as Māori ... just different .. If we give Pākehā the same rights as Māori do Pākehā give Māori the same rights ?

Just have a look at the foreshore and seabed debate - our rights to a day in court to argue our case were taken away ... I'll bet in Pākehā rights to a day in court were taken asway the Government would fall the next day ...

[SMOKEU]

Fair ??? Who told you the world was fair ?

Was it fair that a group of people sailed over the horizon and took our land away ? By force, by trickery, by theft and blatant confiscation? Sure we sold some of it .. but not enough for the land-hungry immigrants.

Pākehā have land rights - just as many as Māori ... just different .. If we give Pākehā the same rights as Māori do Pākehā give Māori the same rights ?

Just have a look at the foreshore and seabed debate - our rights to a day in court to argue our case were taken away ... I'll bet in Pākehā rights to a day in court were taken asway the Government would fall the next day ...

"Our land". The Maoris were immigrants to NZ, just like every other cunt. Since I'm part of a minority group (I'm South African), I should start my own tribe and have a big cry about how I've been unfairly treated and that I want my share of the foreshore and seabed.

[Katman]

Since I'm part of a minority group (I'm South African), I should start my own tribe and have a big cry about how I've been unfairly treated and that I want my share of the foreshore and seabed.

Either that or you could fuck off back to South Africa.

[SMOKEU]

Either that or you could fuck off back to South Africa.

You really should get that sand out of your pussy, it's really starting to upset you.

Would you like me to give you a tissue so you can have a big cry about it?

[imdying]

I should start my own tribe and have a big cry about how I've been unfairly treated and that I want my share of the foreshore and seabed.Did you sign a contract with the Queen stating that you would be allowed self governance over your lands and people?

[SMOKEU]

Did you sign a contract with the Queen stating that you would be allowed self governance over your lands and people?

Not as of yet.

[Banditbandit]

Not as of yet.


Do you even hold citizenship here ?

[imdying]

Yup, it's all fucked up. Basically, it's a malformed contract that needs dissolution. Grievances have been settled as far as needed, or indeed is prudent.

[SMOKEU]

Do you even hold citizenship here ?

As of early this year, yes.

Why is it that Maori people are allowed to be out and proud about being a Maori, but if I say anything about white pride I'm immediately labelled as a racist?

[Banditbandit]

As of early this year, yes.

Why is it that Maori people are allowed to be out and proud about being a Maori, but if I say anything about white pride I'm immediately labelled as a racist?

Maybe because of the forms you use to demonstrate white pride ?

Maybe because, demonstrably, you are a racist ...

[SMOKEU]

Maybe because of the forms you use to demonstrate white pride ?

Maybe because, demonstrably, you are a racist ...

So a group of Maoris performing the Haka, which many people find very intimidating is a perfectly acceptable way of demonstrating their "Maori pride", whilst whites aren't allowed demonstrate white pride in any way without being called a racist?

A few weeks ago in central Christchurch a group of National Front members were there for a gathering in a park, and there was a big group of anti racist fuckwits protesting against them, so police were called to keep an eye on the situation, while a kapa haka performance is meant to be tolerated by everyone else, and no one dares complain about a bunch of Maoris dancing with spears.

If me and a few of my mates started dancing around in public with spears we would likely be arrested for possession of an offensive weapon. Do you see a pattern here?

Now that's what is racist, having separate rules for the different races.

[imdying]

National Front
kapa haka performanceYou're gonna have to troll harder than that mate. It's a bit of a stretch to compare celebrating your heritage with those guys.

[SMOKEU]

You're gonna have to troll harder than that mate. It's a bit of a stretch to compare celebrating your heritage with those guys.

I'm not trying to be a troll here, I'm trying to point out some differences in how Maori get preferential treatment to white people.

The National Front members weren't doing anything to intimidate people at that meeting which I attended, they were simply hanging out in a park without causing trouble. The police told the protesters to phuck off in the end, not the National Front members.

[imdying]

The National Front members weren't doing anything to intimidate people at that meeting which I attended, they were simply hanging out in a park without causing trouble. The police told the protesters to phuck off in the end, not the National Front members.Don't know mate, wasn't there. Trolling retards with racist comments on the internet to pass the time is one thing, but hanging out with knuckle draggers like that is something else again. Do yourself a favour and find some new mates.

[SMOKEU]

Don't know mate, wasn't there. Trolling retards with racist comments on the internet to pass the time is one thing, but hanging out with knuckle draggers like that is something else again. Do yourself a favour and find some new mates.

They're not my mates, I just heard on the scanner that there were a bunch of skinners and a bunch of Maoris protesting in the central city and there was a significant potential for violence. Having nothing better to do on a Saturday afternoon, my curiosity got the better of me and I decided to check it out, just for shits and giggles.

[SS90]

They're not my mates, I just heard on the scanner that there were a bunch of skinners and a bunch of Maoris protesting in the central city and there was a significant potential for violence. Having nothing better to do on a Saturday afternoon, my curiosity got the better of me and I decided to check it out, just for shits and giggles.

That's the thing Smoku, the concept of "white pride" is redundant, and has been foe some time.

