BEARS? What's the point?

[slowpoke]

OK, so my thinking is/was that they ran a BEARS class so that the largely uncompetitive BEARS bikes could go and race without getting stomped by all those durty Jappa's. Y'know, they got to highlight themselves, their skills and their sponsors in an environment that was not clouded (polluted?) by faster machinery. Cool.

So what's the point of it these days? Why have separate BEARS races when they are now the bee's frikkin' knees, the ducks guts, the high priests of horsepower and handling?

The Masterbike test had the BMW S1000R, Aprilia RSV4 and MV Agusta F4 as the top 3 bikes. Throw the Ducati 1198(insert spec here) and KTM RC8 etc into the mix and I'm thinkin' "WTF?!".

The Triumph 675 is more than competitive against the Jappa's and with the MV 675 on the way the same applies in the middleweight class.

So in 2010 why are BEARS bikes given the extra playtime at various race meetings?

[wayne]

because they special

[Grumph]

You're right of course as far as the top of the line machinery goes. A large part of the rationale for starting the class has gone - but starting it was as much political as practical.

from an observers point of view there's still a lot of interest and participation in the SI in the lower classes - superstock etc. It's still a good and relatively cheap way to go racing with a strong club and plenty of support for the novice.
Resale values for suitable machinery are probably holding up better than Japanese machinery of a similar age too.

Down here anyway it's still strong and well supported so will continue.

[Cloggy]

Because people love to see and hear them perhaps?
Can't beat the sound of a Triumph Triple on full song.

[SS90]

It's a fair question.

I think the answer would be the fact that not everyone can afford one of the bikes you listed, and, as such, the old bikes that have done season after season since it's inception still need someone to race.

IF (I say IF), none of the old bikes where still out there and BEARS meetings where simply full of the models you listed, and expecting to not only have their own class, but also run with the moderns as well, then it would be a valid point, given that they are reducing track time for others.... but that's not the case..... I think BEARS is a very important part of NZ motorsport.

[sinfull]

Cause they hibernate in the winter and post at 2 am during the summer, oh and draw a different class of spectator to the other animals as well perhaps !

[koba]

I believe/have heard a lot of the early momentum for the movement came from people not being happy with MNZ/NZACU at the time.

[CHOPPA]

Oh yeah! Cross entry!

[koba]

Oh yeah! Cross entry!

Shhh, you will make him cry!

[slowpoke]

Oh yeah! Cross entry!

Haha, slow down ya fast bastard, then I wouldn't have anything to winge about!

[codgyoleracer]

Oh yeah! Cross entry!

Cross entry , Cross dressing - its all the same to you aye Choppa ? :sick:

[Kickaha]

So in 2010 why are BEARS bikes given the extra playtime at various race meetings?


You're only thinking of the NI scene because that's where you compete , down here BEARs run there own meetings and that's normally 5-6 a year and don't really participate with the "mainstream clubs" except at street races, but BEARs racing is a lot stronger down here

BEARs bikes that compete at other club meetings generally don't get a separate class they run in whatever class they're eligible for

[slowpoke]

It's a fair question.

I think the answer would be the fact that not everyone can afford one of the bikes you listed, and, as such, the old bikes that have done season after season since it's inception still need someone to race.



Hmmm, there will probably be 3 x S1000R's, 2 x 1198's, a 1098, an RSV4, and an MV Agusta racing in the Tri-Series so they aren't uncommon. Your statement about the old bikes could equally be applied to the old Jappa's too, so what's the difference?

I'm not pissy about it, I'm just a bit confused.....but that's nothin' unusual for me.

[slowpoke]

You're only thinking of the NI scene because that's where you compete , down here BEARs run there own meetings and that's normally 5-6 a year and don't really participate with the "mainstream clubs" except at street races, but BEARs racing is a lot stronger down here

BEARs bikes that compete at other club meetings generally don't get a separate class they run in whatever class they're eligible for

I haven't competed for farkin' ages, come to think of it I don't think I've ever actually competed.........but that's a side issue.

Thanks Kick, kinda makes sense now.

[codgyoleracer]

[QUOTE=slowpoke; BEARS WHATS THE POINT ?"

Cos youd have no shit in the woods if you didnt have em Spud, & the trees wouldnt grow.......

[Dreama]

The BMW, RC8, Aprilla V4 are all pretty knew to the race scene and hardly anyone is racing 1098/1198's here but it's true, they are competitive superbikes now and not the underdogs they used to be.

But to ditch BEARs because suddenly they have become competitive with the jappas is a bit lame since the entire concept of BEARs remains exactly the same .... and I don't need to spell that out although I am aware it creates controversy from the Jap bike riders.

But the simple truth is if you haven't been a dyed in the wool BEARs rider/racer then it's hard to grasp the distinctive and unique passion that BEARs creates.

Anyone that's been to the the annual February SOT at Ruapuna will know exactly what I mean.

[slowpoke]

The BMW, RC8, Aprilla V4 are all pretty knew to the race scene and hardly anyone is racing 1098/1198's here but it's true, they are competitive superbikes now and not the underdogs they used to be.

But to ditch BEARs because suddenly they have become competitive with the jappas is a bit lame since the entire concept of BEARs remains exactly the same .... and I don't need to spell that out although I am aware it creates controversy from the Jap bike riders.

But the simple truth is if you haven't been a dyed in the wool BEARs rider/racer then it's hard to grasp the distinctive and unique passion that BEARs creates.

Anyone that's been to the the annual February SOT at Ruapuna will know exactly what I mean.

Fair comments mate, there is definitely more of a community scene around BEARS racing rather than the collection of individuals that race everything else.

SOT is on my bucket list, don't s'pose a fella can borrow your 996 corse? I promise to go really REALLY slow (like I've got a choice).

[CHOPPA]

The only solution is this spud.....

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=330538404

[avgas]

slowpoke its quite simple.

Ego's have to race time too.

