Is this the sort of thing that's going to lead to vigilante groups?

[Edbear]

http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10687296

Thugs are becoming a real issue. Can you see a time when there's a backlash?

[tigertim20]

http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10687296

Thugs are becoming a real issue. Can you see a time when there's a backlash?

is this going to lead to vigilante groups?
I fucking hope so, because 100 hours community work for some fuckwit who gutlessly attacks an innocent person for no reason is just not sending the message clearly enough.
speak to them in their language, a fuckin good bashing.

[Dave Lobster]

The offender was a Maori or Pacific Island male wearing a blue and white striped T-shirt and sunglasses.


He was last seen running towards St Lukes down a cycleway beside the Northwestern Motorway.

Running? I don't fucking think so.

[Smifffy]

This is the national government getting tough on crime.

In other news revnues from the 4km/h speeding tolerance are up, and more educational posters have been handed out at checkpoints.

Great job!


http://msn.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10687296

Thugs are becoming a real issue. Can you see a time when there's a backlash?

[neels]

Kinda goes along with this too

http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/christchurch/4339550/Mob-attack-ends-in-abduction

Way to get tourists to your town.

What the fuck is wrong with people.

[maggot]

I can't help but wonder just how much this kinda shit will escalate next year with the RWC too.

[firefighter]

Nothing will happen.

The only solution as i've said time and time again is the pit of death. It's the final solution to the 'criminal' question. Ha.

N.Z is so full of left wing sympathisers that nothing will ever be done.

[avgas]

First offense a toe.
Second offense a finger.
Third a hand or foot.
Forth an eye.
All done via a programmed machine.

Lets see if violence would survive in that world.

[SMOKEU]

We should send these thugs to South Africa where they can be put in jail there for 5 years in a cell with 20 black people. Their asses will get raped completely raw every day.

[munster]

yes, and why not.

Police were set up to Protect & Serve, they were recruited from your local community and were a fair representation of the populace. They upheld the law and the judiciary did their part.

The cynical side of me can't see one part in that last paragraph that's true of today. Essentially, the police are the ambulance at the bottom of the cliff, the react to crime, you the victim are there on the spot when it happens. When we continually fail to see Police & / or the Judiciary take reasonable & appropriate steps to protect us, why shouldn't we be allowed to take control?

Just a thought.

[98tls]

We should send these thugs to South Africa where they can be put in jail there for 5 years in a cell with 20 black people. Their asses will get raped completely raw every day.

Why not save a $ and simply fly them up/down to Porirua.

[ellipsis]

.....no.....

[Corse1]

the program on TV a coule of weeks back where they had about 40 kids in a class. 50% watching and playing educational games on a PC and 50% playing the violent games that a loto of kids spen all day playing nowadays?

After a period of time they were all interviewed. During the interview the interviewer accidently dropped a cup of pencils off the side of the desk. most of the educatiponal game players stopped to help pick up the pencils as a normal reaction. Most of the other group hardly glanced at it.

Upshot is that it proved the violent games made the playes unsensitised to violence.

One of the reasons why we have so many useless f*ucks in the young generation today. Violence appears normal to them and theres a lot of them ouy there.

Do you let your kids play these games for hours on end??:blink::blink:

[SMOKEU]

the program on TV a coule of weeks back where they had about 40 kids in a class. 50% watching and playing educational games on a PC and 50% playing the violent games that a loto of kids spen all day playing nowadays?

After a period of time they were all interviewed. During the interview the interviewer accidently dropped a cup of pencils off the side of the desk. most of the educatiponal game players stopped to help pick up the pencils as a normal reaction. Most of the other group hardly glanced at it.

Upshot is that it proved the violent games made the playes unsensitised to violence.

One of the reasons why we have so many useless f*ucks in the young generation today. Violence appears normal to them and theres a lot of them ouy there.

Do you let your kids play these games for hours on end??:blink::blink:

That's bullshit. I've been playing violent PC games since I was 4 years old and the only time I've ever assaulted anyone is self defence when they hit me first. How's that for violence?

[maggot]

the program on TV a coule of weeks back where they had about 40 kids in a class. 50% watching and playing educational games on a PC and 50% playing the violent games that a loto of kids spen all day playing nowadays?

