Legal age for pillions in NZ?

[Guzza]

Anyone know what it is? I have a 10 year old itching to get in the tail gunners seat :)

[driftn]

There is no legal age.

The rule for me when I was A little fella was if my feet could reach the foot pegs then I could go for a ride.

Have fun.

[riffer]

10 year old is fine. My oldest boy, Tim, has been on the back since he was 7 and he's nearly ten now.

His younger brother Nicky has been down the road and back and he's four.

I seem to recall one of our members getting busted pillioning under 1 year old. :shifty:

For me, if they can reach the pegs, and WANT TO go on the back, and can sit still, the only thing stopping them is their mother.

[Crazy Steve]

There is no legal age.

The rule for me when I was A little fella was if my feet could reach the foot pegs then I could go for a ride.

Have fun.

WRONG.

Crazy Steve.

[p.dath]

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For me, if they can reach the pegs, and WANT TO go on the back, and can sit still, the only thing stopping them is their mother.

I think that if I don't tell there mother then it will be okay.

[Rockbuddy]

my five year old comes on the back, so as long as theve got all the right gear no problems, and as said if they can reach the pegs

[Crazy Steve]

Anyone know what it is? I have a 10 year old itching to get in the tail gunners seat :)

The answer is 12years old...

Fck does no one read the roadcode anymore ? ?

Crazy Steve..

[P38]

I took all four of my boys riding and the all loved it.

Our family rule was also if you can touch the pegs your ok to go.

Make sure you have a good fitting hemet and suitable riding gear for them too.

One other thing to consider though is little ones can get sleepy very quickly.

Watch for this as they could fall from your bike.

I used to take them on shorter trips when they were younger and for the longer trips I'd stop often and make them run around a bit.

[Rockbuddy]

ive had a belt made up that i wear with hand grips on it for the kids to hold on to

[MyGSXF]

The answer is 12years old...

Fck does no one read the roadcode anymore ? ?

Where does it say that??? :confused:

The 2008 Road Code for Motorcycles says regarding carrying passengers:

"Once you have your full licence, you may carry one pillion passenger behind you on a motorcycle. This person must sit astride a safe pillion seat, facing forwards, & have both feet on footrests. They must also wear an approved safety helmet"

My oldest son has been coming on the road with me since 2 weeks after his 5th birthday! :Punk:

[NighthawkNZ]

There is no legal age.

The rule for me when I was A little fella was if my feet could reach the foot pegs then I could go for a ride.

Have fun.

what he said...

[Ixion]

Where does it say that??? :confused:

The 2008 Road Code for Motorcycles says regarding carrying passengers:

"Once you have your full licence, you may carry one pillion passenger behind you on a motorcycle. This person must sit astride a safe pillion seat, facing forwards, & have both feet on footrests. They must also wear an approved safety helmet"

My oldest son has been coming on the road with me since 2 weeks after his 5th birthday! :Punk:

That is also my understanding. Size, not age. I ahve also seen chicks carrying sprogs in those papoose carrier back pack things. Since the sprog is not technically a pillion passenger (just luggage) that is also legal I think.

[Max Preload]

Since the sprog is not technically a pillion passenger (just luggage) that is also legal I think.

Baggage. Chicks with kids have baggage!

BTW here's (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2004/0427/latest/DLM303674.html) the regulation. (for pillions, not chicks with baggage. :killingme).

[Guzza]

Sounds like it could be time to hit trade me :)

[Crazy Steve]

Baggage. Chicks with kids have baggage!

BTW here's (http://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2004/0427/latest/DLM303674.html) the regulation. (for pillions, not chicks with baggage. :killingme).

Yeah ok....Im wrong as the law sees it it now..

The roadcode did say 12years old when I sat my test because one of the questions the Police man asked during the 5 oral question..Was what is the Min age of a Pillion and the answer was 12years old..

Crazy Steve..

[JayRacer37]

I took all four of my boys riding and the all loved it.

Our family rule was also if you can touch the pegs your ok to go.

Make sure you have a good fitting hemet and suitable riding gear for them too.

One other thing to consider though is little ones can get sleepy very quickly.

Watch for this as they could fall from your bike.

I used to take them on shorter trips when they were younger and for the longer trips I'd stop often and make them run around a bit.

I went on the bike with Mum and Dad (in between them) from about a year old. Then I went on in front of Dad for a good while - and I often slept there lol. Being on an R90S Boxer BMW, the carbs were my footpegs. It was awesome, I still remember riding there. I clearly remember the first time I got to take the bars and ride myself when I was about 5. When I have kids if they are keen to ride I'll be doing my best to get them there as soon as it is safe :)

[p.dath]

The answer is 12years old...

Fck does no one read the roadcode anymore ? ?

Crazy Steve..

Are you sure about that? I was reading the LTSA web site, and it gives me the impression that as long as the bike has adequate protection children are allowed. The below bit refers to mopeds, but I assume motorcycles would have the same rules.

http://www.landtransport.govt.nz/factsheets/43.html
"You can only carry a passenger if your moped has a pillion seat and footrests for the passenger. A container or seat for an infant must protect their legs from the wheels."

OSH also have another set of rules, so be real carefull if taking the children on a work vehicle.

[peasea]

Yeah ok....Im wrong as the law sees it it now..

The roadcode did say 12years old when I sat my test because one of the questions the Police man asked during the 5 oral question..Was what is the Min age of a Pillion and the answer was 12years old..

Crazy Steve..

Jeez, what year was THAT?