Most ride in Bears so they get their much need stroke time.

All the ones whom race in the other classes - bears is like training laps for them.

But the ones whom only race BEARS! Its pretty obvious guys.....

[Dreama]

SOT is on my bucket list, don't s'pose a fella can borrow your 996 corse? I promise to go really REALLY slow (like I've got a choice).[/QUOTE]

Sorry brutha ... the corse is gone, courtesy of the recession :(
Kevin Grant is the new owner and I think Dave Cole will race it at the next SOT.

[slowpoke]

The only solution is this spud.....

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=330538404

Not cool mate, I moved out into the boonies to stay away from that sort of temptation.....then you go and find one right under my nose!


SOT is on my bucket list, don't s'pose a fella can borrow your 996 corse? I promise to go really REALLY slow (like I've got a choice).

Sorry brutha ... the corse is gone, courtesy of the recession :(
Kevin Grant is the new owner and I think Dave Cole will race it at the next SOT.[/QUOTE]

I was only pullin' ya leg Ed, but I'm gutted to hear you had to part with it. I couldn't have thrown leg over it anyway, not nursing the mongrel it would have put in my leathers, I would have done myself a mischief.

[johan]

At Pacific Round one the BEARS were mixed with clubmans, there was also that pre war BEARS machinery doing 75 kph down the back straight while modern-ish BEAR biks were flat out past it.

Interesting mix for sure but it the BEARS category can be a bit broad and unspecific.

That said, I enjoy the BEARS meetings tremendously. If not only for looking at all these different machines you don't normally see out there.
I hope there's a future for them.

[codgyoleracer]

The only solution is this spud.....

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=330538404

Yeah just buy that Spud , along with a pair of lederhosen and you can cross enter and cross dress at the same time.....

[woodyracer]

Ive got a revolutionary idea!!! lets inlcude jap bikes in bears!

can be called bjears!.... stil no korean bikes tho they are too fast aaahaahh

[Dreama]

Yeah just buy that Spud , along with a pair of lederhosen and you can cross enter and cross dress at the same time.....

Well, I won't buy a beemer or a jappa out of bloody minded principle ... my dads family were exterminated by the nazis and my mum and her family spent the war in jap pow camps !!

[woodyracer]

Well, I won't buy a beemer or a jappa out of bloody minded principle ... my dads family were exterminated by the nazis and my mum and her family spent the war in jap pow camps !!

that wil rule out italians because mussolini was italian?...
If you go by that sort of attitude the only people who havnt caused anyy troubles are the good 'ol Korens! hyosung it is!

[avgas]

that wil rule out italians because mussolini was italian?...
If you go by that sort of attitude the only people who havnt caused anyy troubles are the good 'ol Korens! hyosung it is!
Yeah my thoughts exactly :yes:
Some people speak.
Others think first.

[avgas]

Well, I won't buy a beemer or a jappa out of bloody minded principle ... my dads family were exterminated by the nazis and my mum and her family spent the war in jap pow camps !!
I don't buy tofu because I don't like the taste.

[White trash]

I don't buy tofu because I don't like the taste.

I don't watch bears racing because it's cruel to make a bear ride a motorcycle......

[Dreama]

Yeah my thoughts exactly :yes:
Some people speak.
Others think first.

Ha, thought that would get a bite.

Nevertheless smartass .... we ( my family) have had a generation or two to "think" about things .... and, oddly enough, we still hurt.
And, btw, the Italians weren't big on the extermination bit.

But of cause it's not the real reason why I don't race beemers or jappas .... I simply don't want to.

[woodyracer]

I don't watch bears racing because it's cruel to make a bear ride a motorcycle......

that would have to be the lamest joke of the day....:facepalm:

[Nonbeliever]

I wonder how the BEARS guys would react if they were not allowed to compete at the "mainstream" events/classes??

I agree with slowpoke, what is the point??

pearl harbour is history fellas

[CHOPPA]

I wonder how the BEARS guys would react if they were not allowed to compete at the "mainstream" events/classes??

I agree with slowpoke, what is the point??

pearl harbour is history fellas

I agree, I think you should only be allowed to race one class per bike

[wayne]

so how many classes did you enter at tri series ?

[wharfy]

Oh yeah! Cross entry!

What he said :)

You doin the Tri-Series Choppa ?

[pritch]

I believe/have heard a lot of the early momentum for the movement came from people not being happy with MNZ/NZACU at the time.

The origins of the class are discussed in the biography of John Britten. As I recall, the classic racing people were not happy with what he and others were running and suggested that they start a new class. So they did.

[avgas]

I don't watch bears racing because it's cruel to make a bear ride a motorcycle......
two words that make this sentence worse.

gay porn

[avgas]

Nevertheless smartass .... we ( my family) have had a generation or two to "think" about things .... and, oddly enough, we still hurt.
And, btw, the Italians weren't big on the extermination bit.
I am fortunate enough to not have my family download their baggage on to me.
Bad for me not knowing the history, but good in the aspect that I am my own person.
I can't thank them enough for that.

[Kickaha]

I wonder how the BEARS guys would react if they were not allowed to compete at the "mainstream" events/classes??

The guys down here wouldn't give a shit because apart from the street races they don't really do "mainstream"events


I agree with slowpoke, what is the point??

It's an alternative just like the classic clubs with their events

The "Sound of Thunder" would be one of the best events this country has, way better than any National round, heaps of racing and a chance to see a lot of bikes out there you normally wouldn't

In the North Island compared to down here the BEARs are pretty much a non event

[Deano]

This debate could be quite similar to Maori Ab's vs the National AB's :shutup:

[Kickaha]

This debate could be quite similar to Maori Ab's vs the National AB's :shutup:

What kind of Motorbikes do they race?

[Deano]

What kind of Motorbikes do they race?

Well Dan rides a mountain bike with no front wheel. I can't recall what they were advertising (obviously works well eh) but it disappointed me that they can't use a top NZ mountainbiker. So over rugby.

