2011 Honda CBR250R

[musicman]

So Honda seems to be releasing a new 250 to compete with the Ninja 250R!

http://world.honda.com/CBR250R/video/index.html

Looks real nice, but it's a single! Why did they not put a IL4 in it?! (Yes yes I know, emissions laws and costs and everything else, but still, it would've been nice!)

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/273612/images/01honda-cbr250.jpg

[bogan]

don't really think that is gonna compete with the ninja somehow, other than in the look department, but if it goes barrp barrrp like the crf250s it'll still be cool :D

jeebus that things heavy though, 161kg for a 250 single, hope thats with a full tank of gas.

[Gibbo89]

The exhaust looks like it is trying to over compensate for something...

[EJK]

Shit.


Rant over.

[imdying]

Single cylinder
CABS (optional)
EFI

Wonder what it goes like?

[Gibbo89]

It looks like it will be trying to compete with the daelim bike rather than the ninja.

[onearmedbandit]

Fuck me are emission laws getting that strict now that you need an exhaust that big for a 250??

[HenryDorsetCase]

So Honda seems to be releasing a new 250 to compete with the Ninja 250R!

http://world.honda.com/CBR250R/video/index.html

Looks real nice, but it's a single! Why did they not put a IL4 in it?! (Yes yes I know, emissions laws and costs and everything else, but still, it would've been nice!)

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/273612/images/01honda-cbr250.jpg

honda pricing being what it is, it will cost the same as a Street Triple R....

[qwertydog]

If it really is gonna be a single, it shouldn't be wearing the CBR badge...

[CHOPPA]

If it really is gonna be a single, it shouldn't be wearing the CBR badge...

Lots have the CBR badge, its the R or RR on the end that distinguishes

[cowboyz]

looks like a gay fairy baffed up a rainbow. pass.....

[ac3_snow]

I was gonna say that I'd take the 20year old version any day, But holy shit a bike that flys!!! I'm sold:clap:

[Swoop]

The exhaust looks nicer than the VFR1200's ehaust.

[klyong82]

Hopefully Honda will release a CBR250RR model....sportier version haha

[ac3_snow]

could the single cylinder focus be something to do with the shift in motogp classes whom I believe are bringing in a single cylinder 250cc engine class. I know ktm started developing a bike for this class a couple of years back.
I'm sure this new cbr250r engine will be a long way from a factory team competition bike but it could be part of the reason for the shift in focus to single rather than inline 4.
Or it could just be it was easier for them to slice a cylinder off the 999cc engine

[robo555]

Doesn't look that great for a 2011 bike

[imdying]

Didn't stop you from buying a Scorpio though :facepalm:

[McWild]

You would have to be drunk to take that over a Ninja 250.


Because only beer goggles could make it more attractive in any aspect.

[robo555]

Didn't stop you from buying a Scorpio though :facepalm:

My Scorpio looks awesome

[Punchy]

Wow, did anyone watch the commercial?
Just wow. Reminds me of that Indian 'Hero Honda' shit a while back.

[Hiflyer]

looks like the new VFR

ie: like a P.O.S

[Cayman911]

I'd buy this over the ninja without a doubt. based on looks alone.
i actually love this! its just epic.
not to mention all the tech on it
im not really gonna be doing motoGP to worry about engine or what not. and besides. its a honda. they know what they're doing

[sosman]

Faaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggly should be a CB125R

[Genie]

I've looked, and I've looked and nah, my Ninja is way way nicer. It's looks like it trying to be something it just is never gonna to be, bit like a fat chick trying out for cheerleading squad.

[Cayman911]

http://world.honda.com/CBR250R/gallery/image/img_city02.jpg
http://world.honda.com/CBR250R/gallery/image/img_city05.jpg

looks much much better in this colour than that blue/white

[EJK]

It looks like 250kph.

[imdying]

I've looked, and I've looked and nah, my Ninja is way way nicer.I'd wager that when you get them side by side one will look cheap and nasty, and it won't be the Honda.

[p.dath]

At last, they are going to re-release one of the favourite learner bikes in NZ, the CBR250R !!!

http://world.honda.com/news/2010/2101027CBR250R/

http://world.honda.com/CBR250R/archive/EICMA2010/index.html



The CBR250R is equipped with a newly-developed liquid-cooled 250cc 4-stroke 4-valve single-cylinder DOHC engine that is easy to handle.


In the area of safety technology, the CBR250R's specifications incorporate Combined ABS, a world first*2 for a 250cc-class road sports model into a designated type. The Combined ABS makes vehicle movements more stable during braking by bringing together a Combined Brake System (CBS, a front- and rear-wheel interlocking braking system) and an Anti-lock Brake System (ABS, a braking system that prevents wheel lock during sudden braking or under unfavorable conditions).

[Laava]

It's a thumper. The Honda GN250 but with 4 valves. Whoopdee

[Spearfish]

Is the learner approved motorcycle rules coming to NZ?
If so, then will that make the learners stepping through their bike licence look over a bigger bike pool, possibly past the 250 limit?

[brendonjw]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/130320-2011-Honda-CBR250R

All the info in this thread already

[onearmedbandit]

At last, they are going to re-release one of the favourite learner bikes in NZ, the CBR250R !!!

http://world.honda.com/news/2010/2101027CBR250R/

http://world.honda.com/CBR250R/archive/EICMA2010/index.html

Apparently it comes with a search function as well. Just like this website.

[p.dath]

Is the learner approved motorcycle rules coming to NZ?
If so, then will that make the learners stepping through their bike licence look over a bigger bike pool, possibly past the 250 limit?

Yes, the new rules are looking like they will be introduced in 2011, and a 3 year grace period will be allowed for those already part way through their licence.

Based on the Australian model, currently all 250cc bikes except for 4 are approved (and those 4 I believe are mainly 2 strokes).

Apart from that, bikes up to 660cc and under 150kw/tonne are allowed in the Australian model, and we are looking to follow that.

However note that in NZ the registration fee is considerably more expensive from 601cc and over, so I don't think we'll see many bikes sold in the 601 to 660cc learners bracket.

[Moooools]

Looks like crap.
It reminds me far to much of a new VFR.

Actually it looks better not in red.

[Milts]

http://www.gizmag.com/2011-honda-cbr250r-babyblade-250cc/17736/

[racefactory]

Fuck that to hell!!! What blasphemy, damn that is a disgusting looking piece of shit.

They've gone and absolutely disgraced the prestigious name of a motorcycle that will go down in the history books. Couldn't they call it something else like WTF250POS?

This is and always will be the legendary CBR250...

http://www.honda.co.jp/factbook/motor/CBR250RR/19900300/image/012-001.gif

http://www.honda.co.jp/factbook/motor/CBR250RR/19900300/image/004-001.gif

http://www.honda.co.jp/factbook/motor/CBR250RR/19900300/image/002-001.gif

http://www.honda.co.jp/factbook/motor/CBR250RR/19900300/image/016-001.gif

http://www.honda.co.jp/factbook/motor/CBR250RR/19900300/image/001-001.gif

[patarch]

when is it landing in god's own?

hope the engine has got the beans of the crf250 because i've had one of them try rip my arms off a couple times

sad thing is blue wing Honda nz will charge the earth for it too though

[Skinon]

Meh, alright for what it's intended for i spose, but i would rather slice off my asscheek cook it up and eat it, then buy one.