After a period of time they were all interviewed. During the interview the interviewer accidently dropped a cup of pencils off the side of the desk. most of the educatiponal game players stopped to help pick up the pencils as a normal reaction. Most of the other group hardly glanced at it.

Upshot is that it proved the violent games made the playes unsensitised to violence.

One of the reasons why we have so many useless f*ucks in the young generation today. Violence appears normal to them and theres a lot of them ouy there.

Do you let your kids play these games for hours on end??:blink::blink:

Yeah that line is getting a little old. Nine times out of ten, the kids that nut off after playing violent video games are the ones that're fucked in the head to start off with, or with other factors playing part.

I will agree with desensitization to violence, but, that doesn't make kids more likely to commit violent acts, just less likely to cringe when it does come up.

[SMOKEU]

Yeah that line is getting a little old. Nine times out of ten, the kids that nut off after playing violent video games are the ones that're fucked in the head to start off with, or with other factors playing part.

I will agree with desensitization to violence, but, that doesn't make kids more likely to commit violent acts, just less likely to cringe when it does come up.

It's just the PC governments excuse to remove personal liability from an individual for criminal offences. Instead of saying "you're a useless cent that should be hanged, drawn and quartered" the government is trying to say "we are so sorry that the system has failed you, please forgive us for our negligence. It's not really your fault".

[onearmedbandit]

Yeah lets blame computer games. No no no, lets blame TV. Or how about we blame, um, comic books. Yeah that will do. But no matter what, lets not blame the parents. Fuuuuuck no, couldn't do that.

Utter bullshit. I was brought up properly, I played violent video games (and still do), we played war games as children, and I ain't ever hurt anyone physically who didn't need it.

Fucking weak arse piss ant bullshit excuse blaming games etc.

[maggot]

Yeah lets blame computer games. No no no, lets blame TV. Or how about we blame, um, comic books. Yeah that will do. But no matter what, lets not blame the parents. Fuuuuuck no, couldn't do that.

Utter bullshit. I was brought up properly, I played violent video games (and still do), we played war games as children, and I ain't ever hurt anyone physically who didn't need it.

Fucking weak arse piss ant bullshit excuse blaming games etc.

BUT WHATEVER YOU DO!
Never, ever hit your kids, cos that'll just do SO much more damage than letting your kid get away with every fucking thing that they do forever and ever amen.

:blink:
...does anyone else smell bullshit?

[onearmedbandit]

BUT WHATEVER YOU DO!
Never, ever hit your kids, cos that'll just do SO much more damage than letting your kid get away with every fucking thing that they do forever and ever amen.

:blink:
...does anyone else smell bullshit?

Yep. I got into some shit when I was younger, like most kids did, had the police involved a few times. Never anything nasty, just typical youth rebellion. And I knew I was in for it if my old man caught wind of it, which he did on numerous occasions. And yeah he hit us kids, and sometimes we hit back too. Gone toe to toe with the old man a few times. And I hated him for it. But it kept me out of serious trouble, kept me away from getting myself into serious trouble. So to dad, I say thanks for knocking me around a bit. Didn't do any long term harm, but long term it turned me into someone who understood consequences.

[onearmedbandit]

If I may quote one of my peers, Marshall Mathers:

When a dude's gettin bullied and shoots up his school
And they blame it on Marilyn (on Marilyn).. and the heroin
Where were the parents at? And look where it's at
Middle America, now it's a tragedy
Now it's so sad to see, an upper class ci-ty
Havin this happenin (this happenin)..

[Edbear]

Yeah that line is getting a little old. Nine times out of ten, the kids that nut off after playing violent video games are the ones that're fucked in the head to start off with, or with other factors playing part.

I will agree with desensitization to violence, but, that doesn't make kids more likely to commit violent acts, just less likely to cringe when it does come up.

What would you attribute the radical increase in mindless, random and vicious violence too? When 6 year-old's are carrying knives and threatening adults with them, etc.