[Crasherfromwayback]

slowpoke its quite simple.

Ego's have to race time too.

Most ride in Bears so they get their much need stroke time.

All the ones whom race in the other classes - bears is like training laps for them.

But the ones whom only race BEARS! Its pretty obvious guys.....

Some people maybe. But when I rode a 'BEARS' bike, it was with Bruce Ainstey, Simon Turner, Brett Richmond etc etc. Nothing to do with ego's...just huge (compared to 'mainstream' racing anyway) prize money!

[avgas]

Well Dan rides a mountain bike with no front wheel. I can't recall what they were advertising (obviously works well eh) but it disappointed me that they can't use a top NZ mountainbiker. So over rugby.
That ad so fucks me off.
We have literally 1,000's of skilled competing mountain bikers in NZ - and they stick pretty boy dan's face all over that ad. He can't even play rugby properly.
Would like to know who was his stunt double......and how good he is at rugby.
Mabey he could replace dan.....so dan could go back to his true calling.
Keeping his mouth shut, packing socks into his undies.

[avgas]

Some people maybe. But when I rode a 'BEARS' bike, it was with Bruce Ainstey, Simon Turner, Brett Richmond etc etc. Nothing to do with ego's...just huge (compared to 'mainstream' racing anyway) prize money!
Yeah but those guys didn't just race BEARS...... so if BEARS dissapeared....they would have kept racing in other classes.

I am referring to the HOBKNOBS whom only want get some "guzzi" track time.

I still believe you should swim with the sharks, or stay out of the water. None of this special needs class BS.

[ellipsis]

....BEARS Winter Series down here has a CAMS class, mainly PC jappies...a Bucket Class...Streetstocks, Motards can run at these meetings...we all get to play and its a fantastic way to race all year round ....doesnt matter too much about the politics or their particular club ethos....they get a class of their own at Greymouth , Nelson and maybe Wyndham....we all try to get along well and it all works out even better....and joe public loves their machinery....although it seems to be a Ducati fest these days...roll on SOT....

[Crasherfromwayback]

Yeah but those guys didn't just race BEARS...... so if BEARS dissapeared....they would have kept racing in other classes.

I am referring to the HOBKNOBS whom only want get some "guzzi" track time.

I still believe you should swim with the sharks, or stay out of the water. None of this special needs class BS.

Neither did I. But hey...at least the BEARS crew are out there having fun!

[slowpoke]

Blardy hell, as usual folks find a way of taking it all too seriously. I wasn't having a winge about BEARS, just wasn't sure if the point of the class has kinda of been lost.

I can't help thinkin' I've missed the point instead. Kinda makes me wish the BEARS scene was stronger up here.....nah, phuk that, it's bad enough being beaten by modern Jappa's, let alone some old bugger on a bevel Ducati.

[White trash]

I can't help thinkin' I've missed the point instead. Kinda makes me wish the BEARS scene was stronger up here.....nah, phuk that, it's bad enough being beaten by modern Jappa's, let alone some old bugger on a bevel Ducati.

I've got a 1983 50 dollar GSX550 itching to give ya a spanking Spud. Keen? :Pokey:

[Grumph]

Blardy hell, as usual folks find a way of taking it all too seriously. I wasn't having a winge about BEARS, just wasn't sure if the point of the class has kinda of been lost.

I can't help thinkin' I've missed the point instead. Kinda makes me wish the BEARS scene was stronger up here.....nah, phuk that, it's bad enough being beaten by modern Jappa's, let alone some old bugger on a bevel Ducati.

Quite true - looks like you touched a nerve as far as some of the NI racers are concerned. Down here the serious racers who complained about losing track time to an "irrelevant" class would have the same whinge about 200 plus riders turning up to Canterbury club days. BEARS has a very useful function here in providing extra club days for classes which would have trouble doing stand alone meetings as CAMsec has explained.
You must of course try and do the Sound Of Thunder - if only for the novelty of racing for real prize money.....

[CHOPPA]

so how many classes did you enter at tri series ?

haha yeah BEARS and F1. They wouldnt let me ride the 1000 in F2 as well

[slowpoke]

I've got a 1983 50 dollar GSX550 itching to give ya a spanking Spud. Keen? :Pokey:

Man, woman or wildebeest, if they're in leather and offering a spanking then sign me up baby!

Hang on, you're talkin' about track racing are'ntcha? Bugger.....


I'm actually really lookin' forward to seein' you in action on that thing. Oh, that reminds me, note to self: pack Tena man-pads*



* you'll be quick alright, but there's a high risk of pissing myself laughing as you climb all over it like a chimp directing a hippo.

[wharfy]

The "Sound of Thunder" would be one of the best events this country has, way better than any National round, heaps of racing and a chance to see a lot of bikes out there you normally wouldn't



Fuck Yeah !! Its a great event.
Just wandering around the public bike park - one year I saw a PAIR of pristine Triumph Hurricanes - probably the coolest looking Triumph ever made (and that includes my lovely 675 :) )

Anyway - back to the question - I always thought that the main reason for BEAR's was so that guys who had spent shitloads of time and money getting their old Norton, BSA etc.etc. singles to go and handle didn't have to suffer the indignity of getting their arse kicked by some spotty youth on an H2. ( I missed the Britten connection even though I read the book ?)

I got the 675 specifically so I could enter into F1 F2 and BEARS - I am trying to make up for some of the racing I missed between 1974 and 2008 when I was "taking a break" (as actors like to say) Thats over 30 years so I will probably have to keep going 'till the 675 qualifies as a post classic :)

[Big Dave]

Why did God make Moto Guzzis?
So Sportsters could beat something on a Race Track.

[gixerracer]

....BEARS Winter Series down here has a CAMS class, mainly PC jappies...a Bucket Class...Streetstocks, Motards can run at these meetings...we all get to play and its a fantastic way to race all year round ....doesnt matter too much about the politics or their particular club ethos....they get a class of their own at Greymouth , Nelson and maybe Wyndham....we all try to get along well and it all works out even better....and joe public loves their machinery....although it seems to be a Ducati fest these days...roll on SOT....

