Will a CRF230 fit in my 1991 Hiace LWB van? (standard roof)

[Leyton]

Hey all

Has anyone measured from the ground up to the top of the handle bars on either there

CRF230, or CRF250's ?

If so, I would love the measurement :)

Or do bikes just happen to fit nicely in a 1991 LWB Hiace Van (Not the hi-top model)

Cheers in advance!

Leyton

[Crasherfromwayback]

Piece of piss!

[scott411]

easy with out any seats in them,

and you can fit two of tehm behind a seat if you know what you are doing

[honda_power]

sorry to hijack thread, but its been answered so what the hell...

im looking at vans at the moment, seen quite a few 4x4 mitsi delica's with low k's for very reasonable prices.

they are a bit smaller than normal vans, wondering if you can fit bikes in the back, 4x4 would be handy.

[spookytooth]

The only van i had any probs geting a bike in the back was a older ford econovan (duel wheel model) easy enough to pull the frount of the bike down with tiedowns tho

[Buddy L]

Its also easy just to lossen off the handle bars and fold them down.
I don't have that problem, as i can stack bikes up to 4.5m off the ground on the ute (i think).:facepalm:

[Leyton]

Big thanks to those who replyed and issued me with some great assurance ! :) Well it also turns out the new house I am moving into has a storage shed wide enough for bars to go through!!!!! So bike storage in the shed as well !! Yussss!!!!


sorry to hijack thread, but its been answered so what the hell...

im looking at vans at the moment, seen quite a few 4x4 mitsi delica's with low k's for very reasonable prices.

they are a bit smaller than normal vans, wondering if you can fit bikes in the back, 4x4 would be handy.

You can get 4x4 Hiaces they are just rare, and probably a problem to get parts for if you need it : http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Toyota/auction-330916106.htm

I went Van hunting, serious van hunting and I found the Hiace to be the better van dispite the common rusty spots. The fact that they are common means easy to fix, and the same bodys have been around between 1990 and 2000, so got to be good right ? :)

Not a big van fan of Mitsi's because , and I am not sure if its an issue on the Delicas too, but the bores are hardened and when you need new rings.. you can not hone the bores or it kills the hardening then you only get like 20-30,000 km out of them. Hiaces tend to go forever, Like mine.. 260,000km on the motor and still 155psi in all cylenders :) (2237cc Petrol)

[B0000M]

my brother in law had a 4wd delica / l300, had to pull the bike down to get it to fit

bikes will just fit in a standard l300

old shape (1989-2004) hiace lwb you can apparently get 2 bikes in with a back seat, but im yet to see it in person, you can easily get 2 bikes in with the seat folded up. really easy to get 1 bike in with the seats in place


same shape, but swb you can get 2 bikes in also. and if you have a super custom, or with super custom type seats, you can leave the single seat in place in the front of the back and still get 2 bikes in it.


helpful hint when looking on trademe at hiaces, a lot of people claim LWB when in fact their van is not. easiest way to tell from photos, is if you look at the back of the sliding door, the lwb has about 1ft between the rear of the door opening and the wheel arch, while the SWB has about 50mm. then there is the super long, super high, these have an additional narrow side window as well as the extra extra room.

new shape hiace -04-current, you can fit 3 full size bikes in with no seats, or fit whatever you can otherwise

[scott411]

old shape (1989-2004) hiace lwb you can apparently get 2 bikes in with a back seat, but im yet to see it in person, you can easily get 2 bikes in with the seat folded up. really easy to get 1 bike in with the seats in place



i have done it, 2 bikes with the back seat in,

you need to put them in backwards, with teh front wheels pointing to the outside and hard into the corner, you take out the rear roof vent that is in the top corner and put a tiedown to their from the handlebar, then the other tiedown to the floor,

[honda_power]

Big thanks to those who replyed and issued me with some great assurance ! :) Well it also turns out the new house I am moving into has a storage shed wide enough for bars to go through!!!!! So bike storage in the shed as well !! Yussss!!!!