Release a new cbr250rr injected with 50hp honda you bastards!!!

[imdying]

Release a new cbr250rr injected with 50hp honda you bastards!!!Hell no! Then their slow boring bike will be expensive too to boot :no:

[vtec]

Hell no! Then their slow boring bike will be expensive too to boot :no:
It's only slow and boring if the rider is fat and lazy. The CBR250RR is possibly my favourite bike of all time, and I've ridden nearly everything japanese except for the Yamahas.

[imdying]

It's only slow and boring if the rider is fat and lazy. The CBR250RR is possibly my favourite bike of all time, and I've ridden nearly everything japanese except for the Yamahas.You can slice 40-45hp any way you like, it's still slow and boring.

[p.dath]

You can slice 40-45hp any way you like, it's still slow and boring.

-1. I loved the CBR250RR I had. It was light. I was very manoeuvrable. It was great fun.

[Taz]

How much would you guys pay for a new 250cc IL4? Bet they'd be close to 15k. Would you pay that?

[imdying]

-1. I loved the CBR250RR I had. It was light. I was very manoeuvrable. It was great fun.So buy an NSR250, lighter and even more maneuverable, but has the power too. I wouldn't wish an IL4 250 on anybody.

[p.dath]

So buy an NSR250, lighter and even more maneuverable, but has the power too. I wouldn't wish an IL4 250 on anybody.

Nah, not keen on a two stroke. The IL4 is so smooth by comparison with its power delivery. Having a forgiving bike is also nice. :)

[imdying]

Nah, not keen on a two stroke. The IL4 is so smooth by comparison with its power delivery. Having a forgiving bike is also nice. :)Other terms you could replace those with are 'breathless' and 'gutless', but more power to ya :)

Taz, I wouldn't at all, it would still be gutless compared to a 90s two stroke 250; I'd rather have a CBR600 instead.

[racefactory]

You can slice 40-45hp any way you like, it's still slow and boring.

I'm with vtec on this one... I've had everything from 750's, 1000's, 600's and 400's and a CBR250RR is a top bike- just as worthy to own as any of the others.

[racefactory]

How much would you guys pay for a new 250cc IL4? Bet they'd be close to 15k. Would you pay that?

How much were they in 1990 do you know?

[onearmedbandit]

How much were they in 1990 do you know?

In 1991 I was looking to buy, and it was between $6-8K depending on condition and number of 'R's in the model name. And we've already had this argument about 250's vs bigger bikes in your thread.

[imdying]

I'm with vtec on this one... I've had everything from 750's, 1000's, 600's and 400's and a CBR250RR is a top bike- just as worthy to own as any of the others.Well I think you're both full of crap... If it was so magical, for the pittance you pay for one, you'd have one, just like I have a 250 2 stroke to compliment the blade.

[vtec]

I'm pretty sure Racefactory has just got hold of one again. I've owned 4. The VFR400R is on par with the CBR250RR but only because it has more power. Raced CBR250RR's in aussie stock standard and won prize money on Winton and Phillip Island on them. Won the streetstock VMCC series a few years ago on my road one when I only had one bike and had just started racing. They do just shy of 200kmph when drafting, and are THE BEST lane splitting motorbike ever. They just about fall over into corners they are so easy to turn. Phenominal bike.

Last time I raced one in NZ was in F3 at Taupo PMCC meet a few years ago before I moved to Aussie for a year. I came 8th out of 22 bikes, with only 1 of the 400's beating me. The other 6 bikes ahead of me were all SV650s.

Although it should be noted that the mc22 double R is significantly better than the single R variants.

I've just bought a UZ125 hehe for cheap magic carpet style travel. Can't justify a 4th bike, although I've been looking at mc22's. I don't pay regos anyway so I can get as many as I like.

[imdying]

NC30/35 now we're talking! Doesn't require a whole heap more torque than the CBR delivers to have a good ol' time, but the MC22 just ain't there.

[vtec]

Sorry just edited my post to clarify. My race results were on the CBR250RR. Was just doing a quick comparo with my VFR400R. The CBR is a better bike in every way except for torque/power. But the VFR is significantly heavier than the CBR. Weight is one of the most important attributes on bikes for me.

I've had quite a few problems with my VFR. I've had to replace my clutch and my rectifier. Plus the power delivery seems to have some flat spots which sucks. Still it's a lot of fun.

[racefactory]

Yes well you'd be right imdying- I have just recently bought some more MC22 awesomeness.

Oh and a CBR250RR will 'smoke' your 2 stroke seizing, smelly arse on the track :p :p ...I know vtec enjoys dominating them on the MC22. No really, all respect due for the NSR250- potent machine.

onearmedbandit- 6- 8k? Interesting. If that's today's 6- 8k then that's really not much depreciation at all over the years. I always wondered what it would be like to buy a near new VFR400 or MC22 back in the early 1990's... cool times for sure.

[Lula]

I've been test riding this puppy and its cute. For the full review see the May 2011 issue of Motorcycle Trader on sale Monday (2nd May).

[gammaguy]

i know what
C
B
R

stands for in the case of this sad machine

Crashed
By
Riders

as they try to haul its lard ass around and overcompensate for its lack of power.

If this is a MOTO GP replica to be(and sadly,it is,at least in engine configuration)
im off to watch the local croquet champs,they will be more exciting

Better still,wheres my stack of Mid nineties Moto GP videos when they used to ride REAL bikes

[p.dath]

I've been test riding this puppy and its cute. For the full review see the May 2011 issue of Motorcycle Trader on sale Monday (2nd May).

Is your review going to be posted on a web site somewhere?

[Lula]

Is your review going to be posted on a web site somewhere?

Yeap all the reviews are published on our website www.motorcycletrader.co.nz the following month from the magazine on sale date so this one will be here in June, follow this link: http://www.motorcycletrader.co.nz/Articles.aspx

You'll find new and used tests we have done on various models at this location, plus other interesting info :yes:

[Chancebmx25]

fuck that cbr250 is UGLY!!! loooks like rubbish kinda like half the other shit they sell these days.

Rip that pitty motor out. stick a 22 in thea and thrash the living crysis out of it.

[Pinstripe]

Nice to see honda making an effort with a new 250, but ditch that motor. Why didn't they just put a vtr250 engine in it?

[EJK]

Nice to see honda making an effort with a new 250, but ditch that motor. Why didn't they just put a vtr250 engine in it?

If they put a VTR engine in it, it'd be called VTR250 :yes:

VT = V-Twin.

[Dave-]

I'm hanging out for a CBR250RR, derived from a moto3 bike.

edit:

http://www.gizmag.com/2011-honda-cbr250r-babyblade-250cc/17736/picture/129213/

chain driven? interesting.

[Maha]

Available in Red or Black only, looks the part in traditional Blue/Red and White and great entry level price at $7,495.
I would have this over the Kawasaki/Hyosung 250's.
Very smart looking bike and it gets a decent write-up.

[ducatilover]

Interesting...
I'd like to see the EFI VTR250 motor in it, more go, smoother and less development cost :yes:

[Oblivion]

Nice to see honda making an effort with a new 250, but ditch that motor. Why didn't they just put a vtr250 engine in it?

