The creation of "money" and who benefits! ( For those who would like to know!)

[oldrider]

The Creation of "money", who it benefits, how and why and why you are not one of them! :hitcher:

Listen to this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6moe-mRDkDs&feature=related if you are interested!

The New Zealand Social Credit party was lampooned and ridiculed for exposing this and offering an alternative, "why"?

Under the first past the post electoral system, Social Credit achieved 21% of the vote and got only one or two seats in parliament for their efforts!

The rest of your elected representatives ganged up on them, both Labour and National and ridiculed them as the "Funny Money" party who would issue money at will!

They also called them the $3:00 note party and the electorate believed them and rushed to follow Bob Jones and his New Zealand party, supposedly to attack National and Robert Muldoon but it was Social Credit that they were really targeting and getting rid of, "WHY"?

Have another listen to the video above, if you still don't get it, I guess you probably never will! :facepalm:

One of the biggest critics of Social Credit, was Jim Anderton, the man who brought you Kiwi Bank, through his alliance with "Democrats for Social Credit", funny how leopards can change their spots when it suits them politically!

Social Credit was warned not to use that title for their political party name, because the socialists would grab it and use it to their own devices and devalue its principles, that is exactly what has happened in New Zealand. :yes:

[Mudfart]

its very interesting to have ones eyes opened to know who shits in your backyard, and surprise surprise its the friendly neighbourhood watch.
if our own hicktown polititians can pull stunts like this, imagine the shit that goes down that we have no knowledge of.
btw, i havent watched the boob toob vid yet coz im at SLOW band speed til the 26th. another extra tax the revenue gatherers take. ahhh i remember when telecom had unlimited bandwidth at one low monthly fee.

[oldrider]

Another illustration of the evolution of money and "our" demise!

This one is slow to get going! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_40aLB0xO0&feature=related

I was caned and chastised severely at school for asking questions of this nature, was in to my twenties before I learned why, they simply didn't know the answer and I was persistent beyond their endurance! :spanking:

Not bitter, simply astounded but when you know the truth, better men than me and my teachers have been fooled by this lot, time to awaken me thinks! :yes:

[NighthawkNZ]

Part of the the ZEITGEIST and ZEITGEIST Addendum They are making a third one and should be out soon. The movies and you can down load the whole thing from their website.

and basically that is what I have been saying for years, people are modern day slaves to the system and yet the don't know it...

[mashman]

and basically that is what I have been saying for years, people are modern day slaves to the system and yet the don't know it...

I think people know it, or knew it once upon a time, suspect it, or just choose to ignore it as a foregone conclusion that they have absolutely no say in whatsoever. Ok, people get to vote :killingme

[Motu]

If you weren't going to vote Labour or National,you had two choices - Social Credit or the Communist Party.Social Credit sounded like socialism to me,so I always voted for the Communist Party.Nice to watch the results on TV,and see your one vote actually up on the board.

[scissorhands]

For those that know, no explanation is necessary, for those that dont, none is possible. Rejecting the pack consciousness and the big man rhetoric, is too much for most pundits.

[twinbruva]

The Creation of "money", who it benefits, how and why and why you are not one of them! :hitcher:

Listen to this, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6moe-mRDkDs&feature=related if you are interested!

The New Zealand Social Credit party was lampooned and ridiculed for exposing this and offering an alternative, "why"?

Under the first past the post electoral system, Social Credit achieved 21% of the vote and got only one or two seats in parliament for their efforts!

The rest of your elected representatives ganged up on them, both Labour and National and ridiculed them as the "Funny Money" party who would issue money at will!

They also called them the $3:00 note party and the electorate believed them and rushed to follow Bob Jones and his New Zealand party, supposedly to attack National and Robert Muldoon but it was Social Credit that they were really targeting and getting rid of, "WHY"?

Have another listen to the video above, if you still don't get it, I guess you probably never will! :facepalm:

One of the biggest critics of Social Credit, was Jim Anderton, the man who brought you Kiwi Bank, through his alliance with "Democrats for Social Credit", funny how leopards can change their spots when it suits them politically!

