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Ixion
12th June 2005, 14:06
Here (http://www.sportrider.com/ride/146_9306_pace/) . Worth a read

eliot-ness
13th June 2005, 08:52
Good article. Most of it all loners will already know. without the distractions of other riders one can work up to a good average speed without hurtling along like a missile in search of a target. I.O.M. TT is a good example. Riders are started at intervals, the race is against the clock rather than a battle between a dozen or so closely matched riders battling for advantage through corners. One thing in the article puzzles me though. Quote. As the tire comes off full lean it puts more rubber on the road.//
surely the opposite is the case. Everythng I've read aboout motorcycle tires has stressed that footprint is increased on lean, not decreased.???? Any tire experts out there???
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vifferman
13th June 2005, 09:06
One thing in the article puzzles me though. Quote. As the tire comes off full lean it puts more rubber on the road.//
surely the opposite is the case. Everythng I've read aboout motorcycle tires has stressed that footprint is increased on lean, not decreased.???? Any tire experts out there???
Not a tyre expert, but the reason is that the footprint on the tyre is greater when leaned over BUT on full lean it's slightly smaller than just off full lean, due to smaller effective diameter of tyre on the road.

Drunken Monkey
13th June 2005, 09:13
12 years old and still as relevant today as it was back then.

Item 9. in the principles list made me dig up this old thread by Big Dog:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=879&highlight=hand+signals

It would be worth revisiting. A standard set of hand signals could help lessen confusion with directions, intents and stopping/stopped riders in a group ride. There are a few common ones we all know, i.e. slow down - hazard (or tax collector) ahead and the wave past, but there are a range of different interpretations for some others. Might work on some little pictures and see if we can all adopt the same signals.

Pwalo
13th June 2005, 09:18
Yep I've read this article many times before, and it's still relevant. Good advice for any rider on the road.

XP@
13th June 2005, 09:42
12 years old and still as relevant today as it was back then.

Item 9. in the principles list made me dig up this old thread by Big Dog:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php?t=879&highlight=hand+signals

It would be worth revisiting. A standard set of hand signals could help lessen confusion with directions, intents and stopping/stopped riders in a group ride. There are a few common ones we all know, i.e. slow down - hazard (or tax collector) ahead and the wave past, but there are a range of different interpretations for some others. Might work on some little pictures and see if we can all adopt the same signals.

Yeh sounds like a good idea. would be useful to get a good list of kiwi signals together...
I have seen a few better lists than the linked one, will try do a search...

Drunken Monkey
13th June 2005, 09:53
'googling' hand signals brings up some pretty instant results:

http://www.buckscountypahog.org/handsig.jpg

(& other useful stuff from: http://www.buckscountypahog.org/hogsafe.html )

And also (I think this one is more thorough):

http://www.bobhenneman.info/handsignals.htm

eliot-ness
13th June 2005, 15:00
Not a tyre expert, but the reason is that the footprint on the tyre is greater when leaned over BUT on full lean it's slightly smaller than just off full lean, due to smaller effective diameter of tyre on the road.

Thanks Vifferman. That makes sense. Never get into that territory on the Zimmermobile so I can stop worrying.

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zadok
13th June 2005, 15:10
Very good. The 10 points at the end are a great summing up.