They did it to make it fit in the single banger race category I think :shutup:

[carver]

I've been test riding this puppy and its cute. For the full review see the May 2011 issue of Motorcycle Trader on sale Monday (2nd May).

skidmark should do the crash testing for you as that is what most learner noobs do with them

[gav]

Available in Red or Black only, looks the part in traditional Blue/Red and White and great entry level price at $7,495.
I would have this over the Kawasaki/Hyosung 250's.
Very smart looking bike and it gets a decent write-up.
Red or Black? bugger, I want this one.
237937
Is it faster than a 250 Ninja then? Shouldnt be too hard ... isnt the motor supposedly based on a CRF250 engine?

[gammaguy]

It's a thumper. The Honda GN250 but with 4 valves. Whoopdee

the GN 250 has four valves

[ducatilover]

the GN 250 has four valves
And no-one is sure if it's 22 or 17hp :facepalm:

[brendonjw]

Red or Black? bugger, I want this one.
237937
Is it faster than a 250 Ninja then? Shouldnt be too hard ... isnt the motor supposedly based on a CRF250 engine?

Looking at the spec's i dont think it will be faster than the Ninja, its heavier with less power. It is $1500 cheaper though which is quiet a incentive

2011 Ninja - Weighs 152kg putting out 24KW claimed
2011 CBR - Weighs 162kg non ABS 166kg ABS putting out 19.4KW claimed

[Lula]

Red or Black? bugger, I want this one.
237937
Is it faster than a 250 Ninja then? Shouldnt be too hard ... isnt the motor supposedly based on a CRF250 engine?

We've got the red and silver one at the moment. See page 24 of the May issue of Motorcycle Trader.

[ducatilover]

Looking at the spec's i dont think it will be faster than the Ninja, its heavier with less power. It is $1500 cheaper though which is quiet a incentive

2011 Ninja - Weighs 152kg putting out 24KW claimed
2011 CBR - Weighs 162kg non ABS 166kg ABS putting out 19.4KW claimed
The ABS option is great I think. Most people will cry and moan that you don't need ABS. Then they drop the bike emergency braking in the wet.

[jaffaonajappa]

ok, its pwnd by the Ninja 250.......no surprises there tho really :/

http://www.mcnews.com/mcn/features/2011Apr250s.pdf

[Zadkiel]

That article stipulates it is a bit slower, but the CBR250R wins overall.

[Motig]

With Triumph said to be developing a 250-350cc single this class could get quite interesting.Sort of off the subject quite like the Yamaha MT03 which is 600cc and unlikely to be brought here. For the amount of riding I do a wee single for the occasional blat would be ideal.

[ducatilover]

With Triumph said to be developing a 250-350cc single this class could get quite interesting.Sort of off the subject quite like the Yamaha MT03 which is 600cc and unlikely to be brought here. For the amount of riding I do a wee single for the occasional blat would be ideal.
I quite like the MT03 also, but they've been out a while now and aren't here yet :angry:

[.produKt]

The bike looks like a total sack of shit. Single cyl, 14k rpm's massive pointlessly huge exhaust, heavy, pricey, front wheel isn't wide enough, single sided brakes.

I'll stick to my aging '92 cbr250RR anyday.
Nothing beats a torqueless 20krpm IL4 screaming its nuts off.

[.produKt]

More to say, the bike doesn't deserve it's title CBR as the CBR brand is known for the good stuff, cbr600RR, 929RR, 954RR etc etc

They should have given it a totally plank title/name like Toad or something -_-

[imdying]

And yet, all the reports from reputable sources seem to think it's a great wee bike.

[.produKt]

This bike signifies the downfall of anything exciting made by Honda, specifically for the learner market.

No matter how clever the marketing bumf, the line "Brutal single cylinder acceleration" isn't going to excite even the most testosterone fueled 17 year old.

I'd still tend to disagree with anyone behind a keyboard writing a review on this bike, no matter how prestigious he\she is.

[jaffaonajappa]

This bike signifies the downfall of anything exciting made by Honda, specifically for the learner market.

No matter how clever the marketing bumf, the line "Brutal single cylinder acceleration" isn't going to excite even the most testosterone fueled 17 year old.

I'd still tend to disagree with anyone behind a keyboard writing a review on this bike, no matter how prestigious he\she is.

Really? Youve test ridden it? Or you just like to argue for the sake of.........it.

The wheel is too skinny? They are wider than the 1 litre superbikes of yesteryear - which had four times this HP.

It has only a single sided front disc brake. Errr. Perhaps this is intentional - and not 'only' from a cost perspective. Check out a 125 Grand Prix machine for a hint.

And finally. Dont use the term "exciting" and Honda in the same sentence. It gives me a headache. Ok? Thanks!!

[.produKt]

Really? Youve test ridden it? Or you just like to argue for the sake of.........it.

The wheel is too skinny? They are wider than the 1 litre superbikes of yesteryear - which had four times this HP.

It has only a single sided front disc brake. Errr. Perhaps this is intentional - and not 'only' from a cost perspective. Check out a 125 Grand Prix machine for a hint.

And finally. Dont use the term "exciting" and Honda in the same sentence. It gives me a headache. Ok? Thanks!!
Honda's are exciting.
To be excited is to ride a Honda.
Honda's can excite even the stiffest of trolls

:P

On a slightly more serious note. Yes I have test ridden one.Why? First new cbr 250 in ages I was initially like Fuck! omfg!
I love CBR's but this was a joke beyond comprehension. Yes I do like a fast bike, So I guess this cbr would never be for me but even so from a excitability standpoint, this Honda didn't have it.


This new Honda CBR is to A constipated human finally freeing up the works.
Waited a long time for it but once it arrived it wasn't that exciting.

[ducatilover]

yes, in comparison to the CBR250 of old, it's a spineless, gutless turd. It's a heinous atrocity, disgusting, slow and crap.

But, it's well built, passes emissions laws, noise laws, good on gas, practical and learner legal for more markets than a 45hp one would be. It's a fresh face in the current shit line up of 250's, the Hyawnsung and Kawasucky. It is a Honda and will most likely be super reliable.
It does have a yummy gearbox too (Have finally ridden one in the last week)

not a grunty bike, but I expected no power, went better than I thought it would. Stopped well enough and is in general a well balanced bike and my favourite in terms of ergonomics and "zing" in the current market.
It's a good wee bike all in all.

[ducatilover]

Honda's are exciting.


Sure.....after three Honda's I still don't think they are that exciting. my Bros650 was exciting in a "i'm going to kill you" way, not a happy way...

[.produKt]

Sure.....after three Honda's I still don't think they are that exciting. my Bros650 was exciting in a "i'm going to kill you" way, not a happy way...

In a "I'm going to kill you way" lol nice.

Yeah sure, I'll acknowledge that it was a well built solid, boring and neutral bike. It's kinda like the land transport agency. "Oh noes there's a corner on a highway motorway. Better spend millions straightening it out before a car crashes while taking a bend..." - Nanny State FTL

[ducatilover]

In a "I'm going to kill you way" lol nice.

Yeah sure, I'll acknowledge that it was a well built solid, boring and neutral bike. It's kinda like the land transport agency. "Oh noes there's a corner on a highway motorway. Better spend millions straightening it out before a car crashes while taking a bend..." - Nanny State FTL

it was boring compared to the older 250cc bikes.
I think a great compromise would have been fairings on the VTR250, it has the ummmmm power :shutup: to be up with the Hyosung and Kawasaki.