And that wright there folks is exactly what club racing should be about. Brilliant

[woodyracer]

Why did God make Moto Guzzis?
So Sportsters could beat something on a Race Track.

id realy like to see a sportster beat anything with more than a lawnmower engine around a track...:innocent:

[Kickaha]

Why did God make Moto Guzzis?
So Sportsters could beat something on a Race Track.

It'd need to be a pretty fucking quick well ridden Sportster to beat the Guzzis I've seen racing

[Crasherfromwayback]

id realy like to see a sportster beat anything with more than a lawnmower engine around a track...:innocent:

Well we were doing 1 min 19 round Manfeild on our 883's. Can you beat that yet?

[White trash]

:corn: <tenchars/>

[Kickaha]

Well we were doing 1 min 19 round Manfeild on our 883's. Can you beat that yet?

Fuck yeah, I could beat that on my Bucket old man

[Crasherfromwayback]

Fuck yeah, I could beat that on my Bucket old man

Bucket of what?

[avgas]

Bucket of what?
bolts.

aka a laverda

[Crasherfromwayback]

bolts.

aka a laverda

Brave even to ride one!

[codgyoleracer]

I don't watch bears racing because it's cruel to make a bear ride a motorcycle......

I thought my bears shit in the woods analogy was a comedic masterpiece, however it appears we are both about as funny as a fart in an elevator.

PS - i hear you were riding with the master the other night....

[White trash]

I thought my bears shit in the woods analogy was a comedic masterpiece, however it appears we are both about as funny as a fart in an elevator.

Well that's good news for me mate, I think farts in elevators are as funny as fuck :D


PS - i hear you were riding with the master the other night....

Fuck news travels fast around here! If by "riding with" you mean chasing on wednesday night, then yeah, I was. Sorted a couple of things out between us too which is not a bad thing.

Actually rode with him again last night too.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Actually rode him again last night too.

Fucken homo.

[White trash]

Fucken homo.

Only gay if your balls touch mate.

[avgas]

Brave even to ride one!
Hey I am sure the Jota is the worlds fastest motorcycle. It probably does 400kph.
Just no one is game to get it past 100 :eek5:

[avgas]

Only gay if your balls touch mate.
What part of him were you riding then?:corn:

[Shaun]

[QUOTE=White trash;

Sorted a couple of things out between us too which is not a bad thing.

Actually rode with him again last night too.[/QUOTE]



Good on ya mate, as far as WANKERS go, he is actually a good one I think

[Crasherfromwayback]

Hey I am sure the Jota is the worlds fastest motorcycle. It probably does 400kph.


Like an 883, if thrown out the back of a Hercules!

[woodyracer]

Well we were doing 1 min 19 round Manfeild on our 883's. Can you beat that yet?

ummm i think you got that mxed up with what an 883 can do around the track in the back of the recovery vehicle after it crashed at turn 1....:innocent:

[Str8 Jacket]

ummm i think you got that mxed up with what an 883 can do around the track in the back of the recovery vehicle after it crashed at turn 1....:innocent:

:facepalm:
<gobacktosleep>

[woodyracer]

:facepalm:
<gobacktosleep>

listen, your not worthy of quoting my sentances.

[RDjase]

Bears ?

Whats elegible ? British, European and American?

Where does a Britten fit in there?

1198's and BSA Bantams all eligable for the same class?

Sounds like clubmans without Jap bikes

Bears turned to shit when Hinkley Tirumphs were relased in the early 90's, before that there was some cool racing with Tridents, Nortons, Bonnies and heaps of Euro bikes as well

Seems a bit irelevent now at a 1 bears class race at a club meeting now, you can't ban older (original bears bikes) because there there slow against a feild of New Dukes, Triumphs and Aprillia's. But if you let them all race together it would be unsafe with the speed difference involved.

[Crasherfromwayback]

ummm i think you got that mxed up with what an 883 can do around the track in the back of the recovery vehicle after it crashed at turn 1....:innocent:

Well...I have certainly crashed at turn one (and every other corner at Manfeild), but never on my 883.

[Kickaha]

1198's and BSA Bantams all eligable for the same class?

Only if you're racing in the NI

BEARs is way different on the Mainland, BEARs is a Club not a class and within that club there are many classes , what you have up North is a pale imitation of the real thing


Bears turned to shit when Hinkley Tirumphs were relased in the early 90's, before that there was some cool racing with Tridents, Nortons, Bonnies and heaps of Euro bikes as well


I would have said the coming of the 851 and later SS Ducati myself, which was why the"Heritage" class was bought in (no belt drive Duclatteries allowed)

[kiwi cowboy]

I agree, I think you should only be allowed to race one class per bike

:gob:Dam there goes my thoughts of supporting pre89 and f3:facepalm:

[kiwi cowboy]

id realy like to see a sportster beat anything with more than a lawnmower engine around a track...:innocent:

Then you shoulda been at the burt munroe 2 years ago.
There was a guy on a harley sporty with apehangers high in the have a go class.
Yes i know it was only the have a go class but some of the guys were out there on big bikes goin pretty hard and this guy was right in the middle of them so ok maybe not a race class but that guy could bloody ride.:yes:

[Kickaha]

:gob:Dam there goes my thoughts of supporting pre89 and f3:facepalm:


In the South you can enter as many classes as your bike is eligible for and it doesn't cost any extra

Just one more reason not to live "up North" :bleh:

[kiwi cowboy]

In the South you can enter as many classes as your bike is eligible for and it doesn't cost any extra

Just one more reason not to live "up North" :bleh:

Are you saying i can enter both classes but only pay for one class so to speak as i thought you had to pay per class.
And are you implying im from up north? if so :moon::finger:

[ellipsis]

In the South you can enter as many classes as your bike is eligible for and it doesn't cost any extra

Just one more reason not to live "up North" :bleh:

:shit:....hate to be the harbinger of bad news but..it will be one bike per class at Methven in April ....can have two bikes there for entry fee ...no crossover....