[Edbear]

Certainlly the lack of parental guidance is the main factor and that is due to a number of things. Starting in the 60's with the idea that disciplining your children stunted their growth to today when many, (it seems like most!), parents simply don't have clue, (my wife is an Early Childhood teacher and we see first hand the horrifying ineptness and stupidity of parents!), children are left pretty much alone to bring themselves up!

However, it is undeniable and so well attested to, that the diet of violence that these same children grow up with, not only physically within their families but on TV Movies, games and magazines has a major influence. Time and again, when youngsters are asked why they were violent, they respond they "saw it on TV." The cops now expect to hear that reply every time.

Kids are so desensitised that they have absolutely no fellow-feeling whatsoever, to the point they enjoy inflicting pain and suffering on both people and animals. It is truly "mindless" violence and we are seeing it pervade all levels of society.

[Edbear]

It's just the PC governments excuse to remove personal liability from an individual for criminal offences. Instead of saying "you're a useless cent that should be hanged, drawn and quartered" the government is trying to say "we are so sorry that the system has failed you, please forgive us for our negligence. It's not really your fault".

It's a bigger issue than just the government. Parents simply haven't got a clue how to bring up children. They are actually scared of them! The courts have a role to play too in the years of "wet bus ticket" punishments handed down.

[maggot]

However, it is undeniable and so well attested to, that the diet of violence that these same children grow up with, not only physically within their families but on TV Movies, games and magazines has a major influence. Time and again, when youngsters are asked why they were violent, they respond they "saw it on TV." The cops now expect to hear that reply every time.

Kids are so desensitised that they have absolutely no fellow-feeling whatsoever, to the point they enjoy inflicting pain and suffering on both people and animals. It is truly "mindless" violence and we are seeing it pervade all levels of society.

I don't see much of a difference to what was reality 'back in the day'. Just a different way to receive the violence. I mean, look at the wars, the gang violence, all the other bullshit that is around, has always been around, and will always be around.
I'm pretty sure real life images of kids burnt to crisps by napalm in 'Nam would be just as damaging as much of the pixelated violence in the media today.
Don't delude yourself and assume the 'youth-are-so-much-worse-today' attitude, because when you were a wee'un the same bullshit permeated society with the same results. Guarantee it.

[FJRider]

However, it is undeniable and so well attested to, that the diet of violence that these same children grow up with, not only physically within their families but on TV Movies, games and magazines has a major influence. Time and again, when youngsters are asked why they were violent, they respond they "saw it on TV." The cops now expect to hear that reply every time.



I recall ... as a child ... watching the TV westerns, Bonnanza-Rawhide etc: the bad guys (and a few good guys too) ... and the next week ... in a different program, the same guy (actor) is large as life again. As adults its easy to figure out the truth ... but unless REALITY is pointed out to these kids ...

[Edbear]

I don't see much of a difference to what was reality 'back in the day'. Just a different way to receive the violence. I mean, look at the wars, the gang violence, all the other bullshit that is around, has always been around, and will always be around.
I'm pretty sure real life images of kids burnt to crisps by napalm in 'Nam would be just as damaging as much of the pixelated violence in the media today.
Don't delude yourself and assume the 'youth-are-so-much-worse-today' attitude, because when you were a wee'un the same bullshit permeated society with the same results. Guarantee it.

As one who was there at the time and watched society "develop" over the last 40-50 - years, it is much different today. Yes, there has been violence throughout Man's history and atrocities committed that shock you, but the point is that senseless and vicious violence has been steadily rising in society and gradually permeating throughout all levels.

"Back when I was a lad...:innocent:" there was a general respect for law and life in the main and there was almost always a "reason" for the violence plus it was on a far smaller scale. Nowadays it is obvious that there is little or no "general respect" for life and the law and violence is a way of life for more and more young ones who have no concept of humanity.


I recall ... as a child ... watching the TV westerns, Bonnanza-Rawhide etc: the bad guys (and a few good guys too) ... and the next week ... in a different program, the same guy (actor) is large as life again. As adults its easy to figure out the truth ... but unless REALITY is pointed out to these kids ...

Perzackery! Parents seem to be actually afraid of upsetting their kids and giving them boundaries to live by. There is no "right or wrong" anymore and kids,as I said in my previous post, are left to bring themselves up any way they please. We see first hand in Early Childhood, the effects of bad parenting on toddlers. It was a real eye-opener!