[imdying]

This bike signifies the downfall of anything exciting made by Honda, specifically for the learner market.Happened long ago, for all the manufacturers.


No matter how clever the marketing bumf, the line "Brutal single cylinder acceleration" isn't going to excite even the most testosterone fueled 17 year old.Much like the old one then...


I'd still tend to disagree with anyone behind a keyboard writing a review on this bike, no matter how prestigious he\she is.The written press seem to like it too...


Perhaps this is intentional - and not 'only' from a cost perspective. Check out a 125 Grand Prix machine for a hint.:msn-wink:

[.produKt]

Happened long ago, for all the manufacturers.

Much like the old one then...

The written press seem to like it too...

:msn-wink:

lol I know that I'm so not alone in my unwavering hatrid :yes:

[actungbaby]

I watched video review and handles real nice so guess it desevers the cbr name
its good price so i think good move by honda

[ducatilover]

Except the CBR range has always been performance orientated and four cylinders, this isn't.

[slowpoke]

This bike signifies the downfall of anything exciting made by Honda, specifically for the learner market.

No matter how clever the marketing bumf, the line "Brutal single cylinder acceleration" isn't going to excite even the most testosterone fueled 17 year old.

I'd still tend to disagree with anyone behind a keyboard writing a review on this bike, no matter how prestigious he\she is.

You are soooooo wrong.....

.....the DN-01 turd-mobile carried out the downfall long before this came along.

[imdying]

.....the DN-01 turd-mobile carried out the downfall long before this came along.Is it true that Honda dealers say it stands for Do Not Order One? :killingme

[stifmyster1]

Ok this is my Newb overview. It is meant for those who are still on the L or have just moved off of it are looking for something
with a little more Oomph but still have Newb tendencies. So being as I’m a Newb myself my thought may be similar to others
and will hopefully help someone make an informed decision.

Took one of these for a test ride today and overall it was good. But there were a few things that need to be looked at.

Pros:
Comfort:
It was incredibly comfortable. It seems to be a cross between the ninja and the Hyosung gt250r. The seat is at a nice height
giving me (5ft9) just enough so that my feet are on the ground but not so much that both feet are flat which i found to be
uncomfortable on the ninja. The handle bars are reasonable high meaning you’re in a reasonably upright position which
doesn’t put too much strain on your arms or back. Something which had me on edge with the Hyosung.

Handling:
It seemed to handle corners very well. However i did notice that if you stuffed up the arc on a turn it wasn’t super easy to
correct (for a Newb) so you need to be quite gentle on sharper corners. Obviously with experience you could fly round without a problem.

Braking:
The front brake seemed a little strong. Even lite braking had you leaning forward. This is either the brakes a little too tight or the suspension not tight enough.
That back brakes were extraordinary. Even with decent braking it seemed like you weren’t using the back break but you could see from the speedo that you
were definitely slowing down. They were the smoothest brakes I had ever used. This is what made the front brakes disappointing.

Display:
I personally am a little disappointed at the design of the display. The centre is completely taken up by a tachometer which is handy.
But also leaves very little room for everything else which is apparent with everything else rather small. The indicators are the best example.
I rarely leave my indicators on my bike and periodically check to make sure of this. However even with me regularly checking it took
me a bit to realise that my right indicator had been on for the past kilometre. I didn’t see it because it was small and is place below
everything else.

The other issue with the display is that on a reasonably sunny day like today with a tinted visor on it is a little difficult to make out
things like speed, fuel and temperature. They are still visible but require a bit of searching so don’t expect to do anyone quick
glimpses when you first get it. Overall it seemed like Honda wanted the focus to be on the tachometer and everything else is secondary.
When it should have been the other way. Because let’s face it. When you’re learning you need to be able to tell the approximate revs from sound alone.

Mirrors:
Something I noticed with the mirrors on both the Ninja and the Hyosung GT250r was that didn’t do a very good job. The bars that held them in
place meant that at the most only half of the mirror was useful as the other was an elbow checking. However on the Honda they are positioned
far enough away from the centre that you can see behind you quite easily without having to move your head. They also slightly shrink the image
I believe as they don’t appear any bigger that Kawasaki’s or Hyosung but you are capable of seeing a wider angle of view. Making them more useful.

Cons:
The first is possibly due to the engine needing some decent wear in but I’m writing this for those who are new to riding and are looking at this bike.

Stalling
The engine seems intent on stalling if under 10kph. The bike has a really decent amount of torque and I’m meaning you’re doing 65-70 before
you know it. But if you don’t utilise this torque from a standstill then it will stall. What i mean by this is that if you put it to about 2000rpm and
start to move off it will insta-stall. I had to get the rpms to around 3.5-4 to be able to move off without a hitch. Something a Newb might not be
used to but will not be a problem with some decent experience under your belt.

Speed
The bike seems very contempt sitting at 60ish. But you find yourself speeding up then slowing down trying to stick at 50kph. It seems as if the
engine was tuned to cruise at 60kph. Unfortunately there are a few cops that will ping learners for this even though it is the most comfortable.

Vibrations
Something that I really hope Honda look at is speed vibrations. There were absolutely none in the footrests but was a fair amount in the
handle bars. The vibrations start at around 80kph and steadily get worse. They stop getting worse at about 110kph. These vibrations are
bad enough that I can see quite a few people needing to stop and rest their hands on long rides. I only rode it for 20minutes and I had
already noticed my hands becoming rather uncomfortable.

Kick-Stand
The last issue I had was the stand. The stand although was made sturdy didn’t feel sturdy. The bike was capable to rocking in all directions
with the slightest of force. The stand also keeps the bike quite vertical which gives me the impression any decent gust of wind will have no
issues what so ever in nocking it over. This of course may not be true for all the CBR250’s but the one I test rode didn’t give me much confidence.

Summary:
Overall it is a very good bike that would be good for a learner and whatever issues are present will hopefully be fixed in the coming years.

I believe this bike would be perfect for someone who feels like the Kawasaki is too small and that the Hyosung is a little too big.
Add to that it’s the cheapest 2011 250 on the market and it is a brilliant beginners bike. But as with any new bike, If you are interested in one
test ride it at least twice over a mix of roads and make sure you like how it feels as well as how it behaves.

[jaffaonajappa]

Stalling
I had to get the rpms to around 3.5-4 to be able to move off without a hitch. Something a Newb might not be
used to but will not be a problem with some decent experience under your belt.

Speed
The bike seems very contempt sitting at 60ish. But you find yourself speeding up then slowing down trying to stick at 50kph. It seems as if the
engine was tuned to cruise at 60kph. Unfortunately there are a few cops that will ping learners for this even though it is the most comfortable.


Hiya, good write up, thank you......and yes - understand its from a rider still gaining experience - its your perspective.

Just want to point out the speed thing. I have a Guzzi that feels most comfortable at 140. Have ridden a Duke that preferred about 160. And yeah...the cops do not like hearing this explanation :)

And.....3500 to 4k revs seems excessive to prevent a stall. I havent ridden the bike (its a Honda yea?:P) but....have you experimented with different speeds at which you geeeentlyyyy let the clutch out? Hope this doesnt seem like a smart ass comment - just that many revs on a learners single250 seems odd.
My yamaha 150 single takes off from idle / 1,450rpm, no worries.....