Im as white as they come, and I cannot think of a single thing that you could associate with being "proud" of just because you are white.

Male pride? Yes
Female pride? Yes

No matter what the skin colour.

But, what positive thing has ever been achieved in the name of "white pride"?
Enslaving generations, stealing land, ( gosh, I canto on, it makes me feel ashamed just thinking about it)

"Black pride"? Man, with out even thinking.....Martin Luthor King, Rosa Parks, Nelson Mendella, ..... This is just African/ American.... I could move on to Native American Indian, but we just don't have the bandwidth!

You get whatt I am saying? I read plenty of posts from plenty of misinformed people on here regarding statistics involving disproportionate amounts of " non white" people in prisons in NZ, and around the world...... If you took the time to read the studies, you would see that prison populations are populated, sometimes up to 90% by people with little or no education, With a Father that has served time in prison, (and has a history of drug abuse), comes from a "broken home", and sufferers from lack of self-esteem.........

basically, the bottom 20% of society makes up 90% of the prison population. (not exact, but the number are representative)

then, look at what ethnic groups are in this "bottom 20%"....... well. Would you look at that.... Maori.

Why? clearly, they have been disadvantaged, and there is a large proportion that have been stuck in a shitty circle, generation after generation that is not going to change by itself .

The reason that "the bottom" of society exist is because they lack resources.... Like in good old South Africa..... No education for Blacks... Why? Because of you educate
Someone, hay can (and will) teach the next generation, who in turn will teach the next, and so on.

You want to keep a group of society down, don't let them have resources.....

Maori have way more resources now than when I was a kid, and I am glad for it, there is shit loads of money in the bank accounts of the tribes of NZ, more than enough to create scholarships, provide free books, school fees and so on for the entire Maori population.

the day that a group of white men protest outside the Beehive, demanding than all treaty claims MUST be used to pay for the education and betterment of every Maori person in New Zealand, is the day that "I say I am proud to be white"

Other than that, a group of bald headed knuckle draggers wanking about "white pride" are simply stealing my oxygen.

[Banditbandit]

I'm not trying to be a troll here, I'm trying to point out some differences in how Maori get preferential treatment to white people.

The National Front members weren't doing anything to intimidate people at that meeting which I attended, they were simply hanging out in a park without causing trouble. The police told the protesters to phuck off in the end, not the National Front members.

So hang on .. you and your mates are hanging around in a park, when a bunch of protestors turn up - and the police leave you guys alone and tell the protestorsd to leave ...

I don't see what your problem is ... you have the right to peaceful assembly and the police reinforced that right ...

Let's put a slghtly different perspective on it tho'

A group of probably heavily tattooed young men, wearing black leathers and denim, with closely shaven heads are in the park acting and sounding like thugs ...

Many people would be intimidated by that ... add one more element - colours - and you have exactly the group people are aiming anti-gang laws at ... What's the difference between your group in the park and the Mongrel Mob in the park ???

[SMOKEU]

So hang on .. you and your mates are hanging around in a park, when a bunch of protestors turn up - and the police leave you guys alone and tell the protestorsd to leave ...

I don't see what your problem is ... you have the right to peaceful assembly and the police reinforced that right ...

Let's put a slghtly different perspective on it tho'

A group of probably heavily tattooed young men, wearing black leathers and denim, with closely shaven heads are in the park acting and sounding like thugs ...

Many people would be intimidated by that ... add one more element - colours - and you have exactly the group people are aiming anti-gang laws at ... What's the difference between your group in the park and the Mongrel Mob in the park ???

I'm not affiliated with any of those persons in question, I was at home listening to the scanner when I heard that violent clashes may erupt at any time, so I went to check it out from a distance. I don't know anyone who was there, and I didn't talk to or associate with any of those persons.

[avgas]

Diametrically opposed paths concurrently
In theory.
But reality is a bitch - and half life's are its cruel mistress.

[davebullet]

White pride doesn't make sense. Neither does black pride.

Pride (in this context) comes from an identity based on history and culture. I wouldn't identify myself with all white people - because quite a few are bastards, as are others with different skin colour.

I think NZ would be the poorer without our Maori identity and custom.

Sadly, the media sensationalise and focus on the confrontational interactions (what started this thread) because it sells more TV and papers.

If you want bias, get your fill with the fourth estate!

[JimO]

well the cops evicted the protesters today (why did it take so long) the main maori chap said he didnt recognise the eviction and tresspass orders (because whitey stole our land) but i bet the cunt recognises the dole payments him and his ilk get that allows them to protest while the rest of us work to pay their way, also there was a school age child i spotted there why wasnt he at school?.......fuckthem i say

[oldrider]

well the cops evicted the protesters today (why did it take so long) the main maori chap said he didnt recognise the eviction and tresspass orders (because whitey stole our land) but i bet the cunt recognises the dole payments him and his ilk get that allows them to protest while the rest of us work to pay their way, also there was a school age child i spotted there why wasnt he at school?.......fuckthem i say

I take it that you don't support their action then? :shifty:

[Maha]

the main maori chap said he didnt recognise the eviction and tresspass orders (because whitey stole our land) but i bet the cunt recognises the dole payments him and his ilk get that allows them to protest while the rest of us work to pay their way

I said the very same thing when I heard that on the News, cept I used the word Winz.
Taipa is a very beautiful place.