[burden2]

I've been picking up my granddaughter from school on the trike since she was six and she loves it, has me put her helmet on and sits on the seat like Jackie O looking down on all her friends. The only negatives have been from overprotective parents-you know the ones, won't let their little princes and princesses walk to school because of all the "dangers" out there-and only one has had the stones to attempt a comment to which, as you can imagine, my reply left her in no doubt as to how I viewed her disapproval..........she sits on it comfortably, can reach the footpegs easily and knows how to hold on properly so its not an issue for me and once she is a little older I will take her wherever she wants to go.

[skidMark]

WRONG.

Crazy Steve.


you are just trying to keep all the under 5's at your place steve.

[skidMark]

Anyone know what it is? I have a 10 year old itching to get in the tail gunners seat :)


do the girls parents know the age of thier daughters new boyfriend?

[Laxi]

I,ve got my own rule, I just wont take my kids on the bike (to school which is only around the corner excluded) until they're 10, even then I wont be happy to, simply because of the guilt I'd feel if anything happened

[sinfull]

My boy was in controll of the HD at 5 ! I had more control of his body position while he was in front of me and his feet sat nicely on air filter and ign. !
At ten you've been teasing him by not allowing him on the back lol !!

[Laxi]

My boy was in controll of the HD at 5 ! I had more control of his body position while he was in front of me and his feet sat nicely on air filter and ign. !
At ten you've been teasing him by not allowing him on the back lol !!

yeah stupid thing is him & his sister have hat pocket bikes since they were 5 and it dosn't worry me when they ride those (even though the boy has his at full speed) just somthing about having them come off my bike worries me

[sinfull]

yeah stupid thing is him & his sister have hat pocket bikes since they were 5 and it dosn't worry me when they ride those (even though the boy has his at full speed) just somthing about having them come off my bike worries me
Yeah understand ya dilema and if they got thier own bikes they prolly rather ride than sit on the back anyway lol
Just as a footnote my boy is 22 now and still aint got his licence !

[Laxi]

Just as a footnote my boy is 22 now and still aint got his licence !

disown him!:lol:

[crazyhorse]

There is no legal age. My kids were on the back of my bike from when they were 8 and 10. We did lots of road trips with them. Being sensible, of course

[Rogue Rider]

Does anyone know if there is a legal minimum age for pillions on a motorcycle here in New Zealand.
I have looked at LTNZ site to no avail, all I could find is pillion must have secure safe foot rests and wear an approved safety standard helmet?

Just considering what age kids should be before they ride on the back. If they can hold on secrurely as well as have appropriate safety gear it should be ok I guess.

Any info appreciated. Cheers:sunny:

My kids love bikes but just not sure if they are old enough yet.

[imdying]

not sure if they are old enough yet.Then they're not. No hurry man :scooter:

[rustyrobot]

The law says that they just have to be able to sit with both feet on the pillion pegs. There is no age limit.

AA
http://www.aa.co.nz/motoring/tips/ask-jack/advice/Pages/Children-as-pillion-passengers.aspx

Road code
http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/motorcycle-road-code/about-your-responsibilities/responsible-riding.html#carrying-passengers

[Spazman727]

If you're not sure they're old enough, wait until they are. You don't want anything bad to happen.

[Rogue Rider]

The law says that they just have to be able to sit with both feet on the pillion pegs. There is no age limit.

Agreed, thats all I could find too. What do people think is a practical age to ride pillion. is 5,6 and 7yr olds too young?

[Spazman727]

Agreed, thats all I could find too. What do people think is a practical age to ride pillion. is 5,6 and 7yr olds too young?

Depends how tall and responsible they are. I see some kids on the back of bikes that to me look way to young/small to be a pillion. I guess if you're happy that they will be able to reach the pegs and not fall off they'd probably be ok. I don't know how big a 7 year old is these days. I went on the back of a bike at a school fair when I was about that age and I'm still here to tell the tale so I guess that age is ok.

[98tls]

Agreed, thats all I could find too. What do people think is a practical age to ride pillion. is 5,6 and 7yr olds too young?

7, not at all.Was riding an SL125 Honda when i was 9 which compared to kids bikes today was a bloody CBX.Unbeknowns to me the old man used to stick me down the fronmt of his swanny with a set of goggles round my head and tottle off down the road on his Trident when i was 2/3.Cant imagine trhere would be any problem at 5 but better safe than sorry eh and 7 should be good top go.Bet he/she loves it.

[raftn]

Agreed, thats all I could find too. What do people think is a practical age to ride pillion. is 5,6 and 7yr olds too young?

I started taking my son when he was 8. Getting the right gear was the problem, not his age!

[Rogue Rider]

I started taking my son when he was 8. Getting the right gear was the problem, not his age!

Yeah, thats my big thing, is having the riding gear to suit. The need the jackets pants etc. Helmets are the easy part.

[raftn]

Yeah, thats my big thing, is having the riding gear to suit. The need the jackets pants etc. Helmets are the easy part.

I did find some good gear on trade me, It was buffalo stuff. You just have to keep looking it does come up from time to time,

There seems to be a lot of people looking for gear for the kids.

If you are interested I wrote about about kids and bikes here.

http://rogerfleming-raftnn.blogspot.com/2010/10/kids-and-motorbikes.html

[rustyrobot]

Yeah, there have been a few of us mulling it over in the parents group too. The dilemma of spending hundreds and hundreds on gear that will only fit for 6 months or a year. We discussed hand-me-downs but all the kids seem the same age dammit.

Really enjoyed your blog post about it Roger and it totally motivated me to get my boy out on the bike - he LOVES it! Still only short trips no because.... no appropriate gear.

[raftn]

Yeah, there have been a few of us mulling it over in the parents group too. The dilemma of spending hundreds and hundreds on gear that will only fit for 6 months or a year. We discussed hand-me-downs but all the kids seem the same age dammit.