[stifmyster1]

yea the rev thing suprised me to. my gn will take off at just under 2000 o problem. but even when i slowly let the clutch out it stalled. it was like the bite point was 1 cm from all the way in. there is probably a way to make it easier but for a learner this would be a pain. although i probably should have mentioned it starts instantly so you never actually get stuck. managed to stall start and go with out having to put my feet back down.

[wanpo]

I'm not sure if anyone's made this prediction yet but here's my $0.02 on this model.

As you all know, the Moto125 league is changing to the Moto3 next year, which will be ditching the 2-stroke 125cc bikes and instead compose of 4-stroke 250cc single bangers.

I reckon this CBR250R is a prelude to, and aided in the design of, the engine for this new class.

Also my mid-term prediction is that they will come out with a sportier CBR250RR version when they have a race bike to make a replica of (RR = Racing Replica)

[ducatilover]

To be fair I doubt they'll do that. There are too many restrictions in the markets over the world, 33hp etc etc and making a hot 250 these days would stop it from being learner legal in many countries. :weep:

[imdying]

I reckon this CBR250R is a prelude to, and aided in the design of, the engine for this new class.Sadly, not even a little bit :(


Also my mid-term prediction is that they will come out with a sportier CBR250RR version when they have a race bike to make a replica of (RR = Racing Replica)We live in hope...

[jaffaonajappa]

I'm not sure if anyone's made this prediction yet but here's my $0.02 on this model.

As you all know, the Moto125 league is changing to the Moto3 next year, which will be ditching the 2-stroke 125cc bikes and instead compose of 4-stroke 250cc single bangers.

I reckon this CBR250R is a prelude to, and aided in the design of, the engine for this new class.

Also my mid-term prediction is that they will come out with a sportier CBR250RR version when they have a race bike to make a replica of (RR = Racing Replica)


For the Honda Riders out there......
Your so right.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/138900-Future-bucket-chassis
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/138615-Honda-s-new-Moto-3-customer-race-bike

[Richard Mc F]

There are demo bikes available, ride one then comment, I am biased in it's favour ( those who know me understand:lol:) but I found it strong in the midrange and a delightful commuter, next to fiddle with tyre pressures and suspension, put some more kms on it and "Ahem" explore it's potential:banana:

[Motig]

Filling in the off season had a stroll to the Honda dealers . They had a black 250 must say it looked quite good. Wouldn't say no to one.

[old-coote]

sorry Honda, epic fail :(

[jaffaonajappa]

sorry Honda, epic fail :(

Not at all.
It sounds like an excellent commuter machine, for those wanting some quality and like paying less on gas. And not needing the IL4 30k RPM wizzbangers. Which with LAMS laws soon....this may be what the 250 market becomes focused on. Commuters.

Edit. One problem tho......its a Honda. Yad have to make sure no one recognised you riding it :P

[zeocen]

sorry Honda, epic fail :(

Speak for yourself there big boy.
I think this is a great bike; emissions, cost and sign of the times means we aren't gonna see mass produced screaming IL4 250s anymore. If that doesn't sit well with you then that's cool, but calling this bike an epic fail is hilarity.

I'd pick this over the Hyosung and most definitely over the Ninja250. Seems to be a hit in a few countries.

Awesome bike.

[Cayman911]

This bike, is absolutely fantastic. way above the ninja.
Take a ride and see what I'm talking about.

[jaffaonajappa]

This bike, is absolutely fantastic. way above the ninja.
Take a ride and see what I'm talking about.

Cayman......it might be a V10 motor....or whatever, and look flash for sure. But its hard to take you seriously, when your posting in a biker forum with a car engine avatar.
Now if it was a 1100 hillman hunter engine, id get it.

[EJK]

http://youtu.be/loNOoO8C1f4

[jaffaonajappa]

Such an unfair comparison.....and not as relevant to Kiwi's on their L or R licences as a proper comparo would be. ie, vs Kwka or Hyo equivalents.

I still think these single banger 250's will come into thier own idc, as petrol costs increase, and especially once the new learners laws make the multi cylinder 250's seem 'odd' and overpriced - overcomplicated.

[racefactory]

This bike is just a sign of the times if anything. Cheap, boring, slow; it's a good bike for the Nanny state and recession.

[Botany Honda]

Cheap, well not every one wants to spend big, slow, depends on what you are expecting, boring, well I wouldn't know about that, I have riden one, it is fine, I will take one home this weekend for an extended play:scooter:

This is kind of bike that will bring the new riders into the game, we need that for the sake of our motorcycling future, it will also apeal as an easy to ride economical commuter.

I will admit I am biased, but I do get to ride a lot of different bikes :woohoo:

[7mmWSM]

Cheap, well not every one wants to spend big, slow, depends on what you are expecting, boring, well I wouldn't know about that, I have riden one, it is fine, I will take one home this weekend for an extended play:scooter:

This is kind of bike that will bring the new riders into the game, we need that for the sake of our motorcycling future, it will also apeal as an easy to ride economical commuter.

I will admit I am biased, but I do get to ride a lot of different bikes :woohoo:

:2thumbsup Agree!

Theirs alot of arm chair experts out there and 99% of them who have commented on this post will have no intention of even looking to buy one.
I was suprised at how well it goes and has more power than you would think for a single. The chassis is light feeling and is a dream to negotiate traffic in the city and stable on the open road.
If you're worried about the looks of the muffler, we fitted a 2 Brothers pipe to one and looked awesome and sounded light a 450 MX bike!

[jaffaonajappa]

:2thumbsup Agree!

Theirs alot of arm chair experts out there and 99% of them who have commented on this post will have no intention of even looking to buy one.
I was suprised at how well it goes and has more power than you would think for a single. The chassis is light feeling and is a dream to negotiate traffic in the city and stable on the open road.
If you're worried about the looks of the muffler, we fitted a 2 Brothers pipe to one and looked awesome and sounded light a 450 MX bike!

No disclaimer to this post?
your not working from a Honda shop selling these?

ok, I like the bike. I recently bought a 150 yamaha for town work.....the honda seems even better than the yammy...which i like.
There is a place for these new bikes - more so once fuel costs rise a bit more and the learners licence thing changes.

But come on - people need to get a bit more honest and up front. Talk up the bike...but if you stand to benefit from the sale of them, let people 'clearly' understand your stake in this.

[placidfemme]

wow... thats.... ugly :killingme

[nzspokes]

I looked at one yesterday, better in the flesh in one colour.

Id ride it.

[Flighttime]

I looked at one yesterday, better in the flesh in one colour.

Id ride it.

They do look a lot better in the flesh.

And the one parked in my garage with 700km on the clock looks better still.
I've had plenty of bikes from RG50's to CBR1000 over the years and I know one thing about the CBR250R.. It's a keeper.

[nzspokes]

Ive just realised that my 25 year old CBX has the same engine config but gives 7 more hp. And my bike is 30kg lighter. :woohoo:

Why up grade?

[ducatilover]

Ive just realised that my 25 year old CBX has the same engine config but gives 7 more hp. And my bike is 30kg lighter. :woohoo:

Why up grade?

Because....ummmm.....:facepalm:
And you can make a sweet cafe racer out of yours

[CRF119]

I think it looks better then the ninja but id have to ride the CBR to decide. The Ninja i test rode for a mate felt lie it was going to split in half with all the chassis and suspension flex during braking and cornering. So it would have to be pretty bad to be worse then a Ninja.