The Government is trying to target parenting skills, to their credit, but these parents simply aren't interested in being told by anyone, no matter how diplomatic you try to be, that there is anything wrong with what they are doing. They are defensive and angry if anyone, including the Govt. tries to point out that "little Johnny" is heading for trouble.

[FJRider]

They are defensive and angry if anyone, including the Govt. tries to point out that "little Johnny" is heading for trouble.

And ... who do "they" blame ... when "they" visit that same "little johnny" in jail ... for him being in jail .... ???

[Edbear]

And ... who do "they" blame ... when "they" visit that same "little johnny" in jail ... for him being in jail .... ???

Usually everybody but themselves. "The 'System' has let my kid(s) down!" The "Do-Gooders" say they've "fallen through the cracks" and "should have been picked up" by "The System"! This "System" is just so convenient, isn't it? A faceless, nameless entity that is "failing our youth today". :yes:

It's got nothing to do with the fact that the parents have let little Johnny do whatever he liked from birth... No, they are "good parents who have done their best but somehow, something has gone wrong with 'The System.'" :bye:

[maggot]

As one who was there at the time and watched society "develop" over the last 40-50 - years, it is much different today. Yes, there has been violence throughout Man's history and atrocities committed that shock you, but the point is that senseless and vicious violence has been steadily rising in society and gradually permeating throughout all levels.

"Back when I was a lad...:innocent:" there was a general respect for law and life in the main and there was almost always a "reason" for the violence plus it was on a far smaller scale. Nowadays it is obvious that there is little or no "general respect" for life and the law and violence is a way of life for more and more young ones who have no concept of humanity.

I'd probably agree with you that young'uns these days have alot more attitude and more balls and less respect, but I do maintain the reasons aren't so much different to what they've always been.

[maggot]

Usually everybody but themselves. "The 'System' has let my kid(s) down!" The "Do-Gooders" say they've "fallen through the cracks" and "should have been picked up" by "The System"! This "System" is just so convenient, isn't it? A faceless, nameless entity that is "failing our youth today". :yes:

It's got nothing to do with the fact that the parents have let little Johnny do whatever he liked from birth... No, they are "good parents who have done their best but somehow, something has gone wrong with 'The System.'" :bye:

The effing system sure has alot to answer for if they ever find that sneaky, convenient bastard :yes:

[Edbear]

I'd probably agree with you that young'uns these days have alot more attitude and more balls and less respect, but I do maintain the reasons aren't so much different to what they've always been.

No, even gang violence used to have a "reason" or rationale behind it. Nowadays it's often purely for pleasure and becoming much more sadistic. By this I mean on a wider, more general scale. There have always been sadists, but it's as I said, permeating the greater society on a scale never seen before.


The effing system sure has alot to answer for if they ever find that sneaky, convenient bastard :yes:

He's just so convenient that no-one on any level needs to accept blame or responsibility. At most we can blame the Government as that's a visible target that "everyone blames for everything."

[Corse1]

That's bullshit. I've been playing violent PC games since I was 4 years old and the only time I've ever assaulted anyone is self defence when they hit me first. How's that for violence?

You must have missed the "most" part of the post in your eagerness to respond. Certainly triggered a response though......how young were you again............

[avgas]

the program on TV a coule of weeks back where they had about 40 kids in a class. 50% watching and playing educational games on a PC and 50% playing the violent games that a loto of kids spen all day playing nowadays?

After a period of time they were all interviewed. During the interview the interviewer accidently dropped a cup of pencils off the side of the desk. most of the educatiponal game players stopped to help pick up the pencils as a normal reaction. Most of the other group hardly glanced at it.

Upshot is that it proved the violent games made the playes unsensitised to violence.

One of the reasons why we have so many useless f*ucks in the young generation today. Violence appears normal to them and theres a lot of them ouy there.

Do you let your kids play these games for hours on end??:blink::blink:
Actually studies have found that most psychopaths / serial killers are in fact avid readers. And prefer a good novel over a game.

