42nd / Fishers / Old Whanga Rd

[Box'a'bits]

This weekend Mark S & I will riding up from Wellington for another attack on these three tracks. We'll stay at Taumaranui saturday & sunday nights.

We're intending to meet at the Waikanae coffee cart at 8.00 Saturday (27th Nov), backroads to Taihape (ride the station before Gentle Annie) etc.

We are looking to do 42nd Traverse saturday afternoon. We'll use Taumaranui as a base to attack the Old Whanga Rd, Fishers, & any other roads that take our fancy Sunday afternoon. Home Monday by whatever road looks interesting at the time.

Any & all welcome, but PM me if you are keen to meet up, as this is a Make It Up As We Go Along ('MIUAWGA') ride. :facepalm:

[tri boy]

Weather is looking good for your ride.
Me n kanny will be in the Naki, poking blunt sticks at Colins shoulder until he crys:crybaby:
Enjoy:yes:

[junkmanjoe]

dam it, would have be in for a day ride...950 got a dead heart.........and new bike got fuked tires.............:facepalm:

JMJ

[That looks like fun]

Weather is looking good for your ride.
Me n kanny will be in the Naki, poking blunt sticks at Colins shoulder until he crys:crybaby:
Enjoy:yes:

Now I know I may have mentioned this before but I will type it slowly this time so you can read it gooder :innocent:

Your all bastards :love:

Nice little loop on you way to Whanga is turn left after Tahora Saddle and head up Whitianga Rd Then left onto Kohuratahi Rd :yes: Or if your really game :woohoo: Head down to the old Tangarakau township. Jump on the rails and ride like the wind :chase: When you come out of the tunnel on the Whanga side of the saddle there is a vehicle crossing there right by the road side :cool:

[Crisis management]

Check the Whanga road is open, I recall on the Taranaki ride it was closed until 1st december? for lambing .....and a whole pile of slips.

Maybe Phil or Colin will have a better idea of this?

[That looks like fun]

Paging Dr Phil, Dr Phil to the forum please :yes: He will know if the slip has been cleared. Lambing should be well over by now :scooter:

[Phreaky Phil]

Not sure bt Whang rd, Yeah Nah maybe. Will make enquiries. Dog Rooter not quite finished so wont be able to join you. Hope to have a go over Xmas

[Phreaky Phil]

Enquiries have been made, Yep its open. :woohoo: There was a working B Labour weekend to fix the damage.

[Box'a'bits]

Thanks Guys :yes:

[marks]

Nice little loop on you way to Whanga is turn left after Tahora Saddle and head up Whitianga Rd Then left onto Kohuratahi Rd :yes: Or if your really game :woohoo: Head down to the old Tangarakau township. Jump on the rails and ride like the wind :chase: When you come out of the tunnel on the Whanga side of the saddle there is a vehicle crossing there right by the road side :cool:

thanks for that - its been added to the list

unless Steve has other plans I expect we will hall all day Sunday to potter around in the general area.

Its an awesome area - just love it

if I see Triboy on our travels I'll just step out in front of him - even if I'm 100mts away I know from previous experience that he'll go tits up :yes:. Then I'll kick him in the shoulder to encourage him to be nice to you

[tri boy]

if I see Triboy on our travels I'll just step out in front of him - even if I'm 100mts away I know from previous experience that he'll go tits up :yes:. Then I'll kick him in the shoulder to encourage him to be nice to you

I will be doing the ancient celtic rain dance this evening, (totally naked, with flaming toitoi sticking out my arse) to bring forth great rain and furious wind in the 42/fischers/ol whanga region.
Also, a certain ghost will be riding on the back of your bike, making foul ghostly farts for the length of your ride:yes:

[Box'a'bits]

Also, a certain ghost will be riding on the back of your bike, making foul ghostly farts for the length of your ride:yes:
No thats just Mark....:facepalm:

[young1]

I understand that the slip has been cleared (a woman here at work went through in a 4WD recently - she says that they went all the way through....).