Really enjoyed your blog post about it Roger and it totally motivated me to get my boy out on the bike - he LOVES it! Still only short trips no because.... no appropriate gear.

Cheers thanks for that, it is diffucult they grow up so fast, will probably be looking at selling my sons stuff, maybe getting small womens stuff soon. Two weeks time I am taking him away for the weekend , unless the x gets the lawyers onto me, ( she has tried that before). It is great fun, just have to remind myself that he is there!

[AllanB]

I've been wondering the same for some time. No problem re height - my 12 year old daughter has just passed me in height :facepalm: and my 8 year old son is very tall for his age.

Gear is the deal I guess- I'm pretty anal about it and there is a fair investment to set them up.

Lotto? :yes:

[baptist]

Cheers thanks for that, it is diffucult they grow up so fast, will probably be looking at selling my sons stuff, maybe getting small womens stuff soon. Two weeks time I am taking him away for the weekend , unless the x gets the lawyers onto me, ( she has tried that before). It is great fun, just have to remind myself that he is there!

Good blog mate, I know once I am legally able too my eldest daughter will be on the bike with me, she has really taken to my little bike (I may well keep it for her so she can use it to learn on in a year or two). I hope you have another great trip with your boy, it may be more risky than driving but look at the kids face ... :woohoo: priceless (your ex maybe needs to see the joy it gives her son?).

As for age as per original question .... dunno :facepalm: 7 or 8 I guess.

[Sensei]

Both my boys from before 2 ys old have being on my dirt bikes around tracks & my farmlet , my youngest now 7 has being going on 150 k trips on my TT600R since 4 & now goes on the back of my RSVR for 1+ hour rides without any worrys but has being riding his own bike since 3-1/2 ys old . Good safety gear & the fact they feel safe about going is the main thing for me .

[MIXONE]

I've been taking my kids on the back since they were 8 or so no worries.

[Mom]

Does anyone know if there is a legal minimum age for pillions on a motorcycle here in New Zealand.

My kids love bikes but just not sure if they are old enough yet.

Three points of contact required, bottom and both feet. If you are not sure they are ready then they are not ready. Age is but a number, as you get older you will appreciate that saying more and more :D

[hellokitty]

My husband found that his youngest couldn't get his arms around him to hold on, and my Mum has the same problem with my Dad - they got "love handles" which
is a belt that the rider wears over the jacket with handles on for the pillion to hang onto.
Works really well for Mum and Dad - should be good for the kids too.

[Ocean1]

Three points of contact required, bottom and both feet. If you are not sure they are ready then they are not ready.

Meh, it's for applications exactly like this that they invented duck tape.


Age is but a number.

What fookin’ number are my knees then? By the feel of ‘em it must be pretty bloody large.

[fuknKIWI]

If you're not sure they're old enough, wait until they are. You don't want anything bad to happen.

Do YOU really ride a bike? You don't want anything bad to happen. :facepalm:
Padded cell for one please:violin:

My duaghter got her first ride when she was just over a year old old sandwiched between me & my pregnant wife. The first ride was to the ed of the cul de sac & back, she loved it so the next rides were in a local national park with no traffic intersections or pigs.

Also I've seen some pretty good "kids foot pegs"on some bikes:yes:

[red mermaid]

I worked with a cop a few years back that had gone to a crash where a young chinese boy had fallen backwards off a bike.

Did his head (the kids) in nicely.

Also did the cops head in, he still cried everytime he told the story and it was a few years after.

So yeah, take the advice of those 'wise ones of KB' and give it heaps...she'll be right, I mean its only a kid, you can breed another easy as.

[fuknKIWI]

I worked with a cop a few years back

Also did the cops head in, he still cried everytime he told the story and it was a few years after.

Yep love it when "HARDMEN" go soft on us...

[red mermaid]

No, not really that hard, just a guy doing a job who was going to have to live with the consequences of someone else's silly decision for the rest of his life.

[Hawkeye]

It is great fun, just have to remind myself that he is there!


Why not invest in something like the BT Intercom system.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Helmets-clothing-footwear/Other/auction-327729456.htm

I've just recently got a set of these and they are brilliant. Allows me to talk to the youngun on the back (as well as mates with the same system).
Helps with the comfort factor because you get feedback from them that everything is ok and they are enjoying it.

[igor]

My 5 yr old has been going since 4 yrs old. He is a big boy about the size of 7 or 8 yr olds. (hes 1.36m) Feet must stit of foot pegs and not be able to go in towards rear wheel. I have pannier frames so no problem. Fits his mother $1200 Arai helmet which is real light.

The best thing I have is a Baehr intercom so he can always talk to each other to see how he is and if warm enough etc. The Baehr system is awesome.

Only fright I had with him was first time we went out and as I accelerated on a uphill overtaking taking lane on a bend I could hear screaming through the intercom. I am think ing why is he screaming and them work out it was actually "Yeeeeeehaaaaaaa, this is fun Dad".

Been slowly taking him for longer and longer rides. He is up to 1 hr now. He is now reading the road and you can feel him moving for the next corner.

I have had him on my mountain bike since the age of 1yr old and he now rides up to 25kms on rides on his own 20 inch bike. Taken him to Rotorua mountain biking and he loves it.

Mention the motorbike and he is running to the garage. I think the combination of cycling and motorcycling is great for him.

[scumdog]

Yep love it when "HARDMEN" go soft on us...

You KNOW he's a "hardman"?:blink:

[fuknKIWI]

You KNOW he's a "hardman"?:blink:

Isn't it part of the job description?

[Taz]

You don't want anything bad to happen.

No one wants anything bad to happen but the flip side of this is that given some responsible riding it's much more likely that something good will happen. I don't want my kids to be scared of living.

[Mokadah]

Meh, it's for applications exactly like this that they invented duck tape.