[Kickaha]

Are you saying i can enter both classes but only pay for one class so to speak as i thought you had to pay per class.

At MCI club days yes

And are you implying im from up north? if so :moon::finger:
No I saw you were from the land of the Banjo

:shit:....hate to be the harbinger of bad news but..it will be one bike per class at Methven in April ....can have two bikes there for entry fee ...no crossover....
I'm talking about normal club days at permanent circuits

Hopefully those filthy dirty Buckets wont hold the event up by dumping oil everywhere again :whistle:

[kiwi cowboy]

At MCI club days yes

No I saw you were from the land of the Banjo

I'm talking about normal club days at permanent circuits

Hopefully those filthy dirty Buckets wont hold the event up by dumping oil everywhere again :whistle:

Ahh i understand now.

[ellipsis]

At MCI club days yes

No I saw you were from the land of the Banjo

I'm talking about normal club days at permanent circuits

Hopefully those filthy dirty Buckets wont hold the event up by dumping oil everywhere again :whistle:



..cured that too...they have to run with no oil....still gotta have their sump bungs wired tho...

[Yow Ling]

so its 2 strokes only for methven, my chances are improving

[ellipsis]

so its 2 strokes only for methven, my chances are improving

...no...im going with the six stroke thing we talked of in the rubberband thread...found a good supply of good old british rubber bands....

[slowpoke]

Well we were doing 1 min 19 round Manfeild on our 883's. Can you beat that yet?

All of a sudden I fuggin' lurve harleys:love::love::love:

....just gotta catch that pesky wee fella on the GSX550 now

[Kickaha]

....just gotta catch that pesky wee fella on the GSX550 now

Shouldn't be hard I hear he's fucking slow

[wharfy]

Well we were doing 1 min 19 round Manfeild on our 883's. Can you beat that yet?

Fuck only on a good day !

[Crasherfromwayback]

Fuck only on a good day !

I fuck on any day!

Mind you...min 19 was far from easy. It's the hardest I've ever had to ride a bike! On the verge of being out of control for the whole lap(s)

[White trash]

I fuck on any day!

Mind you...min 19 was far from easy. It's the hardest I've ever had to ride a bike! On the verge of being out of control for the whole lap(s)

What the fuck you talkin about? I can't remember a whole lap you were in control.....

[Kickaha]

What the fuck you talkin about? I can't remember a whole lap you were in control.....

At least he used to make a whole lap

[Crasherfromwayback]

What the fuck you talkin about? I can't remember a whole lap you were in control.....

Come to think of it...neither can I


At least he used to make a whole lap


Every now and then!

[xr-rider]

Well we were doing 1 min 19 round Manfeild on our 883's. Can you beat that yet?

i dont think hes even gone below a 1.30 yet. im sure he may get there :soon:

[woodyracer]

i dont think hes even gone below a 1.30 yet. im sure he may get there :soon:

oh because your soo fast?........hahahahhaahahahhaahhaahha

http://www.motorcyclesport.co.nz/


ahahhahahahahahha 1;28 on a 400? gosh thats soo fast you'd be tearing up the track batman!!!

how fast did u go on ur 150??
http://www.motorcyclesport.co.nz/ not very fast...1:35...wow


So from this we can see you are in no right able to mock anyone at all.

[roadracingoldfart]

oh because your soo fast?........hahahahhaahahahhaahhaahha

http://www.motorcyclesport.co.nz/


ahahhahahahahahha 1;28 on a 400? gosh thats soo fast you'd be tearing up the track batman!!!

how fast did u go on ur 150??
http://www.motorcyclesport.co.nz/ not very fast...1:35...wow


So from this we can see you are in no right able to mock anyone at all.


What a total :tugger:

[woodyracer]

What a total :tugger:

id agree with you mr.redneck not amazing results at all.

[scracha]

So from this we can see you are in no right able to mock anyone at all.

Pride before a fall brother.

:jerry:




id agree with you mr.redneck not amazing results at all.

I think you've misinterpreted the intended recipient.

[woodyracer]

Pride before a fall brother.

:jerry:



I think you've misinterpreted the intended recipient.

No i just choose to ignore his backward, attention seeking behaviour.
Only a mother could love that poor boy. :facepalm: ahahah

[johan]

Woody, are you still looking for a race bike to hire? Are you after a BEARS bike?

[slowpoke]

Woody, are you still looking for a race bike to hire? Are you after a BEARS bike?

Heehee, things could be about to get a lot more interesting......

[gav]

so its 2 strokes only for methven, my chances are improving
:innocent: Well, considering it was a two stroke bucket that crashed first and caused the carnage ...... :yes:

[gav]

And yeah, I agree with Kick, it was the 851 and the birth of WSBK where a twin cylinder Ducati was winning races against the Japanese stuff that maybe the Bears class suddenly didnt seem to sit quite right. The fastest bikes were no longer the Japanese brands. Wont most of those old original Bears bikes up norf be able to race in Pre 82 / Pre 89 ?

[xr-rider]

oh because your soo fast?........hahahahhaahahahhaahhaahha

http://www.motorcyclesport.co.nz/


ahahhahahahahahha 1;28 on a 400? gosh thats soo fast you'd be tearing up the track batman!!!

how fast did u go on ur 150??
http://www.motorcyclesport.co.nz/ not very fast...1:35...wow


So from this we can see you are in no right able to mock anyone at all.

i was actually constantly running 32s, 33s on the rg. i would of been faster except my size put me at a disadvantage. i was running 25s,26s at the start of the year until a big crash which led to a lack of confidence which is when i was doing 28s

[White trash]

oh because your soo fast?........hahahahhaahahahhaahhaahha

http://www.motorcyclesport.co.nz/


ahahhahahahahahha 1;28 on a 400? gosh thats soo fast you'd be tearing up the track batman!!!

how fast did u go on ur 150??
http://www.motorcyclesport.co.nz/ not very fast...1:35...wow


So from this we can see you are in no right able to mock anyone at all.


i was actually constantly running 32s, 33s on the rg. i would of been faster except my size put me at a disadvantage. i was running 25s,26s at the start of the year until a big crash which led to a lack of confidence which is when i was doing 28s

You two should have a punch up at TRRS or something. That'd be fricken awesome!