If you need a roof over your heads for Sunday night in New Plymouth give me a yell.

Want to meet up at Whangamomona pub for lunch on Sunday?

[.chris]

Curse you Bono, how dare you come to my country when there are fun rides like this happening.

Have fun guys, sounds like it is going to be a wicked ride.

[That looks like fun]

If you need a roof over your heads for Sunday night in New Plymouth give me a yell.

Yeehaa, :woohoo: PARTAY at Mikes Sunday :rockon: :innocent:

[Oscar]

I understand that the slip has been cleared (a woman here at work went through in a 4WD recently - she says that they went all the way through....).

If you need a roof over your heads for Sunday night in New Plymouth give me a yell.

Want to meet up at Whangamomona pub for lunch on Sunday?

There were some nasty slips and a grumpy farmer on Fishers Track last time we were there.

[marks]

If you need a roof over your heads for Sunday night in New Plymouth give me a yell.

Want to meet up at Whangamomona pub for lunch on Sunday?

Hi Mike

thanks for the offer of accommodation. If we stay both nights in Taumaranui we get to go home on Monday via the 42nd (and or maybe fishers)

Without consulting my chief partner in crime - lunch sounds good. If we get to Whanga about 10.30 ish it would probably take a couple of hours to go to the bridge and back so around 1ish would probably work


There were some nasty slips and a grumpy farmer on Fishers Track last time we were there.

I think last time I went through a couple of the guys I was riding with got chewed out by some farmer type guy on a quad - maybe he has nothing better to do.

If we couldn't do fishers I don't think any tears would be shed - its not a patch on the 42nd or old whanga rd and both Steve and I have some unhappy memories of how slick that clay can get

[bart]

I think last time I went through a couple of the guys I was riding with got chewed out by some farmer type guy on a quad - maybe he has nothing better to do.


That prick had a go at me last time. I'd stopped to take a few photos, and he started having a go about trespassing, because I was a metre off the track. He had a go at some others about not being on road legal bikes (they were totally legal), which I thought was hypocritical considering he was on a non road legal quad, without a helmet. :blink:

He must've been having a bad day. :whocares:

[Taz]

Curse you Bono, how dare you come to my country when there are fun rides like this happening.

Have fun guys, sounds like it is going to be a wicked ride.

Who's Bono?

[Oscar]

I think last time I went through a couple of the guys I was riding with got chewed out by some farmer type guy on a quad - maybe he has nothing better to do.

If we couldn't do fishers I don't think any tears would be shed - its not a patch on the 42nd or old whanga rd and both Steve and I have some unhappy memories of how slick that clay can get

Our guy was in there with his dogs and a fuck off big .308 or .3030 over his shoulder.

He was complaining about us using the track and said that the actual road went thru the bottom of the valley. He had also bulldozed a track above Fishers Track and was running drainage pipes off that onto our track, causing erosion.

[Phreaky Phil]

Need to have the track logged onto the GPS so if he reckons ya trespassing you can tell him (politely, if he's got a gun :shutup:) to :finger::shake::argue::scooter::ar15::ar15:

[Eddieb]

Need to have the track logged onto the GPS so if he reckons ya trespassing you can tell him (politely, if he's got a gun :shutup:) to :finger::shake::argue::scooter::ar15::ar15:

Fishers track, and the 42nd are both clearly marked on the Open GPS project maps, the data for that is sourced from LINZ.

If I overlay my Fishers Track tracklog over the free GPS map it matches over about 90-95% of the marked track, where it doesn't match is half a dozen small variations where it looks like the LINZ data doesn't account for the geography, e.g the tracklog zigs or zags where the GPS map track goes straight on

[Crisis management]

How about a complaint to DOC, if they are in charge of it, as it's a track well used by trampers and mountain bikers as well?