Desensitization is not cause not effect of violence. Would you like a venn diagram?
Violence is actually a chemical imbalance due to lack of serotonin in the brain.
Currently the only studies they have linking to this are based on Toxoplasmosis.
Which means that cats make you crazy violent - not computer games.

So I suggest you update your Encyclopedia Britannica

[Banditbandit]

Nothing will happen.

The only solution as i've said time and time again is the pit of death. It's the final solution to the 'criminal' question. Ha.

N.Z is so full of left wing sympathisers that nothing will ever be done.


First offense a toe.
Second offense a finger.
Third a hand or foot.
Forth an eye.
All done via a programmed machine.

Lets see if violence would survive in that world.


We should send these thugs to South Africa where they can be put in jail there for 5 years in a cell with 20 black people. Their asses will get raped completely raw every day.

And you are the same people who would hate to see the Taliban take over here ?

I see very little difference ...

[Edbear]

Actually studies have found that most psychopaths / serial killers are in fact avid readers. And prefer a good novel over a game.

Desensitization is not cause not effect of violence. Would you like a venn diagram?
Violence is actually a chemical imbalance due to lack of serotonin in the brain. Currently the only studies they have linking to this are based on Toxoplasmosis.
Which means that cats make you crazy violent - not computer games.

So I suggest you update your Encyclopedia Britannica

That's an interesting comment and deserves further investigation. It is certainly a fact that more kids are growing up with violent, and sadistically violent, tendencies and running amok without any regard for humanity or self.

[firefighter]

And you are the same people who would hate to see the Taliban take over here ?

I see very little difference ...

Yeah, because that's the same thing......

Retarded fuckwits like you are the reason I hardly come on here anymore....

[avgas]

And you are the same people who would hate to see the Taliban take over here ?

I see very little difference ...
I didn't say we do it for imaginary friend????

[Spazman727]

BUT WHATEVER YOU DO!
Never, ever hit your kids, cos that'll just do SO much more damage than letting your kid get away with every fucking thing that they do forever and ever amen.

:blink:
...does anyone else smell bullshit?

If someone is a bad enough parent to need to hit their kids to keep them in line, something needs to be done about their parenting skills. I'm not talking about a little tap on the arse or wrist for something that could've got them killed (i.e. running away onto the road or something). But how can you justify properly hitting a helpless little person who looks up to you for reassurance and instruction? Of course kids who are beaten are gonna turn out fucked up.

With regard to vigilante groups etc, I have seriously thought about carrying a knife if I'm out at night for self protection (I'm quite a small guy and know i couldn't hold my own against a bunch of big dudes), but there are statistics (somewhere) that prove that the weapon is likely to be turned on me.

As you can probably tell from the first bit, I am left wing, but I do think that we need tougher penalties for people who break the law. Community service is bullshit and does nothing to deter people from crime.

[Edbear]

Big ups to the family man who stepped in to help, but glad the outcome wasn't a bad one...

http://clearnet.co.nz/news-story.html?national~799282

[imdying]

Fuck 'em. Taxi drivers drive like wankers anyway. Piece of shite probably had it coming. Professional drivers my arse. $20 says the wanker deserved it.

[Bald Eagle]

That's bullshit. I've been playing violent PC games since I was 4 years old and the only time I've ever assaulted anyone is self defence when they hit me first. How's that for violence?

but did you pick up their pencils ?

[Pascal]

Upshot is that it proved the violent games made the playes unsensitised to violence.

Have you seen how violent a Road Runner cartoon is? Wiley Coyote gets blown up, smashed, stretched and generally abused. How about Tom and Jerry? Or any cartoon for that matter. Watch Saturday morning kids TV. It's pretty damn violent and cloaked in the cutsey, cartoonsy stuff that they'll just absorb like the greedy little sponges they are.

[Edbear]

Fuck 'em. Taxi drivers drive like wankers anyway. Piece of shite probably had it coming. Professional drivers my arse. $20 says the wanker deserved it.

Are you a professional troll...?

[imdying]

Psssh trolling... If a copper was getting a kicking, I'd help him out as best as I could... If I came across a taxi driver, I'd yell at them to give him one for me.