[Str8 Jacket]

You two should have a punch up at TRRS or something. That'd be fricken awesome!

My money is on Jeff!! I'll bring the Jelly!!!!

[woodyracer]

Woody, are you still looking for a race bike to hire? Are you after a BEARS bike?

Yea i guess i am looking to rent a racebike still, maybe not a bears bike but ill see, why what are you offering?

[woodyracer]

i was actually constantly running 32s, 33s on the rg. i would of been faster except my size put me at a disadvantage. i was running 25s,26s at the start of the year until a big crash which led to a lack of confidence which is when i was doing 28s

oh so that was on planet earth? in this solar system?

lack confidence......oh right..and and you are calling me slow? :laugh:

Im not tryign to be a jerk here, you started it.... and with my childish games it makes for great spectating for idiots :woohoo:

[avgas]

And yeah, I agree with Kick, it was the 851 and the birth of WSBK where a twin cylinder Ducati was winning races against the Japanese stuff that maybe the Bears class suddenly didnt seem to sit quite right. The fastest bikes were no longer the Japanese brands.
The John Player Norton team would argue with that

[avgas]

Like an 883, if thrown out the back of a Hercules!
Both (883 and Jota) would be beat to ground by the XS1100 and the GS1000. They were like gravity, only heavier.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Both (883 and Jota) would be beat to ground by the XS1100 and the GS1000. They were like gravity, only heavier.

If my memory serves me correctly (it often doesn't), they'd all hit ground zero at the same time!

[Str8 Jacket]

oh so that was on planet earth? in this solar system?

lack confidence......oh right..and and you are calling me slow? :laugh:

Im not tryign to be a jerk here, you started it.... and with my childish games it makes for great spectating for idiots :woohoo:

Soo what colour jelly would you prefer Maxxy Waxxy? Pink to match your man badge?

[avgas]

If my memory serves me correctly (it often doesn't), they'd all hit ground zero at the same time!
Yep that would be the plan.
However some bikes drop faster. This is probably why you can buy an XS now.

[wharfy]

If my memory serves me correctly (it often doesn't), they'd all hit ground zero at the same time!

Only in a vacum :laugh:

[xr-rider]

oh so that was on planet earth? in this solar system?

lack confidence......oh right..and and you are calling me slow? :laugh:

Im not tryign to be a jerk here, you started it.... and with my childish games it makes for great spectating for idiots :woohoo:

it was just a joke. after a big crash like the one i had it really does play on ur mind

[xr-rider]

You two should have a punch up at TRRS or something. That'd be fricken awesome!

i dont resort to violence. i sort it on the track

[Kickaha]

The John Player Norton team would argue with that

I doubt it as they didn't exist in NZ and their glory days were already over (cept for the Rotary) by the time BEARs racing started here

[CHOPPA]

oh so that was on planet earth? in this solar system?

lack confidence......oh right..and and you are calling me slow? :laugh:

Im not tryign to be a jerk here, you started it.... and with my childish games it makes for great spectating for idiots :woohoo:

hahahaha dont hold back mate I love it! I was gonna suggest being careful what you say but its never hurt Shaun or Craig! Mind you they have earned there respect but im sure you will get there

[woodyracer]

hahahaha dont hold back mate I love it! I was gonna suggest being careful what you say but its never hurt Shaun or Craig! Mind you they have earned there respect but im sure you will get there

Yeah gota make a laugh off some of the shit on here.

Hope not be break too many ego's and feelings along the way :violin:

[RDjase]

You two should have a punch up at TRRS or something. That'd be fricken awesome!

I will bring some Joustings sticks and a couple of steel chest plates with target on.

The winner gets the losers bent bike.

Could do it after the GP/250 proddy race and before the Endurance race. Would be heaps of spectators

[woodyracer]

I will bring some Joustings sticks and a couple of steel chest plates with target on.

The winner gets the losers bent bike.

Could do it after the GP/250 proddy race and before the Endurance race. Would be heaps of spectators

i like your thinking, mind if i borrow your bike to do it? hehehhhe

[RDjase]

i like your thinking, mind if i borrow your bike to do it? hehehhhe

I will have 3 bikes there, but they have "No Jousting" stickers on them

[xr-rider]

I will bring some Joustings sticks and a couple of steel chest plates with target on.

The winner gets the losers bent bike.

Could do it after the GP/250 proddy race and before the Endurance race. Would be heaps of spectators

i dont want a hyosung though. bugger the chest plates

[fuknKIWI]

Hmmm I read this post yesterday & found a couple of gems in a sea of shit.
I haven't got time to read up the latest but I'll be watching.
As a foundation member of the BEARS I know a few things about the early days & fuck all about the last 20 years.
As someone said a long time ago we've created a monster it's not ours to control...
(or words to that effect)

[fuknKIWI]

What's the point?
For Dennis & Gaynor's sake if nothing else:shutup:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/131188-Death-sentence-time

[Shaun]

hahahaha dont hold back mate I love it! I was gonna suggest being careful what you say but its never hurt Shaun or Craig! Mind you they have earned there respect but im sure you will get there



Fuk ya all I say, and as for that wanker Shirrifs hahahaha

[scracha]

Yea i guess i am looking to rent a racebike still, maybe not a bears bike but ill see, why what are you offering?