Edit:
Rang DOC at National park and the following is an overview:

It's a paper road officially owned by council, they (DOC, Council & police) are aware of the "issue" and there have been meetings to resolve the "issue".
The problem is (as Eddie aludes too) that a small part of the track is on his land (about 2 metres out) and he doesn't like anyone using it, the latest meeting held last week got the owner to agree to a land swap to resolve the issue but he changed his mind afterwards. Great!

Latest news is that there is someone (a relative of the owner) is demanding $10 to pass thru that part of the track and is sitting out there all day waiting for customers, there have been various responses from track users, some paying, some telling him to piss off etc. This bit is all a bit second hand "gossip" so the reality may vary a bit however, it is clear it is on the farmers land and he does have the right to control access to it.

Approach with caution I suggest.

[That looks like fun]

People have the right to use a paper road for walking, biking or any legitimate activity. It is the adjoining landowner’s responsibility to define the boundaries of their land, fence it, or otherwise signpost it to keep people off their property. If the landowner has already defined the boundaries and people continue to cross onto the property, the owner has recourse to the Trespass Act.

NOTE: Territorial authorities such as the Council are exempt from the provisions of the Fencing Act 1978 (i.e. the requirement to meet half the cost of fencing boundaries) where private land adjoins a public road.

Read that bit of legislation to him then start looking for the fence :yes:

Then throw this at him
Where a gate is erected across a road under subsection (1) of this section, a board with the words "Public Road" legibly painted in letters of not less than 75 millimetres in height shall be fixed upon each side of the gate and at all times maintained thereon by the person authorised to erect the gate, or at whose cost it has been agreed that the gate shall be erected and maintained.

[Crisis management]

or otherwise signpost it to keep people off their property.

Possibly depends on how you interprete "signpost", a bloke showing you a line in the dirt and explaining it clearly may be enough........?

Good info to take with you as long as you are prepared for an arguement (and outnumber him).

[That looks like fun]

He was complaining about us using the track and said that the actual road went thru the bottom of the valley. He had also bulldozed a track above Fishers Track and was running drainage pipes off that onto our track, causing erosion.

A.10 Offences

Statute Law
"Section 357 Local Government Act 1974. Penalties for damage to roads--(1) Every person commits an offence who, not being authorised by the council or by or under any Act,--
(a) Encroaches on a road by making or erecting any building, fence, ditch, or other obstacle or work of any kind upon, over, or under the road, or by planting any tree or shrub thereon; or
(b) Places or leaves on a road, any timber, earth, stones, or other thing; or
(c) Digs up, removes, or alters in any way the soil or surface or scarp of a road; or
(d) Damages or, except with the consent of the council, removes or alters any gate or cattle stop lawfully erected across any road; or
(e) Allows any water, tailings, or sludge, or any filthy or noisome matter, to flow from any building or land in his occupation on to a road; or
(f) Wilfully or negligently causes or allows any oil, or any liquid harmful to sealed or paved road surfaces or likely to create a danger to vehicles on such surfaces, to escape on to any road having a sealed or paved surface; or
(g) Causes or permits any timber or other heavy material, not being wholly raised above the ground on wheels, to be dragged on a road; or
(h) Causes or negligently allows any retaining wall, foundation wall, or fence erected on any land, or any batter or slope of earth, or any building, erection, material, or thing, to give way or fall so as to damage or obstruct a road; or
(i) Digs up or removes any stone, gravel, sand, or other material from a river bed within 50 metres of a bridge or ford on any road or any dam on which a road is constructed; or
(j) Does or causes or permits to be done any act whatsoever by which any damage is caused to a road or any work or thing in, on, or under the same--
and is liable to a fine not exceeding $200 and, where the offence is a continuing one, to a further fine not exceeding $20 for every day on which the offence has continued and may be ordered to pay the cost incurred by the council in removing any such encroachment, obstruction, or matter, or in repairing any damage caused as aforesaid:
Provided that no fine shall be imposed unless the information is laid by authority of the council or by an officer thereof.
(2) The Council shall not authorise or suffer any encroachment on a road if the encroachment would or might interfere with or in any way obstruct the right of the Crown, or of any person so authorised by any Act, to construct, place, maintain, alter, remove, or otherwise deal with any electric wires, telephone wires, telegraph wires, pneumatic tubes, or gas pipes on, over, or under the road, except with the prior written consent of the Minister of the Crown, the person, or principal administration officer of the body, who or which is responsible for any such services or utilities."