You can get 4x4 Hiaces they are just rare, and probably a problem to get parts for if you need it : http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Cars/Toyota/auction-330916106.htm

I went Van hunting, serious van hunting and I found the Hiace to be the better van dispite the common rusty spots. The fact that they are common means easy to fix, and the same bodys have been around between 1990 and 2000, so got to be good right ? :)

Not a big van fan of Mitsi's because , and I am not sure if its an issue on the Delicas too, but the bores are hardened and when you need new rings.. you can not hone the bores or it kills the hardening then you only get like 20-30,000 km out of them. Hiaces tend to go forever, Like mine.. 260,000km on the motor and still 155psi in all cylenders :) (2237cc Petrol)

yeah, out of my price range though, im looking at early to mid 90's models. 4wd would be nice, but i dont really NEED it.

got a mate with a l200 4wd, id imagine they are the same engines, id be surprised if its seen an oil change in the last 5 years, uses it all day every day on the farm and still runs perfect, so they cant all be that bad.


my brother in law had a 4wd delica / l300, had to pull the bike down to get it to fit

bikes will just fit in a standard l300

old shape (1989-2004) hiace lwb you can apparently get 2 bikes in with a back seat, but im yet to see it in person, you can easily get 2 bikes in with the seat folded up. really easy to get 1 bike in with the seats in place


same shape, but swb you can get 2 bikes in also. and if you have a super custom, or with super custom type seats, you can leave the single seat in place in the front of the back and still get 2 bikes in it.


helpful hint when looking on trademe at hiaces, a lot of people claim LWB when in fact their van is not. easiest way to tell from photos, is if you look at the back of the sliding door, the lwb has about 1ft between the rear of the door opening and the wheel arch, while the SWB has about 50mm. then there is the super long, super high, these have an additional narrow side window as well as the extra extra room.

new shape hiace -04-current, you can fit 3 full size bikes in with no seats, or fit whatever you can otherwise

cool, thanks for that, delica out of the question then. a shame, you can pick up a mint mid 90's with 150k's on it for the same price as a dented up '90 lwb hiace with 350k's

[Brainflex]

I have a nissan serena 92 and I get my husky te250 in the back. I use a strap to pull the front suspension down. Couple this with a steep ramp it gets in the back door. Strap in down n release front suspension. Centre seats are out n rear seats folded up.
If you try hard enough, there is always a way.

[flyingcr250]

my 4X4 hiace super custom is awesome, just dont over heat them :facepalm:

[cheese]

Don't get a CRF230, the 250 is so much better.

[B0000M]

Don't get a CRF230, the 250 is so much better.

dont get a CRF, CR is so much better :woohoo:

[honda_power]

dont get a cr, a ktm is way better








just thought id take that away from the ktm owners

[Leyton]

Don't get a CRF230, the 250 is so much better.

Amen to that! I have ridden one :) But I dont want a bike that will intimidate the Mrs :) If she gets on with the 230 then its a win! it will be hers, I will get a 450! hehe. Depending on the weight difference... My last bike was a YZF-R6 .. so a manic bike does not scare me hehe.

I have ridden a 230 before, whilst I found it mellow I did not mind toooooo much, but the suspension was real sucky from memory.

[cheese]

the 230 has suspension made of M&M's and and exhaust off a honda civic. if you want to get mellow I think you can get a voxtex ignition curve doofer for the 250 or just get a CRF250x. the R is quite nice and easy to ride.

[Leyton]

the 230 has suspension made of M&M's and and exhaust off a honda civic. if you want to get mellow I think you can get a voxtex ignition curve doofer for the 250 or just get a CRF250x. the R is quite nice and easy to ride.

Hey thats good to hear you can power them down a bit :) I will have a ride on both 250 and 230 stock and compare them a bit. The CRF250R that I had a play on was very worked, and VERY Fun!. I have not tried a stock CR250R, I presume they rev up quicker and produce a bit more highend grunt, the wheely kind. Where as the 230 is more low down.