Think id take a old tidy CBR250RR over it unless its lasts like 600km on a tank or some thing stupid.

[edwin]

Slightly different with the CBR 150R

[Xander393]

Ok, I've owned this bike for just over a week now and thought I'd say something




Stalling
The engine seems intent on stalling if under 10kph. The bike has a really decent amount of torque and I’m meaning you’re doing 65-70 before
you know it. But if you don’t utilise this torque from a standstill then it will stall. What i mean by this is that if you put it to about 2000rpm and
start to move off it will insta-stall. I had to get the rpms to around 3.5-4 to be able to move off without a hitch. Something a Newb might not be
used to but will not be a problem with some decent experience under your belt.

It took me a little while to figure this out. It does need between 3-4000 rpm before starting or u will stall. Quite frustrating when I was starting out and kept stalling at the lights.




Kick-Stand
The last issue I had was the stand. The stand although was made sturdy didn’t feel sturdy. The bike was capable to rocking in all directions
with the slightest of force. The stand also keeps the bike quite vertical which gives me the impression any decent gust of wind will have no
issues what so ever in nocking it over. This of course may not be true for all the CBR250’s but the one I test rode didn’t give me much confidence.

This too also concerns me. Whenever I park on slightly uneven ground I give the bike a few shakes to see how stable it is and to me it also seems a big gust of wind could knock it over easily.


One thing to note as well, the ABS option for this bike is not available in NZ. Sounds like they didn't want to compete with the Ninja since the price increase would put them pretty equal.

Overall though for my first bike ever, I'm quite enjoying it. It doesn't have much guts on the motorway, but I gotta start somewhere. I know there's a bigger bike in my future! :wings:

[nzspokes]

It took me a little while to figure this out. It does need between 3-4000 rpm before starting or u will stall. Quite frustrating when I was starting out and kept stalling at the lights.


Ive got an 86 CBX250rs which is the same engine configuration. Yes you need some revs on to pull away. You get used to it quickly.

Big difference is mine seems to have plenty of motorway power. But mine has more HP than the CBR and its on carbs. :Punk:

[faredce]

wow thats an ugly bike

[nzspokes]

wow thats an ugly bike

In the flesh in the black colour I think they are the best looking 250 sport out there right now.

[ducatilover]

In the flesh in the black colour I think they are the best looking 250 sport out there right now.

But there's only 3 250 "sport" bikes on the market and they're all crap compared to the older stuff :shifty:

[nzspokes]

But there's only 3 250 "sport" bikes on the market and they're all crap compared to the older stuff :shifty:

Argee, bit sad when my $600 25 year old 250 has 5 more hp than any new one. :no:

[ducatilover]

Argee, bit sad when my $600 25 year old 250 has 5 more hp than any new one. :no:
Probably weighs less too. :laugh:

To be fair, you don't get much for your money with the newer bikes, the resale on them is shit too. I'd rather buy a 250 Hornet for Hyosung money, it'll out last any other 250 and out perform the newer ones. It looks better, because it was actually designed, not some pretty shapes thrown in to a huge mess, it stops as well as any newer 250, it handles as well, if not better and holds it's value very well.

[TIBLE_90]

wow...ugly, slow, and heavy. Somehow i don't think it can compete with the ninja 250 :mellow:

[ducatilover]

wow...ugly, slow, and heavy. Somehow i don't think it can compete with the ninja 250 :mellow:

:laugh: Not much to compete with, the new silly CBR wouldn't fall behind much

[nzspokes]

wow...ugly, slow, and heavy. Somehow i don't think it can compete with the ninja 250 :mellow:

Test on here somewhere that tests the CBR, ninja and Hyosung. CBR won.

Not saying thats a great crowd.

[mikemike104]

I had one of these overnight this Tuesday, while Honda Hamilton were working on the white rocket. I thought it was a great commuter as it was lighter than my brick and seemed to get up and boogie around town, but on a inclined passing lane on the way home trying to get from 80-100 kph to pass a people mover it had nothing, now I know I'm not used to power, but at that moment I knew my extra cylinder and 18cc on my bike would have made that manoeuvre easy enough, where's instead I was ill timed and just another squid learning to ride the hard way.

Good buying at $7500 or so new, I would consider the bike for my wife who thinks the GPX is too heavy, i also like that the seat was taller than mine, made me feel like the bike was bigger.

[Cayman911]

its a great bike. it looks stunning. it goes good. it runs on fumes. and its light and agile.

and really. speeds over 100-120k. easy. constant.

[nzspokes]

Would like to ride one just to see how the 86 version compares to the 11 one.

My guess 86 is quicker. :laugh:

[racefactory]

It looks fucking abominable but the sad reality is that in a couple of years time, this bike will be the only one we can afford to still fill up as petrol prices soar. Say hello I guess...

[milez1987]

Its got the looks. But 3 cylinders short :[

[Brayden]

Man I really don't understand why all these guys buying brand new bikes for like 7 grand or whatever that are really average and don't just get like a 90's cbr or a RG250 or a ZXC they're so much faster and also so much cheaper..

I mean seriously look at this http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-178980102.htm

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-358542536.htm

[brendonjw]

Because paying 6-7K for a 21 yr 250cc bike that only comes with a 3 month warranty seems pretty crazy to me (ie the ones you have linked and the first one doesnt even come with O.R.C), when i got my ninja it was $7200 new with a 12 month wof, 6 month reg and 2 yr warranty. I could save up to $1K by buying a 20 yr old bike and risk things going wrong and having to source the parts, or pay the extra $1K have a 2 yr factory warranty and not have to worry about those issues as well as easier access to parts, plus being a learner i didnt feel like i needed the extra power, i mean in the twisties i can still keep up with lots of the bigger bikes and even gain on some riders and thats where the fun is at for me, sure im at the point where i want a bigger bike now but to start out with i still think it was a good choice for me..

[racefactory]

If you've got your head screwed on in the first place you wouldn't need a warranty. Just a way for them to rip you off more $- they'll always find a way to get out of any claims you might have in the end. Seriously, who the fuck buys second hand bikes from stealerships with the exorbitant prices anyway?

I agree with Brayden, the older CBR250RR and ZXR's are better in every way. The new stuff is pure shit.

[nzspokes]

Because paying 6-7K for a 21 yr 250cc bike that only comes with a 3 month warranty seems pretty crazy to me (ie the ones you have linked and the first one doesnt even come with O.R.C), when i got my ninja it was $7200 new with a 12 month wof, 6 month reg and 2 yr warranty. I could save up to $1K by buying a 20 yr old bike and risk things going wrong and having to source the parts, or pay the extra $1K have a 2 yr factory warranty and not have to worry about those issues as well as easier access to parts, plus being a learner i didnt feel like i needed the extra power, i mean in the twisties i can still keep up with lots of the bigger bikes and even gain on some riders and thats where the fun is at for me, sure im at the point where i want a bigger bike now but to start out with i still think it was a good choice for me..

My CBX cost $675. Im not going to lose money.

Its got 33hp. How much does yours have?

[nzspokes]

the older CBR250RR and ZXR's are better in every way. The new stuff is pure shit.

Agree. I would like a CBR250RR. Dont think it would get boring quick.

[racefactory]

Agree. I would like a CBR250RR. Dont think it would get boring quick.