Johan is possibly a little bit reluctant loaning/renting out his bikes these days. :innocent:

[Robert Taylor]

OK, so my thinking is/was that they ran a BEARS class so that the largely uncompetitive BEARS bikes could go and race without getting stomped by all those durty Jappa's. Y'know, they got to highlight themselves, their skills and their sponsors in an environment that was not clouded (polluted?) by faster machinery. Cool.

So what's the point of it these days? Why have separate BEARS races when they are now the bee's frikkin' knees, the ducks guts, the high priests of horsepower and handling?

The Masterbike test had the BMW S1000R, Aprilia RSV4 and MV Agusta F4 as the top 3 bikes. Throw the Ducati 1198(insert spec here) and KTM RC8 etc into the mix and I'm thinkin' "WTF?!".

The Triumph 675 is more than competitive against the Jappa's and with the MV 675 on the way the same applies in the middleweight class.

So in 2010 why are BEARS bikes given the extra playtime at various race meetings?

I havent trolled through the posts that follow yours but Im of exactly the same opinion Bruce. It seems a nonsense to run seperate events ( politics notwithstanding and maybe some prejudice ) when we only have a tiny population. European bikes especially are a lot stronger in the race scene and its great to see them mixing it with Japanese bikes.

[Grumph]

Please do troll through Robert - paying attention to what kickaha & I have said.

The NI scene as it stands is vastly different from the original intent - and how things stand in the SI.

There is wide tolerance in NZ for "alternative" lifestyles, surely we can accomodate BEARS in our programmes - after all it is the only NZ devised class to ever have a World Championship - with an NZ rider on an NZ built bike winning.

[roadracingoldfart]

You two should have a punch up at TRRS or something. That'd be fricken awesome!

Wanna see that Go Jeff


Soo what colour jelly would you prefer Maxxy Waxxy? Pink to match your man badge?

He still needs to qualify for that badge


Yeah gota make a laugh off some of the shit on here.

Hope not be break too many ego's and feelings along the way :violin:

Its clear you want to add most of the shit by yourself on here .

You may not want to break egos but i see you also dont want to make many friends either . No i am not sad i didnt make your list.

[Cleve]

I thought too - BEARS - what's the point? Basically an anti Asian racists bunch of pricks... then I saw the entry form for the Tri Series and I thought - WOW ! What a cool bunch of bikes racing against each other... I wanna watch that!

[popelli]

So what's the point of it these days?

I remember when it first started and there were two schools of thought, those that rode japanese and every body else

Eventually everybody else got fed up with not being catered for at race meetings and wanted to get their bikes back on the tracks

Blame it fairly and squarely on those that did not cater for bears enthusiasts in the first place as they have inadvertantly created this class

Once things get established they tend to stay that way

[fuknKIWI]

I remember when it first started and there were two schools of thought, those that rode japanese and every body else

Eventually everybody else got fed up with not being catered for at race meetings and wanted to get their bikes back on the tracks

Blame it fairly and squarely on those that did not cater for bears enthusiasts in the first place as they have inadvertantly created this class

Once things get established they tend to stay that way
The "everybody else" was the Classic Register on their pre 1963 bikes and a bunch of orphans on non Japanese bikes who were ineligible for the Classic Register & not competitive with the GP series. Couple this with the fact that the "Three Fools" racing team, John Britten & company on their alcohol burning cast iron Triumphs were making the Classic Register guys feel uneasy about things & there was a kind of vacuum which the BEARS later filled. Originally the BEARS were just happy to be out there doing it,that of course eveolved to what it is today. Mention was made of the "eligibility"of the Britten bike it was welcomed as it was still non Japanese & of course a local production, not forgetting that John & the other 2/3rds of the Three fools racing team were original members of the BEARS. The BEARS of course have taken on a life of there own with I imagine not too many of the original BEARS still around or participating, that is testimony to the BEARS themselves having that special character of their own.
And yes there really isn't anything quite like the song of a Triple at full howl.
LONG LIVE THE BEARS

[popelli]

And yes there really isn't anything quite like the song of a Triple at full howl.
LONG LIVE THE BEARS

go to mallory park each year for the festival of 1000 bikes

the sound of a rocket 3 being thrashed on the track takes a lot of beating

ditto the sight/sound of a Triumph Hurricane being give full noise

Tried taking my own bike out and realised very quickly that there are a lot better riders out there than myself

[Crasherfromwayback]

Tried taking my own bike out and realised very quickly that there are a lot better riders out there than myself

That's the thing with motorsickles! No matter how good you are, or think you are, there's always someone that'll come along that's much faster than you.

So you've gotta be big enough to appreciate it when they come flying by!

[Kickaha]

John Britten & company on their alcohol burning cast iron Triumphs were making the Classic Register guys feel uneasy about things & there was a kind of vacuum which the BEARS later filled.

If my scanner hadn't just shit itself I'd put a picture up I have of him on that bike

The one that stands out most from those early days was Joe Hannah, that 650 was a rocket


Mention was made of the "eligibility"of the Britten bike it was welcomed as it was still non Japanese & of course a local production, not forgetting that John & the other 2/3rds of the Three fools racing team were original members of the BEARS.

Well the original did have a Ducati Motor in and then a Denco, but there's probably bugger all people think of those when the name Britten comes up


The BEARS of course have taken on a life of there own with I imagine not too many of the original BEARS still around or participating, that is testimony to the BEARS themselves having that special character of their own.

There's probably only a handful that were involved in the "early days" still about


And yes there really isn't anything quite like the song of a Triple at full howl.

Jon Whites would have the been the first one I ever heard, such an awesome sound

[ellipsis]

Jon Whites would have the been the first one I ever heard, such an awesome sound

.....oh..fuck yeah....instant hard on when that blew past the pit wall.....and such a beautifully prepared bike....

[fuknKIWI]

That's the thing with motorsickles! No matter how good you are, or think you are, there's always someone that'll come along that's much faster than you.

So you've gotta be big enough to appreciate it when they come flying by!