Social Credit was warned not to use that title for their political party name, because the socialists would grab it and use it to their own devices and devalue its principles, that is exactly what has happened in New Zealand. :yes:

Ahh Zeitgeist, great movie. I also have the 'Addendum' and he is apparently making a third. Can't wait.

[oldrider]

Money as debt part #2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuo70DWUtxA&feature=related

[oldrider]

Money as a debt part #3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZ767JkFQfw&feature=related

[Edbear]

I'm not one for conspiracy theories, Man isn't clever enough or united enough to pull it off. I can pick some holes in the videos on that score.

What is true is that greed and mismanagement due to the "need" to make profits has lead to exploiting the "wants" and needs of people and taking risks that are short-sighted and bound to fail in the medium to long term.

Banks encourage borrowing to ensure a steady income of interest and allow, even encourage, people to borrow beyond their means. They also borrow money to lend it out on higher interest to make more money. The interest is calculated as an asset that is then used to underwrite further lending/borrowing, leading to the situation where there is not enough actual cash to settle the debts should it all turn to custard and the debtors default.

This is no more blatant than the subprime situation in the US that triggered the world's economic crisis. I opined back in the 80's that the world was heading for financial disaster due to the "paper money" that did not exist and many financiers were warning about the consequences ahead.

Think about it. Banks lending 120% of the value of the property while interest rates were low, counting on the borrower's being able to cover the future repayments when they were stretching to service the initial loan, not considering the future interest rate rises, and also counting on capital value increasing to cover the 20% deficit in the value of the security!

The borrower defaults, the bank forecloses on a property worth less than the debt, the bank can't recover more than about 70% of the debt and then defaults on its own borrowing. Multiply that by thousands of banks and billions of dollars and you have a guaranteed world financial meltdown!

The financial system depends on the populace being able to service debt and spend money. NZ, while we were in a far better position than the US, UK and Europe, has been struggling to survive simply because people suddenly got scared and decided to stop spending, leading to a snowball effect as businesses went under through lack of custom leading to more unemployment and less money being spent and so on....

Money can be managed effectively but unfortunately it requires fiscal responsibility, self-control and a lack of greed, not things readily found in people.

So rather than a conspiracy by a faceless, nameless group of men in high places who haven't got the ability to get it together, it is a natural consequence of Man's greed and incompetence with everyone jumping on the bandwagon for fear they will be left behind or miss out. Certainly there are deals done by the wealthy to further their own interests, but it's a cut-throat world and there are no friends in these "high places". Collapse was inevitable!

[oldrider]

Money as a debt part #4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eGJWsMfNmY&feature=related

[oldrider]

Money as debt part #5 (conclusion)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiFKGd0pA3I&feature=related

[ellipsis]

....for the love of money, is the root of all evil....

[Brian d marge]

the whole system relies on our sticking to the system , if we dont follow it and remove our personal debt , the whole system falls down

yes we have to use money BUT bypass the banks , buy local , help your kids by reducing the debt they have ,

and by that they become free(er) , my debt is sod all hence I dont have to work every hour of the day ,,

and for $&'(89"" sake ignore the IMF

see Ireland and NZ for how to be shafted by said institutions

Stephen

[Mudfart]

stephen hawking and his cronies cover modern day and historical economics in the book im reading atm.
they say economic principles are flawed to the point of the idea that perfect economics never being possible and that we will always be in the shit. kind of how the church rejected the ideas of the laws of nature and said "no, God is responsible for EVERYTHING", and imposed this law on everyone for 1500 years, the earthly law that stated the study of the laws of nature were herecy.
how can something only ever go up, and up and up? oh the yanks were soooo proud when the NASDAQ hit 10,000 points. it was played on ALL the TV news stations around the world.

[Pascal]

Core economic principles have an essential element. Money will always flow uphill.

Imagine you are a labourer working for Acme Corporation. You are employed to help build the Flargleblaster, the one device that everybody on the planet needs. To simplify this example, imagine that device provides everything you need. Food, clothing, housing, etc. Now, if everybody else in the world works on building these devices as well ... (Yes, division of labour, etc.) you have one simple end result.