Bungee cords tbh. But still I'd wait until they were at least 5 or 6.

[Love my Bonnie]

My son has been on bikes, his own, mine & his dads his whole life.
He can ride as well as I can, if not better.
Hes 16 now & still happily jumps on th eback of mums bike for a blast.
I am very mindful that it is my child on the back of my bike, slows me down lots.

when i was a kid (fucken ages ago) my parents had bikes. My little bro used to fall asleep on the back, so my dad would bungy him to the pack rack. Crazy!!!

[igor]

My Mum & Dad had bikes and rode around NZ. Had a bike each. Think the Coro Loop was a bit different those days.

Last time my Dad rode a bike was about 1985 by himself. My wire wheel Katana 1100. He comes back and goes. I was riding along thinking I was doing 100km/h and looked down at the speedo and was doing 160kmh.

[Gorgeousplak]

Cruising between 100 and 120kmh yesterday on mine and damn bikes with pillions taking big risky passes at windbreak speeds 160kmh on double overtaking lanes using opposing traffic lanes, shocked to see from rear, one child on back with legs no where near passenger rests. Clothing on child's legins up to knees so bare skin and definitely not right gear on..

[Maki]

Well, my 7 year old is finally big enough to sit on the back of my R6. Not big enough to go out on rides, but big enough for a taste. I took her for a little first gear ride up and down the dead en street we live in and when we got back home and I took her off the bike she insisted on one more ride and would NOT take no for an answer. I had to oblige and she was very happy. Seems like she would like to go out on some real rides one day, fairly short ones since the R6 is not very comfortable for pillions...

Now, I wonder, at what age would you give a kid a helmet and gear so they can go out with you on a real ride? Something like 10?

[MSTRS]

There is no age, as such. The legalities are that the pillion must be wearing a helmet, and must be able to have both feet on the pegs.
Big responsibility taking a kid, tho. You'd have to be sure the kid was sensible, etc.

[Maki]

There is no age, as such. The legalities are that the pillion must be wearing a helmet, and must be able to have both feet on the pegs.
Big responsibility taking a kid, tho. You'd have to be sure the kid was sensible, etc.

Thanks. The kid is perfectly sensible. It's me I worry about. :woohoo:

[Grubber]

I have 2 girls and they started riding pillion at 8 years old.
started with smaller local rides for a while then up to a day out when they could be trusted to ride well.
This easter i am taking my now 14 year old away for a road trip round the East Cape.
both my girls ride pillion like a pro and i would take them anywhere with me.
I say as long as they can learn to sit still and eventually lean into corners, why not take them with you.
It's an awesome way to spend some quality time with them one on one.
I've done many miles with both my girls over the years. My 24 year old still hangs out on the back when she can.:woohoo:

[Maki]

Thanks, yes, sit still sounds like good advice. I have to admit I don't have much experience with pillions. Would it not be correct to tell them to relax and not try to lean one way or the other? They should just act as if they are part of the bike, and they should never try to pull you, the rider to one side or the other. Maybe lean a little into the corner, but never ever our of it. I have ridden with someone who tried to pull out of the corner and it was not a very nice feeling...

[MSTRS]

Tell them to pretend they are a sack of potatoes...ie DO NOTHING.

[allycatz]

My 11 year olds first ride on the back of a Busa.....wearing my gear and yes she did put gloves on as well.....she is now nagging me for a dirt bike

[Grubber]

Thanks, yes, sit still sounds like good advice. I have to admit I don't have much experience with pillions. Would it not be correct to tell them to relax and not try to lean one way or the other? They should just act as if they are part of the bike, and they should never try to pull you, the rider to one side or the other. Maybe lean a little into the corner, but never ever our of it. I have ridden with someone who tried to pull out of the corner and it was not a very nice feeling...

Correct! I think i implied leaning into corner, but yea relax and go with the bike. Nothing worse than have them fidget around back there when you are trying to negotiate a corner though.
My kids are into the corner before i am now days. Awesome to ride with.
I think you will get it sorted. Just talk them lots and let them know what you need them to do to be safe.

[Grubber]

My 11 year olds first ride on the back of a Busa.....wearing my gear and yes she did put gloves on as well.....she is now nagging me for a dirt bike

Yea i can relate to that. Mine already has one and she rides it quite well. Trouble is she wants to ride a road bike now as the dirt bike just doesn't cut the mustard.

[allycatz]

Correct! I think i implied leaning into corner, but yea relax and go with the bike. Nothing worse than have them fidget around back there when you are trying to negotiate a corner though.
My kids are into the corner before i am now days. Awesome to ride with.
I think you will get it sorted. Just talk them lots and let them know what you need them to do to be safe.

I explained to my daughter....looking over L shoulder for L corners and R shoulder for R corners but if she found that confusing I showed her a spot to focus on on the riders helmet and that way she just naturally went with the rider and bike

[maggot]

Another thing I was told when I started pillioning was to bloody well SIT STILL at the lights or at a standstill. Apparently it's a right pain in the arse for the rider trying to keep the bike nice and still with some lout on the back shifting around. Probably won't make much difference with your wee one though, doubt she weighs enough to be too much of a burden.

[slofox]

I pillioned both my kids from about 7 years old onwards...(all those years ago...)

[Little Miss Trouble]

Another thing I was told when I started pillioning was to bloody well SIT STILL at the lights or at a standstill. Apparently it's a right pain in the arse for the rider trying to keep the bike nice and still with some lout on the back shifting around. Probably won't make much difference with your wee one though, doubt she weighs enough to be too much of a burden.