Take note of section e :yes:

[young1]

Hi Mike

Without consulting my chief partner in crime - lunch sounds good. If we get to Whanga about 10.30 ish it would probably take a couple of hours to go to the bridge and back so around 1ish would probably work



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Sorry Mark I need to be back in New Plymouth by 3.30pm so might leave it for now and do our own thing on Sunday. Have a good ride!

[That looks like fun]

Possibly depends on how you interprete "signpost", a bloke showing you a line in the dirt and explaining it clearly may be enough........?

Good info to take with you as long as you are prepared for an arguement (and outnumber him).

It is the adjoining landowner’s responsibility to define the boundaries of their land

It clearly says who is responsible for ensuring I don't stray onto there land. If I happen to do so they are more than welcome to give me accurate information as to where the road runs. :innocent:

If you out number the guy and win round one don't forget he will be there for round two when some other poor sucker comes scootering along :angry:

Negotiation is always preferable to confrontation. However there are some (on both sides) who don't negotiate well. That is why we have laws so that when negotiation fails a clear binding decision can be made. :yes:

[Crisis management]

If you out number the guy and win round one don't forget he will be there for round two when some other poor sucker comes scootering along :angry:

Negotiation is always preferable to confrontation.

I agree completely with you here, there are no winners once it starts to become a fight, my previous comments were more tonque in cheek than to be taken seriously.

[That looks like fun]

I agree completely with you here, there are no winners once it starts to become a fight, my previous comments were more tonque in cheek than to be taken seriously.

I noticed when you kissed me :sick: your more of a lover :love: than a fighter :girlfight:

[junkmanjoe]

just give the man $10 and ride away..............simple......i have to pay $10 to get gates unlocked where paper roads cross private land............no bother keeps farmer happy and we can still use the roads..........

JMJ

[That looks like fun]

No problems with that Joe :yes: Its not a legal obligation or requirement to pay but like you say its the proverbial Win - Win situation :scooter:

[bart]

just give the man $10 and ride away..............simple......i have to pay $10 to get gates unlocked where paper roads cross private land............no bother keeps farmer happy and we can still use the roads..........

JMJ

I don't mind paying if it's pre-arranged, but the bullying, bribery, bull shit pisses me off. No way I'd pay. :angry: It's not that greater track anyway.

[Taz]

If we pay him will he ride along on his quad and open and close all the gates for us? :innocent:

[junkmanjoe]

if he gets pissed of and fences of his section of the track thats on his land..wont it be impassable for others.... will the track be cut off at that part or is it still possable to get around it...

JMJ

[Phreaky Phil]

I don't mind paying if it's pre-arranged, but the bullying, bribery, bull shit pisses me off. No way I'd pay. :angry: It's not that greater track anyway.Come down to the Naki, I got plenty of tracks. Havent been charged money to ride them yet.
Oh yeah,the ones i'm talking about havent been used on any Naki rides before. Knobs essential !!

[bart]

Come down to the Naki, I got plenty of tracks. Havent been charged money to ride them yet.
Oh yeah,the ones i'm talking about havent been used on any Naki rides before. Knobs essential !!

It's about time I headed over the Naki way. :innocent:

[dino3310]

1. pay your $10 and then fall off (on his 10cent bit of dirt) then ring osh and labour department as he didnt identify the hazards or show you the hazard register for his farm:wacko:

2. i wouldnt pay, that ten bucks would get me 2 pies and a coke in Taumaranui:woohoo:

3. ignore 1. as he then might fence it right of, so then just go straight to number 2 :rofl:

[Phreaky Phil]

It's about time I headed over the Naki way. :innocent:After Xmas the DR should be ready for "testing". I will work on some ideas

[marks]

just to confirm...