The person working to build this device will innately become poorer in relation to the company that builds them.

You have to work to buy one. The company must make a profit to stay in business. Hence they must charge you more to buy that than you can earn from them.

Now sure, in the real world it is a bit more complex as there is no single Flargleblaster. But the multitude of products, services, etc. that are required have a simple, core principle. Those providing those must make profit out of delivering those products and services. The entire system revolves around an uphill flow of money.

[oldrider]

Core economic principles have an essential element. Money will always flow uphill.

Imagine you are a labourer working for Acme Corporation. You are employed to help build the Flargleblaster, the one device that everybody on the planet needs. To simplify this example, imagine that device provides everything you need. Food, clothing, housing, etc. Now, if everybody else in the world works on building these devices as well ... (Yes, division of labour, etc.) you have one simple end result.

The person working to build this device will innately become poorer in relation to the company that builds them.

You have to work to buy one. The company must make a profit to stay in business. Hence they must charge you more to buy that than you can earn from them.

Now sure, in the real world it is a bit more complex as there is no single Flargleblaster. But the multitude of products, services, etc. that are required have a simple, core principle. Those providing those must make profit out of delivering those products and services. The entire system revolves around an uphill flow of money.

True!

The gap between the cost of production (of goods and services, gross national product) and the purchasing power of the producers (gross national income)
is the value of the new credit produced by the banks but they charge interest to do it!

The new money can never cover that gap because the interest charged erodes the value and the gap gradually increases until the situation we have today occurs as a direct result!

Strange that we can build huge works, develop extraordinary technology, send men to the moon, etc etc but we can't produce a balanced monetary system without the need for wars, booms and busts!

The credit that is required to "balance" the gap between production and consumption is the "social credit" of every nation!

Why then are we continuing to worship and support these perpetrators of the "failed" and proven "failed" "SOCIAL DEBT" monetary system?

Most curious of all, why do "we" allow the minority who "benefit" from it, to continue to do so???? :weird:

Totally at "our" expense! :doh:

[dipshit]

We need to make more gold.

[scissorhands]

Core economic principles have an essential element. Money will always flow uphill.

Imagine you are a labourer working for Acme Corporation. You are employed to help build the Flargleblaster, the one device that everybody on the planet needs. To simplify this example, imagine that device provides everything you need. Food, clothing, housing, etc. Now, if everybody else in the world works on building these devices as well ... (Yes, division of labour, etc.) you have one simple end result.

The person working to build this device will innately become poorer in relation to the company that builds them.

You have to work to buy one. The company must make a profit to stay in business. Hence they must charge you more to buy that than you can earn from them.

Now sure, in the real world it is a bit more complex as there is no single Flargleblaster. But the multitude of products, services, etc. that are required have a simple, core principle. Those providing those must make profit out of delivering those products and services. The entire system revolves around an uphill flow of money.

Unless you never buy retail Flargleblasters, are self employed, fix the old Flargleblaster yourself for free, buy broken flargleblasters and become like a pseudo flargleblaster manufacturer yourself!

For you, owning and keeping flargleblasters consumes no work hours, but a hobby or pastime, and is a nourishing experience. You start to recognise faces at pick - a - part

No youse aint nobodies bitch, and then you see your desire for flargleblasters as shallow and implanted in your brain, and not even authentic to you.

And then your friends who own similar flargleblasters as you, have the same haircut and listen to the same music, start to worry when you prefer to sleep out in the garden, where you can see the moon

[Brian d marge]

True!

The gap between the cost of production (of goods and services, gross national product) and the purchasing power of the producers (gross national income)
is the value of the new credit produced by the banks but they charge interest to do it!

The new money can never cover that gap because the interest charged erodes the value and the gap gradually increases until the situation we have today occurs as a direct result!

Strange that we can build huge works, develop extraordinary technology, send men to the moon, etc etc but we can't produce a balanced monetary system without the need for wars, booms and busts!