He drove like a wanker past somebody who wasn't prepared to put up with his substandard shit, got his door booted, and instead of driving on and thinking to himself, "Maybe that will stop happening if I don't carve up pedestrians", he stopped and got out thinking himself a staunch cunt, and then found out he wasn't. Glorious.

[Bounce001]

I got the below email the other day. I think it sums everything up fairly well and show how pathetic(ally PC) we have become.

SCHOOL -- 1957 vs. 2009
Scenario :
Jack goes rabbit shooting before school, pulls into school parking lot with rifle in gun rack.

1957 - Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack's rifle, goes to his car and gets his rifle & chats with Jack about guns.

2009 - School goes into lock down, Tactical Responce called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his ute or gun again..
Counsellors called in for traumatized students and teachers.


Scenario:
Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after school.

1957 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies.

2009 - Police called, arrests Johnny and Mark.
Charge them with assault, both expelled even though Johnny started it.
Both children go to anger management programs for 3 months.
School board hold meeting to impliment bullying prevention programs


Scenario:
Robbie won't be still in class, disrupts other students.

1957 - Robbie sent to office and given 6 of the best by the Principal.
Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.

2009 - Robbie given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie.
Tested for ADD. Robbie's parents get fortnightly disability payments and School
gets extra funding from state because Robbie has a disability.


Scenario :
Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.

1957 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to Uni, and becomes a successful businessman.

2009 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy removed to foster care and joins a gang.
State psychologist tells Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison.


Scenario :
Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school.

1957 - Mark gets glass of water from Principal to take aspirin with.

2009 - Police called, Mark expelled from school for drug violations.
Car searched for drugs and weapons.


Scenario :
Pedro fails high school English.

1957 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English and goes to Uni.

2009 - Pedro's cause is taken up by state.
Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist.
AFRE files class action lawsuit against state school system and Pedro's English teacher.
English banned from core curriculum.
Pedro given diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.


Scenario :
Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from Cracker night, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle, blows up a bullant nest.

1957 - Ants die.

2009- Tactical Responce , Federal Police & Anti-terrorism Squad called.
Johnny charged with domestic terrorism, Federal Police investigate parents, siblings removed from home, computers confiscated.
Johnny's Dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.


Scenario :
Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary.
Mary hugs him to comfort him.

1957 - In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.

2009 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job.
She faces 3 years in Prison.
Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy.

[avgas]

but did you pick up their pencils ?
That's a trick question. Why would there be jar of pencils in a modern classroom.

[Edbear]

Psssh trolling... If a copper was getting a kicking, I'd help him out as best as I could... If I came across a taxi driver, I'd yell at them to give him one for me.

He drove like a wanker past somebody who wasn't prepared to put up with his substandard shit, got his door booted, and instead of driving on and thinking to himself, "Maybe that will stop happening if I don't carve up pedestrians", he stopped and got out thinking himself a staunch cunt, and then found out he wasn't. Glorious.

You saw this...? You know the guy..?

[imdying]

You saw this...? You know the guy..?Were you there to witness otherwise?

[Edbear]

Were you there to witness otherwise?

No, but I prefer not to judge what I don't know. Regardless, I cannot condone such viciousness on the part of the offender. If he caught a guy in bed with his wife or someone attacking his wife or children, one may be able argue for him. This was clearly a vicious and cowardly attack of extreme violence and cannot be condoned.

I have not seen many competent taxi drivers myself, but my criticisms of them are they travel too slowly and can't hold a steady speed. Not exactly the kind of faults that deserve a beating of any kind let alone one as nasty as this.

[imdying]

You are quite right. It was far more vicious than it needed to be. But I don't doubt he deserved a smack upside the head. Collectively, the quality of taxi driving is both abysmal and dangerous.

[Edbear]

That's a trick question. Why would there be jar of pencils in a modern classroom.

They're in the cabinet called "Schooling Through The Ages" in the antique section...

[mashman]

They're in the cabinet called "Schooling Through The Ages" in the antique section...