I will be at the Waikanae Coffee Cart hoping to leave at 8am Sat Morn
I'm expecting Tony and Steve and hopefully Eddie and we will meet up with Bart at Ashurst at 9.30-9.45

Expecting to be in Taihape between 12-1pm

my cell is 0274499115

spot (http://share.findmespot.com/shared/faces/viewspots.jsp?glId=0dIWGpAPcRhEUyNlkI4k2xhQKKnIB7s jG) you later

[Eddieb]

I'm not likely to be there.

[bart]

OK guys. See you at 9.30 Ashhurst. Might leave early and do a quick trip up Whariti on the way. :woohoo:

[Box'a'bits]

Up & running. See you at 8.00. :yes: Steve

[Night Falcon]

If we pay him will he ride along on his quad and open and close all the gates for us? :innocent:

...does this gut have EPTPOS...I never carry cash.....comes in handy in case I meet someone trying to charge for entry onto public land:corn:

[tri boy]

Pics please:corn:
Especially any with Mark doing a :Oops:
so that we can:nya:
Then have to listen to his:violin:

[Padmei]

Aren't they still away till tommorow?

[Phreaky Phil]

Yea. Saw the lads on the Mt Damper Rd. They were heading back to Taumranui tonight and having another crack at the 42 tomorrow. I think they said there was a huge tree down on it but it was being cleared. Or something like that:confused:

[bart]

I rode with them for a few hours yesterday. Here's a few.

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[marks]

Pics please:corn:
Especially any with Mark doing a :Oops:
so that we can:nya:
Then have to listen to his:violin:

Bitch

I stayed upright the whole time - so there :yes:

[Eddieb]

Bitch

I stayed upright the whole time - so there :yes:

Pics or it didn't happen.

[Box'a'bits]

Ride report is over here (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=612774&page=15)

Photo courtesy of Bart

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_OZDusBNIgW4/TPNigOqyuLI/AAAAAAAAFQc/DaNggZ0Lcf4/s800/Barts%20Photo%20101127%20%2042nd.jpg

[GPS MAN]

Looks like you guys had fun....that's what it is all about:yes:

I would like to get over and do the tunnel's ...that looked awesome:woohoo:

Next time...work got in the way this adventure:angry:

Hope you got the GS fixed !!!:shit:

[Waihou Thumper]

Ride report is over here (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=612774&page=15)

Photo courtesy of Bart

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_OZDusBNIgW4/TPNigOqyuLI/AAAAAAAAFQc/DaNggZ0Lcf4/s800/Barts%20Photo%20101127%20%2042nd.jpg

Good Photo there.....Nicely done and composed....:)

[Taz]

Ride report is over here (http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=612774&page=15)

Photo courtesy of Bart

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_OZDusBNIgW4/TPNigOqyuLI/AAAAAAAAFQc/DaNggZ0Lcf4/s800/Barts%20Photo%20101127%20%2042nd.jpg

Nice pic Steve. Where's my parts book :angry:

[bart]

http://i990.photobucket.com/albums/af29/bart-nz/misc/IMG_9152600.jpg

[marks]

Great photos Bart

was a great pity you couldn't stay for the weekend.

great ride report Steve - I'm redundant now....

[Box'a'bits]

Nice pic Steve. Where's my parts book :crybaby:
Um...I'm guessing still on my desk??? :wait:


great ride report Steve - I'm redundant now....
Surely you'll want to write your ride report for the sake of completeness. Besides, I want to rape & pillage your photos....

[bart]

Great photos Bart

was a great pity you couldn't stay for the weekend.

great ride report Steve - I'm redundant now....

Cheers. I would've liked to have carried on with you guys, but was glad to blow out some cobwebs and get out for a day ride anyway.