Bwahaha I slapped my little* brother for doing exactly that the first time I took him on the back.
*He's 6 foot tall and 70something kg to my 5'4" and 60something

[diablo]

they should make some sort of strap (or velcro) to attach kids to ya back..
i would worry bout losing one off the back (and not noticing :shit:)

[4AGE]

Maybe chuck pack rack on. For a bit of peace of mind about them coming off the back.

[Hawkeye]

Take my 12 year old on the back regular. She's been riding pillion for about 4 years now. Started off with doing the Wellington Toy Run and progressed from there.
She loves the street cred she gets when she turns up for school on the bike now.

Recently got a set of THESE (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Helmets-clothing-footwear/Other/auction-368100008.htm) .


It now means I can chat to her and if she is doing something wrong, I can tell her instantly. Also great for the one on one time when we are riding.

The other bonus is I can go out riding even when on call as I can now answer the phone. Some prefer to turn the phone off. But when I'm on call, at least I can now :ride: which is better than the other option :nono::ride::weep:

[Oakie]

God. When I get home I'm usually met by little Miss four and a half running down the drive demanding "ride on the road, ride on the road". Fortunately we live at the end of a quiet cul-de-sac so I'm usually able to give her a couple of loops on the road before motoring up into the garage. She'd love to go for a proper ride but that's a wee way away yet.

[Eyegasm]

Hi Maki

Sent you a PM but found an image on the net.

Should be available in NZ stores, added safety if you are worried about them falling off...

Belt works with the riders weight, So as long as you are on the bike, so will they.

236492
Not in English but give you an idea

Cheers

[gale_wolf]

That rider/pillion belt looks interesting. I've been wondering when I should take my 8 yr old for her first ride, she's certainly big enough and responsible enough. Her mother's not so keen on the idea though, too many careless idiots on our roads.

[Grubber]

Take my 12 year old on the back regular. She's been riding pillion for about 4 years now. Started off with doing the Wellington Toy Run and progressed from there.
She loves the street cred she gets when she turns up for school on the bike now.


Recently got a set of THESE (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Helmets-clothing-footwear/Other/auction-368100008.htm) .



It now means I can chat to her and if she is doing something wrong, I can tell her instantly. Also great for the one on one time when we are riding.

The other bonus is I can go out riding even when on call as I can now answer the phone. Some prefer to turn the phone off. But when I'm on call, at least I can now :ride: which is better than the other option :nono::ride::weep:

I can relate to this. This is where mine started also. Local toy run at age 7 then didn't want to hop off. Biggest thrill was dropping them off at school on the bike. Only time i have ever seen them skite.

Yup had to get one of these too. Kids ended up singing to me all day. Pretty cool really.


God. When I get home I'm usually met by little Miss four and a half running down the drive demanding "ride on the road, ride on the road". Fortunately we live at the end of a quiet cul-de-sac so I'm usually able to give her a couple of loops on the road before motoring up into the garage. She'd love to go for a proper ride but that's a wee way away yet.

Very cool to see all the enthusiasm at this age.


That rider/pillion belt looks interesting. I've been wondering when I should take my 8 yr old for her first ride, she's certainly big enough and responsible enough. Her mother's not so keen on the idea though, too many careless idiots on our roads.

I was lucky with my, now ex wife, she was a great rider and trusted me with them. After all they are my kids i guess too. Always helps with that support and the best part is she still supports them riding, even though she is ex.

[wysper]

I pillioned both my kids from about 7 years old onwards...(all those years ago...)

My little girl got her first helmet and boots at 6. Finding gear is much harder. She is pretty small. We have been on a few rides. No more than 30 min so far.
I think she is a bit small so we have stopped for now.


they should make some sort of strap (or velcro) to attach kids to ya back..
i would worry bout losing one off the back (and not noticing :shit:)

They do... I see someone has already posted something about them.


Maybe chuck pack rack on. For a bit of peace of mind about them coming off the back.

Yeah that is the reason I am gettting a sissy bar for my bike. I will get a removable one so I can take it off when she is not on the bike with me.


9-10 is probably a better age for road riding. But alot will depend on your child.
And if you can find them some decent gear.

[gale_wolf]

I was lucky with my, now ex wife, she was a great rider and trusted me with them. After all they are my kids i guess too. Always helps with that support and the best part is she still supports them riding, even though she is ex.
True that, good to have her support and understanding. My wife has ridden pillion with me for many years so she trusts me, it's every other mad bugger on our roads that she doesn't trust. She's slowly coming round though, she knows I'll be extra careful with precious cargo on board.

[Banditbandit]

Well, my 7 year old is finally big enough to sit on the back of my R6. Not big enough to go out on rides, but big enough for a taste. I took her for a little first gear ride up and down the dead en street we live in and when we got back home and I took her off the bike she insisted on one more ride and would NOT take no for an answer. I had to oblige and she was very happy. Seems like she would like to go out on some real rides one day, fairly short ones since the R6 is not very comfortable for pillions...

Now, I wonder, at what age would you give a kid a helmet and gear so they can go out with you on a real ride? Something like 10?

No set age .. but big enough to hang on and not fall off ... and sensible enough not to fall off.



My 11 year olds first ride on the back of a Busa.....wearing my gear and yes she did put gloves on as well.....she is now nagging me for a dirt bike

That's always the risk you take, putting a kid on a bike .. suddenly you get "I want one!"