Where've you been man... the cabinet is now called "Govt cutbacks" and contains 10 pens, 10 pencils, 10 pads, 2 tubes of tacky glue and some Tipex... it also has a large piece of unbreakable glass across the front that says "Break In Case of Emergency) :shifty:

[Bald Eagle]

Where've you been man... the cabinet is now called "Govt cutbacks" and contains 10 pens, 10 pencils, 10 pads, 2 tubes of tacky glue and some Tipex... it also has a large piece of unbreakable glass across the front that says "Break In Case of Emergency) :shifty:

..and some spare "School Certificates" and a staff room full of teachers.

[Edbear]

Where've you been man... the cabinet is now called "Govt cutbacks" and contains 10 pens, 10 pencils, 10 pads, 2 tubes of tacky glue and some Tipex... it also has a large piece of unbreakable glass across the front that says "Break In Case of Emergency) :shifty:


Sorry, I'm a bit out of touch these days, I learned to write with a dip-pen and ink-well... :innocent:

Off topic, I know! :facepalm:

To be on topic, those days vigilante's were on US cowboy movies... :yes:

[avgas]

They're in the cabinet called "Schooling Through The Ages" in the antique section...
Is that were they hide the times tables?

[Edbear]

Is that were they hide the times tables?

LOL! I can remember when pocket claculators came out we weren't allowed them in class, we were expected to use our brains and know our times tables off by heart. I can remember standing and chanting them every morning, 2x through 12x. :yes:

[Spazman727]

LOL! I can remember when pocket claculators came out we weren't allowed them in class, we were expected to use our brains and know our times tables off by heart. I can remember standing and chanting them every morning, 2x through 12x. :yes:

I grew up when calculators were prevalent in schools, now I don't really know my times tables and often have to add by counting on my fingers. My mum has similar maths abilities to me otherwise (can't understand the point of algebra and all that bullshit), but she knows the times tables backwards and upside down. Maybe you were lucky to have been brought up in the dark ages :yes:

[oldrider]

Nothing will happen.

The only solution as i've said time and time again is the pit of death. It's the final solution to the 'criminal' question. Ha.

N.Z is so full of left wing sympathisers that nothing will ever be done.

So true!

That is why NZ governments always hang left of centre because it is what the electorate demands of them! :facepalm:

That's why "nothing ever gets done"! :oi-grr:

Case in point, watch the "Auckland Super City" flounder and die a socialist death! :argh:

[Corse1]

Actually studies have found that most psychopaths / serial killers are in fact avid readers. And prefer a good novel over a game.

Desensitization is not cause not effect of violence. Would you like a venn diagram?
Violence is actually a chemical imbalance due to lack of serotonin in the brain.
Currently the only studies they have linking to this are based on Toxoplasmosis.
Which means that cats make you crazy violent - not computer games.

So I suggest you update your Encyclopedia Britannica

Sounds like you have just read a book. At least it wasn't a novel:blink:

[Edbear]

I grew up when calculators were prevalent in schools, now I don't really know my times tables and often have to add by counting on my fingers. My mum has similar maths abilities to me otherwise (can't understand the point of algebra and all that bullshit), but she knows the times tables backwards and upside down. Maybe you were lucky to have been brought up in the dark ages :yes:

I aqree, learning by chanting is very effective as you get into a rythm. I don't know why some of the old ways were discarded. Gobsmacked that teachers are so afraid of upsetting kids that they don't correct spelling and grammer in case it makes the child feel inadequate! :gob:

Nowadays you have grown ups in positions of responsibility, (including teachers), who can't spell and have atrocious grammar! The English language is in a mess! :bye:

There should be vigilante groups going around and correcting spelling and grammar! :angry:

[avgas]

Sounds like you have just read a book. At least it wasn't a novel:blink:
Thankfully I don't have the attention span for novels anymore.

Games are just stress relieve for me. Like a movie I can control.
But still makes you wonder about all the librarians out there.

[avgas]

LOL! I can remember when pocket claculators came out we weren't allowed them in class, we were expected to use our brains and know our times tables off by heart. I can remember standing and chanting them every morning, 2x through 12x. :yes:
Sadly I had to do this also - as my father was adamant that I was to be good a math. Have to admit that it was useless until I understood what the numbers meant.

I am going to teach my kids maths with food. Everyone can learn maths off by heart with food.