The credit that is required to "balance" the gap between production and consumption is the "social credit" of every nation!

Why then are we continuing to worship and support these perpetrators of the "failed" and proven "failed" "SOCIAL DEBT" monetary system?

Most curious of all, why do "we" allow the minority who "benefit" from it, to continue to do so???? :weird:

Totally at "our" expense! :doh:
Completely agree
but there not a lot we can do about it except the gandi principle , ( Which while extreme , is watered down in my other post , ie.... just don't use the banks.... as much as possible ,
No this doesn't mean keeping savings under the bed , or in a cardboard box. Sure use banks to house said money , but there are there ways to save , a friend of mine buys 100 dollars a month of gold , just rings up bank and says transfer 100 into gold
Borrowing money ? borrow from family first,
Education ? why do we borrow money for this? reduce this amount as much as possible ... Does Johnny REALLY need a uni degree?? or just be damn good at a readin a rightin and arithmatic
In fact as I type this the more green economies I can think of a lot of them working very well and benefiting the local economy
Me
I buy local a much as possible ( the farmer road side stall or friends swap what we grow )
I borrowed off family and built on family land ( paid for years ago)
I don't have any big ticket purchases ( Enfield?? and an old CR)
any stuff I buy is paid for in cash

and I vote against Imf /american.wall street economics in any shape or form ( ie the new right )

I still have to pick cotton for master , but only a little ,,,,,

Stephen224352

Added this little drawing I did , ,,and in "I" we trust ,,,,,,,,,,( and will be our downfall)

[oldrider]

Here is video clip from America, the land of plenty and the free!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CnnOOo6tRs8&feature=player_embedded

And here is a second video taken at a later date again and this is America, not India preparing for the Commonwealth games!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrPdZmPB36U&feature=player_embedded

Here is another video clip that illustrates the corresponding decay in Government behaviour, when faced with situations that they (the politicians) have no idea how to control!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=AzPe515C1gI

So where, in the face of all this world disarray, is little old NZ heading?

Do you really think our politicians can handle it and will they have "our" best interests at heart as they face it?

Is blind faith in our "left" - "right" political loyalties going to be of any use when they all cling to current economical strategies of the money barons outlined above in this thread?

I think not! :facepalm:

But all is not lost, we still have time to think!

But how will we (NZ) use our thinking time?

As always probably just the way the media directs us to! :argh: :brick:

[mashman]

So where, in the face of all this world disarray, is little old NZ heading?


In exactly the same direction as every other country on the planet. User pays. Tough shit if you don't have the "means" to look after yourself, go get one of them imaginary jobs the Govt keep talking about...



Do you really think our politicians can handle it and will they have "our" best interests at heart as they face it?


No. They have failed impressively across Millenia. Not just a few days, a political term, 10 years, 100 years, but MILLENIA to get to this point in human history. You gotta wonder WTF they're doing to get it all so wrong?



Is blind faith in our "left" - "right" political loyalties going to be of any use when they all cling to current economical strategies of the money barons outlined above in this thread?

I think not!


Agreed. But it's business, not personal :blink:



But all is not lost, we still have time to think!

But how will we (NZ) use our thinking time?


It's none of our business! Thinking should be left to the professionals. Who else knows us so well and is better qualified to represent "us" than those who have looked after us for Millenia... even though historically they've shafted anyone and everyone they can in search of more money and more power, best leave it to them :blink:


But then again, WTF would I know, I'm not a politician, a financeer or a lawyer... On the plus side, they are continuing the tradition of upstairs and downstairs very well...

[oldrider]

True but if only our peers would take a little time out to think for themselves, instead of waiting for the "revolution"! :2guns:

Then wondering when the dust settles ...... "What Kung Foo dat"! :mellow:

[mashman]

:rofl: because it always ends with depressive thoughts of loneliness and despair with a topping of unadulterated ire at pretty much any strategy the government employees. TPTB knows bestest and are still trusted it seems.

To borrow a phrase "all those moments will be lost in time like tears in rain.".