[allycatz]

That's always the risk you take, putting a kid on a bike .. suddenly you get "I want one!"[/QUOTE]

She has had a go on an 80cc bike and was totally fearless. Her 11 year old twin brother on the other hand loves bikes but won't go near one

[R1madness]

I used to take my daughter to kindy on the back of my FZR1000 when she was 4. Full riding gear was impossable to buy here so i got a jacket from USA which has been passed onto friends now. It was cheap enough at about $100. A proper youth helmet (dont buy an XS adults one) in XXS (fullface) has done the rounds as well. The gloves were a problem but ended up buying kids xxs MX gloves and stitching extra leather panels on them. Sturdy jeans and boots that cover the ankles completed the job.
I hear people say .... but what about when you crash???? Are you mad??? Well the only answer is that kids are killed in car crashes all the time but i bet you still put them in the car. Riding with your kids requires a total "ride safe" attitude but can be very rewarding.
My Daughter is now 16 and still loves to come on my bike, she has all the good riding gear and is the best pillion i have ever had.
Ride safe, be smart and dont scare them and they will be the future of motorcycling..

[wysper]

I used to take my daughter to kindy on the back of my FZR1000 when she was 4. Full riding gear was impossable to buy here so i got a jacket from USA which has been passed onto friends now. It was cheap enough at about $100. A proper youth helmet (dont buy an XS adults one) in XXS (fullface) has done the rounds as well. The gloves were a problem but ended up buying kids xxs MX gloves and stitching extra leather panels on them. Sturdy jeans and boots that cover the ankles completed the job.
I hear people say .... but what about when you crash???? Are you mad??? Well the only answer is that kids are killed in car crashes all the time but i bet you still put them in the car. Riding with your kids requires a total "ride safe" attitude but can be very rewarding.
My Daughter is now 16 and still loves to come on my bike, she has all the good riding gear and is the best pillion i have ever had.
Ride safe, be smart and dont scare them and they will be the future of motorcycling..


Good post this, borders on being to sensible for KB.

[Blackshear]

Personally, when they are of age to know the full risk associated with riding a motorbike, or when they know what SIT THE FUCK STILL means.

And when the pillion is hawt...

[terbang]

My daughter Geo has ridden on the back of my bike since she was seven. And we've done some kays as well. We rode across Australia and across France and Germany on a 1200 Bandit and did the South Island on a Hayabusa. Though she hasn't got a licence, she can ride real well on her trail bike.

Even after flying down the road after we impacted a car recently, she still gawks at motorcycles and reckons that they are the coolest way to travel. She's 19 now.

[trustme]

Started taking my daughter when she turned 9.She turned 10 while we were on a tour around the SI
Rules I use
1/ Take it easy, ride carefully
2/ Stop often
3/ Don't try to cover big distances, you will turn the kid off
4/ Don't get them too cold or wet
5/ Make some of your stops centred around kids stuff. the novelty of pubs & cafe's soon wears off
6/ ATGATT, no if's but's or exceptions. I got jacket pants & gloves from these guys.
www.starider.com.au

[Mystic13]

I took my son for his first long ride at 11. He loves being on the back. He dos ride a dirt bike for fun. The reason I waited so long is in the event we do bounce down the road I wanted his body to be a little bigger for that experience.

Rode Auckland to Raglan and back. He's a natural as a pillion. When we got back he told me he's getting a bike licence first and as soon as he can. He'll be good on a bike. We'll do more longer rides together.

[diablo]

came across this: http://www.badpennycustoms.com.au/zen/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=80_133_519&products_id=249

[Maki]

Thanks everyone. Her mum has said that our daughter is not going to be riding pillion until she is 10. She has spoken, and she is the boss so that is the way it is going to be. I don't really mind, the responsibility of taking a little one for a ride is very heavy and if something were to happen I would be devastated. Did I mention the mum is the person who gave me (let me spend our money on) my bike so her word carries quite a bit of weight. :)

[wysper]

Thanks everyone. Her mum has said that our daughter is not going to be riding pillion until she is 10. She has spoken, and she is the boss so that is the way it is going to be. I don't really mind, the responsibility of taking a little one for a ride is very heavy and if something were to happen I would be devastated. Did I mention the mum is the person who gave me my bike so her word carries quite a bit of weight. :)

Thats fair enough. It is much better if Mum is on board with the whole thing. My wife doesn't LOVE it, but knows that my daughter does and I enjoy sharing a hobby of mine with her.

But as I said before, we are on hold for a bit for her to get a bit bigger!

[MSTRS]

In most families, the underlying ethos is 'If Mama aint happy, aint no-one happy'

[trustme]

There is an easy solution, teach mum to ride

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee62/trustme_photos/094-2.jpg

Worked for me. Mum is still nervous about the little one riding, mums never change.

Your time will come

[Hawkeye]

In most families, the underlying ethos is 'If Mama aint happy, aint no-one happy'

Amen to that brother!

[raftn]

I have pretty much been taking my kids since they were about 8, they are both very good pillions now, some times I even forget they are there.

Here is a blog about one of the trips I took my son on...

http://rogerfleming-raftnn.blogspot.com/2010/11/man-boy-and-bike.html

You will have great times together, one on one time is the best, kids always really enjoy it. I think my son feels quite the lad when he is on the bike with me. Be sure to get some good gear,and it can take a while to find it. You will be surprised at how much you also enjoy the ride, simple because you cannot fang it when you have a precious cargo on board.

I think the biggest day I have done with Nathan is about 450kms...never complained though.

[The Lone Rider]

Well, my 7 year old is finally big enough to sit on the back of my R6. Not big enough to go out on rides, but big enough for a taste. I took her for a little first gear ride up and down the dead en street we live in and when we got back home and I took her off the bike she insisted on one more ride and would NOT take no for an answer. I had to oblige and she was very happy. Seems like she would like to go out on some real rides one day, fairly short ones since the R6 is not very comfortable for pillions...

Now, I wonder, at what age would you give a kid a helmet and gear so they can go out with you on a real ride? Something like 10?

Law states as long as they can sit on the pillion seat and comfortably place both feet flat on the foot pegs that you can take a pillion on your bike, at your discretion.