This brings me back to John Britten, who flew past me during the aptly named Flying Farewell (SoT '88?) making me feel totally inadequate as a rider. I remember thinking how can anyone ride so fast, the next lap my question was answered. John was sitting on his prostrate bike watching the racing, I was pleased to know you can't ride that fast, well not for ever. As thaey say to finish first first you must finish:facepalm:

Yep there were some great bikes at those early meetings Joe's sprunghub "7T" with its 5 speed gearbox shoe horned in.
Whitey's triple what a weapon.
Lucifer's Mallet how could you forget that one.
There was also another Denco powered bike there too, went really well too.
There was also a country boy on a BSA Bushman:shit:

[ellipsis]

.....was looking for a pic of Joh Hannah on the Triumph....came across this one ....country boy on a bushman...

<img src="http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac85/motorcycle-mania/TrickyBantamatRuapunaearly80s.jpg">

[avgas]

.....was looking for a pic of Joh Hannah on the Triumph....came across this one ....country boy on a bushman...

http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac85/motorcycle-mania/TrickyBantamatRuapunaearly80s.jpg
Cool! gotta anymore?

[Crasherfromwayback]

This brings me back to John Britten, who flew past me during the aptly named Flying Farewell (SoT '88?) making me feel totally inadequate as a rider.

I was at Ruapuna in 1991 on my KR1SP thinking I was doing the business, when Andrew Stroud went by me on the back wheel of the Britten. The draft he made nearly sucked me off my fucking bike. Only my dry cleaner and myself know what that did to me that day.

[ellipsis]

...gotta look in my...back when I cant remember much...boxes...I.will dig them out and get them scanned...taken on one of those old 110 cartridge cameras....laugh now to think about what we had in those days...

[avgas]

Once things get established they tend to stay that way
Are you sure?
I remember 500 2-strokes
I remember a 750 supersport class
I remember a 600 supersport class
I remember a 2L Touring car class
I remember a Group B rally class
And I am a young'n
Things change all the time. Most due to the Ducati Riders Complaint Club (DRCC) whom don't like losing on overpriced machinery.

[avgas]

I was at Ruapuna in 1991 on my KR1SP thinking I was doing the business, when Andrew Stroud went by me on the back wheel of the Britten. The draft he made nearly sucked me off my fucking bike. Only my dry cleaner and myself know what that did to me that day.
Shit happens man, you have moved on.


(pun intended):yes:</pun>

[Crasherfromwayback]

Shit happens man, you have moved on.


Only recently

[ellipsis]

.....Joh Hannah....

<img src="http://i888.photobucket.com/albums/ac85/motorcycle-mania/Image35.jpg">

[jellywrestler]

Shit happens technically it's caused by an arsehole...

[avgas]

technically it's caused by an arsehole...
Arseholes are handy when you keep feeding the system however.
Otherwise you end up with a blowout.

[300weatherby]

I havent trolled through the posts that follow yours but Im of exactly the same opinion Bruce. It seems a nonsense to run seperate events ( politics notwithstanding and maybe some prejudice ) when we only have a tiny population. European bikes especially are a lot stronger in the race scene and its great to see them mixing it with Japanese bikes.

You, along with most Nth Islanders, show your ignorance of the BEARS scene in the South, educate yourself on the subject before making such statements- you of all people might not want to alienate motorcycle riders of any type......

Among other things, Bears is a racing community thing, rather than the self absorbed, individualistic racing thing that afflicts lots of the so called "mainstream" motorcycle racing in NZ- and since I race in both and see both sides of the argument, my opinion is more informed than yours, untill you (and a boat load of others) make an effort to understand what Bears is actually about.

Andy, 675 Daytona: Christchurch, Mainland NZ.

[avgas]

Among other things, Bears is a racing community thing, rather than the self absorbed, individualistic racing thing that afflicts lots of the so called "mainstream" motorcycle racing in NZ
So you mean "clubmans"......or "club day"

or do you mean "Golf Clubhouse meeting" or "Polo day"

Sorry I don't buy your argument for a second.
Usually when people say "its not mainstream".......they have swallowed the sales pitch.

Not mainstream is a rat bike, a turbo bike, a triton........... not a bunch of rich kids riding a brandname. Doing that is actually more mainstream than you think.

[Yow Ling]

What makes a bike eligible for Bears, is there a rule book or is it just based on the mood of the committee on the day. How much Japanese content is allowed, I have heard of a local built bike with euro engine being kicked out of Sot because of a RS125 swingarm, but britten is ok with jap gearbox.

[Kickaha]

not a bunch of rich kids riding a brandname.

If you really think that and aren't just trolling then you're speaking from a position of ignorance, if you came down to the SOT or a BEARs club day you'd see you're well wide of the mark


, I have heard of a local built bike with euro engine being kicked out of Sot because of a RS125 swingarm

He knew that was likely to happen but chose to try entering it anyway


1. Motorcycles must be of British, European, or American design with an engine and chassis of non Asian design or manufacture.

Only says engine, nothing about the transmission, if they really wanted to be pricks they could toss the whole thing as it also say frames must be "Non Asian design"

[fuknKIWI]

What makes a bike eligible for Bears, is there a rule book or is it just based on the mood of the committee on the day. How much Japanese content is allowed, I have heard of a local built bike with euro engine being kicked out of Sot because of a RS125 swingarm, but britten is ok with jap gearbox.
An early rule was non japanese engine & non japanese frame, this was not strictly enforced as the DENCO was in a jap rolling chassis.
In the early days jap disc brake front ends were often used, permitted but not encouraged.
Re the RS125 swing arm either the adjudicator or the competitor were known to be an arsehole so extreme prejudice prevail, or they were both arseholes.
Every now & again an arsehole did rock up to BEARS meetings I'm sure they still do.:shutup:

[CHOPPA]

I heard they wouldnt let melcolm bell ride his ncr cause they reckon it had a jap part number lol