They don't, I would go back to a ZXR250 or MC22 very happily. Extremely good track bikes too.

[LankyBastard]

Obviously the newer ninja's are total crap because I hardly see any on the roads at all.... Horses for courses I think. I've had both, a new 'ninja' and an older zxr250. I will admit that as I became a better rider I did enjoy the screaming zxr more, but I still have a soft spot for the new ninja, it is what it is and it does it very well.

[ducatilover]

Because paying 6-7K for a 21 yr 250cc bike that only comes with a 3 month warranty seems pretty crazy to me (ie the ones you have linked and the first one doesnt even come with O.R.C), when i got my ninja it was $7200 new with a 12 month wof, 6 month reg and 2 yr warranty. I could save up to $1K by buying a 20 yr old bike and risk things going wrong and having to source the parts, or pay the extra $1K have a 2 yr factory warranty and not have to worry about those issues as well as easier access to parts, plus being a learner i didnt feel like i needed the extra power, i mean in the twisties i can still keep up with lots of the bigger bikes and even gain on some riders and thats where the fun is at for me, sure im at the point where i want a bigger bike now but to start out with i still think it was a good choice for me..


1: An MC19/MC22 will outlast an EX250, this has been proven.
2: You only need to do preventative maintenance 99% of the time, on the CBR, Hornet or EX250 and they still run rings around an EX250.
3: Parts for CBR/Hornet are dirt cheap, I can get brake pads and fork seals for the little Hondas for less tha you can believe.
4: The "older" bikes are built to far higher standards in every department. Get an EX250 to last 150,000km like my Spada did (130,000 were by me and I wasn't kind to it). It bever failed me with the exception of the fuel tap, easy part to source.
5: A CBR/FZR/ZXR/GSXR/Spada/Hornet/Bandit/Katana (Just to name a few) can all be had for $3500 or less, and all perform better.
6: You won't lose as much money on an "old" 250.
7: There is more knowledge out there regarding the "old" ones are far as upgrading and troubleshooting is concerned.
8: If you were keeping up with bigger bikes, they weren't riding fast, this is not 1970, any capable rider on a fat old 1000cc bike can destroy a noob on anything, anywhere.


There is however nothing really wrong with those "new" ad tarted up EX250's, they just don't add up compared to a $3000 CBR250RR, Hornet, Bandit or Spada.

Oil changes are done at the same time.
A CBR/Hornet won't need a cam chain and don't seem to throw the valve clearances out as fast as an EX250.
Chain. tyre, sprockets, fork seals, brake pads seem to wear out in the same amount of time and cost the same to do, with the exception of the Hornet, which has odd tyre sizes.

If you're pulling the "newer bike trick" why not get a second hand EX250 that's done it's big depreciation drop, has been run in and has had its first major service?



Just some biased ramblings, as you were.


EDIT: If you looked at a 20 year old bike for $6-7k, you're fucked anyway.

[racefactory]

1: An MC19/MC22 will outlast an EX250, this has been proven.
2: You only need to do preventative maintenance 99% of the time, on the CBR, Hornet or EX250 and they still run rings around an EX250.
3: Parts for CBR/Hornet are dirt cheap, I can get brake pads and fork seals for the little Hondas for less tha you can believe.
4: The "older" bikes are built to far higher standards in every department. Get an EX250 to last 150,000km like my Spada did (130,000 were by me and I wasn't kind to it). It bever failed me with the exception of the fuel tap, easy part to source.
5: A CBR/FZR/ZXR/GSXR/Spada/Hornet/Bandit/Katana (Just to name a few) can all be had for $3500 or less, and all perform better.
6: You won't lose as much money on an "old" 250.
7: There is more knowledge out there regarding the "old" ones are far as upgrading and troubleshooting is concerned.
8: If you were keeping up with bigger bikes, they weren't riding fast, this is not 1970, any capable rider on a fat old 1000cc bike can destroy a noob on anything, anywhere.


There is however nothing really wrong with those "new" ad tarted up EX250's, they just don't add up compared to a $3000 CBR250RR, Hornet, Bandit or Spada.

Oil changes are done at the same time.
A CBR/Hornet won't need a cam chain and don't seem to throw the valve clearances out as fast as an EX250.
Chain. tyre, sprockets, fork seals, brake pads seem to wear out in the same amount of time and cost the same to do, with the exception of the Hornet, which has odd tyre sizes.

If you're pulling the "newer bike trick" why not get a second hand EX250 that's done it's big depreciation drop, has been run in and has had its first major service?



Just some biased ramblings, as you were.


EDIT: If you looked at a 20 year old bike for $6-7k, you're fucked anyway.


Correct. Very good post, someone had to give in in the end!

The only thing you missed is that the new ninjas etc, apart from fuel injection marketing gimick (come on what's the point really) are just 1980's bikes wrapped up in shiny new plastic. All due respect to Kawasaki!

[nzspokes]

Lots of cheap MC19s about now. Looked at one last night. Whats the difference between the MC19 and MC22?

Are they easy to live with?

[racefactory]

MC22- dual brake disc setup, same engine but slight differences, different frame with more aggressive geometry, different wheel and tyre sizes.

Yes they are easy to live with and never have any problems. Will outlast new hyobag/ninjas as previously stated.

[ducatilover]

MC22- dual brake disc setup, same engine but slight differences, different frame with more aggressive geometry, different wheel and tyre sizes.

Yes they are easy to live with and never have any problems. Will outlast new hyobag/ninjas as previously stated.

There were slight differences in the engine, just less restricted. Good wee bikes aren't they? I love them.
The MC22 is a far better bike to ride, the 19 is great too, but the 22 just does everything better. Don't listen to people who claim the MC19 is just as good. I've ridden good examples back to back over the same road and the 22 is an epic machine (apart from being kind of slow)

[ducatilover]

Lots of cheap MC19s about now. Looked at one last night. Whats the difference between the MC19 and MC22?

Are they easy to live with?

I rode one from Auckland to Pahiatua with out too many problems, had a sore bum but on a 550km ride, what do you expect.

They are very reliable, easy to work on and easy to maintain.

They're fun and fast for a 250 and hold their value very well.

Fairings are cheap for them, aftermarket bits are easy enough to get.

I'd own one as a second toy.

[nzspokes]

Do they do good wheelies? :laugh:

[nzspokes]

Would you rather have a new CBR250 our this,

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-400521700.htm

I likes it alot. :love:

[ducatilover]

Do they do good wheelies? :laugh:
I've never done a decent one on them and I can get anything up (and over....and over...and over.... :D ) but, they will if you're keen enough.


Would you rather have a new CBR250 our this,

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-400521700.htm

I likes it alot. :love:
There's one with those fairings (aftermarket ones; http://www.fairingkits.org/honda-cbr-250r-mc19-repsol-1988-1989-motorcycle-fairing-fk0150.html ) down this way I see it at uni, looks neat. I'd much rather an MC22 though, they look so much nicer, sexy tail...nice swing arm instead of that scungy rectangle one...nicer wheels....nicer everything :Punk:

[Acc4meplz]

If they put a VTR engine in it, it'd be called VTR250 :yes:

VT = V-Twin.