I like the idea of the CRF250X as it has a light for trail riding!, but they are more expensive in NZ :)

[camchain]

sorry to hijack thread, but its been answered so what the hell...

im looking at vans at the moment, seen quite a few 4x4 mitsi delica's with low k's for very reasonable prices.

they are a bit smaller than normal vans, wondering if you can fit bikes in the back, 4x4 would be handy.
I'm a coupla days late here as usual, but a mate had a Delica 4X4, also had a Hiace before that. The Delica definitely had a bit less room in it, more bulky internal trim. Still get two bikes in (one facing back one forward) but noticable more hassle to juggle everything in. Ended up with nasty chafing of my new side plastics (sniff).

Can't be sure, but think rear door hole might have been a little tighter too. Found it helped to use a tie down from handle bar to bottom of fork to compress front. Slid in easier after that. Vans need more head room!

[B0000M]

I like the idea of the CRF250X as it has a light for trail riding!, but they are more expensive in NZ :)

if you are able to kick start the R, get the R.

the X is just watered down and heavy in comparison, i ended up doing a shitload of mods to my mrs's old X to get it to perform... and it was still just a typical slow 4 stroke :facepalm:

[honda_power]

I'm a coupla days late here as usual, but a mate had a Delica 4X4, also had a Hiace before that. The Delica definitely had a bit less room in it, more bulky internal trim. Still get two bikes in (one facing back one forward) but noticable more hassle to juggle everything in. Ended up with nasty chafing of my new side plastics (sniff).

Can't be sure, but think rear door hole might have been a little tighter too. Found it helped to use a tie down from handle bar to bottom of fork to compress front. Slid in easier after that. Vans need more head room!

good to know, thanks, will avoid them anyway - i run high bars for fmx a lot of the time and id rather not have to shuffle everything around just to fit bikes in. Heard a few nasty storys about them since anyway

[motor_mayhem]

About 5 years ago I had an old KX 80 SW as a project bike. I discovered if i took the front forks and handlebars off I could fit it all in the boot of my familia sedan, with the back seats folded down.

have a Navara dc ute for moving bikes around. 4WD, 31 tyres and a short deck means its quite high and a bit more annoying to get bikes on and off, but I gather there's nothing worse than being stuck in the wops just after you've finished loading your bike. I guess height from the ground isn't a major consideration for your van though, but 4WD is definitely on the good to have list

[Dent]

Good thread.

Would those in the know about hiace vans 1990-2000ish like to share info about where to check for rust? I understand there are some problem areas.

Also any other common fault to look for.

Cheers.

[Leyton]

Don't get a CRF230, the 250 is so much better.

LOL, Yeah I agree, however I am now a proud owner of a CRF230f from yesterday. And it fitted in the van mint!, I made a nice little sliding rail contraption that bolts to the floor so I have move the front wheel stay from left to right to fit more bikes etc..

My wife just learnt to ride the bike yesterday and is keen so my plan is working :)

CRF230 a little under powered for my liking, meaning I have to flog it to get that hint of power but it is the right height for a short ass for me :)

I stopped riding dirt at 18, I am 27 now and been riding road since 25 just about every weekend and by far a better road rider then dirt! hehe, it took me a while yesterday to learn the best method to assist the bike in turning tight turns (GAS) :)

[CRF119]

If your buying a Hi Ace try to stay away from the 2.4 diesel they pretty slow. Watch for cracked heads on all models. Petrol/LPG idle really low and rough when cold if the valves are burnt. Common around 300,000km

You are pretty safe if all it looks well maintained. I had a mate drive around with a blowen head gasket for a year in his i think he gave up putting water in it because it cant boil that way haha.

The Hi Ace is definitely your best option for vans tho. I Have one. Also fits road bikes in.

Mitisi use to much gas for no hp

[been_there]

I am using 96 Nissan Largo with my YZ450. Have to strope the front down to get her in. Woulve been easier if I didnt have risers, but hey it still gets in there.

And to think before I brought my bike in March, I was going to sell the van for $1000.... :facepalm:
SOOOOOO glad i didnt!!!!!!

[D3ALN]

I use my l300 van and get two bikes in piece of piss no mucking around. 3 with a squeeze