[cheshirecat]

3 years old -
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[ajturbo]

Luke has been on the back from a very early age... but when he was 12 months old (like last year) i had a side chair... till he was around 3 years.... then by the time he was 13 years, he was trying to get his knee down on the back of the buell..:facepalm:

[Floppy disk]

Folks,
Does anyone know what the minimum age is for a ride pillion behind a fully licensed rider? I am not after common sense or wise advices here :Offtopic:. I am after the law stipulations. :Police:

[bluninja]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/130350-Legal-age-for-pillions-in-NZ

[Floppy disk]

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/130350-Legal-age-for-pillions-in-NZ

Thanks! But that thread does not answer the question from the law perspective. Advices and people stories are not what I am after, and the Road code page one person referred to does not refer to age so I am not sure it means age is irrelevant. Some say "three points of contact" is what matters, i.e. bum and feet touching properly, but is that the law? I wonder.

[Erelyes]

Thanks! But that thread does not answer the question from the law perspective. Advices and people stories are not what I am after, and the Road code page one person referred to does not refer to age so I am not sure it means age is irrelevant. Some say "three points of contact" is what matters, i.e. bum and feet touching properly, but is that the law? I wonder.

Clauses 7.6 - 7.10 of the Land Transport (Road User) Rule 2004 talk about the requirement for child restraints.
Clause 7.11 (http://legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2004/0427/latest/DLM303629.html?search=sw_096be8ed80c75141_motorcyc le_25_se&p=1&sr=8) goes on to specifically exempt motorcycles from requiring such restraints.

I would take that as pretty specific that under-7's are allowed to ride on a motorcycle, since the provision was given to exempt them from requiring a restraint.

If you search 'Age' 'Years' 'Child' in that same Rule, nothing else comes up stating that there is an age limit.

[superjackal]

Interesting question. My daughter's 6 and I pick her up from school. She usually sits on the front and we ride home at walking speed on the pavement. She LOVES it. Would be easier/faster as a pillion.

What type of helmut would be required for her? A motorcycle specific helmet or just a bicyclists helmet?

Sorry if this is hijacking....!

[rustyrobot]

http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/motorcycle-road-code/about-your-responsibilities/responsible-riding.html#carrying-passengers

There is no age limit. Both feet on the pillion pegs while seated IS the law.

[rustyrobot]

What type of helmut would be required for her? A motorcycle specific helmet or just a bicyclists helmet?


Helmet safety standards

An approved motorcycle helmet is one that complies with one or more of the approved international standards:


UN/ECE Regulation No. 22: Protective helmets and their visors for drivers and passengers of motorcycles and mopeds (Europe)
Australian Standard AS 1698: Protective helmets for vehicle users
New Zealand Standard NZS 5430: Protective helmets for vehicle users
Snell Memorial Foundation: Helmet Standard for use in motorcycling
Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard No. 218: Motorcycle helmets
British Standard BS 6658: Specification for protective helmets for vehicle users (for type A helmets only)
Japan Industrial Standard T8133.


http://www.nzta.govt.nz/resources/roadcode/motorcycle-road-code/you-and-your-motorcycle/wearing-the-right-gear.html

[tigertim20]

really, once youre on the bike and riding, who the fuck's going to know how old the kid is anyway?

unless you've bet someone as to what the answer is?

[mhm]

ive been picking my boy up from the age of 4 and riding 1km home from daycare,been seen by cops and never pulled over and he was wearing a motorcross helmet as i couldn't find a road bike helmet small enough

[Erelyes]

Interesting question. My daughter's 6 and I pick her up from school. She usually sits on the front and we ride home at walking speed on the pavement. She LOVES it. Would be easier/faster as a pillion.

What type of helmut would be required for her? A motorcycle specific helmet or just a bicyclists helmet?

Sorry if this is hijacking....!

If she isn't wearing a helmet you could be done for it... and you could be done since she isn't pillion!

[nzspokes]

I saw a guy the other day in Titirangi taking his kid home on the back of his bike, he was AGAT. His boy had a helmet and shorts. :facepalm:

[Floppy disk]

If she isn't wearing a helmet you could be done for it... and you could be done since she isn't pillion!

I think he is just taking the piss.

[TimeOut]

I think he is just taking the piss.

No it doesn't have to be a road, road rules still apply in a public place i.e. beach, carpark, pavement.

[Geeen]

Interesting question. My daughter's 6 and I pick her up from school. She usually sits on the front and we ride home at walking speed on the pavement. She LOVES it. Would be easier/faster as a pillion.

What type of helmut would be required for her? A motorcycle specific helmet or just a bicyclists helmet?

Sorry if this is hijacking....!

Have a look at these, most dealers in NZ can get them and they are $150ish, Got one for my spawn......


No it doesn't have to be a road, road rules still apply in a public place i.e. beach, carpark, pavement.

True, any place that is accessable to the public is classed as public road including carparks riverbed etc

[Grumpy]

I raised the same question with the local police and was told the only issue is whether the kid can comfortably touch the pegs. My daughter has been riding since she was. I did however take some steps to improve her safety on the back. I wear a belt with some grips for her to hang onto. That was easier than me trying to lose my belly. I also found online a harness for her to wear. It attaches to a pad that I sit on so that she is secure as we ride. If the worst happens and we hit the road then she's not attached to me or the bike. Good piece of mind, especially for Mum.

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[rustyrobot]

I also found online a harness for her to wear. It attaches to a pad that I sit on so that she is secure as we ride.

Hey that's a great idea - do you know the name so I can look it up?

[Erelyes]

Hey that's a great idea - do you know the name so I can look it up?

http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/595-pillion_accessories/5191-veector_pan_belt_for_pillions_.aspx

[Grumpy]

http://www.cycletreads.co.nz/products/595-pillion_accessories/5191-veector_pan_belt_for_pillions_.aspx

Very similar. Works great.