Well i know cbr doesnt stand for inline 4 but all cbr's up until now have been inline 4's.
I would've preferd if they put the vtr engine in and then maby call it something like the Cbr250rv or whatever.
Point is its called CBR but CBR's (up until now) have had inline 4s

[nzspokes]

1: An MC19/MC22 will outlast an EX250, this has been proven.
2: You only need to do preventative maintenance 99% of the time, on the CBR, Hornet or EX250 and they still run rings around an EX250.
3: Parts for CBR/Hornet are dirt cheap, I can get brake pads and fork seals for the little Hondas for less tha you can believe.
4: The "older" bikes are built to far higher standards in every department. Get an EX250 to last 150,000km like my Spada did (130,000 were by me and I wasn't kind to it). It bever failed me with the exception of the fuel tap, easy part to source.
5: A CBR/FZR/ZXR/GSXR/Spada/Hornet/Bandit/Katana (Just to name a few) can all be had for $3500 or less, and all perform better.
6: You won't lose as much money on an "old" 250.
7: There is more knowledge out there regarding the "old" ones are far as upgrading and troubleshooting is concerned.
8: If you were keeping up with bigger bikes, they weren't riding fast, this is not 1970, any capable rider on a fat old 1000cc bike can destroy a noob on anything, anywhere.


There is however nothing really wrong with those "new" ad tarted up EX250's, they just don't add up compared to a $3000 CBR250RR, Hornet, Bandit or Spada.

Oil changes are done at the same time.
A CBR/Hornet won't need a cam chain and don't seem to throw the valve clearances out as fast as an EX250.
Chain. tyre, sprockets, fork seals, brake pads seem to wear out in the same amount of time and cost the same to do, with the exception of the Hornet, which has odd tyre sizes.

If you're pulling the "newer bike trick" why not get a second hand EX250 that's done it's big depreciation drop, has been run in and has had its first major service?



Just some biased ramblings, as you were.


EDIT: If you looked at a 20 year old bike for $6-7k, you're fucked anyway.

Whats you thoughts on say a 1990 FZR250. I like there look.

[racefactory]

Whats you thoughts on say a 1990 FZR250. I like there look.

Same as ZXR/ MC22, just not as many around so parts and common knowledge are not as abundant.

[nzspokes]

Same as ZXR/ MC22, just not as many around so parts and common knowledge are not as abundant.

Theres quite a few on TM at the moment. Going to go look at one during the week. Not sure if I can afford it yet but Im explaining that to the seller to be fair. I want to see what the seating position is like. Dont know why but I really like them to look at.

[ducatilover]

Whats you thoughts on say a 1990 FZR250. I like there look.

The 3LN3 onwards with the faired in headlight? IMHO the hottest looking 250 4cyl. I'd own one in a heart beat unless a CBR was advertised for the same price. Most people cannot ride the FZR/CBR/ZXR faster than one another (if that makes sense....) they all go and handle very well. But the CBR will out last the lot of them.
I've seen a couple of electrical issues with them, nothing major and not many seem to survive past 80,000km. A rebuilt one would be a great bike.

[nzspokes]

The 3LN3 onwards with the faired in headlight? IMHO the hottest looking 250 4cyl. I'd own one in a heart beat unless a CBR was advertised for the same price. Most people cannot ride the FZR/CBR/ZXR faster than one another (if that makes sense....) they all go and handle very well. But the CBR will out last the lot of them.
I've seen a couple of electrical issues with them, nothing major and not many seem to survive past 80,000km. A rebuilt one would be a great bike.



Like this one?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=384865774

[ducatilover]

Like this one?

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=384865774

Yeah that's a 3LN3, damn good looking bike! I'd say it's been thrown down the road, hence the repaint/new fairings, but, most 250's have been on their side a few times.
Looks tidy though, I'd definitely consider it. I'm sure that has been on TradeMe for a while?

[nzspokes]

Yeah that's a 3LN3, damn good looking bike! I'd say it's been thrown down the road, hence the repaint/new fairings, but, most 250's have been on their side a few times.
Looks tidy though, I'd definitely consider it. I'm sure that has been on TradeMe for a while?

Thats not the one Im looking at though. theres one for 2.5k thats an 89. If I sold my bike for good money and some other things to. Maybe sold my body on K rd for a bit I could afford it. Do kinda like my CBX though. Not sure yet, see how I feel on a FZR. Ive had some tumbles in life and the bodys a bit knocked about. Biggest problem I have is a right hip that wont let me lift my leg enough to get on some bikes. Fucked if I can get on a Hyosung GT250 without a box to stand on.

[ducatilover]

Thats not the one Im looking at though. theres one for 2.5k thats an 89. If I sold my bike for good money and some other things to. Maybe sold my body on K rd for a bit I could afford it. Do kinda like my CBX though. Not sure yet, see how I feel on a FZR. Ive had some tumbles in life and the bodys a bit knocked about. Biggest problem I have is a right hip that wont let me lift my leg enough to get on some bikes. Fucked if I can get on a Hyosung GT250 without a box to stand on.

The FZR has a low seat height, all the bikes back then tended too, my ZZR has a low seat height (not anymore...) I have hip problems too, I just pray each time I lift my right leg :laugh: The FZR has a very race-esque riding position though.

[nzspokes]

Also have to see if my tummy will get over the tank to reach the bars. :laugh:

Looks like I will be going down one night after work, maybe tomorrow.

[ducatilover]

Also have to see if my tummy will get over the tank to reach the bars. :laugh:

Looks like I will be going down one night after work, maybe tomorrow.

It'll be fine! :laugh:

[p.dath]

Agree. I would like a CBR250RR. Dont think it would get boring quick.

-1. I loved the CBR250RR when I had it. I originally got it when I got my restricted, but I kept it for quite a while after I had my full. I kept it for so long because it was just such a fun bike.

Nothing ever went wrong on it. Never had anything break down on it.

Even now I think fondly back on it.

[imdying]

Would you rather have a new CBR250 our this,

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/sports/auction-400521700.htm

I likes it alot. :love:A 20 year old pre-crashed Fakesol, or a new CBR? No brainer, new one all the way. Lipstick on a pig that is. Doesn't matter which way you look at it, all the 4 stroke 250s are slow pieces of shite.

[ducatilover]

-1. I loved the CBR250RR when I had it. I originally got it when I got my restricted, but I kept it for quite a while after I had my full. I kept it for so long because it was just such a fun bike.

Nothing ever went wrong on it. Never had anything break down on it.

Even now I think fondly back on it.

I never turn down a ride on one, even after the 600 they're fun :yes:

[racefactory]

I never turn down a ride on one, even after the 600 they're fun :yes:

Fully agree with that.

They can do 1.14 around pukekohe stock so there's definitely some entertainment to be had. Good bikes and I'd have one in a heartbeat.

[nzspokes]

Fully agree with that.

They can do 1.14 around pukekohe stock so there's definitely some entertainment to be had. Good bikes and I'd have one in a heartbeat.

Thats not bad, I struggled to do that in me old race car. It was worth a bit more than a CBR to.

[ducatilover]

1.14 is quick, considering the relative lack of speed on the back straight :yawn:

[nzspokes]

Wonder what my CBX would do?

[ducatilover]

Wonder what my CBX would do?

Faster than my bike :msn-wink:

[DrunkenMistake]

Faster than my bike :msn-wink:

Maybe if you used more than one wheel?.. You would go wheelie fast!

[ducatilover]

Maybe if you used more than one wheel?.. You would go wheelie fast!

:laugh: That's just silly