[twinbruva]

I said the very same thing when I heard that on the News, cept I used the word Winz.
Taipa is a very beautiful place.

It was until the maoris moved in.

[SMOKEU]

well the cops evicted the protesters today (why did it take so long) the main maori chap said he didnt recognise the eviction and tresspass orders (because whitey stole our land) but i bet the cunt recognises the dole payments him and his ilk get that allows them to protest while the rest of us work to pay their way, also there was a school age child i spotted there why wasnt he at school?.......fuckthem i say

I think they call it 'selective stupidity'.

Why did it take so long you ask? I will bet all the loose change in my wallet that they pulled out the race card on the po-leese.

[scissorhands]

Have you incisive thinkers any idea of the corruption practised by Tory Whitey at the top of the food chain? Maori are just kids at a lolly scramble for the dregs.

He sure got you whipped into shape as yap dog to protect his estates and interests.

Drug addiction and alcoholism of Maori with its accompanying child abuse and self abuse are symptomatic of ethnic people in today's new world.

Imagine if the Japanese took over here and you became someone's bitch as they spoke of how unrefined and stupid you were, and your culture was manipulated by a superior intelligence for their own ends.

oh wait.... we have an empire bearing down on us now....karma does exist!

[Winston001]

Imagine if the Japanese took over here and you became someone's bitch as they spoke of how unrefined and stupid you were, and your culture was manipulated by a superior intelligence for their own ends.



Lets see......

Courtesy, respect, jobs for life, high education, strong work ethic, intergenerational families, beautiful gardens, subtle and refined art, homogeneous community, build motorcycles, cars, and technology for the world........


Yeah lets do it. :yes:

[Banditbandit]

Lets see......

Courtesy, respect, jobs for life, high education, strong work ethic, intergenerational families, beautiful gardens, subtle and refined art, homogeneous community, build motorcycles, cars, and technology for the world........


Yeah lets do it. :yes:

Bwhahahahaha ... ask the population of China and Korea and the rest of South East Asia if that is what the Jap invaders gave them during WWII ....

[JimO]

I take it that you don't support their action then? :shifty:

dam right i dont, whatever problem these guys have is with the govment not the yacht club or the local council, the cops should have been there 30 minutes after the protesters set up camp, giving these guys a good battening, these are the guys who pushed our prime minister around on waitangi day, try that in most other countrys and you wont breathe fresh air for a long time, any protesters on any benefit should be removed from it immediately. New Zealand will never be rid of the moaning wingers if the govmnt gives in to them, taxpayers will be proping them up for ever. I dont give a black rats arse who ripped who off 200 years ago its time to move on, maori cant keep blaming european settlement for their failure to to succeed in this century they have the same choices and chances that everybody else has and in some sectors they have better chances, there are lots of good honest hard working maori who just get on with it then there are the ones like these protesting cunts who will never be happy, NZ would be a better place if these guys vanished one night never to be seen again

[JimO]

i see the cunts are back

[SS90]

i see the cunts are back

I was just reading your post above Jimo, I just fee, that your views, while sharded by a large number of Kiwis, and in some points are right...... Are actually missing a vital component.

The truth is that just because the last 20 years Moari have indeed had MASSIVE resources made available to them, does not instantly negate the hundreds of years of "second class citizenship " they have been subjected to.

It is all about the environment you are raised in..... If your preceeding generations before you suffer from a lack of education and social graces, then, logically you are doomed to repeat it.... Because you are raised by your environment.

It is going to take many many years of resources being offered to successive generations of Maori before the culture becomes ones of higher education, and genetic role models (such as us whites have had since day one)

While he is indeed a whitey, and, sometimes unpopular, if I was trying to help a young white kid who was heading into a circle of destruction, due to his family scene being disruptive, I would inform them of John Banks..... A man raised in a state house, by alcoholic benificery parents, who ended up being our top cop, an MP, then the Mayor of Auckland.

He could just as easily have ended up in prison.

[SMOKEU]

While he is indeed a whitey, and, sometimes unpopular, if I was trying to help a young white kid who was heading into a circle of destruction, due to his family scene being disruptive, I would inform them of John Banks..... A man raised in a state house, by alcoholic benificery parents, who ended up being our top cop, an MP, then the Mayor of Auckland.

He could just as easily have ended up in prison.

It was his choice to be a productive member of society. I'm sick of all the hoodrats who go around breaking into cars and beating up innocent people and blaming it on their childhood.

[SPman]

He could just as easily have ended up in prison.
There are many people who think he should be...........

[Banditbandit]

It was his choice to be a productive member of society. I'm sick of all the hoodrats who go around breaking into cars and beating up innocent people and blaming it on their childhood.

Ya mean like those national front scum do ???

[SMOKEU]

Ya mean like those national front scum do ???

I don't know what those cunts get up to.