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[Road kill]

I used to ride on the back of my old mans Goldflash when I was about 10 years old and it was one of the few things in life that actually seemed good at the time.

On the other hand I've never taken my own kids on my bikes because I didn't want to lose them due to my own or some other persons stupidity.

I read a lot into how people want their kids to ride on the back for "their" reasons,,,,but their reasons never have anything to do with the kids welfare in mind.

If somebody wants their kids to get into bikes there's a lot of ways to go about it without placing their lives at risk in road traffic.

Mind you,I don't actually see many people that are stupid enough to do that to their own off spring apart from a few KB fools that are mostly talk anyway,,,,and my old man.<_<

[haydes55]

Coolest kid in school riding a motorbike home from school prize giving.

She was 8.

[Floppy disk]

Coolest kid in school riding a motorbike home from school prize giving.

She was 8.

Thumbs up! :2thumbsup :rockon::drinkup::niceone:

[superjackal]

Coolest kid in school riding a motorbike home from school prize giving.

She was 8.

Ha ha, yeah, my daughter runs around telling everyone "My dad rides a motorbike, my dad rides a motorbike!". Amazing it's not more popular, I'm the only parent picking up kid with a bike at ther school.

In my case I'm breaking several laws. Restricted licence (no pillion), she's not wearing a helmet, riding on the pavement. But if I can't idle home at 2mph like that making my kid happy, well, I'm just a radical, free-thinking, stick-it-to-the-man, bad boy, irresponsible biker then. My neighbour's a cop with a kid at the same school and he couldn't care less.

At some stage common sense has to prevail. I'd never do anything to endanger my kids.

[russd7]

On the other hand I've never taken my own kids on my bikes because I didn't want to lose them due to my own or some other persons stupidity.

I read a lot into how people want their kids to ride on the back for "their" reasons,,,,but their reasons never have anything to do with the kids welfare in mind.

Mind you,I don't actually see many people that are stupid enough to do that to their own off spring apart from a few KB fools that are mostly talk anyway,,,,and my old man.<_<

so im guessing you buy bubble wrap by the roll and keep your kids inside and not let them go in a car or near any public.
but you are obviously very irresponsible indeed, you ride one of those dangerous things that will kill you and leave your poor children without a father.
:brick:

[Theantidote]

so im guessing you buy bubble wrap by the roll and keep your kids inside and not let them go in a car or near any public.
but you are obviously very irresponsible indeed, you ride one of those dangerous things that will kill you and leave your poor children without a father.
:brick:

now you just ruined it for the rest of us dude...reminding me that i'm a dick with a death wish plus wanting to spend a bit of time with my boy at the same time....fuck now i have to find a new hobby...thanks man

[Floppy disk]

now you just ruined it for the rest of us dude...reminding me that i'm a dick with a death wish plus wanting to spend a bit of time with my boy at the same time....fuck now i have to find a new hobby...thanks man

Me too :facepalm:.. I got a bike for sale folks!

[nerrrd]

Saw this on my commute today: well-dressed gentleman on his scooter with what looked (to me, but I ain't no expert) like a 3 or 4 year old kid on the back. Kid was squirming around, but that didn't matter too much 'cos the rider had strapped him on by means of a belt conveniently running around both waists. Kid didn't look to have anywhere to put his feet, rider was squishing the one on my side in under his leg. Kid had a helmet on.

Wouldn't want to stereotype BUT probably the sort of thing you see every day in most Asian cities. Didn't sit comfortably with me though, not that I cared enough to do anything about it then and there.

Since thinking is so important, however, I though I'd see what other people thought about this, with a view to maybe doing something about it if I see him again (i.e. reporting it to the Po-liss.) Hate to think what would happen to the kid in an off.

[AllanB]

Took my almost 12 year old son out for a hoon a couple weeks back.......converted him!

[Berries]

Probably a dwarf. I'd mind my own business.

[tigertim20]

this thread has already been done once or twice before.
general consensus IIRC was as long as pillions feet touch the pegs, then its all good.

[nerrrd]

this thread has already been done once or twice before.
general consensus IIRC was as long as pillions feet touch the pegs, then its all good.

Yeah I think I knew that was the legal requirement, wondering more about the moral (?) side of things - If there were any pegs (it was a scooter) the kid's feet were nowhere near them.

[nerrrd]

Never mind then. All good info I'm sure.

[bikerannie]

I want to take my son as pillion eventually when he's big enough. But what's the legal age/size you can take as pillion??

[unstuck]

I want to take my son as pillion eventually when he's big enough. But what's the legal age/size you can take as pillion??

Interesting question.:2thumbsup My kids have always been taken for short rides with me, never considered the legality of it before. :pinch:

[FJRider]

As I understand ... there is no set legal age.

But ...

They must have a correctly fitting helmet ... and (I think) their feet must reach the foot pegs.

At the end of the day ... it boils down to parental responsibility.

[pritch]

. and (I think) their feet must reach the foot pegs.



Yeah that was what came to mind. Not quite sure about the word "reach" though, they should be able to keep their feet on the pegs.

I sometimes see a couple of guys who take their daughters on rides, the girls would be aged ten or thereabout and that seems about right.

[rastuscat]

Law says nil about age. Law says it's against the rules to ride in a dangerous position.

I reckon it'd be fairly easy to convince a judge that it's not safe to ride pillion on a bike where you can't control your own weight via contact with the foot pegs.

I don't see this very often. Possibly common sense is still holding the fort. Surely we shouldn't just do domething because there's no law against it. Sometimes we don't to things because it's a good idea not to.